Is there any place on this forum that discusses the merits of various poker books?
The one in particular is Lou Krieger's " Winning at low limit Hold 'em". I have read Sklansky and Malmuth's books. Should I purchase Krieger's book?
Winning Low Limit Holdem was written by Lee Jones not Lou Krieger. Not sure which book you mean. I don't have any of them so otherwise cannot comment.
thank god not every poker playing fool is a right wing brown shirt. ray springfield ipds 877-375-4448
Otherwise the games would be too tough. Good point.
What a bunch of inefficient self-serving boobs!
In case this slipped under the radar, (saw one 30-second sound byte on CNN) we had our national election here Monday. Did the ballots the old-fashioned way - go into the booth, mark your X, and stuff the ballot into the box. Polling stations closed at 7:30 p.m. local time across the nation, total of about 13 million ballots. All hand-counted, and can you believe it took these clowns almost 4 HOURS to add 'em all up, send 300 some-odd new Members of Parliament off to Ottawa, and re-new King Chretien for another term as Prime Minister? When can we get those punch cards up here?
Where is Canadian located? It sounds sort of British. Is it one of those semi-countries like Scotland?
Look up the War of 1812; it explains things fairly clearly. See you in Vegas, perhaps. Will be there Dec 3-10. Someone point out Abdul please.
I'm in the Los Angeles area and have never met Abdul. If you see a Slovenian followed by a sheep at the Bellagio, that would be Izmet (whom I have met). He might be able to point out Abdul. If you see Mason, I wouldn't bring up Abdul ;-).
Mock us if you will, Election-Boy, but at least we can decide quickly on which interchangeable, lackey buffoons we want in power. Seriously, if y'all aren't embaressed by now, you should be. In fact, I called my friend Tom in LA yesterday; the fellow I stayed with when I was down there in October. I introduced him to you at HG. He's got dual US-Canadian citizenship, but these days he's in denial about the US part.
I hope you get this all resolved soon. Two words. President Thurmond.
Sadly though (for us second generation Quebecois-Americans with romantic notions of ethnic nationhood), Bloc Quebecois did rather poorly, actually getting outvoted by the Liberals!
This lack of support makes it look like no new referendum for awhile. Probably the most significant result of the election.
In a recently announced message by the Clinton Administration it was declared that both Halloween and Thanksgiving have been cancelled for all federal employees beginning in 2001.
The witch is moving to New York and she is taking the turkey with her.
Hey don't insult witches by associating Hillary with them!
What is your basis for saying that Bush is a moron? I think a moron technically has and IQ of less than 90. I read that Bush scored in the 1200 range on his SATs, which would rank in the uppper quartile. He also graduated from Yale with better grades than Algore graduated from Harvard. He also graduated from Harvard Business School while Gore flunked out o Divinity school and couldn't finish law school.
Maybe you read it in the New York Times.
Or maybe you heard it from one of his former colleagues at the Houston Astros.
And caould you please explain how Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris are "stealing" the election. Jeb Bush isn't involved and Katherine Harris is applying the law, which is her right and obligation as an official of Florida's executive branch that was elected with over 3 million votes by the people of Florida. That is how a representative democracy works.
If anybody is stealing, it is Algore who is trying to find activist, unelected judges, or biased vote diviners to override the rules of the election that were determined by the legislature.
And his crony David Boies, who committed a fraud on the court and the canvassing board's by misrepresenting the precedent case from Illinois.
Do some homework, you moron, before missstating facts and calling other people morons. Pot kettle black.
Michael, you are so misinformed my only hope is that you are young and very impressionable. If you think that SAT of 1200 combined is Presidential, then please think again. Certainly GW is not a moron in the real defined sense. He is simply average. Do you want your President to be average? Cheney is head and shoulders more qualified as was Mc Cain, and most of the upper echelon GOP members of Congres.
Bush did not even listen to the Supreme Court 90 minute hearings. I am sure Cheney and almost all other informed qualified GOP'ers listened. Bush is a frat boy, nothing more/nothing less.
I scored perfect score on my SAT in 1964. I was a merit scholar at an East coast Ivy League school. I attended graduate school and graduated 3rd in my class. I have a Ph.D. and an MBA. I served in the US Army in Vietnam as an officer in a howitzer batillion. I was in the shit. Under no circumstances would I ever consider myself knowledgable enough to be a presidential candidate. George Bush is a dope. I do however believe that the president should be a Republican, but GW?
I'm not young enough or impressionable enough to let YOU determine for me who is qualified or unqualifed to be President, despite your impressive credentials.
The Constitutional requirements for being President are, I believe, are being American-born, and 35 years old.
Not to mention that Algore is an alarmingly dishonest, ambitious, technocratic, awkward, sancitmonious, tin-eared, race-baiting, fear-mongering career politician. He combines the worst elements of Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon and seeks to govern by appealing to the worst in the American people. If Dick Cheney, John McCain or Tovar the 8th were running against them and run the election (as Bush did), they would have my full support. They didn't, and thus, don't. Democracy ain't perfect but it's the best thing we've got.
p.s. I couldn't support McCain in light of his democrat-style class warfare against an equitable tax code and the campaign finance reform bug up his ass. That would have only served to increase the power of the trial lawyer, union, and government worker's lobbies which are already exerting too much power over our political process.
"I'm not young enough or impressionable enough to let YOU determine for me who is qualified or unqualifed to be President, despite your impressive credentials."
As you say, fine, but do you really think George W Bush is educationally qualified? He got into Yale based only on his father's position and money. He got into Harvard's business school with mediocore grades and barely made it through. I think the answer to the final he took in the Stock market course was "Buy low - sell high." He could not get into his own state's law school, not even the easy one. He did not join the military when the heat was on. He hid in the Air National Guard and, as I have read, he even too a 1 yr leave. I did some time in the Guard after the real Army. Boy, the Guard is dangerous! On one of those 2 week summer camps where I was allowed to drive POV (personally owned vehicle), I dorpped a case of beer on my foot. That really hurt. On the middle weekend, I once got hit by a stripper's g-string. Yes, the NG is a tough hitch.
Bush is a joke. You will see. He is my President though and I will support him to the fullest.
BTY, Michael, you are a teenager or slightly older, yes?
I'm through with this thread. I don't need to justify why I think Bush is qualified to be President. There are no educational qualifications in my book. In some ways, I consider education and D.C. experience a negative. Although law school is obviously a plus for legisaltors, there are plenty of lawyers on the hill.
No, I am not a teenager. I'll spare you my whole resume, but I graduated from Montana State with an Industrial Engineering degree in 1989. I graduated as a Baker Scholar (top 5%) and John Loeb Scholar (top 2 students with finance concentration) from Harvard Business School in 1994. I am 32 years old and work at one of Wall Street's top M&A advisory firms. I am also one of the top 1% earners that are going to "take a disproportionate share" of Bush's tax cut. I, like GW, think it is outrageous that I (or anyone else) have to pay more than 33% in federal income taxes.
p.s. I finished in the money in my first WSOP event (2000 PLH) and have been a consistent winner in ring games for the past three years, mainly playing pot limit and no limit in New York City with some of the toughest smallish stakes players in the country.
I have never been in the military, but I also don't consider that a Presidential requirement.
Reagan is widely considered to be an excellent president and his academic credentials were ordinary at best.
Excellent president? he was an actor who was acting as President. His party ran the show. Don't think for a second he really had very much to do with policy. He acted as a great president and got away with. I loved him, but really a great president?
I think I said generally regarded as a great president. I do think that Reagan deserves a lot of credit for bringing an end to the cold war by standing up to the Soviets. I believe this was his greatest legacy.
I know this was a satirical line, but please stop sullying one of the purest forms of enjoyment I have left :D
Besides, if Bush had any thing to do with the 'stros, I think he'd fork over the bucks so that we could keep all these good pitchers and outfielders we develop.
Ah, thanks krister. That's a relief. But when they get this far to the right we are duty bound to keep them going in an effort to break the record of rightness.
john cool f.
a hell of a name. almost as good as heracles rockefeller.
one more thing, johnny. i understand keeping your email secret from the unwashed plebians, but dont you realize that anyone could guess your address in at most ten tries? any old clown right of the street could find you in no time at all. you need to cover your tracks better. i mean, really! johnfeeney@***edited to protect the mostly innocent***.com! you should at least write your name in some easy code like kpiogffofz. and any third grader can crack that one.
John never used to keep his email secret, but he wrote a book, so now I'm sure he gets too many questions to answer.
I have a question: my middle name is Wheaton. Is my full name as cool as John Cool Feeney or do I need to change it to John Cool Cole. You can let Alex answer that one if you'd like because I never understand his responses.
the amazing thing is alex usually doesn't understand what he's saying either.
your name aight. but you should change it to diomedes the great cole. that is even cooler than john cool feeney.
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my name is scott. i am the smartest man alive. bow before my awesome powers.
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scott the safranek
...ckhiu, cwu uigsg't qog qsqcmgn. Tqng wqxgmt coe dqotqocout xkmm ticsg uig tcng mguugs, gi?
That key doesn't work for the previous post. And I ain't a gonna go a countin' back & forth NO MO! Aight? Grrr.
J. Cool F.
I am new to this sight and don't know if this has been asked recently, but what are the best poker movies of all times??
First, one of the greatest poker movies is the Cinncinnati Kid with Steve McQueen. Regarding Rounders, (do not read the rest of this if you have not seen the movie) which I like very much, I do think the final hand/ending was out of whack and i would like others to comment. On the hand that Matt Damon finally busts Teddy KGB, he is dealt 8-9 suited. The flop come 6,7, 10 rainbow. KGB bets and Damon calls. KGB then makes the comment that he (Damon) is on a draw. The turn is a deuce, the river an Ace-no flush. Damon checks the turn, calls KGB's bet, then checks the river. KGB goes all in and Damon of course calls with the nut straight. My questions is, what draw could KGB think Damon is on? 4-5???? If KGB thought it was 4-5, wouldnt he wonder, if the 8 came, how Damon would feel about his hand then? This whole scenario did not seem real to me given the cards and KGB thinking he was on a draw.
Well, if I was a betting man --(great Scott! what am I *saying*?) my money would be on "A Big Hand For The Little Lady. The entire second half of the movie centers around ONE poker hand. They still rerun it every so often on TBS or TNT, usually post-midnight or the occasional Sunday afternoon.
In no order:
There just aren't many to choose from.
#1-Rounders (minus "Worm") #2-Cincinnati Kid #3-The Sting
OK but I don't think the sting was about poker - it was about gambling and I liked it a lot - like Cool hand Luke and a few other great ones there are poker scenes but there are very few "POKER" movies to choose from.
Far as I know Rounders was the only movie to mention yet focus on Texas Hold'em - my game of choice.
I just recently saw The Cincinnatti Kid and thought it was incredible. That is what motivated me to start this thread. I have seen Rounders as well and am looking for any other good poker movies to watch. Thanks for the advice guys!
Last night at the poker table, I realized that it didn't matter how I did; it was my lucky day. I have a new grandson, born yesterday, and baby and mom are doing fine. I have one daughter, and she has 2 children now, a four-year-old daughter and the newborn son. His name will be Harlan Gebhart, with the middle name TBD. I have suggested "Davidson" but my daughter's not enthused.
We all need to count our blessings; near enough to Thanksgiving.
For those who must know, I finished dead even in my poker session.
Hmmm... Vincent. That's a great name. Now why didn't you think of that. It means invincible.
In motorcycles Vincent was the greatest name ever. In production in 1946, the three Vincent variants (Shadow, Prince and Lightning) were capable of top ends of 130 MPH+. Overpowered by their Vickers twin and underpriced by their manufacturer they are now legends.
"they are now legends. "
Aren't we all! (In our own minds that is)
I'm not so sure if there are things that could possibly be more important than poker. Anyway, congratulations Gramps.
Congrats DIck all the best to the family.
BTW - Michael is a great name - :-)
Congratulations! I guess there are a few things in this world more important then poker:-)
ajax. heracles. zarathustra. diomedes. raskolnikov. jimi. the great (as in harlan the great gebhart). blank. jet. the. major major.
Congratulations! At the end, when one reflects on their life, hopefully family,friends and other activities will be more meaningful than poker.
Okay, maybe that's a little more important than poker. ;) Now, for that name, how 'bout a western sounding one like Zane, Wyatt, or Paladin? Or, finally, one in the scott style -- Slick Jett.
Congrats! With the name you mentioned, grandson is headed towards Speaker of the House or Supreme Court Justice. If this alarms you, then go with Ajax and he may have a career as a circus strong man!
Thx guys - I'll relay the suggestions.
Congrats Grandpa, My #3 daughter had my first grandson on 11-22-00. I got to see him born, it was greater than a winning hand in poker!
SPM, ...still in a state of awe ...
The final answer was Harlan Lawrence Gebhart.
The source is me! Lawrence is MY middle name, so I'm very pleased.
Thanks again, Vince, Mike, scott, et al for the suggestions.
It would certainly help the quality of threads that involve calculating odds w/more than one card.
Perhaps Caro will license you a 'public' version that only has HE, Stud and Omaha.
There are some shareware programs out there.
I believe you may have made some fairly serious errors in the "Caro" thread.
Due to the nature of that thread, would you prefer that I e-mail you my comments rather than start a thread here?
Our advertisers don't pay me for the number of e-mails I get.
You get paid for this! Where's my kickback, you, you capatilist.
Do your advertisers get dropped for nonpayment or are there other reasons?
Sucky content seems to be the reason for a famous recent example.
Even more recent than that.
So do they pay you when you respond or just how many hits this page gets. How does this all work?
I'll make it 3-1 they don't pay per the number of characters in David's responses.
Also...is deleting posts a -EV move?
I'm hearing alot about the poker in the Tunica casinos, and am thinking about giving it a try. Any comments/suggestions about any of the casinos? I've also heard that one of them offers room comps to poker players, and wonder which one it is. Thanks for any info.
Expanding a little on Earl's one word answer---
Hollywood and Sams will give you a free room with several hours play in their cardroom. Call the poker room in advance to confirm details. Be prepared for all low limit games (1-5, 3-6, 4-8) limited game selection, and sometimes no game at all.
Ballys advertises poker room rates and has moved their poker room to a better location. I have not stayed there and the only game I have ever seen there is one table of 1-5 stud.
Grand has had great poker room rates of $25. This may be increasing to $35 on weekends. Excellent physical property, beautiful casino, shuttle from hotel to casino is fine, good selection of poker games and limits.
Gold Strike has a poker rate, but its higher than the Horseshoe--figure that one out. Nice rooms and casino. Poker room is great fun after midnight---and its next door to the Horseshoe.
Horseshoe is IT! (Like Earl said) $25 weekday, $35 weekend. Best poker action --multiple games at multiple limits.
Also note---most of the poker rooms will generously comp all meals too.
Check the 2+2 archives: Diane from Green Bay and I have written some previous glowing recommendations and recent trip reports on Tunica.
my pipe. my knife.
There budget for throwdowns must be limited.
I guess you got back your yet to be published auto biography entitled, "I'm quite a smart guy whose self-destructive tendencies will surely be my ruin and dammit I don't see a comparison between me and Daryl Strawberry at all."
i heard that robert downey jr is now spelling his name without caps.
chapters include ecce homo style "why i am so great" "why i am so clever" etc alternated with "how i waste my gifts" "how i waste my opportunities" "how i avoid success" "how i ensure an early unheralded death" and "my guide to intemperence"
actually i wasn't even charged with anything. i was just a suspicious character who couldn't pull off obsequious. i even tried.
maybe we should organize a protest march for all dope smoking, knife wielding individuals...
I'm tired of scott using this forum as some way to impress upon us that he's cool or something. Give me a f@#king break. We all knew guys like scott when we were in school. He was the guy we picked on and made fun of when he tried to fit in. These lame attempts of him trying to prove he's some sort of rebel and does soft core drugs are pathetic. Nobody is impressed.
i've missed you. how have you been?
I've been busy, pumping gas for a living is tough work. Besides that things have been good. Finally paid off the trailer and my plot at the trailer park, so its all mine. The wifes pregnant again (our 3rd, her 7th and my 5th) Busy buying all the little ones x-mas gifts. WWF stuff for the boys and barbie for the girls.
How have you been.
i've been ok. it's hard to concentrate on my studies with everyone laughing at me. but at least girls have to talk to me to make fun of me. that's a step in the right direction. my car, an 88 olds, has big transmissions problems that i cant afford to fix. so my new top speed is 30 mph. but i can still live in there after i graduate or otherwise leave school. i am planning on sticking with this whole poker thing and so i got to have somewhere to sleep. we both know i cant find some girl to shack up with!
mazel tov on your coming bundle of joy. have you thought about possible names? i think "the incredible" is a good first and middle name. it worked well for hulk. and the edible egg.
Darryl Strawberry? C'mon. scott's WAY to cool to compare himself with a 'baseball player'. Hell, even Kerouac (a former Columbia student, BTW) is too blase for a hipster like scott... he'd rather hang out in his room with his buddies, toke on the one hitter and watch "The Ice Storm" on a DVD, making occasional wisecracks when the film turns sentimental.
When I was in b-school, the Cambridge police kept my boots as "evidence" after me and some buddies got into a barroom scrap. I got them back after the charges were dismissed.
They should give back your knife unless it was illegal.
What was it, a gang of maurading Harvard finance students? Did everyone wear crimson headbands? :)
Sorry, Michael, I just had to ask...
Someone stole my coat. No man takes what's mine.
Guess I won't be stealing your blind any time soon.
i hope it was summer time. did they mail the boots to you? it happened in phillidelphia, so i am not too keen on picking my stuff up. the knife is legal and the pipe would be too if it didn't have resin in it.
Marijuana remains illegal (among other indefensible reasons) to provide a pretense for the state to crush individual dissidents. The dissident didn't actually have any connection with contraban? No problem; any qualified police organization has teams of professional perjurers ready to say anything.
Those of you who own this book...what do you think it's value is? I'm looking to sell an extra copy, but don't know what to ask...any help?
If Alan Wilson would update and rerelease he could get $49.95.
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No my answers are not posted here, look for your questions, my answers will follow your questions.
SPM, ...in search of a test...
ack! okay Chuck..please ignore this response.
Any2card Town, has a large population, and their playing styles are rough and ready. You will see our people in many more hands than the average Rock form the Valley of Patience. Their chips will rise and fall like the Roman Empire. Sometimes they win and many times they lose. But who among the Hold'em community can say they never lose.
Let me introduce you to some of the playing styles of the Any2card community.
The Tilt Rock,
This player tries to play like a member of the Valley of Patience (VoP), but the moment he gets a bad beat, then the style changes, to the revenge of the Rock. He will play any 2 just to punish the players for beating his big hand. After losing a couple more stacks he will try to get back to playing VoP hands, but once you cross that VoP line, it's to late, all the hands look good.
The Action Junkie,
Any2willdo, he just likes the sound of chips going into the pot. Once he sees the flop he looks for reasons to stay with the hand. All small cards hit the flop, the raiser can't have any of that, so he raises the pre-flop raiser. When re-raised he calls to the river with his any2, and beats the over aggressive raisers and loses to the pocket Aces he was sure the raiser didn't have. His stacks raise and fall like the... (Warning this style can be dangerous to you stacks)
The Calling Station,
Still waiting for a call to the winners circle.
The Seat Jumper,
This player knows it's not the cards that win the hand but the seat that's hot that wins the most. This jumper will change seats until he finds the winning seat. When he finds the seat that's hot he takes no prisoners. When he can't find the right seat it's the dealers fault.
The River Masters,
A mild mannered player who will hit the river when ever your in the hand, you can't put him on a hand until the river. He never lead bets, only calls until the river, then he sinks your ship and you see the error of your ways.
The Viagra Man,
He raises all the time. He is a destroyer of chips. You love him when you win a big one, but when your running bad he's got you by the...
The Out of Towner,
This player never wins when playing in his home town game. He always wins, when out of town.
The Fur Trapers,
They will always check the nuts, and raise when you get foolish and bet with your monster pair.
I am the Mayor of Any2card Town, but I get no respect.
SPM, ...beaten senseless by his constituency...
Mayor, it surprises me that you have anytime to play Poker, given the huge population of Any2card Town. I play thousands of miles away, but I come across your citizens regularly. When one of them brought down my AcKc with his 8h5h, he announced that he had "had a feeling" before the flop.
Do you think your friend BF Skinner has been helping some of your citizens get in touch with their feelings?
We have many out of town players as the post suggested. Becareful they always win.
Getting in touch with your feelings is the religion of Any3card Town. When members of our community get into the feeling zone. It might be time to call it a night.
SPM,...Dominic go frisk em...:>)
Did you forget to include 'The Salmon King'?
He treats cards like spawning salmon. "I played J4o (hitting 2 pair, of course), because 4's have been running."
How do you explain the J...?
SPM, ...It was suited, show me a real play like raising with Jack Benny...
Nothing like a calm discussion on racial matters to generate some thread length.
There has been some quasi-gibberish posted by David in the "race card" thread on RGP about this year's Oly 200m event being won by a "white man".
The in-depth article was in the 9/29 issue of USA Today, no link, go to your local library.
The upshot is that the Greek runner ran a personal best, but it was the slowest winning time in years. Why? Michael Johnson and Maurice Greene didn't enter/qualify and the two (black)American favorites, among others, hesitated at the beginning, expecting a false start to be called.
The Greek's previous best intern'tl finish? Sixth.
Are Mediterranean people Caucasian, in the same sense as Scandinavians, or are they a distinct ethnic group? So Turks and Swedes are exactly alike and completely different from Nigerians and Jamaicans(who are exactly alike). Whatever, Med'tnns are hellacious weightlifters.
There was also a post in that thread that said something about Asians scoring the highest on SAT tests. David replied, "including Jews"? Now as I live in Utah, I can tell you that succeeding generations of a religious group can develop distinct physical traits, BUT, my hazy recollection of "Mein Kampf"(I smoked more dope than scott while in college, but was less heavily armed) is that Hitler said that the "great lie" of Jews was their claim to be only a religious, not ethnic group.
David also said in that thread that Pakistanis and Russians can be considered Asian. I've never thought of Anna Kournikova as being the secret identity of "HotChineseF" from RGP, but who knows? David probably meant certain parts of the former Soviet Union.
As for Pakistan and India, I believe their nations are part of a 'subcontinent'; the prefix "sub" more accurately referring to subsumed(due to tectonics) rather than subgroup of Asia. SKP would likely be more qualified than I on this matter.
Interesting trivia: A Soviet grandmaster once said that Kasparov was a better player than Petrosian due to being half Jewish/half Armenian, while P was full Armenian.
Quiz #1: Kasparov's parents are Jewish and Armenian, he was born in Azerbaijan, and he chooses(in the past, at least) to play under the Russian flag. 'What' is he?
Quiz #2: Discuss the differences btwn the terms ethnicity, nationality, and culture.
Quiz #3: Identify the golf commentator who said, "I knew that Tiger would physically mature late because of his Asian blood."
Answer #1 - The greatest chess player of all time.
Answer #2 - None begins with "n" and all has no "y".
Answer #3 - Lt. Col.(Army, Ret.) Earl Woods.
d. Because the doctor was a woman.
Though the Greek guy got lucky in the 200m, I believe his top speed is in the top then in the world, or at least was that day. (By the way, a Greek woman finished second to Marion Jones in the Olympic hundred, if I am not mistaken.) The original post said no white person was in the top ten.
Asians in this country score higher than whites, I'm told, on the SAT. Of course this is a biased sample of Asians since the fact that they are here tends to indicate, for various reasons, that they are above average in intelligence. In spite of this bias, I am guessing that the average score of people of Jewish heritage is higher than Asians. (I am also guessing that in spite of the fact that advanced degrees in technical fields including medicine and law , are granted to Asians in much greater proportion to their numbers, this too is topped by Jews. I would expect someone could find the statistics to verify or falsify this.)
In spite of the fact that I used the term "Asian" above,I agree that "Oriental" is more accurate. Since there are countries in Asia populated by non-orientals, it is misleading to use the term "Asian" if the speaker does not want those other people included.
Correct about the Greek woman. I've never thought about this before, but the same 'type' of muscle(fast twitch) is needed for success in sprinting and Oly weightlifting.
So why are people of African descent so successful at sprinting but not Oly wtlftng, and Mediterraneans vice-versa?
Probably a combo of trunk-limb proportions and cultural biases.
Of course, one of the greatest wtlfters of all time is a black American, John Davis(undefeated from '38-'51), so there you go.
"I am guessing that the average score of people of Jewish heritage is higher than Asians. I am also guessing that in spite of the fact that advanced degrees in technical fields including medicine and law , are granted to Asians in much greater proportion to their numbers, this too is topped by Jews"
Zieg Heil! Mein fuhrer. Ve shall put an end to this bias in the next reich! They vill all learn of the supremity of the non-ethnic!
"Asians in this country score higher than whites, I'm told, on the SAT. Of course this is a biased sample of Asians since the fact that they are here tends to indicate, for various reasons, that they are above average in intelligence. In spite of this bias, I am guessing that the average score of people of Jewish heritage is higher than Asians. (I am also guessing that in spite of the fact that advanced degrees in technical fields including medicine and law , are granted to Asians in much greater proportion to their numbers, this too is topped by Jews. I would expect someone could find the statistics to verify or falsify this.)"
A large percentage of Indian and Chinese immigrants to the US are given visas specifically because of their technical skills. By contrast, other immigrant groups are much more likely to get in through family reunification or through asylum/refugee status.
Third-generation Asian-Americans do substantially worse than new Asian immigrants academically. Immigrants from the Caribbean score higher and earn more than native-born blacks, but do worse with each succeeding generation. The highest scoring group in England is that country's small African community.
In terms of average scores and technical degrees, I would guess that Indians top Jews and East Asians.
But law is different than other technical fields - while Jews are 20% of all US lawyers IIRC, Asians don't become lawyers vastly out of proportion to their percentage of the population.
Many have lamented that medicine, (corporate) law, investment banking, and management consulting are by far the dominant career choices of Ivy Leaguers. New immigrants and foreign students at top schools are much more likely to pursue science or engineering than US-born students are.
Boy all this immigration talk. All I can say is thank god for the Mafia or they wouldn't have let any of us Italians in except fo maybe Leonardo. He was the only Italian I know that could even spell SAT let alone fill in the blanks. Gee, some people have all the luck. If I were only born, Indian or Asian or Jewish or, no Nebiolo not Italian, or...
"I've never thought of Anna Kournikova as being the secret identity of "HotChineseF" from RGP"
what an idiot i am, i thought that stood for "hot chinese food".
A few things.
1) "race" is a meaningless concept outside of a debate on the social implications of various terms and groupings. The only thing "blacks" have in common is a history of oppression based on Europeans deciding that they should all be in the same group. Anthropologists have dropped race as a meaningful term and it cannot be determined at the genetic level.
2) At the genetic level, we find most of the world's variation in Africa. In fact, if you were to make "race" a category based on genetic similarity, what we think of as "black" Africa would be divided into about six different groups and the rest of the world would make up one group.
This is most likely because human beings originated in Africa and have been there a lot longer than the rest of the world which was populated by one group that made it out and then spread across the world. So yes, Eskimos, Englishmen and Australian Aboriginese for example are more closely related to one another than are, say, East and West Africans.
3) One theory relating to athletic achievement is that because Africa is the seat of humanity and humans have lived there much longer, they have produced a much more varied gene pool than in the rest of the world. There is far more variation in Africa than the rest of the world (combined). While this doesn't mean that the average of any particular group will be more endowed physically or otherwise, it means the tails of the curves of population groups are fatter and the outliers produced will be more endowed than the outliers of non-African groups. We could presume then, that given the right education facilities, Africa should produce a disproportionate number of geniuses.
4) Regarding sprinting. People of West African descent have the top 200 times ever produced in the 100m. They have 497 of the top 500 times (and all times below 10.00). They have none of the top 500 times for distance races. This genetic group is clearly more likely to produce good sprinters than other groups. Olympic medals are not too indicative of how populations compare since the number of data are too few and there are so many externalities when you deal with one competition. Kendaris has never even broken 20.00s in the 200m, something achieved routinely in the NCAA meet (and something that "white" American Kevin Little has achieved).
5) Jon Etine's book, "Taboo" discusses the effects of genetic variation on sport in some detail and may be of interest to some of you.
"2) At the genetic level, we find most of the world's variation in Africa. In fact, if you were to make "race" a category based on genetic similarity, what we think of as "black" Africa would be divided into about six different groups and the rest of the world would make up one group.
This is most likely because human beings originated in Africa and have been there a lot longer than the rest of the world which was populated by one group that made it out and then spread across the world. So yes, Eskimos, Englishmen and Australian Aboriginese for example are more closely related to one another than are, say, East and West Africans. "
I had read this before. The Bismarck(?) Conference that divided up Africa colonially and arbitrarily, thus throwing ancient enemies together, was a ghastly horror, and the tragic effects are very evident to this day.
One might also theorize about the different African genetic groups being intermingled due to slavery in America having some kind of 'hybrid vigor' effect.
The lack of educational opportunities in Africa and education's relative social unimportance in significant parts of American black communities, are atrocities, as is the govt's pandering and patronization of said communities, but that's another thread.
Keep in mind everyone that all this stuff is highly overmagnified because we are talking about the extreme tails of the bell curve. So for instance, if the average 100 yard dash time of a black guy is 12.7 with an SD of .9 and for a white guy it is 12.9 with the same SD, that would mean that the vast majority of the top 1000 times would be by black men, yet 45% or so of white guys could beat the average black guy.
What I just wrote is extremely important so read it again.
Is that 1 black guy or lots of black guys? Do you think I seemed to have missed the importance of what you wrote?
i have two comments. one is that the distribution is certainly not normal because enviormental factors are hugely skewed. given your (i assmure arbitrary but it doesnt matter) numbers no amount of training, nutrition or other factors could get someone 4 std dev below the mean. but one accident could easily put someone 20 std dev above it.
the other is that a portion of the effect you mention should be offset by the population disparity, at least in the united states.
You are getting too technical Scott. The key point here is that if one group does only slightly better on average than another group in some endeavor (which means almost half the second group could beat the average guy from the first), that slight difference is vastly exaggerated when you look only at the world's best in the field.
"Quiz #1: Kasparov's parents are Jewish and Armenian, he was born in Azerbaijan, and he chooses(in the past, at least) to play under the Russian flag. 'What' is he?"
An average human being. As far as bloodlines and ethnic origins are concerned, the huge majority of this planet's inhabitants are bastards.
Side note: All the royal families, which take care to inbreed, chronically suffer from diseases and demonstrate symptoms of mental incapacitation, of varying degree. The hemophilia of the last Russian Czarevich is such an example. The British royal nincompoomps is another, living one.
"Quiz #2: Discuss the differences btwn the terms ethnicity, nationality, and culture."
Ethnicity is how I define my bloodline roots. Where I come from and in which group do I belong, as defined by common customs, language and culture.
Nationality refers to the nation to which I pledge allegiance, either obligatoritly as a citizen or voluntarily as personal preference - and irrespective of ethnicity. Example: an ethnic Gypsy considers himself of turkish nationality; an ethnic Serb living in Kosovo considers himself of Yugoslavian nationality.
Culture (get my gun!) is loosely defined as the common concepts, ideas, civilization traits and social attitudes held by an ethnic group or by any other group of people, large enough to be definable. There's the culture of Armenians, living in France; culture of the Mississippi Delta inhabitants; culture of South Albanians (Toskas); culture of the ex-Ottoman Balkan peoples, in general; etc. Cultures mostly overlap (except in extreme & isolated cases). A person living in Prague gets Western culture, Mittel Europa culture and possibly also Jewish culture.
"Quiz #3: Identify the golf commentator who said, "I knew that Tiger would physically mature late because of his Asian blood." "
That's a no-brainer.
. . . and explain what I've missed and why, sir.
Although Earl Woods is prone to semi-hysteria when discussing Tiger, everything he's predicted so far HAS come true.
Tiger's been a pro for about 4.5 years now, and people were ready to have Earl committed when he said Tiger would shortly become as dominant as he now is.
Tiger's margins in the world rankings, money lists, scoring average, and at Pebble Beach and St. Andrews are unprecedented in any sport, 'cept maybe by Secretariat... :)
I happen to agree with everything I've ever read Earl say about raising children. Whatever else, the man ain't an idiot.
As for Tiger's physical maturation, compare photos of him at the '97 Masters and at any tourney this year. The changes are not just from simply starting to lift weights(a subject on which Sklansky, among others, could tell you I'm quite familiar with..[inside joke]).
Asian blood or Shmasian blood, Tiger's a late bloomer. Kinda scary to think he'll be turning 25 in a couple weeks.
Your discussion of nationality is a little off. What you have described is a civic form of nationalism where the nation is defined by the state and membership in the nation is based on alliegence to that state and the nation it represents.
This is not true for all nations. Many nations are ethnically based. For example, I can never become a German citizen, I cannot join the German nation. Why? I have no German blood.
Nationality in Germany is based on ethnicity, there are third generation Turks in Germany who grew up there, speak only German, go to German schools, only know German culture, who can never vote, be citizens, or accepted into the German nation. On the other hand, Russian Germans who are from families that have not resided in Germany in centuries, know only Russian history, language and culture can become citizens of Germany because they are considered members of the German nation due to their ethnicity.
It is also more complicated than self-identification. While there may be some Gypsies who consider themself Turkish. There are very few Turks who would consider them to be so.
Sadly, most of the world still holds some attachment to ethnic nationalisms.
I have no disagreement with the contents of your post. The meaning of the word nation is more unclear than nationalism. Your examples of the status of German citizenship is very apt: the way they legally define German nationality is vastly different than what goes on in other European countries and, even, the U.S.
You're also correct is pointing out that one person's self-identification as far as nationality goes, differs from another's. Again, the Turkish-Gypsy example is apt.
Thanks for adding to the issue, which, you will admit, is a fluid and dynamic one.
In your last phrase you express sadness that people across the world still hold on to the notion of ethnic nationality. I would slightly amend that and claim that more and more people cling on to this notion, as we can readily witness in the media. Ethnic nationalism begets intolerance. And tolerance is not in vogue.
There have been some discussions about several controversial subjects lately. I was wondering what people thought about same sex marriages being sanctioned by state governments. I got into a major, heated discussion with my step daughter and my wife about this topic. I was taking the position that it more or less tainted the traditional institution of marriage but they both disagreed vehemently. I brought up legal considerations regarding community property, alimony, health benifits, etc. but they seemed to think that there really wasn't a problem. They've kind of convinced me that it's ok and I do know a gay couple that have been together for 20+ years. Does anybody have any opinions on this?
you sound like a convert to sanity. You better watch out for the thought police.
I see not point in same sex marriages, but I do think that partners who have co-habitated together for a certain amount of time (I do not know how long is enough) should be afforded the same rights as a married couple with respect to tax laws, health care and other similar things.
I do not find it particularily good to have "2 daddies or 2 mommies". I think both genders fulfill different social needs for children. I Think it is desirable to have a male and a female as parents, but I would not be vehemently against same sex partners having a child. Kinda weird though.
I see not point in same sex marriages, but I do think that partners who have co-habitated together for a certain amount of time (I do not know how long is enough) should be afforded the same rights as a married couple with respect to tax laws, health care and other similar things.
I do not find it particularily good to have "2 daddies or 2 mommies". I think both genders fulfill different social needs for children. I Think it is desirable to have a male and a female as parents, but I would not be vehemently against same sex partners having a child. Kinda weird though.
It matters not to me who else gets married to whom.
I would think that having same sex parents would tend to be somewhat detrimental to children, however. Of course, there are other things that would potentially be more so.
I agree, two parents, one of each sex. As a step parents of two girls the past 11 yrs, I believe I add something their mother could not provide alone.
I have no problem whatsoever with same sex marriage. I have never been convinced by anyone that anyone else getting married affects *their* marriage in the least. IMO, marriage is a personal contract entered into by two people who want to committ to each other. Who else in society also makes that committment does not have any bearing on the particular committment made by those 2 people.
The tradition of marriage argument is bunk IMO and has been overused by homophobes to attack homosexuals. Is the tradition of marriage ruined by the heterosexuals who beat their spouses, molest their children and cause most of the social damage to future generations?
If the government didn't endow certain rights* upon married couples (same sex or man/woman), this would not be an issue. Take the man's money, play by the man's rules. And in this country, the man is a complex, political, and generally irrational animal.
*rights- actually claims over the spouse, his/her employer, or the people in general such as the right to alimony, spousal health care coverage, etc.
Unfortunately for me, the only right I can point to getting through my marriage is the right for my wife's full salary to be taxed at the highest marginal rate even though she was in the lower brackets before we got married.
Marriage as an institution always reflects the values and attitudes of mainstream society and has changed over the years reflecting changes in society. The same could be said for the concept of the family. People adjust, and adjust quite well to changes over time. If homosexual marraige is made legal, people will deal with it and get on with their lives and eventually it will be accepted as normal. I have yet to hear an argument how homosexuality or homosexual marraiges hurt people other than those which appeal blindly to a higher moral authority.
Think of how interracial marraige was percieved 50 years ago. The oppositional arguments were pretty much the same as the arguments today against homosexual marraige; it just isn't natural, the kids will grow up all screwed up, it's not what God intended, people shouldn't have to live with it, see it or have their kids see it.
I see your point, but cannot see the parallel. There is a considerable difference between interracial and intergender.
From the basis of social taboo there isn't much. At one time there was just as much if not more resistance tot he idea of interracial marraige as there is today towards intragender marraige.
Homosexuality has played many roles in many cultures over the course of human history. We've gone through a very conservative period regarding it and now we seem to be entering a more liberal period. My point is that attitudes change and are always in flux. Hegemonic mores of the past should not dictate the future.
how do they feel about bigamy, polygamy, group marriage, and the like?
I know my wife is totally against all of them and I'm 95% sure my step daughter would be against all of them as well.
Some undeveloped ideas, but I haven't given this a ton of thought.
Polygamy v. same sex marriage -- a very apt analogy if the subject was whether homosexuals have a constitutional right to marry. I think it is clear that they do not. Just as a state has the power to not recognize (and make illegal) polygamous relationships between consenting adults they have the power not to recognize homosexual unions.
Tom has accurately identified the real issue on this subject -- whether the states should decide to make this a practice.
I think it is unwise. Marriage has undergone a large transformation in our society. A poster above stated that it is simply a contract between two people. However, that is overly simplistic. It is a state-sanctioned contract that creates benefits for those entering into that contract. The deciding factor is whether to extend marriage to homosexuals rests in why we provide married couples with the benefits that we do. It is for the stability and support of the nuclear family and the raising of children. With this as the underlying rationale there is no reason to extend marriage to homosexuals.
There are many reasons why marriage is falling apart in this country -- the biggest one being no-fault divorces. However, extending marriage and its attendant benefits to homosexuals is not healthy for the institution. If same sex couples are allowed to reap the benefits of marriage there is no principled basis for denying similar benefits to other couples who do not even "sign the contract". Given the ease from which the marriage contract is broken there is really no need to put people through this fiction -- only tradition.
The steps necessary to restore the marriage and the American family involve doing away with no-fault divorce and not applying the marital institution to any relationships to which the traditional rationale behind marriage doesn't support.
In my opinion, homosexuals already enter into life long commitments that very often involve shared property and are increasingly involving children as well. Therefore, I would argue that the state is obliged to extend the same support to them, in order to provide the same stability that it deems appropriate for straight couples.
I did say that marriage is a contract between two people, but I did so in the context of disputing the "tradition" of marriage argument. In the context of the argument for benefits, you are correct to include the state as a player. But, I would then say that the state is acting in a discriminatory manner if it provides stability to commitments based on the gender of those involved. Gay couples have it much harder because they cannot pay taxes together, get on each other's health plans, etc.. even though they may own a home together, have only one breadwinner and maybe even raise children together. Again, I fail to see how extending them these benefits is "unhealthy for the institution". I think it is unhealthy for society to make it harder for anyone to be committed to a mate and build a life together.
well as you probably know if someone is argue-ing something it is either because he
a) has certain assumptions and is working out the (best) answer (for example, analysing a chess position with someone).
b) he has a conclusion he has already reached and is looking for way(s) to justyify it ( for example, someone is trying to persuade you.)
now if someone agrees with a whole range of things on principle (homo and poly should be allowed for the same fundamental reasons, for example), then you really can't tell whether they're trying to persuade you by argument or not.
but, if they are internally inconsistent in a manner that belies point a) above (that is , homo marriage is a right between consenting adults, but polygymous marriage is well ..., not.(why? ... it just isn't!) ) then you must accept the fact that they are trying to persuade you of their point of view and the arguments they use are just tools.
having said that, i think this brings up the point of the deep conditioning all members of a group are under, and you have to ask, why do they feel this way about homosexuals? an obvious give away is that a deeply conditioned person will have strong emotional beliefs which cannot be rationally upheld.(well, they can be, but when those same set of rational arguments are made to a parallel case ( eg, polygamy is a parallel case for homo), then their whole rational system breaks down into a rationalization and they have to resort to emotional or irrational pleas.
what im trying to say is that there is a fair chance that these thoughts are not individual thoughts, per se, but rather cultural indoctrinations ( of a *new* culture, you see) and that this in no way should be taken as some sort of "progressive step toward a more intellectual way of living" or anything like that. it is rather quite simply a new moral value trying to gain ascendency.
as a thinking person then, it is probably more illuminating to reflect on the causes of this, rather than on arguments which are nothing more than rationalizations.
what i mean is that there are new moral values coming down the pike, and the impulse for their existence (that is, the conditioning of society to believe in them without question, without even being able to think of questioning them) has no relation to the rationalizations used to persuade the 'old guard' to let their children be fully conditionded (all 'real' values are learned in early childhood i would suppose).
so when i see something like this, first i use a tool to sort of dig into it ( here it was a parallel case, poly- and homo- ) so i can get 'under' it and realize that the subject is not what i thought it was, and then the hard part comes when you have to discern what exactly is going on.
"The American nation is more Dominant now than primitive American dreamers like Harry Truman & Richard Nixon ever imagined. We are Number One. Nobody argues. We have dollars, we have bombs & we have the Will to use them."
Hunter S. Thompson
I was talking with one of my constituents, he lives on a street that boarders The Valley of Patience and Any2card Town. They call it Standard Deviation Avenue (SDA).
He told me that the players on SDA were very un-happy about the taxes they pay for living on the boarder of Patience and Any2.
Sure, he agreed the benefit of living next to Patience was a gift of finacial rewards. The resale value presented opportunities. However, so much garbags is accumulate with Patience, all that eighty-sixing of those rags. You got to keep polishing the Patience side of the domicile.
I explained, it wasn't the high taxes that was at issue on SDA, it was all the speeding tickets the residents were getting. You can't play with the rags, I explained, the VoP Police have jurisdiction, and they have a no rag tolerance.
SPM,...Sometimes you just need to re-adjust your thinking...
SDA is a much longer and bumpier street than most people realize...
It's a war zone:)
SPM, ...watch for more adventures of SPM Mayor of Any2card Town...
I'll be staying in Santa Rosa for a week between Christmas and New Years. While as a first time visitor to the area, I'd love to explore all the area cardrooms, my poker time will be very limited.
Where should I go to play 5-10 thru 10-20 holdem in the Santa Rosa area? Location is very key, because we'll have less cars than people, so its likely that someone will drop me off there and pick me up.... can't have family members going an hour out of their way so I can play cards for a few hours :)
Thanks for your help, B$
You might be SOL for cardrooms in Santa Rosa. Here is what I would suggest. is there going to be any day when your family goes to San Francisco to shop/sightsee etc.? Since you dread doing these things you can jump on the BART in San Fran and take it to Colma. from there take a short Cab ride to Lucky Chances. Good luck.
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I’ve never really fully embraced the idea that gambling was a terrible addiction. It seems to me that for the most part it’s a matter of making good bets rather than poor ones. When you hear stories about people who have been helped by organizations like Gamblers Anonymous it seems that these people were simply gambling recklessly on negative EV games or they didn’t have an edge in the games they were playing. I always felt that if you gamble compulsively and win there really wasn’t a problem. A real life experience is starting to change my mind. First of all I don’t know if any of you know the story of Art Schlichter, an All American quarterback who played for Ohio State and went on the be drafted very high by the NFL. To make a long story short, because this post is not about Schlichter, he threw away a family, an NFL career, and ultimately his freedom by his reckless gambling. It’s a story of total deprivation.
During the past couple of days I have become aware of another tragedy brought about at least in part to reckless gambling that is much more personal. The person that I am referring to is a 46 year old male, a graduate of Columbia University in New York, and has a law degree from the University of Miami in Florida. This person was a top notch student in both high school, college and law school. This person has been practicing law for over 20 years and at first was very successful. However, over that last 15 years or so he has steadily gone down hill as a lawyer and I discovered that he was disbarred early this year with consent. His divorce will be final in a month. He had a beautiful wife and two lovely children. I also found out that he is facing criminal charges related to his being disbarred and there is a decent chance that he will do jail time. Currently he is living from hand to mouth on Manhattan sleeping on friends’ couches, one step away from being homeless. I know this person very well as we went to the same elementary and high school together. We grew up in an environment where gambling was more or less condoned. We both bet on football games and horses starting at age 14. This person has been gambling recklessly on craps, horses, and sports for the last 20 years and has lost a lot of money. I tried to convince him to play poker at one point but he never found the discipline or inclination to learn the game. Apparently all the money he has lost is not his own, he is into me for about $3000, his parents for about $20000, god knows what else from other people and of course the money related to his being disbarred and his criminal case. I don’t understand why this person has a compulsion to recklessly gamble and throw what seems to be a very good life away. I know it must be due to self destructive urges that would manifest themselves in other ways if gambling wasn’t available. But then I think that if gambling wasn’t more or less winked at when he was a young boy things may have been different for him. I have no idea what the future will bring for him. This person is my brother and it is a very sad day in my life.
For most people, gambling is a losing money proposition. There are very few good bets offered to the public that don't require a lot of work and effort which most people are simply not willing to go through. I believe that most people gamble for recreation and can afford their losses. For them, gambling consumes a certain amount of their recreational dollars each year just like going to the movies or to sporting events. However, for some people, gambling responds to a certain emotional need they have to get stimulated. This need finds an outlet in gambling as opposed to drugs or some other outlet. That gambling has become so much more convenient and widespread these days means that many people who have this emotional need will now have the means for their own destruction readily available to them. Expect to see a lot of human misery as all kinds of gambling (lotteries, casinos, public poker rooms, etc.) continues to get proliferated.
All behaviors and symptoms, including "self destructive urges", serve a positive function at some deeper level. Help your brother to find out what specifically the positive function his compulsive gambling has for him. Put your brother in a relaxed state and tell him, "So you have a part of you that likes to gamble in an uncontrolled manner. By doing so, what is this part trying to accomplish?" If his answer is negative (like for example, "to punish myself") then ask, "By doing that, what are you trying to accomplish that's positive?". Keep asking this question until he finally comes up with something positive. He will. Once he has come up with a positive intention of this unwanted behaviou, ask him to thank the part that likes to create the behavior of compulsive gambling for the positive intention that it is trying to accomplish for him. Then ask your brother to go to his creative part (the part that in high school, college, and law school was very good at coming up with many choices) and ask it to come up with at least three different and fun ways of accomplishing the positive intention. Once he has at least three new choices, let him ask the part that used to only be able to accomplish the positive intention exclusively thru compulsive gambling, "Would you be willing to take responsibility for running these new choices, say, for the next few weeks or so?". Once the part says yes, tell your brother to thank it for doing so. What this process will do is that it will build a belief in your brother that the part of him that engages in compulsive gambling is really a friend who has a positive intention for him. The only reason it's using compulsive gambling to accomplish this intention is because it had no other choice of accomplishing this positive in any other way besides gambling compulsively. But now that it has gone thru this process, it has choice. Remember, the word "addict" is a Greek word that means "to have no choice". The reason a person becomes an addict of anything is because he literally has no other choice when it comes to accomplishing the positive function that the so-called "degenerate self destructive behavior" is trying to accomplish. Once new ways are introduced, the person will no longer be an "addict".
Thank you for the advice.
In all of my 54 years of living I have never quite heard a "self improvement" procedure put so softly and elequently. I am agahst I tell you aghast. I'm awonerin if this method of yours truly works. What are the stats of recovery for "addicts" that attempt to follow this advice?
I must admit that it sounds a bit "Al Franken-ish" more than B.F, Skinner-ish. Of course I am not familiar with Skinners work so whom am I to talk. I thought that I would beat you to saying that.
If your advice can be backed up by numbers of recovering addict then it is truly remarkable advice indeed. Even if it can't be backed up it made for interesting reading anyway.
This was (I believe) a description of Six Step reframing. A technique that comes out of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. If you do a search on the web you will find many many sites with information. Among the information you may come across the statement that "NLP is not a set of techniques but an attitude that leaves a group of techniques in its wake." Because it is tough to define, I'm going to have to leave that as an answer to the question, "What is it?". That and the websites you come across will tell you more.
The next question is "Does it work?" Nobody knows. What little scientific work that has been done is inconclusive. In praxis though, NLP has been effective in sales training and some psychologists feel that its techniques have made them more effective in their work. In my opinion there are at least two ways that the technique B.F. Skinner wrote up can be read. First, is as an abstraction of any successful change. In my mind, it is pretty much dead on according to that reading. The second way is a more literal reading, a technique for you or someone to work as given. Here, results may vary.
If John Feeney is reading this I would be curious to know his opinions of this subject and the possibility of change.
There are two articles about 6-step reframing at WWW.NLPU.COM/archive.htm. The titles of the two articles are "The Principle of Positive Intention" and "Reframing". There are no empirical evidence that prove the effectiveness of NLP. However, the anecdotal evidence are in the millions. I first learned about NLP in the "Dr. Van Tharp" and "Charles Faulkner" chapters in the books The Market Wizards and The New Market Wizards by Jack Schwager. Even though they were books on commodities speculation, I thought that the ideas in these two chapters were especially useful for poker. I used to be very skeptical of NLP. This changed when I brought my mother and a close relative to an NLP Master Practitioner. He made my Mom's grief of my father's death disappear in less than one hour. And he cured my close relative's compulsive gambling habit in 20 minutes! This close relative previously was with Gamblers Anonymous for 6 months and with a psychotherapist for almost one year. Neither could help. I'm currently nearing the end of my NLP training and will become certified at the end of this year as a Practitioner. Ever since I started training, I couldn't put myself on tilt even if I wanted to.
Interesting! I read a few books on the subject in the 80's, by Bandler and Grinder. I think I'll revist. I hope you don't mind a few questions. Current reading list? Useful in the treatment of alcoholism ? Where are you training? Thank You.
I'm currently training at the NLP Institute of Nevada in Las Vegas. As for a reading list. Check out The Structure of Magic by Bandler/Grinder, Using Your Brain - for a Change by Bandler, Unlimited Power by Anthony Robbins, NLP:the New Technology of Achievement by Charles Faulkner and Steve Andreas. The site that I mention in a post above is a rich source of info on NLP. Also, check out NLP-Platform.com. There is no substitute for actual training though, because NLP is experiential/action-oriented as opposed to theoretical/academic. With a Certified Master Practitioner, alcoholism is a piece of cake.
I'm very skeptical. Perhaps you might want to ask yourself if your mother's grief should "disappear" to begin with.
Skepticism is good. It is a pathway to exploration, understanding, and discovery. Thru NLP, my Mom was guided in finding and programming in her own behaviors new ways of accomplishing the positive intentions of her grief. At the same time, her old painful way of implementing it has been preserved and respected and thus remains as one of a rich number of choices for accomplishing those positive intentions. In the past, it was the only way of going about it. Today, it's just one of many. I made a mistake when I used the word "disappear" (thanks for pointing that out). She has been able to get on with her life very positively and happily while honoring the memory of my Dad and all those years she spent life with him, greatly. Other techniques of NLP were also used, like anchoring, collapsing anchors, time line re-imprinting and others.
Nice post but you wrote
"addict" is a Greek word that means "to have no choice".
Actually, "addict" comes from Latin, ie -ad to, and dico to fix, to determine [addicere, addictum]
It is also derived from a Greek word which means "to have no choice". Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact spelling of the Greek word that the English word "addict" is derived from.
I've seen the words "praxis" and "hegemonic" appear in this forum the last couple of days. What's up with that?
"I've seen the words "praxis" and "hegemonic" appear in this forum the last couple of days. What's up with that?"
No worries. "Forum" is latin.
I'm sorry to hear your story, I can only say that even though a terrible thing has happened, you and your family can find a way through. These personal tragedies change us, but I think that they change us for the better. As for the rest of us, we should probably think about whether to be the "winning gambler" is really a very worthwhile aim in life.
The only thing winning gamblers worry about is how to get this dope in OUR GAME, calling my raises with Q4s because he had an unhappy childhood
everyone here either is similar to your brother, or loves to take money from people like your brother. The sad truth is that pro poker players have no consciences, and are prone to sadistic tendencies. Psychologically they are quite ill.
Are you being serious or facetious?
sad to say
please elaborate on the reasoning behing your conclusions.
Another brilliant "Doctor's Opinion" from the Big Book Of A--hole Degenerates. Thank you Dr for your beautiful statement of truth and honesty.
I really don't care how you guys voted for Pres., what I want to know is how all of you sports fans (or even non sports fans) vote for all-star games? Do you vote for the player having the best year? Do you vote for stars like the names of the events suggest (ignoring the name pro bowl)? Or do you have some other system, like throwing darts at the ballot? Just curious, thanks.
Steve "the lurker" Sommer
Just in case you care what I think, I vote for the guy having the best year. My tiebreaker is who I want to see more, which is usually the guy that gets less TV coverage throughout the year. For example I would rather see Carlos Delgado and Jason Giambi than Jim Thome. I would rather see Vlad Guerrero (sp?) than Sammy Sosa (but I'll still give the nod to Sammy if he is having a decisively better year). Just my thoughts.
I vote fo the guys that I think are deserving of it, even though I am a hard core Yankees fan. If a mediocre guy is only having a career half-year (ala Mike Bordick last year) I will defer to the more established all-star, even if his 1st half stats aren't as impressive. However, I don't EVER vote for undeserving dinosaurs like Cal Ripken.
If it's a wash, I go for the Yankee.
"If it's a wash, I go for the Yankee. "
Yeah I forgot to mention that if all else fails I vote for a Cardinal.
A lot of times I will see someone make an unbelievable play, and then vote for him. This happens a lot more at a park then it does on TV. An outfielder throwing out a player at home (or anywhere else), an incredible infield stop leading to a double play, fouling seven balls off followed by an RBI. Even getting an extra base by heads up, aggressive base running. It may be the only good thing a player from a visiting team does in his entire career, but if I see it, he gets my vote.
David Sklansky once wrote, "As to the chicken or the egg, the chicken clearly came first if you accept the theory of evolution and you define egg to be a chicken egg. The first chicken hatched from a non chicken egg."
Question: What came first the chicken or the egg?
I had a statistics class once in which wwe read a paper that used the Grainger causaulity method to "prove" the egg came first!
Actually it had nothing to do with the evolutionary side of the debate but used data on egg and chicken production to demonstrate the technique.
It depends upon how you define egg. It appears that Sklansky is defining a chicken egg as an egg that was laid by a chicken. Thus, when some non-chicken laid a mutant egg, and what hatched from that egg was a chicken, he is saying the chicken came first because the egg was a non-chicken egg.
I define the egg by what's in it. So, if you show me an egg and ask me what king it is, I would say, well, it depends upon what comes out of it. If a chicken is born, while a snake laid the egg, I would call it a chicken egg. So, in my system, the egg came first.
However, Sklansky and I appear to agree with the fundamentals here, we just name the egg differently.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
If you combine your definition of an egg with Slansky’s statement you get that the both happened at the same instant. You would get a statement like:
chicken egg if and only if chicken inside.
To have one you have to have the other.
OK, here's what I think, stated more clearly.
Two birds are getting it on, and while they're probably pretty close, they are not quite chickens. A zoologist who examined them closely would put them in the same branch of the family tree, but not quite in the same genus as chickens.
There offspring, inside it's egg, contains 1 or more mutations. When born, if examined, the same zoologist would pronounce it to be a chicken, rather than being the same type of animal as its non-chicken parents. Thus, the first chicken comes into existence.
Now, Sklansky says that this egg is a non-chicken egg, because it was laid by a non-chicken. I say this is a chicken egg, because it contained a chicken inside. He and I agree as to the origin of the chicken, we're just describing the egg by different names.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
I was trying to propose a third possible answer.
Q: What came first the chicken or the egg?
A: Neither. They both happened at the same time.
To get this answer I am using your definition of a chicken egg and the mutation event. I like this answer because it is “outside the box” of conventional thinking that one event has to proceed another.
Personally, I do not consider the embryo to be a chicken (please forgive me all you 'right to life' people). Therefore, the egg was formed around the embryo before the embryo became a chicken. So even by your definition, the chicken egg came before the chicken.
Chances that the chicken came first vs. the egg: ~ 200 to 1.
Chickens evolved from dinosaurs therefore eggs came from dinosaurs. The dinosaurs came first.
Himself; Is it true that the residents of Any2card Town (A2CT) all want to live in the Valley of Patience (VoP).
Mayor SPM; Sure they do, the houses are bigger in the VoP, house styles range from Aces full to the occasional Queens full.
Himself; What kind of houses do they have in A2CT?
Mayor SPM; Well many of our houses are made on the river. You'll see houses as low as duces full and up.
Himself; Why do so many players form A2CT visit the VoP.
Mayor SPM; A2CT is a very exciting place, like a roller coaster, up and down thrills are common place. Sometimes our residents need a rest. In the VoP they get to rest like a rock. But to much patience, very little power, and all that positioning and before you know it, their in a cab and return to A2CT.
Himself; Do any of these visitors ever stay forever in the VoP.
Mayor SPM; The leapord can't change his spots. But on occasion it does happen, but all that non activity usually wears on the nerves of an any2card player.
Himself; Have you ever been a resident in the VoP?
Mayor SPM; Yes, I lived in one of their low budget motels for 10 consecutive days. I loved the it, winning got to be a heavy drag. So I played any2 for just one hand. Before I knew what happened, they evicted me and I've been in A2CT ever sense.
Himself; What advice do you give your constituents looking to visit the VoP?
Mayor SPM; Take a good book, you'll have lots of spare time.
SPM,...the first rag hand played from the VoP, is the begining of the end or your visit...
Is it true or not that you won the election in your fair city Bushonion style by prohibiting the electorates vote from being fairly and acurately counted?
An interested voter who supports a democraric society
Your under the mistaken concept that things are fair in this political world we live in. Pocket aces didn't win my election. I won with the computer hand the best starting hand in hold'em.
SPM, ...the computer counted an I won, no recounts in Any3card Town...
What are some good books on the 1968 presidential campaign; specifically on the Democratic primaries, Chicago convention, Wallace's run, etc?
The only stuff I've ever seen has been by Hunter S. Thompson: while entertaining it's a bit, uh, disjointed, to say the least.
The Making of the President, 1968 by Theodore H. White is the classic. It appears to be out of print however.
BillM and Chuck,
That was the book I was thinking of last night and I could not find it on Amazon. I just checked our Barnes and Noble and they have a network of used books that listed many copies, some costing under $20. Here is the direct link but you may want to start out on your own so you are loged in correctly.
My guess is Amazon has a similar service. BTW, if you seacrh for Barnes and Noble by typing in "Barnes and Noble" in your address bar in MS IE5, you may end up getting a code for $10 off any purchase of $40 or more. You may want to try this before clicking on the URL above.
It should be interesting to compare TMOTP'68 w/F&LOTCT'72, sorta like contrasting "Helter Skelter" and "The Family". I've heard of TMOTP before and look forward to reading it.
And Rick, again, you're gonna love "Joe". Merry Christmas.
This is related to Sklansky's comment about running speed (across "race"). David noted a small difference in the mean causes a large relative difference in the tail probabilities of normal distributions. A small difference in variance also has a large effect. I recall problems with a (National Merit?) Scholarship going disproportionately to males. But the discrepancy was not that boys were better at tests or math. The problem was boys had a larger variance than girls. So boys were also disproportionately represented in the special education classes. The tails of a distribution may tell you very little about the population.
ive never even thought about that. what other situations might have been affected. and explain more on how the NMS was biased. its interesting for sure.
I'd let Ray Zee help me with my math anytime!
I think the primary reason men are more a lot more prominent in poker is not for the math but for the testosterone. Poker (specially NL) is almost a contact sport and as close to a dual as we have in civilized western culture (excepting boxing). Women just aren't as combative an men as a group.
As for the variences I fully agree with you.
Can girls do math?
All girls learn early, all they need is one good man. They let the stores do the math. If the man doesn't live up to expectations. They go to advanced math. CREDIT CARDS, girls got the math figured out.
SPM,...married three times and still doing math with the friend of the court...
gee spm i just can t for the life of me see why girls dont stick with you. hahahaha. every sentence you wrote put you one shovel closer to china.
I hear that in China the girls know how to treat their men. Can you recommend a faster way to get there.
SPM,...able leap tall women with a smile...
i cant help you get to china as ive never had a yen to go there.
zee: lost my native american friend that drank too much tea in a chinese restaurant and died that night in his teepee.
I was writing all my relitives Christmas Cards and realized that even though I have never met most of you I do consider you part of my very special "Poker Family". So here it goes.
All in all life is good. I'm still looking for Mrs. Chris Villalobos. Still taking everyone's money at the Poker Table. And I'm still getting carded when I buy Beer. I guess I can't ask for too much more except that I wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Merry Christmas to you, Chris! Life has its little surprises. May all yours be good!
Merry X'mas to you too Chris. And to everyone here.
"All in all life is good. I'm still looking for Mrs. (BillM). Still taking everyone's money at the Poker Table. And I'm still getting carded when I buy Beer. I guess I can't ask for too much more except that I wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! "
Jeez, Doyle musta been right about that ESP thing. That's me to a T.
Happy Days, everybody.
Boy, whatta movie. As much as I love Goodfellas, you certainly can see where chunks of Godfather were lifted whole and breathing. Very similar exp. to watching the remastered Exorcist.
Believe it or not, I had never seen God'er or Ex until recently. What beautiful prints, superlative restorations of both films.
Probably two of the five most influential movies ever made; definitely the two most infl'tl of the last 30-35 years.
Can't wait to watch Pt. 2 tonight and Pt. 3 tomorrow!
Part II is the best.
There were two GREAT "Godfather" movies. You've seen one and the other is the sequel. III Should not be mentioned in the same evenning. 1 was fantastic. I could not believe that a sequel could possibly be it's equal but in this case it just might be. Although it's hard to top Brando's performance in 1. the best way to view these movies is via a marathon movie evenning in which you consider them one.
I have always heard the line about 2 being the equal or even better than 1, but to me it's no contest. 2 should've been entirely a 'prequel'; Vito as a boy; coming to America; growing up; building the family; and then the return to Sicily. De Niro(and Bruno Kirby!) are magnificent.
Pacino is great, and any scene with GD Spradlin is by definition great("..operating without any sense of decency or moral restraint; completely beyond the pale."), and the Roth and Frankie P. characters are cool, and Joe Spinell and John Cazale were wonderful character actors. But the Kay and Connie parts were terribly written, and the whole Cuba deal and the Michael-Roth-Frankie wheel of betrayal storyline just didn't grab me. Again, suberb sets and cinematography.
I'll watch 3, as I always thought Sofia C. was a babe.
i think you shouldn't watch three. but no one ever listens.
i was told not to watch three and i did anyway. and i have told people not to watch three and they did anyway.
at least dont watch it right after two. just enjoy the greatness of the first two for a while.
remember that there was a good 20 years there when there only were those two.
I didn't really like III all that much, but it's a least worth watching, if only for the paralells to King Lear.
I am an American born decedent of the island of the black hand, the God Father trilogy is an annual event for me.
I hope you get as much enjoyment as I do every year.
SPM,...power of the black hand, Ace of clubs to beat them sensless, the Ace of spades to bury them...
I just saw a new resident of Any2Card Town moving in. He is the Captain..he will Row Row Row (hint-hint) your boat. He has recently moved up from the 5-10 HE to 10-20 and I encountered him at the 15-30 on friday, where he was beating the rocks senseless. He was up over 3k in the feeder game when he moved into the main game. He was running over the table, capping every round when I found myself UTG with red Aces. I bet out, everyone folds to him (he's the SB), he raises and the BB calls. I reraise, he caps and the BB calls, muttering profanities about the Captain beneath his breath. The flop comes As 2c 10d. I could hear my heart beat thundering in my ears, but I check. He bets, the BB calls and I raise. He reraises, the BB folds, muttering not so under-his-breath now and I cap it. The turn comes..a 2h, giving me the nut boat. I bet out, he raises and raises and raises and raises..following his last raise with a, "Darlin', I will drag felt before I stop raising this hand." Now this comment from anyone else would concern me, but knowing the Captain, I KNOW he has a deuce. If he had pocket deuces, even he would not advertise it. So I wink at him, tell him I am SO in need of a good spanking and reraise. He just calls, citing the fact that he is feeling charitable. The river comes a 7s. I bet out..he goes through two stacks before he stops and just calls. I am about to turn over my Aces when he beats me to the punch and cackles, "It's not the cards I was playing, it was the player!" turning over 2 7 os. I was floored...but then this is the Captain. I turned over the Aces and he was absolutely stunned. He really thought he had me ALL the way. I wish you had been there. I left shortly afterwards..the Captain was just coloring down his last five black chips. Time to bring your new constituent a welome basket, don't ya think? See ya soon...*smile*
Great post. I felt like I was sitting at the table. You should have tried to take his clock too.
The Captian gave me one of his clocks as gift. He gives action and gifts, because he's just a nice man.
SPM,...faster than a speeding rush...
What a great hold'em story. I am surprised that the Captian has been playing in 10-20 and 15-30. But the truth of the matter is I've played him before in the 5-10 game. His play is not a surprise, he has lived in Any2card Town for sometime. And here is the rule you should mark down in your poker notes. The leapord doesn't change his spots.
SPM,...everyone want's your posting name, they put presure on me for the info, but they won't get it from me...:)
hehheh..if they're too dumb to figure it out for themselves, then they are unworthy. See ya soon
After 25 years, I'm going to give up horse-racing handicapping. I didn't get hurt in the horse-racing game this year -- but neither did I have a major score. I've been thinking about giving it up for a long time, but this year, I'm finally weaning myself from the lure of the most interesting game of all.
There are many reasons for my decision to give this game up, but the bottom line is that the game has become too difficult. Ironically, as the game has become more competitive amongst the players, it seems that the race results have become more illogical. One only has to look at this year's Breeders Cup races to see what I mean. Facing a minimum rake of 15% (Kentucky win bets), and a rake of 25% on my best wagers (exactas/trifectas), the game has become unplayable.
I intend to make an exception for the Triple Crown races, simply because the sheer fun of that game outweighs any financial ramifications. But otherwise, that is it, my New Year's resolution.
I quit the ponies except when I go to the UK - there it is difference - you can expect to win and the exotics are not impossible to pull off. US racing is a big rip off and not always on the up and up.
As for triple crown races I like the Belmont Steaks for my big bet - since we had a chance to see the others in two other races.
I also think the breaders cup offers some quality racing for the good handicappers.
My father rest his soul, loved to play the ponies. If you wanted to hang around with dad you had to do the things he liked.
I bonded with him every week, and lost enough to feed all the ponies at the track.
The things I remember are studying the form, and knowing I had the best horse picked in the race. The gates open and my horse is in the lead. Only one problem the jockey got left at the gate.
Now that he's gone, I don't play the ponies no more.
SPM,...got extra cash now, and donating it to the retired hold'em players pension fund...
That sounds good to me. I was disheartened last year at Gulfstream Breeders Cup. Friday I bet all the speed horses and they all lost. The once race I'm winning the jockey (a great jockey) is holding back the horse right in front of me at the 1/8 pole. I cleared my eyes to make sure I was seeing it and he held him just enuf to lose by a nose. I had him on top, in an exacta, tri, pick-3. The money is immaterial my heart sank and to be honest I have never recovered from that sight in 99. I do still go to the races once in a while but without the passion that I had for this great game. To top it off I go home and refigure all my bets for trailers on Sat and they skin the track so all the speed horses win. Had I stayed with my original bets I would of won, but nobody knew or at least I didn't know they were going to skin the track. Sunday I won, but it was bittersweet.
I invested a decade and a half into thoroughbred racing. Before the age of the desktop computer I had databases that were staggering. So much effort, so little reward. I may take take a year off to write a practical guide to realistic wagering. After following a hundred blind alleys I've learned some things. But I'm moving past my middle years and don't have the heart for it anymore.
I was lunch in the feeder game at Harra's in East Chicago. The game was short from the one oclock boarding till the three oclock boarding. Playing Big Slick, all the marriages I could find, and then any2woulddo. By the time I got to the main game, I was stuck three stacks. The cards have no respect for talent. Is this any way to treat the Mayor of Any3card Town?
By dinner, I was only down about 80% of one stack. Feeling full and convinced the poker god would smile on me, I return to the game with hope in my heart.
A few hands later I'm winning 1/2 a stack, I'm going to win, I could hear them yelling in my head. But, before you could blink an eye, I was stuck 3 1/2 stacks. It was ugly.
Then came pocket fours early position, I don't care. I prayed silently to the poker god, flop me two fours and I promise I'll just limp to the river.
He only gave me one 4, and by the turn I was full with fours full of sixes. My birthday boat. I won a big one and was up 20% of a stack and ran home, 10 hours of bad beats is enough.
SPM,...escaped the speeding bullet...
Play tighter in those must-move games. Make no marginal plays. Don't try to create an image either.
Thanks for the advice Earl. However, my image is already shattered. I should have never run for the office of Mayor of Any2card Town.
SPM,...stuck in the basement, because of all the snow in the Chicago area...
Trust me when I tell you Suburban Poker Man's image preceeds him hours before he walks into the room. he is legendary in these parts.
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
What happened to the man called Rounder?
I started posting on 2+2 after playing with the Rounder Himself, in Aurora, IL.
He moved his office to the East Chicago casino, I have been looking for him for several months, is he still playing hold'em? Or...
Did a fish swallow him?
SPM,...can Rounder come out and play...
As Arnold said: "I'll be back" look for me at the newly initiated Harras regular tournaments.
I have had some personal problems lately but they are coming together. I can't play quality poker with other things on my mind so I am holding off until they are sloved besides I hate the traffic in Chicago.
See ya soon, Mike
Thanks for your post. At least now I know your still thinking about poker and you did not get swallowed by a fish.
SPM,...Posting because of you and the Mid Night Mauader...
I'd like to hear from players who have worked as proposition players in California card rooms: good experiences, bad experiences, problems with other players - with management, best methods of keeping it fun and profitable, and staying out of trouble.
I'm going to start propping in January, and any advice would be greatly appreciated.
us poor suckers up here in montana are getting the cold weather today. its zero and windy at 10 pm and dropping. i wish i was down south now. the heck with the ice skating. here i am sitting with an unrefundable ticket that i couldnt use, freezing to death with all my bear friends sleeping away the winter in a cave.
After 7hrs playing at commerence, feel pretty good about my $80 profit since I went through almost 2 racks. Came back to HWP to see my friend and saw Rick was still struggling on the table. After a year long hard working, feeling a little relaxed now since I have just booked the hotel room in Vagas today and going to spend my Christamas week over there with my wife. Wish you and everybody here have a nice christamas in advance.
I could use you for an IRS audit! Actually, I had a good day but had exited a bad 15/30 "main game" before you saw me. I decided to play an hour of 10/20 and recycle myself back into the "must-move" 15/30 which was a favorite to be much better. The 20/40 game was not an option as that "must move" was semi-short and only fair. In the end the 10/20 was so good that I stayed in it for a while and went home from that game without going back to the 15/30. All the chips in front of me in the 10/20 were in the plus column as I thought I would look a little silly taking four racks to a 10/20 game.
In all seriousness, dealing with "must moves" (actually forced move at Hollywood Park) "main games" and so on in the California card barns is a science in itself and may be worth an essay. Your game is ready for 10/20 to 20/40 but this is a skill worth knowing if you want to be game selective.
I would have responded to this post earlier, but I was out swimming tonight. It's cooling off in Scottsdale, too, I had to wear a long sleeve shirt in the cardroom yesterday.
so you want to be a mountain man huh? well hang on, it's quite awhile 'til the "rendezvous" in the spring.
I guess you could take solace in the fact you're not naked, half-starved and cold, running away barefooted from some hot headed blackfeet braves, on your way to the relative safety of crazy woman Kate's shack 200 miles away on the north platte
Yeah Ray, I know what you mean. Two weeks from now, It'll be christmas, and I'll have to deal with that huge climate change: from SF bay area to Hawaii. Man I really hate going home to mom and dad's during the winter because the 80 degree weather just plays havoc with...ah, who am I kidding? I love it. I'll be thinking about you, all shut up in your cabin. two weeks of warm weather, fireworks, golf and "fish on"!!!
Don't worry Ray! Perhaps BF Skinner will post some techniques that will allow you to visualize living in a sunny balmy climate. Some part of you, Ray, is trying to do something positive by spending winter up there next to the Arctic Circle.
PS to BF: If you read this when you're back from the golf course; just kidding.
I've never been a fan of winter. First dozen yrs here I'd head to Calif. for winters. Was a nervous parent yesterday as daughter drove to work for the first time in icy conditions. I only fell twice walking to work the other day, gave a pretty good John Travolta(sp) impression trying to recover. Winters in Dillon were much better than Missoula, I didn't work and had the spring crk just outside of town where I could be found whenever the temp approached freezing. Only broke two rods breaking ice out of the guides. Just babbling today sorry, maybe I'm just getting into the mood watching protests in front of Supreme Court. Pep rally atmosphere, pathetic.
Long sleeve shirts! A little windy and Zero! I feel soooo bad for you.
She was a tidy -31 C here this morning. For you Fahrenheit types, I think that converts to about 25 below. The two scales meet at -40. Even with the old beast plugged in overnight, those tires were a little stiff driving to work. Think about those numbers over your next Pina Colada, you whiners!
Seconded, Dunc...I walked 15 blocks to Baccarat on Friday night in that brisk -30 celsius!
David "Sometimes its not the cards that are cold" Ottosen
yea but you canadians that live in the flatlands dont understand the cold so you ignore it and all the funny named bar drinks you do, keeps your blood thin. besides -31c is only -23.8f not 25 below. dont exaggerate on this forum.
Sorry, Z-Man, I lost my head there for a minute.
You of all people should appreciate the cold. I can remember stopping in beautiful downtown Butte about 30 years ago for Chinese food on my very first trip to Vegas. It was at least 30 below, and the restaurant was so cold we ate with our ski jackets on.
Those Sun Belt types have no clue. I'd love to see Rick N. or Brier shlepping home from the card room every night in this weather. Ha!
Butte is even too cold for me. as i get older im starting to wear a jacket in the winter and even long sleeve shirts. it used to be fun to walk into a place when it was below zero out in a tee shirt and watch the faces, but those days are long gone. the coldest ive ever been was in vegas in the summer with their damn airconditioning turned up full.
To get warm, get as many pictures of yourself and put them in a circle. Then get in the middle of the pictures and enjoy the Rays.
Or do like the bears and take sometime for Zee's.
SPM,...In the middle of a bizard in the Chicago area...
i feel sorry for you living in a corrupt city where the wind blows cold off the lake when you could live in montana where we elected a new governor, and she doesnt even have a college education.
zee: able to crush small buildings with a single pound
Us poor suckers down here in Colorado wish you would take your cold air back. Its harder to get to the casinos with all that snow in the mountains.
"freezing to death in my bear nightgown"
Put on some slippers and stop your bitchin. U put yourself in that hellhole. If you had gone to Vegas you'd be on the Left Coast now raking another pot.
Poor Me, Pour Me, Another Drink.
I hope Dr. A doesn't say we're all alcoholic degenerates too!!!!!!!
Ha! Ray thinks that's bad. Here in San Diego it was 70 below... err... uh, below 70 for a while this morning!
How's it going John, it was nice to meet you in person. I feel so sorry for Ray, Don't You!!!
Yeah, that was fun Paul. We'll have to make it dinner or something next time. And Ray does have it tough up there... Feeneys to the left of him, Feeneys to the right, there he is, stuck in the middle...
Any2card Town (A2CT) has a very large population, the Valley of Patience (VoP) population is small, but from time to time it attracts a large visitor population. Why you ask? Well let me take a few moments to explain.
The requirements for living in A2CT are loose, while the VoP requirements are tight.
With this said, lets take a look at that large visitor population in the VoP. From time time the A2CT people decide they are tired of the swings in there bank rolls. So they take up residents in the VoP, usually they rent a low budget motel room. This however, is their first mistake. To live full time in the VoP one must take a commitment plague.
I plague allegiance to the fold of the VoP. And to the Patience for which it stands. One notion that a fold under the gun with rags is liberty to the bankroll and bad beats for all.
They say you can take the player out of A2CT, but you can't take the play of A2CT out of the player.
Living on the boarder of the two communities, is dangerous. You must make a commitment to live in the VoP, renting a low budget motel is not the answer to bank roll swings. The fact that these players rent rather than buying a piece of Patience is the problem. Normally it takes just one bad beat to send them back to A2CT.. But, the good news is we love our residents and they are always welcome back, as long as they keep their pockets open.
SPM, ...Mayor of Any2card Town...
Any 2 Card Town residents may experience a few minor bankroll fluctuations but they are always the most welcomed guests at any poker table. Their fun loving and carefree attitude along with their generosity does not go unnoticed by this sucker.
Keep up the good work - I love your posts.
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Miker D)
Remember your AKc against 38c?
Read my post a bit below this one...same guy..different result.
And I did it all for you, baby.
(Ok Ok..I lied..I didn't do it ALL for you..but I was thinking of you as I raked the pot, Darlin'..*wink*)
I am moving to hawaii in january and i was wondering if they have casinos / pokerrooms in HAWAII???? anyone??
To the best of my knowledge, there is no legal gambling of any sort in hawaii. Utah is the only other state in that category. I'm sure there are numerous home games, as well as underground casinos. Unfortunately, I know nothing of detail. One thing to do is to try and meet people from hawaii when you're playing in Vegas, SoCal, or other poker spots on the mainland. Then, ask them about what they do when at home. Hopefully you'll get invited to their home games.
later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
I was trying to put together a home game a couple of months ago (in Champaign, IL) and posted on 2+2 under "Other poker games." I got several responses, from which we have been able to get a game going.
I also posted an ad on www.pokerpages.com, and got one response from that ad. When you get to the pokerpages homepage click on the "classifieds" tab, and then click on the "seeking games" link.
You can also post on http://pokerworks.com
I would try all three. If you find other sites, let me know.
Kresge. Named after a Detroit family I believe.
Harry B. Cunningham
Working for the number two variety store chain, S.S. Kresge, Harry Cunningham took a year off from operations to study E.J. Korvette, Ann & Hope and other practitioners of the new discount store concept. His report produced the first Kmart in 1962 and a corporate commitment to the format which expanded faster than any other discount store until Wal-Mart overtook it in 1990. As a reward, Cunningham became CEO of Kmart Corp., the name Kresge adopted.
I thought EJ Korvette stood for Eight Jewish Korean War Veterans. Am I wrong?
That's the problem with the internet; like a blind hog sniffing out truffles, I spend more and more time researching arcane questions of concern to (almost) no one.
What kinda discount do you typically get at The Orleans and how much action do they want? I'm getting there on Thur 1/11 and am leaving Sun morning. They told me that Thur is $59 and Fri-Sat is $109. The poker room said they'll take care of the discount after I check in. I'm going to play the $60-40 NLHE on Fri night, but do they want you to put in so many hours of live play?
If you play the stakes you mentioned, you will have no problem getting the poker rate. Just mention to the poker management while you're seated that you want your rate validated by them and then check by calling the front desk from the poker room to ascertain that they did it.
p.s. good luck in the game ;-)
You are a women with a little somethin somethin, you handled that question like true Rounder. You like to travel, play cards, and who knows what else.
desire, your the best, we're lucky to have you in Aurora. See you on the mat, felt, I ment the game, oh boy...
SPM, ...able to see class even on the internet...
SPM, you have no shame. I hope your wife doesn't read this forum. hehe.
My wife has me on full security lert. She see's everything, knows everything. She is the keeper of the VIAGRA (KoV).
SPM,...a man controled by his best friend, lover, and the KoV...
Let's not kid ourselves about the Viagra SPM, we both know that the scent of Desire's perfume raises more than just eyebrows at the poker table.
err..wife? SPM has a.. *gulp*..wife???
Just kidding...and she's a beautiful woman at that. I met her, Boris. She knows she owns SPM's heart..and body and soul. (Umm, is she the one I am supposed to see about this IOU you booted to me last week?) heh
is SPW more beautiful than Jessica Alba?
Just how I like my men...bullet proof....see ya soon, good looking. *wink*
I'll be in Vegas on those dates. I play at Bellagios, 15-30 Holdem or Stud. Look me up. Bald Italian with a white (I'm old) goatee.
no wonder why you wouldnt post your picture on dicks website.
what happened to him anyway.
Hey, Z, my name is Vince. I just look like a dick. Be careful.
Hi Im travelling to Boston from the UK in the spring and see this as a chance to pick up some clay chips ( they are like gold dust in the UK). Does anyone know of a store where I could buy good quality clay chips in the Boston area? Thanks in advance for any help. PS I know about pokerchips.com Goldfish
Does anyone know of a store where I could buy good quality clay chips in the Boston area?
You can get the sort of low end unicorn and diamond clay chips at some of the game stores. I haven't seen really nice ones, though.
There's an excellent game store in Cambridge (Games People Play, 1100 Massachusetts Ave (617)492-0711) and there's this place in Waltham (requires a car most likely).
Plus alot of the area malls have chain stores that carry chips.
But I haven't seen anything that resembles the quality of custom chips from pokerchips.com.
If you guys are like me, I know you're popping those Christmas CD's into the car stereo this time of year;-} Anyway, my two favorites are The Roches' We Three Kings and Leon Redbone's Christmas Island. His duet with Dr. John on "Frosty the Snowman" is terrific. Any other suggestions?
Well, you know I prefer 85%+ Classical, so off the top of my head, Handel's Messiah and Tchaichovsky's Nutcracker Suite. Of course you don't need this suggestion.
I recall We Three Kings from Handel's Messiah as a child but I never heard of the Roches.
Handel's Messiah sounds more like funeral music than anything else.
How can you forget "Christmas In Japan In July" by the Young Adults? Lead singer/maniac Rudy Cheeks has resurfaced as an advice columnist for the Boston Pheonix under the moniker "Dr. Lovemonkey". He actually gives semi-serious and useful advice. I'd give you the URL but if you have the big brain you claim you should be able to find the page using a search engine.
Of course: "How the hell/Can we sing Noel?/On December twenty-five/when it's Christmas in Japan/ Christmas in Japan in July."
But, I can't find it on a CD.
Rudy still does a local talk radio show around here.
Although it may be hard to find a copy of, I really like 'The Beatles Christmas Album'.
The very first record of real music I have ever owned in my life was a gift from my most straight and conservative old aunt, who brought me, wrapped up and all, a nice-looking, nicely-titled record recommended by the blessed store owner as being "right for the young'un".
It was a Christmas gift. You ask me for Christmas music, that's what comes to mind. Guess there's a subliminal, if slight, connection to the true spirit of the music.
The record was "Surfin' Bird" by The Trashmen. AHWANNAEVRYBADYSAYNNNNGABOUDEBIRD.
I was ruined forever, as they say.
Opening credits--? But, used effectively in Full Metal Jacket.
You're right, it wasn't on the credits. I guess that's when the movie began for me? Ended?
Punch magazine: Mr Yeats, you haven't written much lately. Has your wife been feeling ill?
I love wacked out Christmas albums. My top three are:
1. Esquivel - Merry Christmas From the Space Age Bachelor Pad
2. James Brown - Funky Christmas
3. South Park - Mr. Hanky's Christmas Classics
They're all great.
I'm looking forward to adding to my collection this year. There's an interesting compilation album called "Sleighed" that I'm looking forward to hearing. It's all rock and hip hop groups. With titles like "Santa Doesn't Cop out on Dope" by Sonic Youth, "I Farted in Santa's Lap", and "The Little Drum Machine Boy" by Beck, plus songs by Spinal Tap and others, it's gotta be quality.
I would like people to comment on the final hand in the movie "Rounders". I think the hand/ending was out of whack. On the hand that Matt DaDamon busts Teddy KGB, he is dealt 8-9 suited. The flop comes 6,7,10 rainbow. Damon checks and KGB bets and Damon calls. KGB then makes the comment that he (Damon) is on a draw. The turn is a deuce, the river an Ace-no flush. Damon checks the turn, calls KGB's bet, then checks the river.KGB goes all in and Damon of course calls with the nut straight. My question is, what draw could KGB think Damon is on? 4-5????? If KGB thought it was 4-5, wouldnt he wonder, if the 8 came, how Damon would feel about his hand then? This whole scenario did not seem real to me given the cards and KGB thinking he was on a draw.
and i, for one, can't wait to see everyone's comments.
Or was the discussion of this I saw on RGP? I thought it was here...
i can't even tell any more.
God, a man who can quote the Simpson's so perfectly, play good poker, think good poker, and get arrested is really someone I should meet. I'll e-mail you next time I'm coming down to NYC.
Well, if we are the optimistic type, who wants to have faith in good old Rounders, we have to assume that KGB is just trash talking. He doesn't actually think Mike is on a draw, except maybe a 2-pair draw, or something like 99.
The clues to this are a) the draws are not very reasonable, and Mike is not dumb enough to invest as much of his stack as he does only on a draw b) when you think someone was on a pure draw, you don't bet the river, because if they had a draw they will just fold, but if they actually are trapping you will lose lots of chips. Betting the river is for bluffing, or value if you think you'll get called.
The thing about that last hand that I find hard to believe is that a seasoned veteran no-limit player like KGB is so much on tilt that he gets sucked in to going all in on what must have been a marginal hand.
What the hell could each have? Well, KGB might have put Mike on T9s, so that he figured him for top pair, and a straight draw. If so, maybe KGB had QT or KT, and at the end figured he had the best hand. But, if Mike flopped top pair, wouldn't he bet it? So if he doesn't, KGB has got to smell a trap.
Another possibility is that KGB had Ace-baby, and bet on the end with top pair. Since there was no betting until the river, he had no reason to dump the hand.
Okay, I'm done rambling. This is ridiculous anyway. I'm sure the creative mind could come up with many different scenarios of possible hands.
Of course, what the last scene is doing is comparing Mike's "expert" play to the play which Johnny Chan made against Eric Seidel in the WSOP video he watched, where Johnny suckered Eric into going all-in. Mike has finally achieved "expert" status, and this play proves it - only I'm not convinced.
Why do you people waste your time analyzing a worthless poker movie? It is only a movie.
Someone mistook these two for poker players.
OK, you people do NOT like the final hand in Rounders, that much is obvious. Let's see you come up with another final hand then, which
-- will thrill the non-poker-savvy audience
-- can be understood by the average poker player to be an expert play
-- can be appreciated by the poker experts to be a truly flawless, expert play.
Get to work - and no peeking.
(My money's on none of you, pathetic bunch of critics, coming up with worthwhile stuff! Else David Mamet'd have put the call in already...)
Well, the hand the Mike loses his money on at the beginning is a lot closer to being good. Just for starters...
But who cares, I don't even enjoy the poker in Rounders anymore, just the cinematography and Ed Norton. Watch how many scenes are beautifully lit. Watch Ed Norton say "Women are the rake, the fucking rake," and "Tone what down mother----?"
KGB has AQ off, he goes all in before the flop, KGB askes "has anyone seen my cookies." Mike, has A9 off, he remembers that this was almost like the A9 clubs he lost with last time so, he calls. On the river Mike spikes a one of three possible outs a 9. He wins all the money and goes to Vegas.
A world series of poker ending.
SPM,...is the truth always best...
the only good thing about being a sub-moronic, ass kissing 9-5er is that I get to read this forum all day. Lord knows I wouldn't ever waste my own money an a computer and high-speed ISP.
The fact that you realize that you're sub-moronic is a sign that you're not really sub-moronic. Sub-morons aren't supposed to be capable of realizing that they are sub-moronic. But you're a moron.
He is lightening up. You too will come to know and love the ways of PV.
Glad to see you back and back in form. You were gone so long I thought you must have gone and gotten a job.
I've recently been hanging out at RGP, that vast wasteland of poker content-less space in the middle of nowhere. They are in desperate need of a role model. They need someone to show them what poker content, character, and decency are all about.
The new Issue ( Dec. ) of 'Meadow's Racing Monthly', has an article entitled 'Controlled Aggression'. Although the article is about horse racing, it was inspired by TWO PLUS TWO's Alan Schoonmaker's poker writings.
All in all, a pretty good article by Barry Meadow.
how do you know it was inspired by Schoonmaker's writings? did it say so?
Yes, it says so Mr Curtis.
It's about how some of Mr Schoonmaker's poker wisdom, can also be applied to thoroughbred players.
Does Meadows Racing Monthly have a website where I can find this article? I loved Schoonmaker's book and I am very interested to know how his concepts apply to games other than poker. Thank you.
TR Publishing has a website, but the article is not there.
I should point out that it is not a 'nuts and bolts', or 'How To' article. Rather, it is about the mindset of being too aggressive too often, and the harm it can cause to your bankroll.
I'm off to play poker.
Hey guys, I'll be going to Mama's house in Missoula for X-mas. what do you guys think of the card games in Missoula? the only place I can remember where they played was the Oxford. Any info you might have would be appreciated. thanks, Boris
I haven't been there in many years. They probably still have games at the Ox and Stockman's, but I understand that there are noew also card rooms that focus on cards, not booze. I would try to find a game at one of the bars first.
good bread at bernices bakery over the higgins street bridge kind of behind flippers. my favorite spot to eat bread or pastries ill be there a few times piggin out. the shack for breakfast and zimmorinos red pies over montana for pizza and bear. the best ice cream around is the big dipper, all homemade and great just past the bridge on higgins south of the river. good ice skating in town also. if no snow rollerblade on the new trail. then you will be too tired and full to play poker in those high rake smokey games but full of bad players. no visit to ida hunnywell in olney?
been a while since I've been to the Olny neck of the woods. Never actually knew Ida as we lived near, not in Olny, and we were definitely classified as anti-social types. Glad to hear she is still alive and kicking. I always enjoyed her stories about going to Kalispell to visit grand children or whatever else happened to be going on.
Four games in town. Stocks, 1-3 dealers choice, college bar noisy. I heard they get no limit occasionaly on Sundays. I don't play there. Oxford, 1-5 rock game, been going down hill, I don't play there. Silver Tip, 4-8 omaha high,hold em, 10% $5 max rake. I don't play there any more, free beer. Lucky Strike dealers choice 3-6 Sun thru Tues, 4-8 Wed thru Sat. Starts at7 except Fri Sat starts at 2. 10% max $4 and free beer. IMO best game in town but I've only logged 150 hrs this yr. I like wild games and at times they're too passive for my taste. Players very weak but annoying, at times its like kitchen table poker. Ray gives good advice. Montana Club, next door to Lucky Strike serves good steak and eggs breakfast, 3.95. I hope I see you , not many new players in town. Let me know when you'll be here. If I'm in the game you'll know me, Im the old grumpy guy that tries to police the game.
Is the Missoula Clud still around. I used to love their greasy burgers with hot pepper cheese and hot mustard and the barkeep (Griz lineman Jason Ray) was a good buddy of mine who would keep the beer flowing for me at minimal cost. It had a lot of grumpy old guys and I thought maybe you were one of them.
I might come back this summer to do some fishing with my Pop and show my new wife the old stomping grounds.
thanks for the info. I don't know if I'll get the time to play but I'll post a message if I know I'm going down there. I'm in my late 20's and usually wear an MSU cap when playing. Don't think that would make me too welcome in Griz country though.
and don't forget to take those two Psycho Nutcases with you, Streisand and Liberal Libertarian. Good Riddance!
Oh.. I'm in a time warp.... Good fascists like Randy will enjoy how we escalate from disenfranchisement of Blacks and Jews to genocide..thanks for voting for me..the Dictator appointed by Scalia and Rehnquist. Heil Bush!(say it everyday..or go to the re-eduaction camp)
You can ALWAYS tell the rantings of a guy in his twenties(or less). If Adolf(alias liberal libertarian) is over thirty I'll eat every one of those hanging chads.
"Bon appetit", Dan
Actually, Bush is the only non-elected, appointed by the courts President in history. Gerald Ford was appointed, but by a constitutional ascencion. Bush's election is the only truly illegitimate presidency in history. A better historical analogy than Nazi Germany(though the election tactics of Republican partisans resembles the brown shirts) is Rome. Rome changed from a republic to a dictatorship. We are at the same Rubicon crossing.
Liberals are commies.. Conservatives are facists.
come up with something new already.
you will be targeted for the concentration camp unless you state unemphatically"Austin Texas Uber Alles".Not every President get dictated dictator by Supreme Lackeys. Shine my boots now like the good kiss ass you are...
and if the supreme court ruled in favor of gore, i'm sure you wouldn't be spouting off about him getting "dictated dictator".
bush won twice, gore took it to the courts. you are so stupid it's not really even worth responding.
no...if the court had ruled in Gore's favor, then the votes would have been counted. That is an anathmea to the Republican brown shirts.
you undernourished malcontent!!!!!!!!!!!!! now gets some normal sleep
Iask you... Is there anything worse than a whiney liberal?
like you... pervert
like you gutless sicko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you can pretend that its your usual pedophilia
YOU spineless jellyfish without username and e-mail address, maybe Mason's webmaster can find away to riddance your utter nuisance..............
Here! Here! Go Bush!
You mean, "Hear, hear," dumbdumb. You say here, here, when you're calling a dog.
Although, considering the buffoon we just dropped into the oval office, maybe you were right.
Here, boy. Here, GW. Good boy, stay, roll over.
Welcome, President Chaney and hand-puppet Bush.
I'm an old democrat turned republican via Bill Clinton. Anyone is better than a Clinton castoff.
Gore would be the worst of the worst.
I miss mine.
..themselves, for completely destroying their party btwn 1964-1980, leading directly to the Reagan-Bush-Dole dodecade, and thus the current Supreme Court majority.
If Cheney can't keep the economy strong, Dub's a likely one-termer. If the donkeys are stupid enough to run Hillary in '04, they can expect more of the same.
Say, didn't you use to be Ralph Nader?
Say, didn't you use to be a Democrat Senator that helped confirm Scalia 96-0?
Say, didn't you use to be a Democrat Senator that helped the Gulf Of Tonkin Resolution pass 98-2?
Well put and nuf said. I concur. Hilary--no way Gore--no way. Who is on the horizon for the donkeys in 04? Guess we have to see what happens in 02
I said that Dub might squeak by on the absentee ballots: He did.
I said that Jeb's done: Jesse and Kwesi'll take it all out on him in '02.
I said that Bush could've won easier with Ridge as VP: Well, I don't think he could've won any harder... Don't get me wrong; from an administrative point of view, Cheney's the man(I bet Poppy had a lot to do with the pick, and Dub may well be a man who knows his limitations).
See ya in Reno. :)
I'm going on a trip to either Albuquerque, Tampa or Norfolk. I was wondering if these cities have any good poker rooms. Which one is the most interesting concering poker? thx
Come on down to Albuquerque. Plenty of hold'em action here now. They were spreading a $30-60 game this weekend at Sandia Casino. I think Isletta is picking up too. There is some O/8 which is popular but the stakes are $4-8 with a half kill. Don't know about Norfolk or Tampa.
Do you know how far Albuquerque is from Denver?
About 470 miles from Denver I believe.
It's about a 6 1/2 hour drive. How often are they spreading games above 10-20? How is the PL game going? Is Sam still coming in?
They are regularly spreading $20-40. I think the PL game is going and Sam is still living and certainly hasn't run out of money at least as of a week ago.
No poker in Florida worth talking about. And off the top of my head, I don't recall poker being legal in Virginia either.
Thus you are "stuck" with going to Albuquerque. I've been there, you'll enjoy it. Sandia casino (north of town on I-25) has a large poker room with a competent staff.
The $4-$8 HE games at Sandia are much tougher (generally) than similar games at Isleta. The limitation is that Isleta typically only has one HE game going at a time, while Sandia may have several $4-$8 games (must move), a $10-$20, and a $20-$40 running simultaneously. Sandia also usually has several O/8 games ($4-$8 w/half kill) running, with a must move structure. I've probably played more at Sandia and earned more at Isleta ;-).
A concept that is continually discussed on the forum and in the poker mags is game selection. I never gave it much attention, UNTIL I played a $6-$12 game over Thanksgiving weekend at the Mirage. I walked into a wonderfully loose, passive game Saturday night, got hit by the deck several times coupled with a live straddler, and basically shut the game down two hours later, up $480. You will NOT find a game like that at Sandia.
Monday, December 11,2000, a foot of snow in the Chicago Land area. No poker for the SPM, Tuesday, SPM down with a cold, cough, cough, cough, no poker. Wednesday, The SPM paces his office like a caged animal, his cold still lingers, weather report more snow.
What will our local celebrity do, as he climbs the walls, turns on turbo texas hold'em. But there is no joy without the risks associate with the live ring game.
More pacing, more wall climbing, does our hero have a gambling problem? Well that's a good question but the truth is the SPM sees the same people everytime he goes to the casino. Maybe they got the gambling problem.
Then a light at the end of the tunnle. We got medicine to mask the cold, we got a jeep with four wheel drive.
Sorry for the interuption of this post...
SPM, ...no longer in the office, film at 11...
Nine hours earlier...
The hold'em junkie (hj) intered the poker room... seat open in the main game, the hj was in a game. Perfect timing, the cut off and a post away from the first hand, "is this heaven" he asked himself.
All the driving in the snow, and the first hand is k5off. :(
It wasn't heaven. But damn close, the fix worked and the hj was back in the groove.
SPM,...need that hold'em high...
U R One sick puppy to weather that storm to play poker. (I had to work or I would have been there!!)
Just a thought...
Michael D (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Anyone ever play in the poker room at the Trump Marina? I usually play at the Trop or Taj, but it's a family vacation and the parents wanted to try the Marina. Anyway, what are the games/limits like? Any details will be helpful
It is either closed (pretty sure) or lame. Used to be 2nd floor next to the horse book. Harrah's has a small (gotta wait for and hour) to get a table. Inexperienced dealers and slow games (1-5, 5-10 possibly a 2-4 HE), but it is friendly and soft
There is a free shuttle to Taj (about 5-7 minute ride)
We ain't had one of these types of threads for awhile, so in honor of those of ya who think the 'phants stole the election, as well as my weekend viewing of all three Godfather movies; I present the best movies involving gangs/ongoing criminal enterprise, as opposed to straight ahead cops 'n robbers.
1. "Bad Lieutenant" - Who says a cop can't be a gangster? Keitel gives the performance of a lifetime(and this is also the best movie ever made about Christianity).
2. "The Godfather" & "GoodFellas"(tie) - One's a classic opera, the other a blazing rock concert. Depends on your mood.
4. "Fresh" - Trust me, please trust me. This is wonderful; it has plot twists that make "The Sixth Sense" look like a sixth "Rocky". Rent it; you'll love it.
5. "Scarface" - The whole Godfather trilogy on crack, with all the moralizing/pontificating thrown out the window.
6. "Menace II Society" - No rappin', preachin' or perpetratin' here, just the straight story.
7. "Once Upon A Time In America"(uncut) & "The Godfather Part II"(tie) - "Time" has the better script/story flow; "Part II" the stronger characters/acting.
9. "Clockers" - Spike Lee's least political movie, and his best("Do The Right Thing" is more a play/sermon). Great performance by Delray Lindo.
10. Any James Cagney movie - I'm not familiar with any but I think one probably belongs. "On The Waterfront" probably does, as well.
"Ghost Dog" - Give Forest Whitaker the Oscar now.
"Pulp Fiction" - Very good, but like "American Beauty" gets more overrated with each rewatching.
"Casino" & "Copland" - Hard for lightning to strike twice.
"King Of New York", "Dead Presidents", "Gang Related", & "Boyz 'N The Hood" - Noble efforts and great casts, esp. the supporting roles.
"Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead" - Greatest hitman name: "Mr. Shh"
"The Pope Of Greenwich Village" - Yes, it has Mickey Rourke, but it also has Burt Young.
"American Me" & "The Godfather Pt. III" - Both would've made far better books than movies.
1. "Colors" - Truly insulting to the audience's intelligence.
2. "Heat" - The most boring final half-hour in movie history, and the Pacino-De Niro diner scene was a giant disappointment.
3. "The Funeral" - Unbearablly pretentious.
If you liked Scarface, then, by all means, see the original Howard Hawks directed movie of the same name. Paul Muni's performance shines, and his slow-witted-sidekick (don't remember the actor's name) delivers a performance nothing short of sublime.
For Cagney, I recommend White Heat, but so will everyone else.
Also, Bogart's Duke Mantee in The Petrified Forest is the classic gangster. There's a great scene in which an ex-college football player threatens to take on Mantee, who then asks the guy where he played football. After he replies something like Delaware Tech, Mantee just delivers a withering look that screams, "Yeah, right!"
Don't forget New Jack City. And on a lighter note, The Freshman.
"A Bronx Tale" and "Good Fellas" I'd add "Donnie Brasco" to the list of reality mafia movies.
Of course not all gangster movies are about the mafia (Mothers And Fathers Italian Association) but I think the best ones are.
Good call on Bronx Tale. I loved that one.
The kid from Bronx tale turned up in Sopranos. He was the one who tried to kill Christopher and then got whacked personally by Tony and Big Pussy.
In one Sopranos episode, Chris, the character played by Michael Imperioli, shoots a bakery boy who gives him a hard time serving him in the knees.
I like to think that this is the series' director allowing Imperioli to get his blood back from getting shot in the knees by Joe Pesci in GoodFellas for giving him a hard time serving him. (Remember that kid Spider, who stutters? That was Imperioli.)
Not to be picky, Cyrus, but Pesci shot him in the foot.
"Dance, you %^&*&*()!"
Goodfellas and Godfather I & II are the nuts for me for gangster movies, but I did admire Menace II Society as well. As for music from gangster movies, I have never been able to listen to "Stuck in the Middle With You" the same after Reservoir Dogs.
The absolute worst afteraffect of "Dogs"(other than the spate of endless monologues in 'guy' movies) has been the sudden ubiquity of "Stuck" on classic rock stations.
I mean, it wasn't even a 'superhit' back in the day, not like "Brandy" or "Chevy Van", let alone equal to minor Stones or Zep songs..
However, "Stuck"'s rise is infinitely more explainable/bearable than the return of "Land Down Under", "Abracadabra" and "Centerfold". Speaking of bad song/weird movie scene, did you see "American Psycho"?
My favorite music in a gangster movie is "Gimme Shelter" while they're weighing out the coke, in "GoodFellas", or maybe "Atlantis" during the Billy Bats part.
Spaced it 'cause I haven't seen it. I've avoided "Bronx Tale" because I don't like Chazz Palmentieri, but I'll take a chance on it.
Speaking of which, does "The Usual Suspects" belong on the list?
I didn't think usual suspects was a gangster movie albit a good movie.
I want to be the Kisar Soca of poker :-)
I like Chazz he never did anyhing to me and is really good in this film which he wrote about his childhood.
His corner bar was exactly like my grandfathers pool room in Chicago's N/W side. The boys would hang out on the corner and god help anyone speeding through the neighborhood and guess what no kids ever disappeared from the neighborhood if a stranger showed up he'd get the 3rd degree and if he didn't have the right answers he got escorted out of the area and warned not to come back.
I just loved the biker kick ass scene in the movie - exactly how grandpa would have handeled it.
I thought Bad Lieutnenat was unbearably pretentious. Props on your Pope of Greenwich Village call, though.
Mickey Rourke, Eric Roberts and all of the character actors (including Burt Young) were awesome. The first 15 minutes of that movie, starting with Charlie's primping to "Summer Wind" and ending with Charlie and Pauly's arguing after he gets them fired from Sals, is my alltime favorite "scene". I have probably watched it over 100 times.
I also love the scene at the track where the horse has his feet in the garbage pail and Pauly get his tw cents in and the ganster says "What do you know about race horses, waiting tables is what you know and making cheese is what I know." And Pauly says "You know about making cheese ... tough like f**kin shoe leather." and the hood says "the Gargoozos never made tough mozarella in our life."
I just love all of the movie's hidden nuggets and dialouge like this. It gets better every time I watch it. (At least up until the 20th or so viewing).
King of NY and "Denver" are good calls, too. But then again, I would watch anything with Gabrielle Anwar in it. She just melts in your eyes like M&Ms melt in your mouth.
Even acclaimed gangster movies end a bit sweetly. Scarface (DePalma version) ends with the hero getting killed but what a blaze of white glory! White Heat same thing, top of the world. In Goodfellas, the bad guys get their commeuppance and Liotta gets the house in the suburbs. Pulp Fiction pulls a fast one and ends before the real ending, with the two heros both alive and kicking ass. (No need to point out that the hero is no longer the guy with the badge.)
No mistake, most of the movies listed by BillM and the others I see with great pleasure too. I think some of them are great works of art too. But I prefer an itsy bit more the really bitter endings, the ones that gut your stomach. "Nihilistic", I hear you say, and what can I say.
Example: Take the ending of The Long Good Friday. Alternating shots between close-ups of Bob Hoskins, sitting in the back seat and staring menacingly, angrily and helplessly, and of the stranger who has suddenly turned from the shotgun seat and pulled out a gun, points it to Hoskins as the car drives out of the city, and smiles sardonically. We stay finally with Hoskins, medium shot, for a long time. That final shot lasts forever and you know that when it cuts, he's going to shoot him. (The killer is a young Pierce Brosnan, chewing gum.)
Bob Hoskins, what a great actor. Remember his cameo in "The Wall"?
Speaking of British crime movies, "Shallow Grave" is great, but not really about gangsters, and "Lock, Stock.." is fun, but a cartoon. How about "The Lavender Hill Mob" with Alec Guinness?
The first forty minutes or so of "Romper, Stomper"(Aussie) are fantastic, but then it goes straight downhill.
And "Menace II Society" and "Bad Lt." are as nihilistic as it gets, IMO.
IMO, the French have made some of the best and most influential films in the genre. My personal favorite director of French gangster films is Jean-Pierre Melville. "Le Samourai" is his best; "Le Dolous" [The Fingerman] is also a standout, and "Bob le flambeur" [Bob the Gambler] will hold special appeal to those on this forum.
I also recommend "Du rififi chez les hommes" [Also just called Rififi] which has probably the best crime scene of any film I have seen. The director, Jules Dassin, was an American who left when he was blacklisted. You will notice that much of later noir and gangster films borrowed its tricks.
In no particular order:
1. Goodfellas 2. The Godfather 3. Casino 4. Donnie Brasco 5. The Pope Of Greenwich Village 6. White Heat 7. A Bronx Tale 8. Public Enemy 9. The St. Valentine's Day Massacre 10.Resevoir Dogs
I used to think having Albert Einstein’s brain in a jar by my bed would make me a much more intelligent human being. But, after having given it due consideration, I’ve decided that I would much rather have David Sklansky’s brain in a jar, by my bed. The only problem I forsee is that I might wake up in the morning with this incredible urge to run out and look for a wife.
Are you related to Jeffery Domer?
SPM,...it's getting scary out here syber space...
"rather have David Sklansky’s brain in a jar, "
Isn't it already in a jar? I believe Mason rents out the jar by the hour. $300 or so and you can have your wish.
If I had Skalansky's brain I wouldnt be sitting here typing on this computer.
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Overnight temperature in Edmonton: -35 C with a wind chill to -49 C.
SPM, can you lend me your jeep??
David "Decided to play at Paradise last night instead of walking to the casino.." Ottosen
Sorry no can do, the jeep is my freedom ticket to the land of hold'em.
SPM,...wheels of fortune...
what do you need a jeep for in your flatland country. there isnt a hill over three inches high for 200 miles in any direction. maybe ill come by this summer though on the way from jasper after i go thru the icefields hiway. i havnt been there in about 8 years and miss it. i know its cold up by you now but youre lucky you have a keyboard as the shivering doesnt show on the text.
Thats ok..its not too bad today.
High of -22 C, windchill only around -40 C.
Thats a brisk walk to work in the morning!
David "would love to see Ray Zee take on the 3-6 table at Baccarat!" Ottosen
Things are bad here, too. Took me almost 10 minutes this morning to warm up .. with my 3 wood at the driving range. Visibility was so abbreviated that I could barely see ... the balloonists on the outskirts of town. It took me thirty minutes to clear a path ... through all the leaves that had fallen in my courtyard. Street conditions were so bad, I had to put chains on .... my old basketball hoop as the nylon ones were just seeing too much wear. Weather got so bad I had to go buy myself a new pair of thick heavy gloves this week .... one for catching and one for playing first base. But I'm trying to deal with these Arizona Decembers. brrr.
1. The disenfranchisement of Afro-Americans and Jewish people. I’m not sure what the poster who identifies himself as Adolph Bush is referring to but I assume that he is referring to the “no votes” and the “double votes.” I’m not being flippant here but how do we know beyond a reasonable doubt that these two groups of people mainly cast the vast majority of these votes? If these two groups were disenfranchised wouldn’t we have to state that they were disenfranchised because they cast the vast majority of the “no votes” and the “double votes?” If an assumption is being made without proof regarding the identity of who made these voting errors what does it say about the people’s opinions, regarding these two groups, who are making these assumptions without apparent proof? I certainly would be willing to read an intelligent discussion as to how it was determined that these two groups made the vast majority of these voting errors.
2. Were the people who cast the “no votes” and the “double votes” disenfranchised? This is a good question that is worth debating. On one hand it seems that the vast majority of people casting votes using the same voting machines got it right. On the other hand, there was a significant amount of voting errors that could have been avoided. If there is one thing that the election has shown is that there is a lot of voting equipment that needs to be upgraded and modernized throughout this country. Certainly each individual voter has the responsibility to make sure that there ballot is completed correctly but it is also true that some voters can meet this responsibility much easier than others due to modern voting equipment. So yes the people who committed these errors have culpability in this but it is not 100% in my mind.
3. What was the remedy for this disenfranchisement? Of course a manual count of these votes that were not counted is right but the issue of what standard does one use to count these votes to determine voter intend created a huge controversy. I’m not a lawyer so I don’t understand why the Florida Supreme Court never set a standard. The lack of a standard seemed to be the most objectionable item to the US Supreme Court as seven of the Justices seemed to have a problem with this.
4. I’m not very knowledgeable about the law but I don’t understand why the Florida Supreme Court, from their own motion, held a hearing to extend the protest phase of the Florida election when the Florida law seems to be clear when it should end. It seems that if the Florida Supreme Court had kept the original date in place, there would have been ample time to complete the contest phase.
5. I think the Republican and Democratic parties have many things they should be ashamed of in their conduct during the past 35 days. A pox on both their houses.
This could have all been avoided if the state had used optical ballot counting in all counties rather than 40 year old equipment. We have been using Optical readers in public schools for as long as I can remember.
Blacks were 13% of the population in Florida and represented over 15% of the vote. I don't see how that represents being "disenfranchised". The only one's disenfranchised by the Bush victory are professional busybodies like Jesse Jackson who rely on a complicit Democrat infrastructure to perpetuate their blackmail of the American people and its capitalist, government, and legal institutions.
That said, I think spending some money on state-of-the-art voting equipment is warranted. But it should be done in conjunction with enhanced measures to purge the roles of felons, aliens, and other non-citizens who are currently voting.
If you had the guts you post also your e-mail address to, but then again demented liberal such as you are quick to drop their pants and touch their ankles,when the going gets rough.
remember the white trash thread a while back before his 3 week disappearance?
funny how it's always Republicans that are supposed to be the racists.
maybe he can go march with jesse "hymietown" jackson.
First, it seems to me that the voter should have a responsibility to vote properly. The following instructions were in the infamous voting booths..
AFTER VOTING, CHECK YOUR BALLOT CARD TO BE SURE YOUR VOTING SELECTIONS ARE CLEARLY AND CLEANLY PUNCHED AND THERE ARE NO CHIPS LEFT HANGING ON THE BACK OF THE CARD.
However, if the situation were reversed, and Gore had held a miniscule lead and the improperly cast votes had been from a GOP stronghold then I would lay 100-1 that Katherine Harris would not have been so hasty to certify the results and would in fact insisted on a hand count. Sadly ,it seems that just about everyone involved has been more concerned with producing a result to thier liking then in reaching an ultimate just conclusion
Katherine Harris was an elected political official, whose duties include overseeing elections for the executive branch. Getting outraged when politicians act politically is a bit silly.
of course we know that you are jealous of her, and that you long to fellate the criminal yourself.
hey chump what is your e-mail address, I thought you had to have a e-mail address to get on this forum
Katherine Harris was simply follwing the law of Florida.
This year's election, despite what the pundits say, lays bare the myth that an individual's vote really counts for something. What we have learned is that, within a certain acceptable margin of error, many votes count, but individual votes do not. Yet the media will continue to trumpet the importance of every American showing up to cast a ballot. Indeed, this year's election, perhaps better than any other, shows the individual vote is really worth very little. Sad state of affairs.
No offense, but can you think of anything where a difference of one-one hundred millionth makes much of a difference?
None taken. No. But that's my point; the myth sustains our belief system, like all good myths do. Have you seen The Legend of Liberty Valance? The line goes something like this: "When the legend and the facts contradict each other, print the legend." Well, listen to all these pundits spouting the myth.
Of course, that should be The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
Go to www.e-thepeople.com there are many petitions that you can sign
Nice to see you found the peoper forum on your 2nd try. You must have been a whining Palm Beach County overvote!
then we don't have to put up with your feces anymore
Go to www.e-thepeople.com there are many petitions that you can sign
Give it up. Al Snore lost and we have a great president. Everything will work out just fine.
I believe that true geniuses reflect this trait in many aspects of their lives. Not only is Ed Hill a poker genius, he is right on the money with politics, too.
Have you ever noticed that republicans, in general, just don't seem quite as intelligent as their democratic counterparts? I think that many of the ideals of democratic ideaology are simply too complex or refined for many to understand.
Those who cannot grasp those concepts become repunlicans because the following 'logic' makes sense and appeals to them:
'Let's give prayer in school a try because it couldn't hurt and it might do some good.'
'I saw a help wanted sign over at the Piggly Wiggly so there is no excuse to be unemployed or on welfare.'
'Unions force corporations to pay their employees more, and that means higher prices for the rest of us, and that's a bad thing. Therefore we should get rid of unions.'
'The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin so our government should work to discourage the spread of this disease.'
'The constitution says we can bear arms, so liberals who want to limit the spread of guns aren't real Americans!' (On the other hand, it IS ok to limit some people's constitutional rights as long as there is a chance they might be a crack dealer, or black, or poor, or all of the above.)'
See, to most republicans, these statements make perfect sense. And sure, if these statements made sense to ME, I might be a republican too. But I, and most other democrats/liberals, are intelligent enough to see the fallacies in these statements.
If you are one of the people who isn't intellient enough to see the fallacies in these statements, you have no hope of getting my point.
Hats off, once again, to Mr. Hill.
Maybe this is payback bigtime to you suckouts who stole the election from Nixon in 1960 he he he.
You didn't address anything he said in his post. All you do is spout inflammatory comments.
if you'd quit licking his ass, and come up for air , maybe you'd realize that you have a mind of your own.
If you would get a life and stop trolling, maybe you could find something cool to do with your life. Sew yourself a blouse or something. Better than making assinine posts.
I wouldn't want that Sklansky homosexual slut defaming my genetic pool.I'd do humanity a favor. Maybe you should think about it!
you are a seriously sicko pal.............
THE real nightstick which is me has a email address attached to the threads....the above threads are the work of a sick individual who never uses an email address.
Nixon didnt even contest the election ,even tho it was stoled from him check it out ... probably to young to remember.
You responded to Smooth B's post, which had nothing to do with the 1960 Presidential election. In fact, none of this post has to do with the 1960 election. Do irregularities in the 1960 election make irregularities in the 2000 election acceptable?
Amen to your post. You forgot some of my all time favorites:
"That Reagan guy was great for the economy."
"There will always be poor people, so why try and help them out?"
The TiVo gadget for your tv. Michael Madsen in Reservoir Dogs until he tortures that guy. Rudyard Kipling poetry. Maxfield Parrish prints. Ray Zee. No limit ring games. Pixies rock band. European or American motorcycles. Yukon Cornelius. stainless steel refrigerator. electric nose hair clipper. Cable modem. Fusion food restaurants in NYC. Jalapeno peppers. beer. George Clooney. Elmore Leonard novels. freedom. flyfishing. pocket aces. straight flush draw. business class. convertibles. Bridget Fonda. Audrey Hepburn. The Archive apartment building. Bay Area. whitewater rafting. fish with big sails and bills. short box pickup truck. live music. pain killers that work. Greek Isles. Linda Mann still life paintings. Polish historical fiction. Sam Cooke. Oliver Peoples sunglasses. electoral college. new U.S. dollar coin. vending machines. cognac. Tupelo Honey. online shopping for Xmas. good swiss mechanical watch. statue of David. Grand Central Station. diversified stock portfolio. Yankees baseball dynasty. road trip through Europe on the rail. Bill of Rights. Lonesome Dove miniseries. Zippo lighter. Costa Rica. Russell Crowe. good water pressure in the shower. mortgage interest tax deduction. ranch dressing. good health. contact lenses.
I am sure I am forgetting a lot.
Writer/director Michael Mann, Lucky Strikes, Rolex, those wooden matches with the white tips that you can use your thumbnail to light...
Robert Nesta Marley, Pocket Rockets holding up, sucking out on someone else's rockets, smallmouth bass on the fly in running water, bamboo flyrods, hardy perfect reels, muscle back blade irons, Jason Zubak (even though he lost this year), Zeider drivers, pre-Titleist Scotty Cameron putters, Caymus Connundrum, Old Portrero sour mash...
Flopping the nuts. Ice cream headaches. Hitting a 2-iron stiff. A child's smile. Chivas. The buffet at Bellagio. Prairie sunsets. The 14th tee at Jasper Park Lodge golf course. Bidding and making a Grand Slam. Volunteer work. Good friends. Season tickets for the Oilers when The Great One was at his peak. Drawing to the button for the win (Canadians will understand). A great movie. A tender steak. Bleu cheese. Chilean wines. Your mom. Celtics-Suns triple OT game. Snapping off a bluff. Pushing through a bluff. Chicken wings. Clean air. Vegas at night. Getting to meet Rick N. and Jim B. The Rocky mountains. A young William Holden. A well written letter. A surprise gift. Patsy Cline. Skating outdoors. Mozart.
I've got the feeling this will be a "killer" thread.
The sound a gulping trout makes. The sound of running water.The lack of sound(manmade). Peace and quiet. Solitude.
My last night/this morning:
Three of the best friends the world has to offer. A Rock and Roll show for no cover one block from home. Gin and Tonics for 1.49. Bumping into old friends in the drink line. The best goddam 1977 style punk rock in Seattle played by 4 guys all dressed up like Jesus (The Briefs). Dancing your $^@#%7 ass off with your friends and a new lady you really dig. Waking up with said lady and lots of clothes on the floor. Getting a call from your boss right after the alarm goes off saying take the day off. Knowing you'll do it all again tomorrow.
I dunno why, just got a thing for red heads right now
Bridget Fonda is hot, hot, hot.
Yankee's baseball dynasty is, as they say in these parts, caca.
Michael, greetings from Poland.
I'm curious, what Polish historical fiction you thought of?
The Trilogy, of course. And Pan Tadeusz, too.
seeing something from nature for the first time(like a banana slug)-a smile-afrown- a light wind on your face-clear air-a big win-getting even for the day-the look on the face on the kid selling cookies or candy after you buy all they have-spring-your favorite song-bears-releasing a big trout-an old pair of shoes-my plane starting when in the backcountry-the top of a peak-old movies-gigling babies-harleys-getting in the water-ice skating-long drives-the exchange forum-picasso-old cars-stearmans and fairchilds-double ender sailboats-wombats-kissing-trees-mushrooms-wildflowers- spagetti-long hair-good beer-nonsmoking places-old books-poems-quiet vacumn cleaners-remote car starters- houses with gables-quiet
...when the dog bites, when the bee stings, when I'm feeling sad...rain drops and roses...jessica alba...and whiskers on kittens...jessica alba...brown paper packages tied up with strings...jessica alba...crisp apple strudles...jessica alba...and snitchel with noodles...jessica alba...snow flakes that stay on my nose and eye lashes...jessica alba...
Lots of money, time, and good health.
Skating onto the ice for the first time in winter... making eye contact... inside jokes... posting and getting responses from Zee, Sklansky, and Brier telling you you played correctly... the plane landing safely... insomnia and a 3 am showing of the WSOP on TV... Radium Hot springs in the fall... Canada in general
His bankroll supplying lawyer girlfriend...!!
Who was a bitch that hated poker and dumped him flat.
Jo - also known as Gretchen Mol not bad but NO Petra.
I got three words for ya'll: "The Hot Spot".
Insulin because I'd be dead and would have missed this thread. My wife, because it's okay with her that I'm a hold'em junkie. David & Mason and all the poker writers, because they gave me the gosple of hold'em. Seeing my grandson born, no words can describe it. 2+2 therapy for a troubled mind.
SPM,...and best of all, the coolest, all my teenage childern are now adults... :)
Palamino Club in LV.
Use it or lose it.
You cant change the rules once the contest has started, everytime the count came back BUSH was ahead, and we wouldnt went this far if it wasnt for those N.Y.U. trickster lawyers using every delaying tactic loophole for their own personal adgenda.......its almost like I won a good pot in holdem while Im racking the chips,you liberals demand to replay the hand again, not once but five times until you get your way.....now on to other things in life.
Typical of the eloquence I expect from a republican. You sir are a worthy representative of your party.
All you voters are alike, you all missed the real lesson in this election. Our system works, we have checks an balances and they played out and America moves on. Time for you guys to find something else to complain about.
SPM,...didn't vote, so I get the government I deserve, and my life won't change one little bit...
Dont rest on your laurels SPM, these liberals would like nothing better than to turn America into socialist country, then you will see a change in your life, mine as will. There will be no limit to the tax increase in that day...
Egiht years of Clinton, still eating, still have roof over my head. and most important Poker, poker, poker.
SPM,...where's the change...
The ultimate racist, promoter of arson, instigator of. riots , snakeoil, yes by all means necessary, Louis Farrakan's lacky, the truth and the american way.
Otherwise known as a political ambulance-chaser.
Jesse Jackass used to show up in England and get things all Brixton residents worked up and inflamed when he'd leave riots would break out.
Jesse - the best thing that ever happened to the TV and VCR industry.
After a Jesse riot all the boyzinthehood have new TV's and VCRs.
Guess the it's time for a new TV.
1.anyone that doesn't believe in Mein Kampf. 2. anyone else that doesn't agree with Rounder.
Hey I resent that.
Calling a spade a spade (no pun intended) does not make me a racist maybe not so PC but a racist i am not.
Rev.Jackson is a moderate. Perhaps the views of Farahkan would serve you better. I understand why Backs resent and hate Anglos.Its amazing that Blacks show the tolerance and participation that they do given that open bigotry, racial profiling, police brutality, redlining, and other forms of Jim Crow deisenfranchisement flourish in the USA. I have no understanding why Europeans hate Africans. Perhaps they feel sexually inferior...
you are obVIOUSLY liberal white male,weak passive holdem player, who would sell is ass on the street for survival, your such a gutless coward you wont even give us a user name or any name. Dont sit there and type what black people feel because your not black. Everything has to be hyphen-nated by you liberals,restricted free speech(POLITICAL CORRECTNESS).Yea your probably any-2-card town type of holdem player....might even throw flag burner and draft dodger in.
"Perhaps they feel sexually inferior... "
Sounds like Malcom X still lives. Maybe I'll see him with Elvis late some night at my local 7-11
Rounder might be bigoted but that doesn't mean he is actually a racist.
Racism goes beyond mere bigotry. In other words, all racists are probably by definition bigots as well, but not all bigots are necessarily racists.
My guess is that Rounder is partially bigoted.
Rounder may not be a racist in the sense that he burns crosses on anyone's lawns, but you can tell he is pretty intolerant of those whose views don't coincide with him. You can tell from both his political and poker posts that he really doesn't care much for people with views different than him. He has a certain idea about what is wrong and right by him, and anyone who doesn't conform with this way of thinking isn't thinking right and should go away. A lot of conservatives in this country are like that. It's not that they have a passionate hatred for any given group- the poor, minorities, women whatever. It's just that these people and their problems interfere with the plan of keeping taxes as low as possible and the government as small as possible (other than the military). So they rather all these people and their problems go away. They consider them a nuisance.
So he is outspoken and doesnt agree with you so what of it, are your feelings that tender, just by reading your threads I you're weak passive type just like your holdem game, Rounders is tight agressive,and will run right over you, thats one of the reasons I like this forum, I get a pretty psycological profile of all you players to my advantage, like a scouting report.
Thats the most moderate analysis I've seen on this warped forum ever.
The way people think can be applied to poker theory,how they think through their hands and your following along with them is a considerable edge, that thread Ship It started about Johnny Chan was a perfect example about how the frenchman (Johnny thinking along with him ) thought and giving a diffinate reason (edge) for him having two high diamonds in the pocket.... you can almost tell from these threads the weak passive types to the tight agressive types to the doesnt have a clue types. This is one of the theorums of poker "thinking along with your opponent, in his head knowing how he plays in a given sitituation" is a considerable edge.... If I ever play these guys even the sensitive types in any casino USA I will a nice edge on them even these whining liberal sorts.
I bet you have lynched an African or two. Well, if there is a god in heaven, you will certainly be condemned to hell.
THIS THREAD HERE is a sign of a guttless liberal coward, who spew venemous lies whenever you dont agree with his adgenda. Question??? how does this spineless jellyfish get on this forum without an -mail address???
Because cowards like anomymity!!!
have fun in hell..racist pig.
you got my ire and wrath conservative-phobic imbecile.
Going to install a program to trace your your sicko ass punk!!! next time you use my user and email I lock on to you.....
If I could have one wish, it would be that the world could accept the fact that different isn't a bad thing.
SPM,...fear of different is insane...
when you see some one different you can usually see your own shortcomings and thats not pleasant.
An insightful observation.
I think often when we look at someone with distaste or disgust for a certain characteristic which they possess, it is because we see the same characteristic in ourselves to a lesser extent. The exaggeration of this characteristic in them is like a caricature of that which we dislike or are afraid of in ourselves, and it is like a mirror showing us something we would rather not see.
ill go out on a limb here and say a lot of the time i dont like people (or groups or subcultures or whatever) because theyre doing stuff that i was beaten for as a child.
as an aside, i never understand what people mean when they attack ray zee for not using caps. (he doesn't keep the lid on or something?)
Seeing Zee not using caps makes them all the more aware of how much they think it is a pain in the neck to have to use caps. So it is like a mirror showing their inconvenient and needless conformity. Sort of like a person who routinely dresses in business suits envying someone who always wears sweats and tees.
10. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest--you think it's not a western? Look Again.
9. The Sheepmen--Glenn Ford as a ex-gunslinger sheep farmer. Great scene in which Ford's character shows off his gunslinging prowess.
8. Bad Day at Black Rock--great modern western with Spencer Tracy. Makes the list ahead of High Noon.
7. Shane--watch for Jack Palance's gunslinger's entrance into the bar; the dissolve is fabulous. Only the devil moves this way.
6. My Darling Clementine--Col. Potter said this had the three things that makes movies great--horses, Henry Fonda, and horses. Victor Mature's recitation of Hamlet's "To be or not to be" is one of the great moments of his career, and one of the great moments in all westerns.
5. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance--John Wayne as the man who knows too much.
4. Stagecoach--has all the archetypes. Film buffs should watch for Ford's breaking the 180 degree rule, and note John Carradine's performance.
3. Unforgiven--probably doesn't belong on the list, but I'm interested in how popular culture portrays writers.
2. Broken Arrow--one from my youth, and I'm with Pauline Kael on this one. Does anybody not like this movie?
1. The Searchers--by far the best western ever made. An indictment of racism and hate. John Wayne's best performance. Note how the hitching post demarcates the boundry between civilization and anarchy; the same image appears later in the film when Scar's lance, hungs with scalps, divides the screen horizontally, thereby forging the link between Wayne's character and Scar. Also, the closeup of Wayne after he says the two mad girls ain't white anymore might be one of the most terrifying moments in film history. Just think, GiGi was named best picture that year. Huh?
Once Upon a Time in the West.
I agree whole-heartedly with Shane, the Searchers, Stage Coach, Libert Valance, and Clementine, but would find a spot for these four among the others. Shane and High Noon are tops on my list, but then again I'm a romantic. I also think the Wild Bunch and Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid are top-notch.
And if you're going to count Cuckoo's Nest as a Western, can I count Chinatown or Out of Sight?
Now hold on pardner. You've left out The Ox-Bow Incident (1943) also Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969).
Get off your meds: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (it's not a western)
Green Light:Shane; My Darling Clementine; The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (Lee Marvin, yeah!); Stagecoach
Red Light: Unforgiven (over-rated; constipation just watching him nowadays); The Sheepmen (Glenn Ford as a ex-gunslinger)
Waiting Room: The Sheepmen (haven't seen it); Broken Arrow (ditto).
Don't worry, you had a brainwave gap : THE WILD BUNCH; McCABE AND MRS MILLER; original STAR WARS (you think it's not a western? Look Again); any western starring Clint Eastwood+Eli Wallach+Lee Van Cleef; RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY.
He's trying to come off like an intellectual by saying Nest is a western. Dont forget The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and the Dollar movies with Clint Eastwood.
Me, an intellectual? C'mon Just ask Rick Nebiolo; he tell you I ain't so hot.
Cyrus, my bete noir,
Should have made it top twenty; of course Ride the High Country. Randolph Scott--enough said. Saw it one time, great expectations because it was in a theater, but the projectionist forgot the anamorphic lens. Damn!
The director's cut of The wild Bunch is great; a close decision for me, but I wanted to throw in some oddballs.
Unforgiven; didn't you note my caveat?
The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly--fabulous on DVD; comes with added footage, and perhaps the second best soundtrack of any western (The Magnificant Seven comes first--James Coburn, Yeah!).
Watch Cuckoo's Nest again.
Agree with Star Wars; also, Outpost is a great sci-fi western.
Outpost is High Noon. Not even by accident.
With Sean Connery in the Gary Cooper role? It was called Outland, not Outpost, wasn't it?
Outland starring Sean Connery.
1981, directed by Peter Hyams.
1 - 10. High Noon. I understand the problems modern audiences have with it: Gary Cooper fails in his attempt to form a committee to deal with the bad guys. What's more, he shoots them instead of sitting down with them and getting everyone to share their feelings.
Runners up in no particular order.
Fist Full of Dollars
Mc Cabe and Mrs. Miller. Pollitically correct AND best depiction of a professional poker player AND best sound track.
Cat Ballou. Lee Marvin. 'Nuff said.
Water Hole #3
The one where Kirk Douglas gets himself thrown in jail to see his friend, then breaks out to be chased by Walter Mattheu before being hit by Archi Bunker driving a truck.
The Samuai movie where Mifune kills the bad guy at the end without correctly drawing his sword. (White Camelia?)
Rio Bravo - Best John Wayne depiction of racism.
My weird pick: A Boy and His Dog.
Lonely Are the Brave.
Thanks. And, of course, now I am reminded of another flick where the hero gets run over in the end, The Ballad of Cable Hogue. For some reason always a favorite of mine. Can't remember the name of the actor who plays the scoundral of a preacher, but he steals the show.
There are so many but "The Wild Bunch" is tops on my list. I happen to like violent movies and this one gives violence on the silver screen a whole new meaning. The gatling gun show down with the bunch taking on the entire Mexican Army is one of the best gun fight scenes ever made.
All the Eastwoods and Dukes westerns are worth seeing.
"Good bad and ugly" and "Josie Wales" are great Clint efforts and "the Shootest" was the Dukes last and one of his best IMHO the Dukes best was "The Cowboys" I think up to that point he never got killed in a movie.
I happened to like "Dances with wolves" and also on my all time any type of move favs is "last of the Mohicans" with Daniel Day Lewis - wow Chingachakok (sp) was great - how you'd like to play heads up NL HE with that guy.
Not to slight any others it is like trying to pick your fav child when it comes to movies. Watching movies is what I do when not on the computer or felt - see I have no real life.
Not a western but a fav. of mine the movie about white guys killing a lot of minorities (not PC) is "Zulu" - with Stanley Baker and a very young Michael Cane his 1st movie ever. If you like blood shed this one is for you.
Top Ten movies with white guys killing minorities.
In Zulu, weren't the white guys the minority?
That's right! It's about empowerment after all.
It's easy to like The Wild Bunch and the really good westerns. The point is more clearly made than in any other genre. Some of the really good westerns of course don't go across that well (eg McCabe And Mrs Miller) but the point is this : someone starts his list with the good 'uns but then his list starts going downhill until it goes on to include junk like Dances With Wolves (a horror movie; I was afraid it wasn't meant as a parody, and it wasn't). Then you know that he's not picking favorites, he's just a sucker for anything with cowboy hats, southerns accents, revolvers on the belt, a saloon scene and lotsa fake blood.
Which is not such a bad thing, as bad things go, alright?
My favorite western was the TV mini-series "Lonesome Dove" with Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall in the lead rolls. Nothing on the big screen has come close IMO.
PS: The book was great too.
I liked "Lawman" with Burt Lancaster. Made in 1971 starring Burt Lancaster, Lee J.Cobb, and Robert Ryan. Graphic and gutsy. Check it out.
No one mentioned "Red River". Great movie with John Wayne where he actually acted. Directed by John Ford. It is a western version of "Mutiny on the Bounty".
Not a top ten, but "Support Your Local Sheriff" with Jim Garner is very funny.
Without looking at others:
1. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly 2. A Fistful of Dynamite 3. A Fistful of Dollars 4. The Searchers 5. Blazing Saddles
In no particular order: 1. The Magnificent seven 2. Unforgiven 3. The Searchers 4. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly 5. The Wild Bunch 6. The Long Riders 7. True Grit 8. Shannendoah (sp?) 9. The Outlaw Josie Wales 10.Fort Apache
I just wanted to share that I got home the other day, and found, in the mail, a brand new six foot 2 wt that a friend made for me. I paid for it, of course, so I was expecting it, but it was a pleasant surprise nonetheless. Add to that, Yesterday, in the mail, I finally received the wf2f line that I had mail ordered. There's some action around here in the winter, but I think I'll break it in in a couple of weeks when I go home to Hawaii for the holidays. I have a few sleeper smallmouth bass streams there whose fish (~10") would be a blast on a 2 wt rod. I'll be thinking of you two, up there in Montana, when I'm wet wading, fishing running water for smallies, and fishing a brand new, custom made rod...in december!!
good for you with your 2 wt. id suggest dental floss instead of fly line with that toothpick:). it will be fun though. ive even gone down to a sage sp 9 ft. 4 wt. for most of my fishing. the sac. river is really good now i hear for decent bows to 20inches. around redding. someone i know well was catching 30 a day, no lies. i might try it in jan. as ill be there i hope in north. ca. you need to float it i guess as ive never fished it in the winter time.
not sure about the sac, but the yuba has been going off for steelhead and resident rainbows. check out this link http://www.flyfishnorcal.net/ for info on norcal fishing. the message board has great info and people will readily answer your questions.
I'm thinking of taking the two weight up to the sierras this summer for some brookie or golden fishing. really a rod for small fish/small streams, but you're right: it will be a fun stick.
I've heard the same. I used to get in some fishing on my poker trips to the Casino Club(lowball) Nice water even though I skunked. I heard its better now than it was in the 70s and early 80s. I did okay Upper Sac around Dunsmire. Do you like steelhead? Small trib to Sac a few miles south of Redding, Battle Creek. Hatchery on trib but lots of fish. I fished it a few times, 5 wt and the same technique as Madison, short line nymphing with egg flies. Fish 3-6 lbs occasional salmon 20-30 lbs. Id straighten rod and break em off. Small stream easily waded. Also west on upper Trinity special streach of fly only water,browns rainbows steelhead and salmon. Also good fly water. The Fly Shop just south of town was good source of info. I realize you are probably aware of this. I just get carried away at times about fishing. Have a great trip, post a report on return.
New rods are cool. I use a 9' 4 wt for most of my fishing now. Let me know how your new rod casts and handles fish. If I'm not mistaken Lee Wulff was one of the first to tackle large fish with a light rod. Its still somewhat contrversial. I had someone get on my case when I was describing how I broke a 8' 4 wt while fishing the Madison yrs ago. With the new technology and in the hands of a capable fisherman I think fish can be landed and released quickly. The western wind does play havoc at times and I switch to a 5 wt, but then I'm not the best caster. Enjoy and I hope you post some ffish stories about expierences with your 2 wt, enjoy.
Sounds like a great rod. I'm the 9' 4st. type too, but I can imagine some fun spots here in WA for that baby. In college in Bellingham, WA, some buddies and I used to run to this shithole lake behind a WalMart and fish poppers for tiny bass. Coulda used that rod then. Those were days; outta class at 2. Fishing at 2:30.
in college at davis, we used to keep a bass in an aquarium. had to catch food for him, so I'd pick up some bluegill on my 6 wt. sure wish I had a two wt. then.
hangovers. traffic. taxes. madonna. KK against AA. madonna. hypocrites. whiskers. growing old. warm beer. flat beer. pro basketball. dogma. toll booths. boy bands. domestic air travel. whitefish. bad breath. atlantic city. movies made from old bad tv shows. most disco. totalitarianism. the political figure skating, diving, boxing, or gymnastics olympic "judge". folding the best hand. seat belt and helmet laws. dinosaur rock. war on drugs. wind chill factor. leeches. common cold. four hour baseball games. angle shooters. myopia. bureaucracy. inconsiderate smokers. contents of package settling during shipment and handling. public school system. shea stadium. downward earnings revision. moving into the bug blind. did I mention taxes?
..and any other kind of extra rake cardroom promotions.
Tournaments where the blinds go up too fast. Entrance fees, rakes and time charges that are too high.
The destruction of the old Mirage poker room's games and atmosphere.
Politics, religion and war.
Hollywood celebrities preaching and pontificating.
Working. Traffic. Telephones, fax machines, non-personal e-mail, pagers, cell phones.
Days not on the beach or mountains, nights without poker and sex(not necessarily in that order or separately), meals without sushi or mole sauce.
Weightlifting machines as opposed to free weights(except for the reverse hyper machine).
Is there a plan to replace Shea Stadium? I thought I heard it during the Series.
Don't forget eye surguries.
Living in New York, I am in a terget-rich environment.
10. Ed Burns at Puffy's Tavern 9. Derek Jeter at Dakota 8. Christy Turlington roller blading along the Hudson 7. Chazz Palmeteri eating at Bubby's 6. Billy Crystal, Ron Howard, Henry Kissinger, Ted Turner and Jane Fonda at game 6 of the 1996 World Series. 5. PJ O'Rourke at a business dinner in Tarrytown 4. Monica Lewinsky at the Archive Apartment(3 times) 3. Ed Norton playing 4-8 HE at the Diamond Club 2. Fisher Stevens (geek actor who once dated Michelle Pfieffer at Sosa Borella 1. JFK, jr. and Caorlyn Besette walking doen the street in Tribeca.
i saw vince vaughn at the village idiot a couple nights ago. but he and we didn't get along too well and a friend of mine almost got into a fight with him.
speaking of the idiot, shandra is so hot. want to touch the hiney.
dmx was friends with this girl in my building last year and he used to come to columbia and hang out all the time. but they're not friends anymore.
katie holmes is always thinking about coming here and you can often see her taking tours and walking around.
julia styles goes here too, but she is nicht so hot in person.
i am pretty good friends with the guy who played the kid in tea with musillini, or some other similar movie i have no intention of seeing.
the girl who played rogue goes here and went to at least one of my frat's parties, but i dont know her name and i wouldn't recognize her. so i dont know if i saw her.
that's just six, but i've only been here a year and a half.
10 David Sklansky in the poker room at the Bellagio (from afar) 9 Spud Webb at Arden Fair Mall in Sacramento 8 Benny Agbayani almost every week while growing up in Hawaii (played ball with him for four or five years) 7 Gary Payton at his apartment at Oregon State (knew his roommate) 6 Mason Malmuth at Bellagio 5 Huck Seed sweating my pocket kings at Bellagio (actually he was there with some cute girl ho was sitting next to me, but I had the hand and I dragged the pot, so he was there to see me, as far as I'm concerned) 4 Howie of the Backstreet Boys (wouldn't recognize him again, but my wife knows who he is) 3 Andre Puyans (creator of the AP nymph series of flys) at a friend's tying class 2 Yuji Okamoto (bad guy in Karate Kid II) at a picknick in Hawaii 1 Dennis Rodman at the batting cages in Sacramento I was in the far right stall and i pulled a ball into the far left one. I noticed that I hit the guy in there so I went to see if he was alright. my jaw dropped when I realized that I had just hit dennis rodman
8. Walking into a U2/Public Enemy concert next to Flavor Flav.
7. Guarding Donald Hayes (now a WR for the Carolina Panthers in a high school basketball game.
6. Driving alongside Dennis Farina on the interstate outside of Chicago.
5. Shaking hands with former UW men's basketball coach Dick Bennett in church.
4. Being denied an autograph by Mario Andretti at the Indy 500 (and I was in my Cub Scout uni and everything!).
3. Chris Farley with his mom at the grocery store in Madison, WI.
2. While working as a front desk clerk at a hotel in Milwaukee: Norm McDonald, Robert Cray, Coolio, comedian George Wallace and fantasy author Margaret Weis.
1. Shaking hands with Judge Robert Bork at a picnic in Virginia.
This is a string I have going and hope to keep up.
8. John F. Kennedy in a motorcade (convertable)in Los Angeles 1960 --20 feet away.
7. Richard Nixon in a motorcade (convertable)in Los Angeles 1960--20 feet away.
6. Lyndon Johnson (as President) giving a speech on the Los Angeles City Hall steps 1964?--15 feet away
5. Gerald Ford at another's fund raising party after his Presidency. Shook hands, talked for 2 or 3 minutes had picture taken.
4. Jimmy Carter at a rally in downtown Los Angeles--100 feet away.
3. Ronald Reagan at a different fund raising party between his Governership and Presidency. Shook hands, talked for about 5 minutes regarding another's campaign.
2. George Bush at a rally in 1988. 30 feet away.
1. Bill Clinton when he got out of the car while touring my neighborhood after the 1994 Northridge earthquake. 40 feet away. Security was very tight. If you were not standing where his car stopped, you were not allowed to move closer. Many LAPD enforcing this.
0. Dubya is yet to come.
I have a good friend from Arkansas whose Mom met Clinton back in his gov days up close many times and she said he always had bad breath. Could you tell if this was true from 40 feet away?
I couldn't tell. The wind was blowing away from me.
Tia or Tamera Mowry(sister sister) held the door open for me as I was entering Macy's in Brea last Christmas Eve. She was Gorgeous!
Justine Bateman(family ties)was at some church in LA that had asked for volunteers the day after the LA riots ended. I was walking down a narrow hallway carrying a box of food, and here she comes walking towards me.
Paul Ruebens driving in a bright red car with the top down in Irvine Cal. dressed up entirely as Pee-wee. (Pre-spanking his monkey in public)
Eva Gabor at the play "The Gin Game" (with Hume Cronyn and Jesica Tandy, early 80's). Some female fan wouldn't leave her alone. Finally some usher had to escort the fan back to her seat.
1. David Sklansky - High Limit Section at Bellagio's picking the next race.
2. Mason Malmuth - 20-40 Stud game at the Mirage wishing he could play in the high limit section at Bellagio's with David and the other adults.
3. Pretty Boy Nebiolo - Hollywood Park Restroom complaining about bad beats to anyone that would listen
4. Fossilman - Final table of the WPF with 3 players left and chip leader... Oops didn't he finish third. Sorry Fossil
5. John Cole - On his high Horse (with no name )wearing his weather beaten hat praying for just one more Q,Ts.
6. MAH and Dianne from GB - Orleans Open wishing that they had never met me.
7. Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, and Some other guy, maybe Lenny Martin- the High limit section of Bellagio's asking Sklansky for an Autograph and Sklansky just laughing.
8. Mary - Dragging John from his high horse seat at Foxwoods to the car while giving him CPR and Screaming "You have to go to work"
9. Mike Caro - page in Cardplayer Mag. He doesn't really exist. He is a composite of Sklansky, Malmuth and Abdul with John Feeney determining his obtuse behavior and some guy with weird hair getting paid to put his picture in the magazine
10. Will Smith at the high limit section at Bellagio's
1) I used to work at Borders Books headquarters. Authors used to swing through on book tours all the time. One day I'm in the cafeteria waiting in line to pay for a big greasy piece of pizza. I hear this voice behind me say "OOOooooooh loooooooooook! He's got pizza!". I turn around and I'm face to face with Richard Simmons. Sometimes I think this was a dream. But I've got witnesses.
2) John Malkevich. I went to see the preview of a play at the Steppenwolf theater in Chicago and he was directing. He sat in the row behind us on the aisle. He wore white socks just like in "Being J.M." which I hadn't seen yet. If I had, I would have said "You were great in the movie where you played a jewel thief" when I walked by him.
3) When I was twelve, my family was staying in the same hotel as the Cars and I rode up in an elevator with Ric Ocasek and either the drummer or the other guitar player. It wasn't Benjamin Orr (RIP) or the keyboard player.
4) I saw Connie Chung in NYC outside the Dakota. She wasn't with Derek Jeter. And it definitely wasn't Yoko Ono. I went by the building because I'm a huge John Lennon fan. I would have recognized Yoko.
5) My friend and I were driving around Detroit one night when we were 18-19 or so. We pull up to a light and this old guy with long white hair and big beard pulls up next to us in some big honkin 70's piece of Detroit glory-on-wheels. We both think "wow, what a trip, it's Santa Claus". So the light changes and he pulls away. His lisence plate reads "Santa 1". I'm not sayin' it was and I'm not sayin' it wasn't. I'm just telling you what I saw with my own two eyes.
Okay, you convinced me. I will now play QTs UTG the next five times I get it, proudly announcing I am play the "Vince Lepore Commerative Hand."
PS. And, just because you have new hats, no need to dis mine.
1. The cast of RENT on stage during a performance.
2. David Letterman behind his desk during taping of a show.
3. Bill & Hillary in audience at Kennedy Center.
4. The Senate Watergate Committee during questioning of John Ehrlichman.
5. Michael Jackson on stage at the Orange Bowl.
6. Phil Collins onstage at Madison Square Garden.
7. Elton John on stage at Madison Square Garden.
8. Michael Jordan shooting free throws against Knicks at MSG.
9. Tom Seaver pitching against Orioles in 1969 World Series.
10. Britney Spears on stage at Jones Beach Theater.
Playing with the residents of Any2card Town. A great game, and so how much did I win. Wrong question, the rule is, if it was a great game, then you lost. I did, but not much.
Emotions ran hot and cold. One minute everyone is laughing and telling jokes the next sarcasm and hot tempers.
Two things happened in this great game, that need addressing.
The first one really caught me by surprise. I have always been of the opinon that one should not be-little the play of another at the table. Usually I see this happen by residents of the Valley of Patience (VoP), some rude comment about the play of an any2willdo player. This game had only one member of the VoP, our local pony tail rock and he just mucks the cards and waits for another hand.
These comments came from one any2card player to another any2card player. How could you play that junk...etc.
The other is a Any2card Town commuinty problem. I see this all the time and wonder if there is a way to help my constituency. As Mayor, I want all the residents of Any2card Town to know, it's okay to go home with a win. I know you love the action, but after your stacks grow tall then shrink, and swell again, you might want to consider going home with the win. You are not required to give it all back again.
So lets not be rude to the action players and lets take home a win, once in a while.
SPM,...on the job, protecting the rights of players to play any two cards form any position...
I'm not sure where i fit in your little town but i agree with you about knocking other players. Since i was in the game the person that made this comment has a habit of doing this stuff and i don't think he is going to change. But it is nice to see the Mayor addressing this problem.BTW i think the Mayor might address playing bad cards just cause the oppposition is playing them. Is this good hold'em strategy? I thought the Mayor got a little crazy last night playing some bad hands. Please don't reprimand me since it was only an observation. Larry
When your the Town Mayor, what kind of hands should I play. The answer, any2willdo. Winning is everything, but it's dam close.
And where do you fit into our little town. Well Professor, please send me your resume, Any3card University, needs more Professor's, which of the listed courses would you like to teach?
SPM,...able to leap tall odds with a single card, but not last night...
I'm not sure Q4s would be at the top of playable hands on the button but what the heck do i know. As is true of most professors i can teach but i can't play as you have witnessed. As a matter of fact, the chairman was playing in the 20-40 and asked the floor person if they would expand the table to 11 players so i could play. It's amazing the lengths some players will go to to get a suckerin the game but the professor was unto his ways and remained in the game he couldn't beat. Wishing all well Mayor. Larry
Ms desire, please send me your e-mail address, mine is listed above. I have a concern that is for your eyes only.
SPM,...your biggest fan...
The poker table's brightly lit..the players smiling as I sit..I buy my chips and plant my ass..and pray good fortune will come to pass. Am doing well..my thinking's clear.. then it happens...i can smell the fear..they know i'm on..they can smell the luck..pretty soon they think they suck..and so the tilt begins to hit..they try to buy a pot with shit..and there i am..punishing back..raising their bets..fattening the sack...i fake a frown..mutter, "that's too bad"..thinking all the while, "you dun been had"...and then it happens..the alarms shrills loud..i stir and waken from my cloud..it seems it all has been a dream...my glorious win was all unseen..it happened only in my head..oh well..time to get out of bed..
The dream of dreams a win you said, but in the light of day you see the error of your way.
SPM,...dreams can come true...
Gabe Kaplan scowling while playing at the table next to mine at the Commerce in L.A.
Matt Damon grinning with the media all over him at the table caddy-corner to mine in the '98 WSOP.
Wilford Brimley drawing out on me in a NL satellite last year as McEvoy (who had just been sucked out on by the same guy), rolled his eyes.
But all-in-all, I'd still rather play with the Baywatch babe ....
Full post is under "Internet Poker" section of this forum, because that's where it started.
I won't repeat it here.
Those of you who have become friends, know how to reach me.
Best of luck,
I just want to say, that there are a lot of people I enjoy reading on this website. Diane from Green Bay is one of the ones, at the top of that list.
I don't read the "Internet Poker" section very often but I believe a similar thing happened to Dan Hanson. He no longer posts here.
Diane, I hope you reconsider. Why not just boycott the internet forum and continue posting elsewhere on Two Plus Two ?
I am a big Diane fan and whatever you do, lots of luck to you !
Howard, I believe the case of Dan Hanson was different. From what I heard, Dan made a post on the "Other Topics Forum" that was interpreted by many as anti-Semitic. Dan has a regular job and he was worried that somehow it would get back to his employer so he decided to take a long hiatus from posting. As an aside, I think Dan Hanson was the best poster 2+2 has ever had. He also wrote an excellent article for Poker Digest on free cards. From what I have heard he still plays $15-$30 hold-em in Edmnonton, Alberta but has suspended his posting and writing for awhile. This is a tragic loss to the rest of us.
I am not sure that it was interpreted by 'many' as anti-Semitic. My impression is that it was interpreted by a few very vocal posters as anti-Semitic, and further that these few very vocal posters tended to be among the more illogically-minded on the forum.
I do agree that it is a substantial loss.
Whatever Dan's reasons, he was correct that it in effect placed him in a no-win situation, because people would remember or hear of the association regardless of its validity.
I once wrote a post recommending a film by Errol Morris called Dr. Death, which took as its subject the case of a man who testified in Canada during a hate crime trial. Dr. Death supported the defense by claiming, using his dubious research, that gassing of Holocaust victims never took place. At the time I wrote the recommendation, I was not aware that Dan was engaging in a string of arguments with idiots.
Dan Hanson had claimed that he knew of no anti-semnitism in Canada. After I posted my recommendation of the film, Dan was one of the first to respond, citing his poor memory and acknowledging the existence of hate crimes and anti-semnitism in Canada.
I think many of us were more than sorry that Dan was driven away by posters who couldn't read critically and resorted to virulent personal attacks. Ultimately, all of us who read, write, and respond with good intentions should feel like we, too, were attacked. Dan's case was a sorry one, but it's a situation many of may face if we continue to voice our opinions.
Many of us posters who have dayjobs should probably post under pseudonyms to avoid these problems.
I don't recall Dan Hanson stating that his fear was for his job, although I do recall one of these moronic posters threatening to find out where he worked and tell his employer.
The way I remember it, his concern was that this was placing him in a no-win situation in general and that it could hurt him in the future somehow because people would vaguely recall or hear of the association.
As I recall, David Sklansky posted that only a moron would interpret his statements (in context) as anti-Semitic.
It is too bad that this whole thing happened.
I do not think that knuckling under to the repression of free speech by overly-PC-minded idiots is a good thing. Rather I think an effort should be made to counter these insidious assaults on our cherished freedoms.
Restriction of free speech by employers and campuses is just one step away from restriction of free speech by government.
In several e-mails with Dan he made it clear that his main concern was future opportunities that he might miss due to a backround search and his name being associated with the offensive threads.
All who truly enjoy the banter of sharp minds debating intriguing problems have suffered a loss here.
and still posting on this forum under a psuedonym.
Do you think he would have "folded" that easily? Or do you think he "adujusted" his game.
I believe he has posted under a few different names. But, I will not speculate as to what those might be.
Which is in my opinion all the more reason to not back down and to expose idiotic, illogical arguments for what they are.
I'm with Mike Caro on this one.
I will not bow to a tyranny of idiocy nor be coerced into silence.
Further I believe that free speech is about one million times more important than political correctness.
Who are these semnites, anyway?
Thanks for pointing out my typing errors; if I have the chance, I'll be sure to return the favor.
In Edmonton? Where did he play...I finally got to meet Dunc Mills this weekend, I'll try and find this guy and meet him too!
David "Could I have a marker while I go see if my car will start" Ottosen
its seems to me that for a place so far out of the way and having mostly small games, edmonton has some good thinking players.too bad we lost dan for awhile and it would be nice if he resumed posting just under dan from edmonton and he would then keep his name protected and we all could have something to identify with. i know i try not to answer too much to people that dont post under a regular name that i can relate to.
But Ray, there has to be some villains. Without villains, there can be no heroes like Dan Hanson, Greg Raymer, Jim Brier, M, and others. There wouldn't be controversy either. And without controversy, the forum will die. Villains provide entertainment value. And more importantly, they motivate the "legitimate" posters to be more passionate in expressing their well thought out ideas. Villains should not be judged by their individual posts. They should be judged by the threads and passionately argued responses that their posts induce. All forums are ultimately in the education business. And as every great teacher knows, emotions are what empower the students to ultimately act on the ideas that have been imparted to them. Ideas taught emotionally get acted on while ideas that are taught impassionately are just thought about. And though thinking is no doubt important, only actions lead to real results. Thoughts not acted on are just potential. Never results. A villain who has outcomes that are well thought out are invaluable. We all should be thankful for them for their willingness to be the bad guy who takes all the insults from the rest.
there are rules you know, I don't wanna waste time reading your post to find out there's nothing xxx about it. Don't false advertise. Don't take this seriously.
there are good villains and bad villains. big difference. the bad ones can get lost and the good ones we need. such as pv. he knows how to sit right on the fence and no one yet has had an accurate shot with their shoe to knock him off yet. i do agree with those of the thick skin side as without it you are treading on thin ice posting views for all the world and then some to argue with. and i do end sentences with a preposition as i dont see anything wrong it.
Yin needs a Yang. If everyone got along without any controversy, this forum would be about as entertaining as that CBS flop "Big Brother". They immediately voted off the two conflicting people and had their utopian house where everything was hugs and kisses. The ratings went to crap.
I think 90% of Americans are from dysfunctional enviornments. Instead of fighting it we should embrace it. I am.
Churchill said something like, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with I will not put." Of course there's nothing "wrong" with ending a sentence with a prepostion, but picky grammarians seem to constantly admonish those who do. (Did you note the split infinitive?)
"There's nothing "wrong" with ending a sentence with a prepostion"
Are you pointing out my typo again? Or, perhaps you are simply disagreeing with my point. Next time, be precise.
I take no responsibility if you come up here and find out I talk a better game than I play! (:
I agree that Dan was the best. The disgraceful attacks that started on the Exhange and then errupted on the Internet Forum were tragic. If anyone has his head on straight, it was Dan based on his many poker posts and general essays on the Exchange. I hope he resumes posting, even if he has to use another name and sneak in some token illogic to throw us off ;-).
yea its too bad we are losing diane. i enjoyed her trip repots and feel she is shortchanging herself when she says she doesnt have poker content to contribute. her downfall was trying to defend people not willing to publicly defend themselves. like highlands poker. rather than them posting rebuttals she seemed to many to be a broken record of defence for them. as evidenced by many thinking she was a paid shill for them i suppose they are a good place to play but dont need somebody beating their drum. it makes her look bad especially if she is unwilling to go the next step in defending them which is to give definitive proof of her statements. she also seemed to need to defend linda johnson at all costs where linda is very capable of her own defence. which she did. its good to defend your friends but maybe not in a public forum where you are going to get disenting opinions which you may not be quite up to challenging. come back and try to talk poker and not pokerpolitics and you will be welcome and appreciated by all as well as those that are the attackers.
I have come to the conclusion that a lot of the more inflammatory posters are nothing but trolls. If you look at the posts made by certain individuals, they look to be interested only in insulting people and starting controversial threads. No real poker interest. I think this is what happened with Dan Hanson. You think his detractors were 'genuinely' offended by his comments? Or were they just trying to have a little fun with him and harass him by calling him an anti-Semite? You notice that as soon as he left, they left too? Their mission done, they either left or changed aliases and are trolling under new names. You think these people who post these one line insulting posts really want to talk about poker? I sincerely doubt it. This has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with people just out to annoy others. It is a common problem in all sorts of usenet groups/message boards. Only increased vigilance by the system operators can help prevent this problem in the future.
i agree but in internet worlds you must have a thick skin or get run over. and dont answer posts by no names.
Ray, my above response is also a response to this post.
Vigilance by the system operators could quickly deteriorate into censorship. Let the trolls speak and let them be ignored by all who wish to maintain the integrity of the site. With no "jazz" on which to feed the trolls will soon be looking for more satisfying territory.
hetron..........this forum "other topics" was created basically so we could get to know each other interests besides poker.....your hide could use some thickining,or how could be at a poker table and not be able to handle some controversy,thereby putting you on tilt!
Full final post is under "Internet Poker" section. I won't repeat it here.
Those of you that have become friends know how to reach me.
Good luck now you'll have more time to play on HIGHLANDS!!!!!!!!
Geez, lady, give it a rest. Havent enough people kissed your thin skinned, crybabying behind yet????
Interview with a Rock from the Valley of Patience.
SPM; When did you become a Rock?
Rock; It was a long time ago, I lived in Any2card Town (A2CT), back then A2CT was a wide open town. All kinds of dirty plays took place. There was no respect for the royalty hands of power. There were no rules.
SPM; What are the royalty hands?
Rock; Aces, the master fighters, Kings, the leaders, Queens, the leader of leader, Jacks to keep the Kings and Queens laughing...
SPM; So what happened, why did you leave A2CT?
Rock; Two angels came to town, they were the Angel David and the Angel Mason. They were discussed with the behavior of the residents of A2CT.
They told us they would destroy A2CT, and that the smart residents should leave ASAP or they would receive the bad beat of their life, total bank roll destruction.
Leave, but don't look back they warned. Well some of us left but when we got as far as the VoP, we knew this was the last place we could look back and see our old stooping grounds. So we looked back for just a peek and we were all turn into Rocks.
SPM; What happened to the ones that didn't look back?
Rock; Well I was looking the wrong way, but ledgend has it they went on to the promised land of NO LIMIT HOLD'EM. While we had to stay in the VoP, the land of Limit Hold'em.
SPM; What is the biggest complaint in of the Rocks left in the VoP?
SPM; Is it true you can never leave the VoP?
Rock; No, a flash flood on the river can take us out of the VoP.
SPM; Where does it take you?
Rock; Back to limbo a place called 2+2, there you must read posts, books, watch video's and learn how to behave as a Rock. If your successful you can return to the VoP, if you don't learn, you return to A2CT.
SPM; I thought the Angle David & Mason were going to destroy the town.
Rock; They tried but the residents of A2CT are breeders, and their numbers grew faster than they could bad beat them.
SPM, ...Mayor, of the land of the breeders...
Who would be your 10 choices to play against, from the world of politics - and why?
My list, in ascending order of desirability :
10. Kofi Anan. It's always good to have Anan on the list; he will accept any deal in the last rounds.
9. Moamar Qaddafi. On tilt at the slightest provocation. (Tip: play in neutral ground.)
8. Saddam Hussein. Can't stand to be bluffed. Will ALWAYS call a raise.
7. Ariel Sharon. Worst maniac on earth. (Perhaps this is not such a good choice, after all.)
6. Steve Forbes. A fat cat with ambition. Wants to come on as one of the guys. Airy upstaits to boot.
5. Ronald Reagan. Well, if you could get him to play poker now, it would be gravy, wouldn't it?
4. New Gingrich. Thinks he's clever but will always miscalculate the odds.
3. Rush Limbaugh. So he's not really a politico. Give me a one-track mind anytime.
2. Gus Hall. You're not afraid of commies, are you? (And it doesn't get better than playing against a dead man!)
. . . and finally, my number one, the ultimate blood donor is
1. Bill Clinton. So many tells, I will not even bother with my cards.
As usual, a great list, but I'd nominate Strom Thurmond and Ross Perot. Perot's pretty sharp, but wouldn't it be fun to see the charts?
Which software is the best? Turbo Texas Hold Em'? The Mike Caro poker probe???
Subject: the supreme court explained By Mark H. Levine, Attorney at Law.
Q: I'm not a lawyer and I don't understand the recent Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore. Can you explain it to me?
A: Sure. I'm a lawyer. I read it. It says Bush wins, even if Gore got the most votes.
Q: But wait a second. The US Supreme Court has to give a reason, right?
Q: So Bush wins because hand-counts are illegal?
A: Oh no. Six of the justices (two-thirds majority) believed the hand-counts were legal and should be done.
Q: Oh. So the justices did not believe that the hand-counts would find any legal ballots?
A. Nope. The five conservative justices clearly held (and all nine justices agreed) "that punch card balloting machines can produce an unfortunate number of ballots which are not punched in a clean, complete way by the voter." So there are legal votes that should be counted but can't be.
Q: Oh. Does this have something to do with states' rights? Don't conservatives love that?
A: Generally yes. These five justices have held that the federal government has no business telling a sovereign state university it can't steal trade secrets just because such stealing is prohibited by law. Nor does the federal government have any business telling a state that it should bar guns in schools. Nor can the federal government use the equal protection clause to force states to take measures to stop violence against women.
Q: Is there an exception in this case?
A: Yes, the Gore exception. States have no rights to have their own state elections when it can result in Gore being elected President. This decision is limited to only this situation.
Q: C'mon. The Supremes didn't really say that. You're exaggerating.
A: Nope. They held "Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, or the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities."
Q: What complexities?
A: They don't say.
Q: I'll bet I know the reason. I heard Jim Baker say this. The votes can't be counted because the Florida Supreme Court "changed the rules of the election after it was held." Right?
A. Dead wrong. The US Supreme Court made clear that the Florida Supreme Court did not change the rules of the election. But the US Supreme Court found the failure of the Florida Court to change the rules was wrong.
A: The Legislature declared that the only legal standard for counting vote is "clear intent of the voter." The Florida Court was condemned for not adopting a clearer standard.
Q: I thought the Florida Court was not allowed to change the Legislature's law after the election.
Q: So what's the problem?
A: They should have. The US Supreme Court said the Florida Supreme Court should have "adopt[ed] adequate statewide standards for determining what is a legal vote"
Q: I thought only the Legislature could "adopt" new law.
Q: So if the Court had adopted new standards, I thought it would have been overturned.
A: Right. You're catching on.
Q: If the Court had adopted new standards, it would have been overturned for changing the rules. And if it didn't, it's overturned for not changing the rules. That means that no matter what the Florida Supreme Court did, legal votes could never be counted.
A: Right. Next question.
Q: Wait, wait. I thought the problem was "equal protection," that some counties counted votes differently from others. Isn't that a problem?
A: It sure is. Across the nation, we vote in a hodgepodge of systems. Some, like the optical-scanners in largely Republican-leaning counties record 99.7% of the votes. Some, like the punchcard systems in largely Democratic-leaning counties record only 97% of the votes. So approximately 3% of Democratic votes are thrown in the trash can.
Q: Aha! That's a severe equal-protection problem!!!
A: No it's not. The Supreme Court wasn't worried about the 3% of Democratic ballots thrown in the trashcan in Florida. That "complexity" was not a problem.
Q: Was it the butterfly ballots that violated Florida law and tricked more than 20,000 Democrats to vote for Buchanan or Gore and Buchanan.
A: Nope. The Supreme Court has no problem believing that Buchanan got his highest, best support in a precinct consisting of a Jewish old age home with Holocaust survivors, who apparently have changed their mind about Hitler.
Q: Yikes. So what was the serious equal protection problem?
A: The problem was neither the butterfly ballot nor the 3% of Democrats (largely African-American) disenfranchised. The problem is that somewhat less than .005% of the ballots may have been determined under slightly different standards because judges sworn to uphold the law and doing their best to accomplish the legislative mandate of "clear intent of the voter" may have a slightly different opinion about the voter's intent.
Q: Hmmm. OK, so if those votes are thrown out, you can still count the votes where everyone agrees the voter's intent is clear?
Q: Why not?
A: No time.
Q: No time to count legal votes where everyone, even Republicans, agree the intent is clear? Why not?
A: Because December 12 was yesterday.
Q: Is December 12 a deadline for counting votes?
A: No. January 6 is the deadline. In 1960, Hawaii's votes weren't counted until January 4.
Q: So why is December 12 important?
A: December 12 is a deadline by which Congress can't challenge the results.
Q: What does the Congressional role have to do with the Supreme Court?
Q: But I thought ---
A: The Florida Supreme Court had earlier held it would like to complete its work by December 12 to make things easier for Congress. The United States Supreme Court is trying to help the Florida Supreme Court out by forcing the Florida court to abide by a deadline that everyone agrees is not binding.
Q: But I thought the Florida Court was going to just barely have the votes counted by December 12.
A: They would have made it, but the five conservative justices stopped the recount last Saturday.
A: Justice Scalia said some of the counts may not be legal.
Q: So why not separate the votes into piles, indentations for Gore, hanging chads for Bush, votes that everyone agrees went to one candidate or the other so that we know exactly how Florida voted before determining who won? Then, if some ballots (say, indentations) have to be thrown out, the American people will know right away who won Florida.
A. Great idea! The US Supreme Court rejected it. They held that such counts would likely to produce election results showing Gore won and Gore's winning would cause "public acceptance" and that would "cast a cloud" over Bush's "legitimacy" that would harm "democratic stability."
Q: In other words, if America knows the truth that Gore won, they won't accept the US Supreme Court overturning Gore's victory?
Q: Is that a legal reason to stop recounts? or a political one?
A: Let's just say in all of American history and all of American law, this reason has no basis in law. But that doesn't stop the five conservatives from creating new law out of thin air.
Q: Aren't these conservative justices against judicial activism?
A: Yes, when liberal judges are perceived to have done it.
Q: Well, if the December 12 deadline is not binding, why not count the votes?
A: The US Supreme Court, after admitting the December 12 deadline is not binding, set December 12 as a binding deadline at 10 p.m. on December 12.
Q: Didn't the US Supreme Court condemn the Florida Supreme Court for arbitrarily setting a deadline?
Q: But, but --
A: Not to worry. The US Supreme Court does not have to follow laws it sets for other courts.
Q: So who caused Florida to miss the December 12 deadline?
A: The Bush lawyers who first went to court to stop the recount, the rent-a-mob in Miami that got paid Florida vacations for intimidating officials, and the US Supreme Court for stopping the recount
Q: So who is punished for this behavior?
A: Gore, of course.
Q: Tell me this then, are Florida's laws are unconstitutional?
Q: And the laws of 50 states that allow votes to be cast or counted differently are unconstitutional?
A: Yes. And 33 states have the "clear intent of the voter" standard that the US Supreme Court found was illegal in Florida
Q: Then why aren't the results of 33 states thrown out?
A: Um. Because...um.....the Supreme Court doesn't say...
Q: But if Florida's certification includes counts expressly declared by the US Supreme Court to be unconstitutional, we don't know who really won the election there, right?
A: Right. Though a careful analysis by the Miami Herald shows Gore won Florida by about 20,000 votes (excluding the butterfly ballot errors)
Q: So, what do we do, have a re-vote? throw out the entire state? count under a single uniform standard?
A: No. We just don't count the votes that favor Gore.
Q: That's completely bizarre! That sounds like rank political favoritism! Did the justices have any financial interest in the case?
A: Scalia's two sons are both lawyers working for Bush. Thomas's wife is collecting applications for people who want to work in the Bush administration.
Q: Why didn't they recuse themselves?
A: If either had recused himself, the vote would be 4-4, and the Florida Supreme Court decision allowing recounts would have been affirmed.
Q: I can't believe the justices acted in such a blatantly political way.
A: Read the opinions for yourself: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/supremecourt/00-949_dec12.fdf (December 9 stay stopping the recount) http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/00pdf/00-949.pdf (December12 opinion)
Q: So what are the consequences of this?
A: The guy who got the most votes in the US and in Florida and under our Constitution (Al Gore) will lose to America's second choice who won the all important 5-4 Supreme Court vote.
Q: I thought in a democracy, the guy with the most votes wins.
A: True, in a democracy. But America is not a democracy. In America in 2000, the guy with the most US Supreme Court votes wins.
Q: So what will happen to the Supreme Court when Bush becomes President?
A: He will appoint more justices in the mode of Thomas and Scalia to ensure that the will of the people is less and less respected. Soon lawless justices may constitute 6-3 or even 7-2 on the court.
Q: Is there any way to stop this?
A: YES. No federal judge can be confirmed without a vote in the Senate. It takes 60 votes to break a filibuster. If only 41 of the 50 Democratic Senators stand up to Bush and his Supremes and say that they will not approve a single judge appointed by him until a President can be democratically elected in 2004, the judicial reign of terror can end....and one day we can hope to return to the rule of law.
Q: What do I do now?
A: Email this to everyone you know, and write or call your senator, reminding him that Gore beat Bush by several hundred thousand votes (three times Kennedy's margin over Nixon) and that you believe that VOTERS rather than JUDGES should determine who wins an election by counting every vote. And to protect our judiciary from overturning the will of the people, you want them to confirm NO NEW JUDGES until 2004 when a president is finally chosen by most of the American people.
Mark H. Levine Attorney at Law MarkLevineEsq@aol.com
despite the fact that the lawyer is right that the supreme court's decision was largely political, presenting his argument as a dialogue with a allegedly impartial, as nothing is as impartial as complete ignorance, questioner is at least as misleading and politicized as the court.
incidently, the florida supreme court's decision was just as political. at the heart of this it is a political event, not a legal event, and it doesn't actually matter if the decision has ostensible justification in law or precendent. everyone involved in this debacle has ignored the cumulative spirit of law and precedent and has allowed their actions and judgement to become wholly politicized.
in fact, whichever cannidate actually won a slim victory has no stronger claim to the presidency than the other. the democratic ideal of the will of the people choosing its leader has little sway when the people are evenly split. the results, with or without recounts, are within the margin of error. this election was a coin flip. bush won. who cares?
my apathy is not bred of ignorance. i read the ruling and i agree the supreme court had quite thin grounds to make their ruling. but to whom can you appeal? so it's over. if you insist on whining, at least admit you're just whining. and if you insist on gloating, please admit you're just gloating.
how can it be news?
the supreme court did not rule in a way that sets any dangerous precedents. they didn't rule the florida supreme court overstepped judicial review, which some morons thought they would, grossly limiting their own power.
how can so many people who dont know anything about anything care about the smallest details of the whole recount business?
if you can't decipher legalese, you can't understand what happened. they didn't invent their lexicon just to confuse the peasantry. those words and phrases exist for a reason. when you simplify the language you have to make judgements about what to emphasize and what to ignore. as everyone has their own politics, they choose their words to further their ends. it is painfully laughable to have impartial journalists prompt alleged experts to offer highly politicized interpretations of the events. what does anyone expect anyone to say? then why ask the question?
i cant believe they preempted dark angel for election coverage. politics sucks. people suck. so many people spend so much time on so little. i am sorry. i have a cold and i havent been able to drink very much alcohol the past couple days. my apathy will lose its violence and regain its silence shortly.
again i apologize.
You are a perverted sick mind that will not succeed at establishing a fourth reich.
You are a find example of not being reared up properly, you must of had a troubled childhood, most manic liberals do..........
i really dont know what to say.
you've discovered my plan: private prisons. i suppose labor camps would be an adequate discriptor, but that term has gotten too much bad publicity. undeserved in my opinion, but that doesnt change the fact that the public will balk at my innovations. and that's what they are. you aren't against progress, are you? it's the natural order of civilization to devolop better techniques and better infrastructure building to a better society. after all, the whole is merely the sum of the parts. and if some parts are hurting the whole, like a cancer for example, you have to eliminate the part, cut it out, for the good of the whole.
but you dont know the half of it! just you wait.
you're all hypocrites and it makes me sad.
it really will never end, ever.
i guess we should let the miami herald determine the winner of elections. we all know there are no biases in the news media. who cares what the supreme court says.. the MIAMI HERALD proclaims gore the winner.
and should al gore's good buddy that he has lunch with all the time have recused himself? odd that you failed to mention that.
popular vote schmopular vote. we have an electoral college. i can't believe democrats are still pissing and moaning about the popular vote.
al gore loses when machines count the ballots twice. he then asks for the democratic election officials to recount the ballots by hand including the slightest little dimple or microscopic hole IN ONLY FOUR DEMOCRATIC COUNTIES. look at the numbers for those counties. they were like 80% for gore. of course he wants to count the votes there. every "new vote" that wasn't picked up has an 80% chance of going for al gore.
the fact that the democrats can say with a straight face that al gore wants every vote to count, while he exclusively selects only a few democratic counties to look at and then launches a systematic effort to do everything he can to get every military ballot possible thrown out, is really really shocking.
in spite of the fact that we have had one of the best decades economically in this country's history, gore loses the election. you gotta love it. gore in 2004? :) the sore loser vote better come out pretty strong for that one.. or how about hillary? i'm sure she can do it.
democrats admit that al gore ran a horrible campaign and dropped the ball. and for this, we get a tax cut and maybe a little less of my tax $ going for midnight basketball and nea funded sculptures of naked people that no one will buy.
god bless america.
Ballgame over your man lost...Bush flopped the nuts and held on to the river you lose, case closed this election is adjourned.
Redheaded step children need a good spank on the ass you come to mind.
I'm currently on the road and a little late to this thread. IMO this is a very interesting post and to be honest I have some of the same problems with the US Supreme Court Ruling on the election that were pointed out here. This is one in particular:
>>Q: I'll bet I know the reason. I heard Jim Baker say this. The votes can't be counted because the Florida Supreme Court "changed the rules of the election after it was held." Right?
A. Dead wrong. The US Supreme Court made clear that the Florida Supreme Court did not change the rules of the election. But the US Supreme Court found the failure of the Florida Court to change the rules was wrong.
A: The Legislature declared that the only legal standard for counting vote is "clear intent of the voter." The Florida Court was condemned for not adopting a clearer standard.
Q: I thought the Florida Court was not allowed to change the Legislature's law after the election.
Q: So what's the problem?
A: They should have. The US Supreme Court said the Florida Supreme Court should have "adopt[ed] adequate statewide standards for determining what is a legal vote"
Q: I thought only the Legislature could "adopt" new law.
Q: So if the Court had adopted new standards, I thought it would have been overturned.
A: Right. You're catching on.
Q: If the Court had adopted new standards, it would have been overturned for changing the rules. And if it didn't, it's overturned for not changing the rules. That means that no matter what the Florida Supreme Court did, legal votes could never be counted.
A: Right. Next question. <<
I wondered about this myself and I see that someone else picked up on it. Hey I voted for Bush but that doesn't mean I agree with the whole way that this went down. Also I've already said that both parties behavior leave was horrendous though this whole mess.
There are some parts of this analysis that amount to nothing more than whining, some parts that are just plain wrong, and some parts that make some very good points. One thing that I have noticed through this fiasco (how could the talking heads say that this was a great example of democracy at work) is that most of the dialog contains mostly rhetoric, accusations, claims of hypocricy, obscure the valid points that are being made. I think this analysis is more of the sameand I may, or may not e-
I'm typing in the dark using my notebook keyboard so I didn't finish my last post. I may email this attorney and Ed Hill to discuss this post further.
Here is a link to a John Stossel (great contrarion on ABC News) article about how one town is banning smoking outdoors on public property!!
Who out there would support such a ban and who thinks this is just a little much?
I support it
This is probably going too far. But it may be the shape of the future.
I would probably like living there. I'm the type of person who holds their breath when passing a smoker on the sidewalk.
I'd be more in favor of fining anyone who drops a butt on public property $1000. A huge fine on the theory that they probably do it all the damn time.
You wrote: "I'd be more in favor of fining anyone who drops a butt on public property $1000. A huge fine on the theory that they probably do it all the damn time."
I've totally against littering and would support serious enforcement of current littering laws for all trash, which would include cigarette butts. The article was not about littering though.
You wrote: ”I would probably like living there. I'm the type of person who holds their breath when passing a smoker on the sidewalk.”
A few years ago I've witnessed the following on at least there occasions:
Person holding a cigarette walks by a non-smoker. The non-smoker sees the cigarette and holds their nose as waves hand if front of their face. The cigarette was not even lit. I'm not saying you would go this far but I envy a life where whiffing an occasional puff of smoke is enough of a concern to even think about.
Note that they won't stop there. Eventually, they will invade your home with similar laws and it won't just concern smoking.
The non-smoker sees the cigarette and holds their nose as waves hand if front of their face. The cigarette was not even lit. I'm not saying you would go this far but I envy a life where whiffing an occasional puff of smoke is enough of a concern to even think about.
No, I don't go this far. I'm probably the only person aware that I held my breath. I just find breathing second hand smoke unpleasant and I'm more aware of the potential health risks than most people.
Note that they won't stop there. Eventually, they will invade your home with similar laws and it won't just concern smoking.
Which is why I said they probably went too far. I'm a big fan of personal liberty, even for bottom feeding scum like smokers. (just kidding - some of my best friends are smokers, really!)
It's not that different legally, I would suppose, from banning alcohol on public property, though. And since those laws have been around for ages, I figure it's an idea that's likely to spread, without any serious legal challenges. But maybe the lawyers on the forum have a more informed opinion on that aspect of the thing.
Hey man, the sidewalks and public parks all over the country are littered with the bodies of people dropping dead from secondhand smoke, aren't they?
By the way, can anyone point me to a scientific study of secondhand smoke that:
Wasn't done in the 1970's AND wasn't immediately discredited as flawed
OR isn't a reworking of the data from that flawed study
OR isn't a government commissioned study which was so biased as to cause several members to resign
I've looked, but have been unable to find one.
I saw on the news recently that Philadelphia has loosened the requirements for ventilation systems (relating to smoke removal) in restaurants. Could this be the pendulum beginning to swing back toward rational thought?
Oh yah, the pendulum's swinging alright...three of the largest poker rooms have gone non-smoking in the last couple of years and more to come. All it's going to take is for OSHA to file suit as it did in California in support of a worker's right not to be forced to breathe poisoned air while on the job. It's a fact..cigarette smoke is poison..don't expect it to be tolerated in the future just because it was in the past.
Once we bounce the last of those old-line tobacco-lobbying money-grubbing politicians from office there will swift change at a federal level. Can't wait for Hillary to run in 2008.
You wrote: ”By the way, can anyone point me to a scientific study of secondhand smoke that: - - Wasn't done in the 1970's AND wasn't immediately discredited as flawed”
In the technical library of the aerospace company I used to work for I remember reading journals/magazines for statisticians about studies done in the late seventies to early eighties that tracked people who were married for a long time to smokers and did not smoke themselves. In a nutshell, the studies indicated that being married to a smoker reduced your lifespan by about 40 to 75 days. Extrapolating this into a normal lifespan of 70 plus years and a population of 260 million or so, the initial figures of second hand smoke causing 30,000 (or was it 40,000) “deaths” became bandied about in the media. Of course this number has grown over time, just as the size of the fish a typical fisherman (not you ray zee!) catches grows each time the story is told.
The problem with the studies as discussed in the journals was that they did not attempt to filter out other factors, the most notable one being income. High-income people tend to live YEARS longer than low-income people. And high-income people are far more likely to be nonsmokers. Now when one is married to a smoker, the income is in between that of non-smokers and smokers. So the 40 to 75 day difference does not amount to anything, since income differences alone would more than explain it.
The debate in the journals was not to attempt to discredit the studies, but how to mold studies to prove second hand smoke is a major health hazard, which is what the government wanted to hear.
Over the years many more studies were done. A few years ago, the FDA/EPA (I forget which) combined data from 23 studies (after discarding studies that did not fit their agenda), combined results in ways which are unacceptable to professional statisticians, lowered confidence levels, and manipulated the data to “prove” that second hand smoke is a major health hazard.
When Dan Hanson was still posting, he started a thoughtful debate on this issue with some good references. Look back about six months ago in the Exchange archives and you should find it.
I don't smoke and support laws that restrict smoking in confined spaces. But as usual, the health police are going way too far on this one.
PS: Question: What major country has the longest longevity? What major country has the highest rate of smoking? (Hint: They are the same country!)
There are a few areas open to possible controversy in the much-maligned EPA report to which you refer.
However, in the forum threads you reference, nobody attacked the 1986: The Health Consequences Of Involuntary Smoking: A Report Of The Surgeon General (from which I cite numerous times). Anyone and everyone with opposing views in the thread conveniently ignored the points and studies provided in this report, and to my (limited) knowledge, the study has not been found controversial nor has it been refuted. It does scientifically draw some damning conclusions about the effects of secondhand smoke.
It seems that those who choose to attack the validity of such studies also choose which studies to attack.
BTW this report is available free from The Centers For Disease Control www.cdc.gov
Anyone interested will have to navigate the site themselves. I can assure you that the process will be interesting and informative. Tremendous resources are available at this site.
Yes I do agree that an outdoor smoking ban sounds rather ridiculous. However I think that as far as indoor smoking in public venues or in the workplace the health police have not yet gone far enough. Forget the EPA reoprt if you like; order and read the Surgeon General's Report. Nobody should have the right to inflict this in an enclosed airspace upon others except in their own homes. And regarding that, after you read the report tell me what you think about what the studies found about the effects upon children in the home.
You wrote: "after you read the report tell me what you think about what the studies found about the effects upon children in the home."
Gee, I start this thread on a late night (was it late night – I don't remember) caffeine induced whim but I have to admit I'm about the most useless contributor. But that won't stop me ;-). Anyway, here is my un-researched, un-referenced, talking out the crack in my you know where non-educated guess as to why the children of smokers undoubtedly are not as healthy as the children of non-smokers.
Smokers tend to be blue-collar workers and have low to moderate incomes. Non-smokers tend to be white-collar workers and have higher incomes. Higher incomes lead to all kinds of benefits, including access to better health care and living conditions. Any study that does not filter these factors out is fundamentally flawed."
PS: Is the benefit of hanging out with that human ashtray John Cole worth the risk to your health? I thought it was but look where it got me :-).
Not that it really matters. I can probably come up with a convincing dietary (or other) reason that could refute the implied claim that the smoking rate doesn't affect the longevity. For any country.
The real point, though, is that neither your conclusion, nor mine, would necessarily be correct without a more careful study to back it up.
The country is Japan. I would guess cultural factors enter into this. In America, the smokers tend to be the "bad kids" in high school, i.e., the live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpes types. Older smokers usually are not the types to eat well, exercise , or go to the doctor (who will surely nag them to stop smoking).
In Japan the typical smoker probably takes care of their health.
Note that this does not prove that smoking, if isolated from other life factors, does no harm. It is just my guess that cultural factors also decrease the life span of a typical smoker in this country.
I agree with everything you said.
How many obese Japanese do you see walking around? How many obese Americans?
UH-oh I'm almost getting un-PC here. A little more and I could incur the wrath of nitwits.
Thanks, I've been looking for a good word to rhyme with "Japanese." "Geese" just didn't fit.
what you may not be taking into account is that average lifespan considers things that have nothing to do with health of the populace. such as survial at birth can swing the average age greatly upwards. less car accidents can have a dramatic affect. its these things that determine average lifespan more than smoking does for sure. and health care seems to be one of the most beneficial things that prolong lifespans.
Yes Terry, I can.
The Health Consequences Of Involuntary Smoking: A Report Of The Surgeon General
I ordered this report and others (free) from www.cdc.gov which is the Center For Disease Control. I don't recall exactly where on the site you can order reports, but if you poke around you should be able to find it. The site contains a wealth of information.
This site also contains a wealth of information
It explains the difference between a report, as made by the Surgeon General, and an actual study.
The Report also describes the studies which were done, reviewed and compiled to produce the Report. It also describes in detail the process used for cross-checking and avoiding bias including utilizing reviews by unaffiliated overseas peer groups. I do not have the report in front of me and I am not willing to dig it up at the moment nor to expend a lot of time at present on this (having spent a lot of time in archived threads). I will say that it appeared to me to have been conducted with high scientific standards both in studies and in the process used for compilation and review. Such entire process is detailed in this free document, along with study results and conclusions.
man, people are lunatics. dont smoke, dont drop butts, dont drink and drive, dont drink in public, dont pee in public, dont do drugs, dont set fire to stuff, dont beat people up, dont steal, dont speed. like the pool at my gandma's retirement home -- no running, no splashing, no jumping, no yelling, no playing, no laughing.
i look at laws as pretty much jokes. they have nothing to do with my morality and all they do to my actions is develop an inclination to avoid police officers.
have you ever noticed that those most concerned with safety usually have the least fuffilling lives? usually almost not wirth saving.
Some of those laws are reasonable and a price we pay to live in a civilized society. But I wonder if the "let's ban everything that could be bad for you" generations (mine included) would have had the guts to storm the beaches of Normandy as my Father's generation did?
let alone those gutless wonders who spearhead these movements, i often wonder whether i'd have the guts to face likely death for any cause. normandy being a perfect example. i'm sure enough death is the end and i love life so much that i have to think the only thing i'd fight till the death for is my own life. but neither answer to that question makes me happy.
Either outlaw cigarretes or stop bitching about the smoker who the government taxes the hellout of. Health nut liberals still trying to control your life ,not to mention free speech, right to bear arms,or anything that is morally right with mankind.
WHY are all these threads grouped togther??????? they were not posted together like this!!!!!!!!!
Above the headline of the particular Page, check Set Preferences and then set them for THREADS, MIXED. You can also reset the number of days' messages you want to appear every time you access that page.
I've been told that it is because my prferences are for homosexual acts, and little boys. I deny this
I guess SmoothB is safe.
"dont set fire to stuff, dont beat people up, dont steal, dont speed, dont drop butts, dont drink and drive, dont pee in public."
These things are usually called "the price we pay to live with one another in a society". And they are. Some actions should be regulated, simply because they directly affect others. Don't do to others what you don't, etc.
On the other hand, you have
"dont smoke, dont drink in public, dont do drugs. like the pool at my gandma's retirement home -- no running, no splashing, no jumping, no yelling, no playing, no laughing."
Now all of the above can be summarised a bit differently. To wit: "YOUR BODY DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU. You cannot do things with or to your body without the permission of the authorities. Not even when these things harm no one excpet yourself. Not even when these things happen between consenting adults."
And that's the message behind banning tobacco smoking, with a bit of Ins'ce companies muscle thrown in for good measure.
In the next episode you get to explain how tatoos and piercing came naturally about as a reaction against the zeitgeist. 100 words, please.
I wholeheartedly agree that smoking and other acts of personal choice should not be banned, and that governmental interference in private lives is generally quite undesirable.
Banning outdoor smoking sounds indeed ridiculous.
* When someone drinks indoors or outdoors they are not forcing others to drink with them.
* When someone smokes outdoors they are not forcing others to smoke with them.
* When someone smokes indoors they are forcing others to smoke with them, and therein lies the fundamental difference.
Tattooing and piercing represent an attempt to free the body from the space of public discourse. The practitioner thereby reclaims his or her rights within a system of institutional power relations mediated by discourse. In essence, tattooes and piercings are the marks of the monarch on the body.
American Medical Association
Almost half of the original research published in the peer-reviewed literature reported statistically nonsignificant results or results of mixed significance.
Although similar proportions of both peer-reviewed journal articles and symposium articles on the health effects of ETS report statistically significant results, a larger proportion of journal articles than symposium articles have negative conclusions, ie, conclusions that ETS exposure is not harmful. Although 80% of the journal articles had positive conclusions, only 57% of the studies actually reported statistically significant results. This discrepancy is primarily caused by the reporting of results of mixed significance as being positive. http://www.ama-assn.org/public/peer/7_13_94/pv3064x.htm
--------------------------------- ... ruling on agency research purporting to link second-hand cigarette smoke - also known as environmental tobacco smoke - with cancer in non-smokers. EPA had claimed the smoke was a potent carcinogen that causes 3,000 cancer deaths a year, give or take several thousand. District Judge William Osteen, however, accused the agency of Alice in Wonderland-style justice, in which the verdict comes before the evidence. http://www.junkscience.com/news2/wtedets.htm
----------------------------------- A 38 year study by the School of Public Health and Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center, University of California, Los Angeles
These results indicate there has been no important decline in either the absolute or relative death rates from all causes and lung cancer for cigarette smokers as a whole compared with never smokers in this large cohort, in spite of a substantial degree of smoking cessation. While cessation clearly reduces the mortality risk among long-term former smokers, the population impact of cessation appears to be less than currently believed. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10468422&dopt=Abstract
------------------------------------- The CATO Institute The World Health Organization concluded that the "results indicate no assosiation between childhood exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) and lung cancer risk." http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf
-------------------------------------- HUH? A perfect example.
Johns Hopkins School of Public Health ... a new study from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health additionally shows that cigarette smoking increases a person's risk of using illegal drugs, which will eventually lead to a slew of entirely new consequences. http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/1206-116.html
----------------------- This wouldn't be complete without a rant, so here we go: Do you think the Nazis just one day up and decided to exterminate all the Jews? Nope. The first law passed was to prohibit Jews from swimming in public pools. Why? To protect the public health. One step at a time, people. That is how they take away your rights, and yes, they know exactly what they are doing. Trust your government.
Thanks for finding all these great links. My guess is that most have already made up their minds on this topic. The non-smokers have the votes, and we can expect to see more and more draconian laws against smoking, more taxes, more junk science (BTW, great site and I bookmarked the home page), and so on.
Of course the logical extension is that once those regulators are finished with smoking they will look for something else to regulate and pretty soon you will end up paying a fine or an exise tax if you want to eat a wiener (hot dog = fat people = higher health costs = everybody must pay for increased costs = let's regulate hot dogs).
I don't smoke but the last thing on Earth I worry about is inhaling the occasional whiff of smoke from my friends who do. But then again, I have terminal anxiety ;-).
Playing on the boarder of patience and any2, is risky business.
You start out mucking all the junk hands, hand after hand in the muck. Then finally a hand AKo on the button, one UTG limper a tricky aggressive player. You raise, the blinds and early limper call.
The flop is rags, all check to you and you make the required pre-flop raiser bet with over cards. The blinds fold, early limper raises, and you know he has none of the flop so you re-raise, and he caps.
The turn more rags and he bets, your craby now that you get no respect or help on the turn and raise, he calls, the river, no help, he checks, you foolishly bet, he calls and you loose to medium pocket pair. Now it makes sense. But it's to late you burned up too many chips.
Now any2willdo just so you can catch up on the stupid play you just made. But, any2 just doesn't work for you, because you never take it to the river where the miracles hit.
Playing on the boarder is risky business, better to stay on one side or the other, you can't play from patience to any2, it's called tilt.
SPM,...learning the lesson over and over and over again...
SPM: Read and take to heart every damn post from Jim Brier.
There was a sound bite being played quite a bit over NPR lately.
This sound bite is taken from a pre election interview with George W. Bush. It goes something like this:
Interviewer: Mr. Bush, many polls indicate that there is a strong possibility that, while you may win the popular vote in this election, the Vice President may win the electoral vote and the presidency. What will you do if this happens?
Mr. Bush: I would implore the electors of the electoral college to change their votes and vote for me in order to reflect the will of the American people.
Man I HATE Bush. I've never seen such a hypocrite. And it saddens me that the American people aren't smart enough, in general, to see through George Bush's campaign.
GW - I don't trust the Federal Government! I want more local control! Except when it comes to elections - I don't want ANY local control over that! Yep let the federal government handle those matters - local government just can't be trusted.
Makes me want to projectile vomit all over my computer.
if you believe anyone involved is not a hypocrite, including yourself, then you are as idiot.
is learning to admit when you are wrong. Most posters on this forum don't seem to have progressed to this stage of development yet.
and his name rhymes with oothb.
by the way, i havent forgotten the way you talked to greg. you have some nerve showing your face around these parts.
Are you bringing up that 74 offsuit in the blind crap again? Man I am going to piss my pants laughing at you. No wonder you are a losing poker player.
Go pester someone else dumbass.
take your 4th Reich crap back to Austin Texas
What exactly is an idot?
A liberal on a Prozac binge and typing the key boards same time.
I'm no fan of NPR so I haven't heard the quote. I would not be surprised if Bush said this "tongue in cheek", or followed this with a serious sentence pointing out that the electoral college is what matters. In any event, it doesn't matter since the electoral college is what matters.
NPR is so left leaning that they would happily edit then Governor Bush out of context.
You really think NPR would remix the tape of the interview this way? Ya know, unreasonable paranoia is a symptom of a variety of mental illnesses, including schizophrenia. However, modern medicine has come a long way toward finding ways to make the lives of people like you more comfortable. Seek therapy.
You think Bush said this tongue in cheek? Or that he really meant the opposite? You are stupid. Then I suppose we could say the same for Al Gore's alleged claims that he invented the internet.
Just for the record, this is what Gore REALLY said -
'I led the initiative in Congress to develop the internet.'
Unfortunately you Rush Limbaugh braindead zombies are incapable of independent thought and you just believe what others tell you.
OK, I'm stupid. Tomorrow If I have time I'll look up an example from one of the debates where the liberal media accused Bush of calling Nigeria a continent and that was clearly taken out of context.
C'mon tell him--you're a Dennis Prager brain dead zombie. Seriously, though, do a little background reading about W., and you'll be as appalled as Smooth B.
Do you have any objective reading to recommend?
Austin Texas uber Alles!
"Unfortunately you Rush Limbaugh braindead zombies are incapable of independent thought and you just believe what others tell you. "
You quoted Gore as saying: 'I led the initiative in Congress to develop the internet.'
You are either a liberal word bender or uneducated to the real facts.
During an interview with Wolf Blitzer last in March 1999, Gore said,
'During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet.'
Very differnt quotes to say the least. I do not think Gore was "lying" but chose his words poorly.
Ironically it was Bush senior that signed the bill.
I still don't like Gore anyhow, ever since his uppity wife formed the PMRC. Do you know what that was? How do you defend that? Please respond to that Smoothb.
Heres your quote with Bush allegedly calling Nigeria a continent. Even your bleeding liberal heart must agree that it's bs. He never said it that way!
"LEHRER: So what would you say, Governor, to somebody who would say, "Hey, wait a minute. Why not Africa? I mean, why the Middle East? Why the Balkans, but not Africa when 600,000 people's lives are at risk?"
BUSH: Well, I understand. And Africa's important, and we've got to do a lot of work in Africa to promote democracy and trade. And there's some -- the vice president mentioned Nigeria. It's a fledgling democracy. We've got to work with Nigeria. That's an important continent."
That's why I hate politics it's bulls**t and they know that 90% of the population is brainwashed into believing anything they hear or read, they don't have the intelligence or initiative to get the facts straight firsthand.
Welcome to spin city!!!!
Actually I was going to look up the Nigeria/Africa/Continent quote out of context used to bash Bush as an example where the liberal media's bias is clearly shown. Thanks for saving me the work.
The think that still gets me is the DUI controversy a few days before the election. At the time it was a minor offense (he was right at the limit and stopped for driving too slowly) and the infraction was expunged from his record, which was common back then in the pre-MADD days.
Compare Bush's single DUI with Ted Kennedy's involvement in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. He was a serious contender for President four times after that incident, and if he wasn't a Kennedy he probably would have been tried for manslaughter.
You're joking, right? The conservative talk radio faction that seems to have taken over the nation's airwaves doesn't have a bias? Bush's foreign policy skill and apptitude are and have been a huge concern for his own staff, along with others in countries all over the world that follow our election closely.
The conservative talk radio shows are OPEN advocates and are advertised as such. There is a big difference between Rush Limbaugh bashing Clinton and liberalism for an audience of like-minded citizens and NewYorkTimesClintoNewsNetwork DanRatherPeterJenningsTomBrokawJudyWoodruff serving as mouthpieces for the liberal spin machine in their role as "objective" news journalists.
If the difference has to be pointed out to you, you probably don't care anyway.
Oh, now I get it. The conservative mouthpieces simply declare their bias at the outset while they carry their coals to Newcastle. And that makes Limbaugh, what? Answer: a paragon of virtue. Thanks for setting me straight.
Let’s divide news media into the following categories:
1) Talk Radio – I’m no big fan of Rush (although I don’t dislike him) but most top talk radio hosts are conservative (especially in terms of ratings). Dennis Prager would be viewed as a moderate/conservative in most of the country. But of course you are in an academic environment bereft of conservative thought so he would seem on the far right to you. Maybe the left will come up with someone worth listening to, but so far they haven’t as far as I can tell.
2) Political Pundits – Probably an even split in terms of readership, but the best IMO are conservative (e.g., George Will and Charles Krauthammer (sp?) )
3) Editorial Pages – Not even close. Overwhelmingly liberal especially if weighted by readership (i.e., the big city papers are almost always liberal).
4) Front line journalists – I remember reading a pool where 87% of them voted for Mondale in a year when Reagan wiped him out in the election. Their bias can be quantified by using Lexus/Nexus to see how often Senators carry the Conservative versus Liberal label in a routine news story. It’s a joke.
Of course we also have academia, where you have zero shot at tenure in the liberal arts department of almost any major University if you show anything but scorn for conservative thought. Lastly we have Hollywood; of course, if Alec Baldwin would keep his promise there would be one less leftist there.
My academic environment is full of conservatives, just not in my department.
I'm a big fan of Rush Limbaugh's because he's so much fun to listen to; actually, he's more predictable than Poker Veteran. Once I heard him use "hyperbole" as a verb in an attempt to show off his vocabulary. He even pronounced it "hyper bowl." Of course, the advertisers on his show sell things like "improve-your-vocabulary kits" because they are well aware of Limbaugh's demographics.
One fact surprised me: 13% of front line jounalists actually voted for Reagan? Amazing.
Alec Baldwin is not a leftist; he's a liberal. Big difference.
"Alec Baldwin is not a leftist; he's a liberal. Big difference."
But, of course, there is no difference between an individualist/"conservative" and the reactionary, racist, gun-toting, oklahoma-bombing, facist, land-raping, air-polluting, swastika-brandishing, angry, balding, middle-aged, and (worst of all) WHITE male establishment media caricuture.
You're joking, right? I simply meant there's a difference between leftists and liberals. I find most liberals too conservative, but your take on my brief comment says much more about your thinking than mine.
Bush's personal aptitude has about as much clout as the Queen of England in her country. They are just mantle pieces.
The worst damage a president could do is embarrass himself and family in front of the world.....
Sorry Rick, but G.W. Dubya was correct. Nigeria is a continenet right between Pluto and Venus. You and Cole sure are stupid.
You are just bitter because your "internet inventor" lost. If you think Bush would have really contested the election in the way that Gore did you are the one who is an idiot. Bush won Gore lost!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha, victory over you worthless liberal scum that infest our great country like the fucking plague. Keep feeling bitter, I enjoy seeing a bleeding heart liberal in the pain of defeat. Later, and enjoy the rise of the GOP.
Prescott Bush Robbed Geronimo's grave, used acid to clean of the remaining flesh, and pilfered the bones for the Skull and Bones Society at Yale. John McCain was approached and attempted to get the bones back in 1986. George H.W. Bush's brother Jonathan refused to give them back. You are the sick racist pig my friend.
not nice to use other peoples "user name" for your devious mischief and profanity....time to grow up son. Go to the rpg forum and converse with the other imbeciles, and good riddance.
i'm not attrcted to men.
Bush just happen to win the election,close one I my add,politicians are habititual liars, like Gore claiming to have invented the internet, yea Bush lied about that stupid DUI about 30 years ago,if I wanted to I could create a list of lies both candidates had committed in their speaches, but why bore the readers with tedious nonsense...stop speaking the same nonstop whinning liberal jargon ,and state real reasons why you dont like Bush, not the same liberal spiel I been hearing fot the last 30 years. Be a man and except Bush as the 43rd president and get on with your life...
Sure they are. I'm just happy my liar won.
The most truthful person in the election was probably Senator McCain, my man, maybe next time.
smoothb has been posting a lot on incorrect and misleading information on several forums. he is also quick to regress towards personal attacks, unfortunately bereft of humor.
he has tried to insult every poster who failed to agree with his rantings and heap lavish praise upon their author. well, i've had enough.
i challenge smoothb to a battle of wits. for the princess. to the death. you can choose the arena, though i think it should be poker or politics, as that is what most of your disinformation concerns. if you choose politics feel free to pick any country and any era and any issue. i may require a few days to research, of course, but preparation time should be structured into the game you design.
i cant force you to accept and, to be honest, i dont think you will. i think you know that i have the better command of logic and the english language and you have little desire to be embarrassed in public. that's ok. just do not reply to this post and i'll interpret it as a forfiet. that should damage your credibility enough to save a few lurkers from blindly following your costly advice.
I had to wait a few minutes before I could post a response. I was laughing so hard that I could barely read my monitor because my eyes were so watery.
I can't think of anything we could discuss that would involve a subject where I don't have you seriously outgunned. I do want to give you a fighting chance though.
You did say that I could choose the arena - if I just wanted to slam dunk you without effort or contest I would just choose chemistry - I have a Ph.D. But I am sure you know nothing about this subject and that wouldn't be fair or satisfying.
I could choose law but I have you there too - I am a 3rd year law student. I don't think you could touch me in that area either.
To make it as easy for you as possible and to give you some reasonable chance, we could make it poker. At least you believe that you have some knowledge in that area and I don't have to worry that you'll cry 'No fair no fair!' when the contest is over.
But there are a couple of conditions. I would not accept a simple vote to be held to determine the winner because I don't trust the opinion of most of the lurkers here. They might actually come to the same illogical conclusions that you do.
I would only accept one of the masters as an arbiter. Sklansky, Malmuth, Zee, Ed Hill, etc. I suppose the questions could be of the 'what is the best play' format.
poker seems particularly appropriate considering our surroundings and poker certainly works for me. i dont know ed hill, but any of the others you mentioned would be an acceptable arbiter.
as would jim brier, skp, john feeney, rick, vince, and others.
i am hoping it is not a "best play" question, but a "best play and why" where the judge is to determine who accurately considers more factors and recognizes more accumptions and best argues for his stance.
i hope that one of the above names can find time to settle our little dispute.
you should have chosen chemistry; you likely would have won.
Personally, I don't think I could handle any more judge’s decisions.
The ability to apply knowledge in the heat of battle is far more impressive than an essay contest. You should fight it out "ego to ego" in an online head to head match.
This could become a 2+2 tradition. Imagine settling disputes on the field of honor, instead of by personal insults.
Diane from Green Bay could have a field day kicking ass.
no. here's why. head to head on line is raked way too hard. also there is too much variance in a single session to draw any conclusions. you cant judge a play by the results. the winning player would have no claim to title of "more rational" or "more skilled." there would be no point in playing head to head. i dont want smoothie's money; i need his pride and dignity.
if you want there to be varying degrees of temporal pressure i would agree to having the time limit set as short as 2 minutes or as long as 2 weeks.
i dont want it solved by insults; i want it solved by rational discourse or a fight to the death.
Scott, I suggest you let God be the judge in this matter.
Play heads up online for play money. Since you are battling for wits anyway, theres more at stake than cash. This would be free, realtime, and allow others to watch. You could play for a set amount of time or till one goes bust. Your choice.
Theres no other way to do it. If you wanna match poker wits, the last man standing wins.
I'll play winner....
the results aren't what matters.
if one person thinks about a situation all wrong and then happens to make the correct play they have less understanding than someone who thinks about a question almost correctly and makes a wrong play.
and i have no idea why you would rather us play than answer questions. it would be much more valuable to a learning player to see my answers than to see me play heads up.
If you have things so well thought out, you know that poker involves some luck and mistakes, but if you can consistenly outhink your opponent you will beat him. Not only that, it one thing to write spaced out prose in long threads on the game, and a whole other thing to be able to applies those ideas, adjust to them, and do it in the heat of battle. I think a much more "poker wit" contest involves heads up play, than a jeopardy format. Please, any jackass can read a question at home than look up the answers in books and online reference. If for some odd reason you outplayed him all the way and still lost, the witness' would easily pick up on that. You're in a win, win situation, that is if you really think you can beat him...but your response seems like your backing down, trying to make excuses to get out of it.
BTW, I really doubt "a learning player" has much interest in a mental debate between you two posters. I'm sorry that's not flattering. I'm just offering my opionion, take it or leave it. I'd kind of like to see the outcome since you both talk so much $hit. See who goes down.
"i dont want it solved by insults; i want it solved by rational discourse or a fight to the death."
now that's funny.
Sorry. Count me out. I don't open anything SmoothB authors.
To make things interesting, I think the two of you ought to decide on a panel of judges (perhaps 3). I am sure you will garner enough volunteers.
While I appreciate having my name thrown into the hat, I would probably opt to bow out. While I am sure that I can offer an unbiased opinion, the fact is that SmoothB and I have had a couple of run-ins (albeit minor) and a decision unfavourable to him may be perceived as being based on immaterial reasons....
...not only must justice be done, it must also be seen to be done.
Good luck to both of you...this ought to be fun.
Well, count me out for sure...just read smoothB's post in response to Rick below...what a f'n A-hole this guy is...there's no way I could offer an unbiased opinion...hope you kick his ass, scott.
You may now understand why I don't open any response authored by SmoothB.
" At least you believe that you have some knowledge in that area and I don't have to worry that you'll cry 'No fair no fair!' when the contest is over. "
gee.. who does this sound like? al bore anyone?
when you lose will you take it to the courts smoothb?
Any 2-town shyster can claim anything on the internet, third year law student, hmmm, I call...showtime!
Now it all makes sense. SmoothB is a law student! And a 3L at that! Now I understand why he thinks he knows everything. We will actually have to a wait a year before he realizes that he knows very little.
Jon I. (two years out).
skill is a bitch!
We play a heads up match on IRC poker. I think that is the best possible way to settle this.
I would ask you to lighten up a little. Your attitude is very immature.
Let's set the stakes. Whoever wins our little contest won't show his face around here for ANY reason for 30 days.
However, before their leave of absense, the loser must post a public letter on the Other Topics forum explaining that they were beaten fairly, and that the best man emerged on top.
How many hands should we play to settle this? How many can be played in one hour on IRC? Shall we say 200 hands?
I await your reply.
I will under no circumstances play on line for money, and that's that. I will never send one penny of my money until I am POSITIVE that they are on the level, and that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
But IRC is a different matter. We could also have witnesses present.
You could download the Paradise or Planet software for free, and just use the play money tables. Uninstall it when your done, no commitmnet whatsoever. You could do 200 hands in under 2 hours with Paradise software. Again it would be free, fast, no rake, allow for railbirds, and you could talk trash during the game too. If I was free at the time it went down, I'd check it out for sure.
I tried downloading Paradise once for free play and this was a mandatory requirement to prove you were'nt a minor. By giving your credit card number over the net is no difference than wiring cash over the net which I will never do! especially for free play, why help El Jefe out...............
Why not the fight to the death?
no judges no poker its too hard to make the contest work smoothly. how about you each ask the other any question you like by email and wait for the reply and the next question. the first to get three correct in an equal number of turns wins. if you want, make a short time limit so the person cant look up the answer. the prize will be something that you like and really dont want to part with. the loser must send it to the winner it can be anything but must be genuine. no hard feelings after its over. no one is allowed to be sidelined for any amount of time as we need you both equally here.
"make a short time limit so the person cant look up the answer."
Mr Zee sir, I'm ready to be asked any question, from Astrophysics to Zoology (zeelogy?), on the web. Searching the web in the sly and finding the right answer is a snap, in 95% of the cases.
The only thing that could eliminate some of the web cheating is posing questions back and forth online and in real time, with no more than 15 seconds to respond. (And even that would be enough for a fast engine on a fast modem to mess it up.)
I think the type of questions Ray had in mind, were poker related. Your not gonna find a url that tells you how to play 78s in late postion with three callers in an unraised pot searging Google, even with a T3 connection.
And I do think he meant for them to do the questions using e-mail or an instant messenger such as ICQ or AOL etc...so there would be little lag in "real time".
Actually, I don't think we need smoothb here. His posts are insulting and infantile. After his latest personal attacks on me, I won't be reading anything else he writes. Also, I have serious doubts that he has ever played poker. If he wants to be taken seriously, he should identify himself and tell us where and what he plays.
i like the idea of telling who you are and where you play but i happy as long as when i read a post i know its from someone whos posts ive read before and can identify them and not from someone who changes the name to fit the post. those i rarely read or pay attention to.
SmoothB already tried posting under various hateful, bigoted aliases like Adolf Bush during his well-received absence.
It drove me crazy for last month all this "we're gonna win", "no we're gonna win" bs. Who's we? People, unless you've got a cabinent spot lined up, a bill to lobby, or some good blackmail to market, YOU win NOTHING! How can people take it so personally? We all lose.
The race was not about Bush or Gore, those guys have about as much power as you or I do. They have all kinds of deals to fufill now, party favors to pay back, favors to repay for contributions etc.... The president is nothing more than a puppet for their political party. The personality or individual means nothing. Bush (or Gore) will never make a decision that hasn't been, watered down, syphoned and passed through a party filtering process. Not one speech made by Gore or Bush was written by themselves. They are no more legitimate than Milli Vanilli or N'Sync lip syncing to someone else. Sad but true.
And the waste, my God, It makes me sick. We've all heard the stories of $2000 hammers and $15,000 toilet seats. The Clinton investigation cost another $200 million, The Elian thing cost $50 million to return the kid to his father.
It's sad they need to spend so much money, $350 million dollars, in less than a year on just tryoing to get elected.
Check this out:
George W. Bush $183,052,265 Al Gore $117,835,012 Pat Buchanan $33,659,547 Ralph Nader $7,566,094 Harry Browne $2,093,341
On the Florida ballot there was a yes/no vote to start developing an interstate monorail system. I was like sweet thats cool, I'll vote yes. Then I found out that $10 million dollars has already been spent on the project. $10 freakin million dollars and they hadn't even sent the vote to the people yet! What if it was voted against? Passed by 2%, I think thats a little close to have already dropped $10 million dollars.
If that above half a billion dollars went to just salaries for schoolteachers, you would see a marked increase in the quality of education kids recieve. Smarter well educated young people would lead to real change. There are lots of great minds that could really educate high school kids but would wouldn't go into a profession that pays less than 40,000 a year on average. Hell, Sklanky wants half a million a year to detect cheating on a poker website. I'm not a teacher, and don't know any that well personally. It's my opinion.
Anyway if you want to flame me and tear me up,go ahead bring it!!! I can take all u got and more.
In the words of Marshall Mathers: "I am whatever you say I am, and if I wasn't, then why would I say I am"
I'm tired but have time for a few points.
$350 million for presidential politics is peanuts in a nation this size. I think George Will pointed out that we spend more money on yogurt than all political campaigns.
Back in the eighties the cost of a mil-spec hammer was about $8. The outrageous figures you hear were usually due to the way the military accounted for a parts kit for a piece of complex equipment. Let's say you had a twenty million dollar field radar unit. The parts kit contained expensive circuit cards, mechanical assemblies and a circuit card insertion tool that could loosely be called a hammer. Each unit came with a spare parts kit. The procurement overhead would often be spread equally over each part, whether it was a $50 tool or a $3000 circuit card. So you would end up with a $200 hammer. Yet the kit was always purchased as a whole per contract.
The $15,000 toilet seat (actually it was around $300 if memory serves me) was specially constructed for the B1 Bomber and was fabricated to fit in a tight spot and in limited quantities. This drives per unit costs up.
The $1000 "Coffee Maker" for the B1 Bomber was a special unit designed to provide all sorts of hot liquids and foods for pilots who where expected to patrol for up to ten hours. It needed to be spill proof and the cost was not out of line if you realized what it actually was and did.
That being said, there is tremendous waste in military procurement, but the real waste does not make neat sound bites and doesn't make the papers.
Good bye Diane, lets battle, SmoothB & scott,
I'm wore out from all the posts and treads, I need a rest.
SPM,...no story today, nobody reads them...just threapy for the hold'em junkie me...
Even fighter squadrons stand down every now and then for safety reasons. I'm on poker sabbatical myself until the 29th. Enjoy the rest.
Please no rest Suburban Poker Man. I look forward to your posts each and every day. Do not deprive your loyal and humble subjects of you devine inspirations.
Frank Donnelly, devotee and disciple of the celebrity Suburban Poker Man
A snowbird, who flies from the VoP in the early part of the night when rested, to slum in Any2CardTown later at night when tired, requests further guidance from the Mayor..Slinking back into the VoP the next day, under the disapproving eyes of the Rock garden, makes one feel ashamed. Without the reaffirming voice of the Mayor, will I have to leave every night at 2 am and retire to the quiet streets of the VoP or accept my vacations to A2CT as a guilty pleasure?
and enjoy your offbeat stories and exploits. Happy Holiday's to you and yours SPM!
Don't be selfish with your very special talent Suburban Poker Man. Your advice, commentary and play by play updates are very much needed especially by folks such as myself. To deprive your audience of your column at this point in time would be criminal.
You have always been the defender of the right to play any two cards which the Midnight Marauder continually promotes and practices in his game. How would it look to your constituency and supporters if you were to stop writing your daily column now.
Besides "the professor" gets a great deal of information from your postings for his book which should be out shortly. I am sure he is going to compensate you in one manner or another for the information you have provided.
I read your posts and think they are hilarious. If I don't respond it is because I don't know how to be your Yang to my Ying or whatever.
Have a great holiday and come back to posting again!
10. John Malkovich as John Malkovich in being John Malkovich
9. Frank Sinatra, Jr. as himself in the "Executive Game" episode of the Sopranos
8. Bill Clinton as a lying, weasel-wording, chief executive in the Monica Lewinsky deposition
7. John Wayne as himself in every Western
6. The one-armed veteran guy who played himself in "The Best Years of Our Lives"
5. Madonna as her skanky ho self in Truth or Dare
4. Johnny Chan as Johnny Chan in Rounders
3. Al Gore as the "Not too hot, not too cold, just right Al Gore" in the 3rd Presidential debate
2. Keith Hernandez as Keith Hernandez on Seinfeld
1. Rob Reiner the actor as Rob Reiner the director in This is Spinal Tap
Who is the weather guy on the today show? Al Rocha? I have to put his seinfeld appearance above Hernandez's.
gotta have larry bird on cheers on the list.
Kevin McHale was better as himself on Cheers.
I'd also add: Kareem Abdul Jabbar as himself in Airplane
and my #1 Bob Barker as himself in Happy Gilmore
forgot about Bob Barker. Still have to go with Bird, though. Those guys from Hanover are Doofusses.
Alex Trebeck. That was the funniest episode of that show IMO.
"Who are people that have never been in my kitchen?"
What a riot.
Remember some of the categories Cliff got?
Stamps of the World, Beer, and Celibacy are three that come immediately to mind.
Has to be one of my alltime fave Cheers, too. The Squeaky Shoes episode and the one where Woody gets his blonde girlfriend's dad drunk were another couple of beaut's, too.
Bret Farb was good as himself in 'omething about Mary'
It was good to see Joe Frasier in Rocky.
Babe Ruth in Pride of the Yankees.
1984 - A girl I was dating lived in the same condo complex as Rob Halford. I was a big Judas Priest fan, so we went and rang his doorbell. He's very nice. I didn't mention that I thought they peaked with their second album, "Sad Wings of Destiny."
1988 - I'm standing in line at a walkup pizzeria at Park Central with my friend, Shelly, behind Cotton Fitzsimmons. He ordered a slice of pepperoni and (if you've ever heard his Kansas accent on broadcasts) a daahuht coke. Shelley can't help herself, and mocks him, "diiaaahuht." Cotton turns, stares and laughs.
1989 - I'm doing business at a urinal after Hearns-Leonard fight at Caesars when a short intense guy in a tux files into the one next to me. I can now honestly say I had it out with Marvin Hagler for one round and held my own.
1989-1991 - I knew most of the players on the Arizona teams then(and the same when I was at ASU earlier), but I lived in the same neighborhood in Tucson as Sean Rooks and we'd always be at the store or whatever. During offseason most of the guys on the team would play on the A court at the student center along with whoever was bold enough to venture. One day I'm running a 3 on 1 break with Sean standing right in the paint defending. I wait til the last minute to dish, but too late -- he sticks a paw out to deflect, and in doing so misses and hits me square in the mouth. I'm flat on my back with blood everywhere. I stagger up and though I'm a little woozy, I finished the game. By the time it was over, my t-shirt was soaked in blood, but after that I always got picked up by anyone.
1992 - Stumbled onto some event once at a hotel whereat a bunch of young ladies in red and white Arizona Cardinals cheerleaders outfits are about to go in and entertain. The thing is, they were rather, um, plain looking. So I don't think it's really them. My friend says they are. I bet him $10. So I ask the nearest one, "are you really the Cards' cheerleaders?" "Why you don't think we are cuz we're ugly??" Never in my life have I wanted to beam off the planet as bad as I did right then.
1995 - Before she made the national spotlight, Jodi Applegate was the host of the most popular morning show in Phoenix. The Scrabble media machine always circulates hometown press releases during the big tournaments and after a particular one that summer(where I actually did quite poorly compared to my expectation), Jodi, an avid recreational Scrabble player, took the bait and had the producers get me on the show. I show up at like 4:30 in the morning (that was when I was self-unemployed pokerer, so that hour was particularly harsh) and just sit in the waiting room for several hours alone thinking that I have been forgotten. Around 8:00 or so, I get called in and we're on air and yukking it up. [Interlude: remember in the first Terminator when the robot encounters a situation and has like a dozen choices of how to reply and just generates a random number, and comes up with f*** you, a******. Well that's what happens to my brain sometimes, some kind of decision tree Tourette's Syndrome] Eventually the following rapid-fire exchange takes place:
"So, Jim, how did you learn all those words?"
"Well, while sitting in your waiting room the past few hours, I got a chance to go over most of the dictionary."
"Oooh, Jim slams us. Well, Jim, maybe next time you won't finish 29th"
"Yeah, maybe. And I won't be doing Good Morning Arizona with all of 12 people watching."
Anyway, Jodi and I really hit it off after that, and they had me on for three more segments. On air, viewers saw the overlaying graphic go from "Scrabble Cam" to "Slam Cam."
1996 - Met Dick Butkus while attending a live ESPN Superbowl Greats show being filmed in Phoenix. Got to ask Randy White a question on air. (We got there early and actually seated ourselves in the location that we deemed most likely to get picked by a strolling microphone.) My best friend Matt asked Marcus Allen some lame question. My wife said he blew his chance at entering the pantheon of live television notoriety had he only asked Marcus the topical, "so, with all this stuff coming out in the OJ trial, will you be sleeping with any more of your friends' wives?"
1996 - Bob Dole was at some campaign rally a day or so before the Texas primary the same day my girlfriend (now wife) and I were in San Antonio. So we stopped by. (I had already voted earlier in the Arizona primary for Phil Gramm). I shook hands with him. There was some weird guy carrying a boom box(think of the movie Bad Boys) who kept trying to push his way to the front saying "I must see Bob Dole." Ever the vigilant citizen, I repeatedly gave him a two-arm shove back into the throng. Could have been the Ambassador Hotel all over. This is 100% true, and my wife will attest word for word.
1999 - Promoting Scrabble as part of National Literacy Week on a different local morning TV show. After my bit, but while I was on the set still, Sean Young waltzes in to promo some arty movie she was doing. She was pleasant and made at least one self-referential comment about being crazy. My wife says I stared at her chest the whole time though I say the videotape evidence is "inconclusive."
2000 - (not a "real" celebrity, but it's poker related) Patri and I are checking out of Binion's midway through the Series, and Noel Furlong is talking to the clerk next to ours. I wasn't eavesdropping, but it became quickly apparent that Noel had had some package delivered and was trying to pick it up. But the clerk wouldn't let him have it without ID, which he didn't have on him. Without being boastful, he says to her in a hushed tone, "you know, I won the whole thing last year," but she looks at him like he's speaking bush people click-talk. For some reason, my impish nature took over, and I burst out, "Hey, I know you! You're Phil Hellmuth!" Perhaps shocked by the enthusiasm, she handed him the package without saying another word. He thanked me and walked on.
well, i understand why you are trying to shift our confrontation to a scenario where you have the random chance as your possible ally. you know you cant possibly match me in wit or elloquence or depth of thought. the likely counter point that, as gator says, "any jackass can read a question at home than look up the answers in books and online reference." is ridiculous. while this is partially true, i am part of the reason that it is true. as are the people who declined to be judges as they could not be trusted to appear impartial.
you see? everyone hates you, smoothie.
let me also say, that i resent, as a black militant, your various intimations that people of color are unable to adquately navigate our votes, our families, and our very lives. maybe we are disinclined to vote because of all you hypocrite crackers trying to shove propaganda down our throats. maybe we are disclined to work because we dont want to fill whitey's coffers. maybe we turn to crime because we are training for war. the war against you. ever thought of that, smoothie?
hope that keeps you awake night.
The last thing I want to do is get in the middle of this mess, but scott, if you're black, you would likely be the only black American named scott, and certainly about the only one attending Columbia.
That's about as probable as some northern Alberta Ukranian named Antawan or Jermaine attending the University of Alberta.
Peace out, 'bro.
This is evidence--- hmmmm.....
Frequently you display a high degree of intelligence and originality. However on the occasions when you lapse into this militant stuff you no longer appear to be guided by logic but rather by emotions which may unfortunately be misdirected. I don't even know if you are serious when you do it, but in my opinion the whole black militant mindset is today as useless and counterproductive as white militancy, or for that matter, any similar ideology.
If you actually think that black people might not want to work today because they don't want to fill whitey's coffers, then you are living in a past that ended long before you were ever born. Furthermore, ascribing that type of thinking to black people today is a greater insult to their intelligence and abilities than anything even Archie Bunker might be able to dream up.
...and it appears that you were probably being facetious with that particular statement.
However I do think that militancy of any such nature in our country today is at best misdirected and a waste of time and effort, and at worst, an invitation to the young adults, to the slow-minded, and to the emotionally troubled to blame others for their circumstances and avoid taking resonsibility for their own lives.
The notion that blacks or any other peoples in this country today are severely repressed is simply untrue. So militancy...for what???
It is end of the term. Scott is totally happy the classes are over. He probably did very well so mom and dad will be pleased. He is most likely totally stoned and just goofing on you all. Peace to all and wishing you a happy 4 years under your new president
Why would anyone want to stone scott? Because he is goofy as you implied maybe or did he do something really bad, like take matters into his own hands regarding this Jessica Alba character?
Perhaps my english is not so good but i did not mean to infer scott should be stoned like david did to goliath but rather is stoned like the beatniks in new york's grenewich village. Scott is from new york-no?
they stone ya when ya tryin' to be so good. (yes they will!) they stone you just like they said they would. (oh yeah!) they stone ya when you're trying to go home. (wheee!!) they stone you when you're there all alone. (whoa!!)
but i would not feel so all alone. everybody must get stoned.
congratulations M, you made the list. Other notable inductees are SmoothB, scott, and AlexB's fiance. You also made the list of people with no sense of humor. Here's my impression of a conversation between scott and you:
Scott(telling a funny story): ... And then Mark stopped the car to avoid slamming into a shopping cart, and krister ran smack into the door with hilarious consequences.
M: I don't get it
scott: You see, it's funny cause an unforeseen turn of events resulted in the nonserious injury of a comic figure
M: I still don't get it
scott: It's a joke
M: OH, a joke. I get jokes. hahahaha
with apologies to Homer
I still don't get it.
Okay, two days of reading this soap opera between you and SmoothB.
I'm new to this forum and maybe I missed the opening episode.
Can you bring me up to date (short version please), and please leave the bigotry out, it's the mental illness of the human race, and I find it offensive.
SPM,...watching the fight from a safe distance I hope...
Maybe he isn't black but is a black militant.
The Midnight Marauder is hereby giving notice that he has decided to focus on the big blinds of another two fish in the 10/20 Hold-Em game at Hollywood. “Just another egg” has taken enough abuse and punishment from the Midnight Marauder and hopefully has learned his lesson and will never again taunt or tease the Midnight Marauder. As far as the other “egg’s” big blind, the Midnight Marauder has clearly not achieved his intended goal and objective. The “egg” has successfully countered many of the Marauder’s raising attacks against his big blind and has dealt the Midnight Marauder a number of severe blows in the process. Although the Midnight Marauder gets a great deal of satisfaction and pleasure in harassing the “egg” by raising his big blind on a regular basis, it has become a dangerous and unprofitable escapade on his behalf. Therefore, raising the “eggs” big blind will only occur when the Marauder feels the “egg” is vulnerable or when the “egg” buys the rack. Buying the rack on the part of the “egg” will force the Marauder to start raising the “egg’s” big blind immediately without any reservation. Such actions on the part of the “egg” will not be tolerated.
Now the question is, who’s big blind should the Midnight Marauder go after? In Sunday’s game, the Marauder toyed with attacking the big blind of a 5/10 player which clearly proved to be no challenge or enjoyment. The “professor’s” big blind would be a challenge but since he is writing a book, giving poker lessons and consulting daily with Sklansky, Malmuth, Suzuki, Paymar, Harris, and Yamamoto, the Midnight Marauder would obviously be outmatched and overcome by his skill and maneuverability as he was to a certain degree with the “egg’s ” response. After much consideration, consultation and crown royal, the Midnight Marauder has decided to go after the big blinds of two very good players who are notable veterans of the game who haven’t wrote any books or give poker lessons.
Although some may think this tactic on the Midnight Marauder’s part is foolish, useless, wasteful and expensive, keep in mind that it has a number of hidden benefits which often times can’t be seen or realized by the reader until put into real practice. As for proof, just look at the play and results of the Midnight Marauder.
Who’s big blind will be next?
Excuse me Dealer,
How much is in the rack please!?!?!?!?!?
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
Oh please, not me!!!!
One whose eggs are always scrambled.
I may be the defender of the right of any player to play any two cards, but please don't pick me. I've already experienced your develish behavior.
SPM,...looking over my shoulder from the blinds...
I was wore out from all the posts about good bye Diane and The war between SmoothB & Scott. I just needed a rest. Now I need some action, but one of my daughters is coming in from AZ today.
SPM,...I need action...
I AM KING OF THE EGGS. STOP PICKUNG ON MY PEOPLE!!!! I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WERE YOU LIVE.
King of the egg,
You make yoke? or queen pawn to queen 4...
SPM,...call before coming over, 1-800, Any 2card Town...
Just so those of you outside the world of the “prestigieous” Hollywood casino poker room might have some background, I’ll share a little bit of what I know about Mr. Marauder. I use the term Mr. out of shear respect and terror. Respect for his ever improving holdem’ game. And terror because of how easily he can make stacks of my chips just disappear. I liked Mr. Marauder much better when he played more starting hands than some self proclaimed suburban folk hero bouncing around these boards. Now he’s tighter than a naked 14 year old catholic school girl standing outside in January. He used to have more leaks in his game than the Titanic. But Noooooooooooooo. Not anymore. He’s read books. He’s studied with the great ones… Everybody with a bankroll can hire Sklansky or Malmuth for one on one training like he has, but we don’t even have access to the world renowned, underground Zen Masters of poker like Suzuki, Paymar, Harris, and Yamamoto. Most of you eggs probably haven’t even heard of these esoteric experts let alone have the contacts, financial backing or prestige enough for the opportunity to study with them. Rumor has it, Mr. Marauder was into his fourth month of studding on a mountain top in Tibet with Yamamaoto when he personally solved the age old question “What is the sound of one card shuffling?” Now he sits there concentrating, plotting and attacking. Just the thought of those cold analyizing eyes studing me… my every twitch, my tells announcing to him my inferior attempts to play holdem’ is enough to turn a well disciplined poker player into a crazy man running from the poker table… flailing his arms above his head, screaming and throwing cards…. Which is exactly what happened last Thursday. It was quite embarrassing. I had just very porley played an inferior hand such as AA against his superior skill set and a hand like 64s. With his sinister calculating stare, this Zen Master of poker took those aces and crammed them where the sun don’t shine. After running multiple computer simulations, taking into account his skill set, starting cards, his Ninja style of play, and his understanding of the fourth dimension, it became readily apparent to me how much of an underdog I was in the hand. This however has taken me the better part of a week to calculate. Mr. Marauder perform this complex analysis in milliseconds. But enough of the background… you all now understand the sinister ferociousness of this man. A mild mannered bank executive by day…. An evil Zen Master Ninja of poker after midnight. Mr Marauder, thank you for calling off your relentless attack before you completely depleted my bank roll.
Verry humbly yours, Just another egg.
I have tried accessing rgp through Deja Vu and I am now getting an error message that states: "rec.gambling.poker" is no longer a valid name. Is anyone else having this problem?
Can't help you but I still wonder why don't you use a newsreader (Outlook Express, Forte Free Agent, Netscape Messenger, etc.) for RGP?
I have Outlook Express but when I use it what I get is not as well organized as what I get when I go through Deja. I just tried Deja again and everything is fine. It sure is bizarre though.
Give Forte Free Agent a try. It is custom made for reading news and I know Mike Caro uses the $30 version (which adds a spell checker). The link to the download can be found at:
If you have any problems setting it up I should be able to help you tomorrow night. In the meantime, I may give deja a try just to see what you guys like about it.
I was driving into work today and saw a billboard from a local hospital. I read, in part, "Drunk Driving: $3,000. Cab fare: $10." The clear implication was drunk driving is far more expensive than just getting a cab.
I presume that the $3,000 figure relates to the fine and legal expenses associated with a drunk driving conviction. Given my experience working in the criminal justice system, that appears to be the cost associated with a first time offense. Based on these numbers, drunk driving is LESS expensive if you anticipate being pulled over less than 1 time in 300 drunk driving excursions. Assuming that the Blood Alcohol Content is greater than .08 (the new legal limit after Congress gets done interfering with the states), I think that drunk drivers are likely to get pulled over MORE than one time in every 300 excursions.
Moreover, I think the billboard UNDERSTATES the true cost of drunk driving to the individual. The $3,000 does not factor in the explicit costs associated with one's own personal injury, damage to one's own vehicle, higher insurance rates, damages to another's vehicle and another's injury, nor does it factor in the implicit costs regarding social stigma, remorse, and jail time. The $3,000 cost could be significantly higher.
I'm not sure if the situation has changed. But several years ago there were many lawyers that claimed that they could get almost all their clients off of drunk driving charges. The going rate at the time was $2500 in legal fees. The other costs you mention could send the bill much higher than $3000.
As an aside, my step daughter was pulled over about 6 months ago. They put her in a police car, took her to downtown Albuquerque, gave her a breath test, she registered 0.0% (no alcohol), and was returned to her vehicle after a 3 hour ordeal. She hadn't had a drink, there was no other traffic violation cited, according to her (I believe her) was totally cooperative, and she was not stopped for any other violation than possible DUI. Needless to say I have heard a lot of negative comments about police and harassment come out of her mouth during the last 6 months when I heard none before. Sometimes in all the hysteria about DUI I wonder if the pendulum hasn't swung too far in the wrong direction.
Two quick points:
1. A 120 woman who has two glasses of wine over a two hour period will be over the .08 limit. She will be subject to the same punishment as someone who has consumed a quart of vodka and is swerving all over the road.
2. If you have been drinking and are stopped by the police, DO NOT take a breath test. You are going to arrested anyway; don't give them more evidence against you. It will make your lawyer's job much easier.
In some states, refusing to take a breath test is itself a crime. That is, if you refuse the test, you are assumed to be guilty.
I'm afraid I don't know any of the details, so don't ask. Also, this information is old, so maybe those laws have all been declared unconstitutional.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
It is far more complicated than you make it out to be.
1. While the person at .08 and the person at .41 will be subject to the same range of jail time and fines (assuming that they have the same number of prior offenses) the punishments are going to vary by BAC. Most states give judges that discretion.
2. Most states, Wisconsin for example, have an implied consent law and levy penalties for those who fail to take the test -- appropriately called a "refusal". Here, such penalties include a revocation/suspension of driving privileges and alcohol treatment. The punishments for first and second drunk driving offenses are not severe enough to make refusing worth it, a colleague who is a criminal defense attorney tells me. Only with subsequent offenses does it make logical sense to break the law further to hinder the prosecution because the punishments for the refusal pale relative to those for 3rd or higher DUIs. I am not advocating doing this.
Further, keep in mind that if you are hammered, refusing is not going to help. Most states have two laws covering drunk driving -- one prohibiting driving while drunk, the other prohibiting driving with a BAC higher than .1 (or .08). Even if they don't have evidence of your BAC they can and will still get you on the drunk driving if your driving or interactions with law enforcement was erratic enough.
Bottom line: don't drink and drive.
I think "Little Big Man" with Dustin Hoffman is one of the best westerns ever, yet I never see it mentioned among anyones top ten (except mine).
Silverado gets a vote from me, but the Unforgiven is #1; some heady stuff. Stupidest, but entertaining in a bizzare way was was The Quick and the Dead. Many of Clint Eastwood's spaghetti westerns were good. John Wayne's were OK but tedious.
Awright, awright ahready, "Donnie Brasco" goes on, "Clockers" goes off. Pacino's best role, udder den "Dog Day Afternoon", IMO. And Michael Madsen was freakin' awesome.
Youse and FastJohnny are bot' crazy tho' if youse t'ink dat "Bronx Tale" is beddah den "Menace II Society". "Bronx" is awright, but "Menace", fuhgeddaboutit.
I'll collect dat O'Doul's over dat Florida t'ing from ya paisan Vince in Vegas next month, else I gotta hole outside the Reno Hilton waitin' for ya.
But, if ya Grandpa coulda whupped a biker gang like Chazz and da boys in "Bronx", I'll letcha slide, outa respect. :)
Let's put it this way the bikers woulda ended up as corner stones of some union built buildings.
No poker Sunday, no poker Monday, no poker today.
And Turbo Texas Hold'em is kicking my ...
When will the holidays be over, this is the season to be jolly, but without poker there is no joy in Any2card Town.
I didn't go to church on Sunday as mentioned above, but I did read from the good book and thought I'd share some of my readings.
Blessed are the meek for they will donate to the pot.
Blessed are the peace makers for they will check the nuts.
Blessed are the clueless, for they will line the pockets of the clued.
Blessed are the over aggresors for they will make the pot large.
Blessed are the drinkers for they won't remember they donated and will return to donate again.
Blessed are the 2+2 posters for they will challenge our knowledge.
Blessed are the poker book writers for they will take our money for the books and the money we put into the pot.
SPM,...can anyone come over for a couple of hands of hold'em...
1. God. Dawn on a frosty Christmas morning, 1969. I know I am the only person on the course. I’ve got a blind shot over a hill to the green on a long par 5. There’s a creek right in front of the putting surface; the smart play is to lay up and then pitch across. I’ve got an up-hill lie and decide to sky a 1 iron so it will come down vertically and stay near the green. I get it off just like I want it. A deep voice says, “Nice shot!” I look around. Nobody’s there. I must be imagining things. The voice says, “What did you hit?” I look around. Nobody’s there. I look up. I’ve never seen a hot air balloon before and don’t even know they exist. There’s one forty feet above me completely silent and completely motionless. I tell the guy leaning out of the basket, “A 1 iron.” He says, “You’re on the green,” hits the switch to the burners, and roars out of there. OK, if it wasn’t God, at least it was the Wizard of Oz.
2. Driving range near Arlington, Texas. Summer 1970. It’s early evening but still hotter than hell. Tall skinny old man wearing a sweater wants to bet me $15 he can back up a 5 iron hitting it off the pavement in the parking lot. I don’t want to bet him $15, I want to get him to tell me stories about the old days. He doesn’t want to tell stories, he wants to gamble. No business. When I return the basket to the counter, the man asks if I bet the old timer. I say no and he tells me I would have lost, that was Titanic Thompson. Never heard of him.
3. Spring of 1972. Southern California locker room. No limit lowball. The Greatest Putter to Play the Game has the straddle. It comes to him with $30 in the pot. He bets over $600 all in. Gets one caller. The Greatest Putter to Play the Game turns over his hand and says, “Guess I’d better draw.” He’s got A A A A 3. He draws three, and wins with 33 when the other guy draws 1 and pairs a 6.
I caddied for Hall of Famer Amy Alcott in the duMaurier Classic, at that time one of the four Majors on the LPGA Tour, in Calgary in 1999. Roughly the equivalent of the PGA Championship on the PGA Tour, I suppose. I had 'looped' on the Canadian Tour several times over the years and had been in the same group with players like Mike Weir, Tim Herron, and Steve Stricker when they were just getting their careers started, but inside the ropes at a big-time tournament was the nuts, as far as I was concerned. This was The Show.
Got to meet Karrie Webb, Juli Inkster, Dottie Pepper, Joanne Carner, and a host of others. Great experience. Even signed an autograph for a little kid.
Oh, and BTW, you would have lost your bet to Titanic Thompson. From what I have read about him, he was one of the alltime great hustlers in the 30's and 40's. Had all the trick shots, and a ton of game. Made way too much hustling to ever consider playing the Tour which back then wasn't much.
I had 'looped' on the Canadian Tour
This takes me back. Have you ever speculated that the guy who wrote "Caddy Shack" had actually caddied? He got so much in that movie right. Very unusual for a Holywood movie...
OK, I admit I like to see the occasional bar room brawl and the spats that break out among the posters are mildy entertaining. But, the recent vitriol spawned ostensibly by SmoothB has gotten to be a little be tiresome. The one highlight of this whole affair was when Abdul pondered why he had never seen The Smooth and Mason in the same place. Ouch! Of course we know that this was a clever and facetious assertion by Abdul so lets not start anything more.
Last night, when my insomnia kicked in I started to wonder about The Smooth. Who is he really? Is he the demented alter ego of an other wise polite and mild mannered 2+2er? If not, is he really a winning poker player? Is he am whatever he say he am?
I have two hypotheses. 1) While I have seen The Smooth be rude in the past, the recent hyper-vitriolic rantings are not those of Smooth but rather are the work of a bitter RGPer trying to bring disharmony to the VoP. I have no way of testing this so it is actually a pseudo-hypothesis.
2)The Smooth, as much as it hurts me to say this, really is responsible for the ill holiday spirit. This I'm afraid is the more likely case. The evidence in favor is found by plotting Al Gore's electoral fortunes against the virulence of The Smooths's postings. You will find a very significant and positive correlation. This in turn leads me to conclude that The Smooth can not be the great winning player that he claims since he has wildy extreme, some would say manic, emotional reactions to factors that are completely beyond his control.
Merry X-mas, Boris
well.we are waiting for an answer from the powers that be.
it could be the 1st amendment.
why do i get to post? cuz they gave me computer with internet access at work and someone is nice enough to pay for the hosting of this site (not me). nothing to do with the first amendment.
It's been three days since I handled two cards, splashed some chips, or even said Raise!
This is my third visit to 2+2 today.
Doc, m i going thru WiThDrAwAlLLlll???///.com
SPM,...help me, check me, raise, do anything, I can take it...
This never happened and you never read this...
In response to Doc's 40-80 Hold'em post in the High Stakes section:
1. "Routine Play. No Comment (nt)"
Thanks for your consideration to us mortals. I kept furiously clicking back to the High Limit forum to see whether you had dictated the truth on Doc's play down from Mount Olympus. Now that we know you have deferred, we can move on to other more important matters such as your whining about the election.
Get over yourself, Mr. 3rd Year Law Student.
And why are you posting on the High Limit forum, anyway? I thought 6-12 was small stakes.
quit taking the hormone injections and become a man again Michelle
When I was 12 I won a raffle that was a louisville slugger. In the picture I'm taking off the wrapper and standing next to Tony C. from the Red Sox. I can't remember what he said to me but it didn't matter because he was my hero. He was my hero and still remains my hero today. I always find it funny when players say that we're not hero's we're just people. To a 12 year old like me Tony C. was my hero and still is may he rest in peace.
I'll never forget the picture in the paper after he got beaned by Jack Hamilton (is my memory right on this one?). The welt over his eye was just enormous and he was never the same after that. Do you remember him singing on Merv Griffin? He was quite the charmer.
I think he won the home run title in 1966 or so with 32 home runs. A couple years later Yaz won the batting title with a 301 average. Can you imagine what Pedro Martinez's ERA would be in that era?
I think your memory is correct. At the time, Tony C. was the the youngest player ever to have hit 100 home runs. I think he had a future in the game. I remember him fondly from his days as a sportscaster on Channel 10 in Providence.
Probably a half a run to a run higher than Bob Gibson's.
Higher than Bob Gibson's?
You are crazy or don't know baseball. Let's put it into context. In 1968, the NL league average ERA was 2.98 and Gibson's was 1.12. The top 5 ERAs for the league were 1.12,1.99,2.05,2.08 and 2.12 by such stalwarts as Veale, Bolin, Jarvis, and Blass.
In 200, the AL league average ERA was 4.91. Pedro was at 1.74 and the next top 4 were 3.70,3.75,3.79, and 3.88. Gibson was less than half the league average. Pedro was less than half the next best guy.
..that Pedro pitches in the AMERICAN League; i.e. to designated hitters, as well. And Fenway ain't exactly a pitcher's park; although the rest of the A.L. East('cept maybe Baltimore) park's probably are.
I love Gibby, but Pedro's numbers are Tigerish.
"At a point below zero, there is nowhere left to go..." -Thin Lizzy-
Late response because I was on vacation. I was comparing Pedro's abd Gibby's ERA relative to the league, so the comparison wasn't biased by the DH.
But the DH does add about .3 to .5 runs per game (bith teams), so to compare directly to gibby's ERA you could shave a couple of tenths from Pedro's.
For histroical comparisons, SPortin News has a neat system (I forget what it is called) that shows the only player to dominate like Pedro for the past 2 years was the Babe himself. The Babe was STILL in a class by himself when he was swatting more homers than most teams.
Don't know how much of a fan you are, but Bill James' Baseball Abstract, if you don't own it already, offers great analysis of how various players from different eras might compare based on those sorts of stats you mention.
He definitely loved the Queens and he was a gigolo!!! He spoke his mind though no matter what and it got him in a lot of trouble but he didn't care!!! Kind of like this forum don't you think????????
A truly fine baseball player.
Use a search engine such as Google.com to look him up but here is a link to one site for the late great Tony C.:
I have been lurking here for a few weeks but have never posted before. I started checking out this site because a friend of mine, known to you as SmoothB, told me about the site.
I have been dealing and playing poker for nearly ten years, and for those of you who have wondered about SmoothB, I can say that he has, in a very short time, become one of the TOP players at the San Fransico card barn where I met him.
I have NEVER seen him go on tilt.
He is one of the nicest people you would ever care to meet anywhere.
He loves to talk about poker strategy and if you want, he'll buy you a cup of coffe and talk about poker for hours.
He never complains about bad beats or losing sessions, few as they are.
I don't always agree with his advice, but it is always worth thinking about.
I was reading his advice about what to do with TT when UTG raises and everyone folds to you in the BB. I thought he was crazy and told him so. The next day he brought in 3 sheets of loose leaf paper covered with numbers. He patiently explained to me in detail why the correct play was to fold (against certain opponents - not all the time) and I became a believer! He actually came up with an estimate to the penny of exactly how much of a losing play it was (I don't remember how much it was but it was negative.)
I agree with most of you that his political views are stupid - I'm glad Bush won and think he deserved it and will make a good president.
I can't explain why he is so arrogant on this forum - he's not like that in person.
Anyway, that's a little info about 'SmoothB'.
By the way, don't ever play him heads up if you like money.
"He is one of the nicest people you would ever care to meet anywhere"
We know that already because SmoothB told us the same thing:)
"I can't explain why he is so arrogant on this forum - he's not like that in person"
Seems that you are in agreement with most of us as to his arrogance on the Forum. Unfortunately, we don't know the real SmoothB but the Forum SmoothB is a bit of a pr*ck (excuse the word "bit":)]
"I don't always agree with his advice, but it is always worth thinking about."
That I agree with.
"Anyway, that's a little info about 'SmoothB'"
Well I'm glad to hear he is nicer in person. Actually, before this whole election fiasco he was mild mannered and polite much of the time. I really think he takes his politics way too seriously. hopefully he will mellow out after a bit. If you see him you might suggest that he try yelling at the TV when Dubya comes on instead of being a prick on the forum. Shit, now I'm really curious about who he is. For all I know I may have played against Smooth a couple times.
I could come up with numbers supporting any play in poker, including plays that are "opposite" each other.
The issue is the assumption behind those numbers. You can't know, for certain, how often the guy who raised you will fold his KK if the flop contains an A and you bet. Likewise, you won't know how often he will bluff you out if you bet the raggedy flop and he raises with AK. You have to factor in all the different types of flops, and how you and he will play each type. Doing this with 100% accuracy is impossible, there are simply too many assumptions you must make about how the opponent will play each situation. So, it may be that SmoothB is right about TT in the BB, since neither he nor I can quantitatively prove our viewpoint. However, I know I would call here, and I think a large majority of winning HE players would agree with me. Again, maybe all of us who play the hand are wrong, I just don't think so.
Arrogance seems to be the right word. I may be somewhat arrogant here, because I'm quite sure I'm right. In fact, I've got a big ego, and can be arrogant at times, I'm sure. However, I do admit that I can't be 100% sure on (almost) any poker issue, because it is not possible to provide absolute proof.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
You sick imposter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've spent the last 6 months playing mid-limit poker in different venues around the country. After reviewing my data for the last half of 2000, and thinking about my experiences overall, I've come up with some perceptions that I thought I'd share.
At the bottom, the weakest mid-limit players, surprisingly, are not on the riverboats, but at Speaking Rock casino in El Paso, Texas. The next weakest are at Soaring Eagle casino in Mt. Pleasant, Michigan, followed by the Indiana riverboat Ceasar's Glory of Rome.
The wildest mid-limit players that I played this year were in the Arizona casinos, and the strongest players were at the Horseshoe in Tunica, Mississippi. This actually fits with my perceptions over the years that the strongest mid-limit players were in Vegas and the wildest players in California. In other words, I see a Vegas-to-Tunica connection and a California-to-Arizona connection.
This post is about an individual who is a very good friend of mine and the Midnight Marauder who we will call the Chairman.For any of you that don't know the Chairman he is considered one of the best if not the best player in our hold'em game. Myself and the marauder are constantly donating money to this guy and we can't understand why we continue to donate. As a matter of fact,i have personally paid for his car and the many poker trips that he has taken yet i continue to play against him.Just the other day i invited him to lunch picked up the tab and left scratching my head wondering why i picked up the tab for a guy that continually takes my money. I asked the marauder why we did this and all he said was get the Chairman on the phone find out if he's playing tonight so we can get in the same game.It must be a death wish.It got so bad that i decided to go into retirement and who do you think was the first guy to call me and try to get me back; the Chairman. I then explained he was the reason for my retirement and he said it was all in my head i told him it's not in my head it's in my wallet and there's nothing left.Well i came back to play and sure enough ther's the Chairman sitting on the other side of the table with a huge stack of chips and he proceeded to ask the floor person to expand the game to 11 players so i could get right in.When i asked why he did this he told me the other players enjoy my company i think he was lying.I need a new hobby. Lar
Hobby, this is not a hobby. This is a life style, and on any given day the Chairman can get knocked off his chair. But, I'd leave as soon as the damage is done, he likes to get even, with interest.
SPM,...even a celebrity knows his limitations...
Don't feel bad. I just put a brand new entertainment center in his den last Friday!
Why do we continue to play against him? Well for one thing he's real good people. For another, he's funny and entertaining. But his real secret weapon that keeps us fish coming back is.... RUPERT!
That f....ng monkey's got some kind of spell going!
I too wouldn't feel to bad, as I've probably taken care of his rent for the next year and a half. Perhaps you should dedicate one of the chapters in your new book about him. You could call it "How to be seated at a poker table while still be standing up", or perhaps "How to send the entire room on tilt while playing 2-5 suited"
-Just another Hollywood guppy in the great shark room of life.
Merry Holidays to all!!!
We need your help. After much thought and deliberation, I as well as others are clearly convinced that you are the only geru at Hollywood who will help and the number one authority on 10/20 and 20/40 Texas Hold-Em. The results speak for themselves. No offense Professor but I am not to sure any longer if you should be the one writing the book. After reading the posts and seeing the overall admiration that the Chairman and his successful play has so deservedly earned, I can't help but feel that the Chairman has an obligation to to help the poor fish and eggs of the game who he has clearly filleted and cooked on a regular and consistent basis.
All of us, the Professor, the Hollywood Fish, the Suburban Poker Man, Kevin J, and yes, even Just Another Egg have all been very supportive of your favorite past time and now it is time for you to compensate us by sharing with us your knowledge, expertise and your unique abilities in this fascinating and addictive game of poker which is a game chance for us and a game of perfection for you. Not to do so would be a very selfish move on your part. Share "all" of your knowledge of the game with us, point out our mistakes in the game (extreme caution should be exercised here with those players who "pack") and console us on our bad beats. Sklansky and Malmuth have helped the less fortunate players of the game through their books. You can do the same. You must do the same. Besides being a form a retribution for all of the money you have won from us over the years, I am sure it will give you a great deal of satisfaction if you are able to take losing players and make them into winning players.
Now the question is how can "you" help the less fortunate players of the game and where can this take place. A couple of thoughts on the subject just happen to come to mind. Maybe I could talk to the Casino Manager at Hollywood and get the auditorium where you could easily address a crowd and speak on the subject once a week or maybe the Professor would be willing to donate one of his 700 apartments for such an honorable cause. Tax write off Professor, you would be helping the poor and the soon to become needy.
Help us Mr. Chairman, if you don't who will?
Time magazine said Cindy Margolis is the most download woman on the internet.
At the casino on Friday they turned the Cindy Margolis show on all the TVs for a while. During that half hour, the two women at the table each made a rack as the 8 guys at the table became weak loose calling stations.
I am ending this charade. A while ago scott and I thought it'd be funny to post as someone real belligerent and retarded and then have one of us challenge him to a duel. However, this has become tiresome and repetitive so I'm giving it up to see what everyone thinks. Hopefully some thought it was funny and those who were offended aren't too angry. And if scott tries to keep up the charade or if scott/SmoothB try to claim that he don't know anything about this or this is all B.S., just ignore him. Again, I'm sorry if anyone was offended and hopefully somebody got a kick out of it besides us.
I am not amused, but not annoyed. I figured it out, almost. Kinder! They are all the same in any country.
they are smart, bored and dangerous - well atleast they aren't hacking into the pentagon computers or are they.
Hope they all get SmoothA's next semester---good luck guys.
does that mean the contest is off:) boo hoo
I have just returned from my trip to Florida. If any of you have tried to email me during the past week and I did not respond, you may want to try again.
Marriage isnt a word, its a sentence...
It is definitely the leading cause of divorce.
House Sex: When you're newly married and have sex all over the house.
Bedroom Sex: After you're married for awhile you just have sex in the bedroom.
Hall Sex: After you've been married for many years you just pass each other in the hall and say "fuck you".
I just can't imagine any player actually WANTING a camera under the final table at a tournament they've entered. I seem to be in the minority though since I haven't read one article in opposition to this potential trend.
If players at a major tournament were given the option "to have" or "not to have" the camera under their portion of the table turned on, how many do you think would choose to have it on? Zero is my guess, that's why they'll never be given the option. It's gotta be 'All' or 'None'. But can't you almost hear a tournament promoter saying, "What do you mean you have no choice in the matter? If you don't like it you don't have to enter the tournament, right?"
Luckily I'm just starting out in tournaments, and I don't have to worry about any of my moves being discovered since I haven't cultivated any yet. But I would like to hear from a struggling pro or two on the topic.
Personally I have no problem with this - I vary my play, bets and strategy eneough where this would not be anything but confusing info to opponents.
That being said I don't think cameras should be an option. Eigther all or none.
I saw this in the UK TV program called "late night poker" they didn't show all the hands just the ones n play and not allof those - it was interesting but not informative as to how these guys would be playing under different circumstances.
And the tourney promoters are absolutely correct. If you don't like it, don't play in that event. Is there even any counter-argument that can logically be made?
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
"And the tourney promoters are absolutely correct."
Name some of these alleged promoters who are absolutely correct? I'll take 'em on one by one!
Fossilman wrote: "Is there even any counter-argument that can logically be made?
But fossil, I didn't present an argument in my post. A counter-argument to what? Of course any business can do as they please/or choose, I never suggested otherwise. I just like to vent now and then when something irritates me, that's all.
You mentioned that the tourney promoter would just say if you don't like it, don't play. The implication I read into your post was that this statement was somehow invalid or rebuttable. I didn't see how it was. I guess I read too much into it.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
I like the idea of camerars at the FINAL Table. Should I ever be that lucky, the camerars will see that any2willdo. Even A9 off...
SPM,...from the corner of Jack Benny and Doyle, 39th & 102nd...:)
There are more but these stand out for me.
Not in any order.
Wild Bunch - When the bunch take out 90% of the Mexican army best gun fight scene ever.
Zulu - The battle scene when the brits formed ranks and fired in unison at the attacking Zulus. Front rank FIRE middle rank FIRE rear rank FIRE. What a scene - Zulus droping like flies.
Seven - The head in the box scene made me sick.
Last of the Mohegians - The last 20 min including burning the brit major alive and then Chingakooks fight with Mugwa - riviting.
Casino - Joe Pesche getting beat to death with a baseball bat close to the scene in good fellas when he Ray and Robert killed the big in the bar then killed him again in the trunk with a kitchen knife.
Resevour Dogs - The cutting off of the cops ear by Madson was inspired violence. Only movie ever made that killed off everyone to appear on screen.
The Patriot and Braveheart - the big battle scenes WOW.
Private Ryan - The 1st 20 min. made me cry. I called my father in law who was there on D-Day and asked him why didn't they carpet bomb the landing area for days before. I still mist up thinking of the brave men who died for our freedom.
Fargo - Wood chipper - made me sick.
Pulp Fiction - The gimp and the rapist scene - big man says - "Keep this between me, you (Bruce Willis) and hillbilly rapist over there who will be spending the rest of his short assed life in agonizing pain."
Just dawned on me this is not much of a subject for Christmas time is it.
In RD, doesnt Mr. Pink leave the building, then get caught by the cops? They dont show it, but it sounds to me like he drives off and gets caught. I didnt hear any gunfire. "Cant we all act like professionals?" Also, how about the final scene in "Bonnie and Clyde?"
Yeah and the Godfather scene when Sonny gets the Bonnie and Clyde machine gun treatment.
a snuff movie I saw in college in 1969. It supposedly was real and made in South America. Two women were sexually assulted and strangled and then cut. Horrible. I'll never forget it. Was it staged? I do not know. It was about 17 minutes long on black and white video tape of poor quality. Had to use the university's Panasonic 3/4 inch tape deck. Also screened Pink Flamingos the same night.
did you pass around scratch and sniff (or should that be snuff) cards before it began?
I don't think Waters used those for Pink Flamingos, but in one of his more "mainstream" movies. Of course, for campy violence, Female Trouble is by far Waters' best. (Divine beats parents after receiving the wrong shoes for Christmas; does this make the list of top ten Christmas movies?)
Climax of Straw Dogs.
Torture in dental chair in Marathon Man.
Alien coming out of John Hurt's chest.
Doughboy fading into nothingness as he walks across the street at the end of Bozy N the Hood. (haunting symbolism real violence faced everyday by ordinary Americans).
Santino "Sonny" Corleone getting gunned down at the toll booth.
Sean Penn punishing two prison rivals with a pillow case full of Coca-Cola cans.
Recruit breaking down and killing drill officer in the john in Full Metal Jacket.
Gangter stoolies head in the vise in Casino. This was even worse than Joe Pesci's deserved, but gruesome death.
Jack Palance "Wilson" gunning down the drunken cowboy on the muddy street in Shane. Not bloody or gory, but depicts starkly the powerlessness of the good vs. the evil when evil dictates the terms of engagement.
Janet Leigh's classic offing in the shower. An obvious choice that demonstrates that understatement is still more gripping and terrifying than in you face blood and guts.
I concur with Rounder on the Michaal Madsen scene from Reservior Dogs. Tarantino really sucked the viewer in with the song in the background and Michael Madsen's aloof charisma. Here was a guy commiting an atrocious act, and the Director was challenging us to like him, really like him.
Twisted stuff. Merry Christmas, Rounder.
Any number of scenes from Natural Born Killers spring to mind..
You wrote: ""Private Ryan - The 1st 20 min. made me cry. I called my father in law who was there on D-Day and asked him why didn't they carpet bomb the landing area for days before. I still mist up thinking of the brave men who died for our freedom."
Kudos to your dad and all those who served. There is do doubt that our parents generation had guts and courage. But the landing site was top secret and carpet bombing starting any sooner than minutes before the invasion would have surely given away the fact that we were invading at Normandy rather than at the expected landing zone at Pas de Calais where the English Channel was narrowest and our forces would have been closer to the German heartland.
As it was, Hitler was very slow to bring up front line Panzer divisions and for days thought the Normandy landing was a deception. This helped us secure our tenuous foothold and break out from the five major beachheads.
Why couldn't they have more limited air support after the invasion started? Would this have also signalled that this was the the "real" front?
After the invasion we controlled the skies over Normandy but pre invasion we spread out our attacks over a wide front. Hitler did not have good intelligence from the front or did not make good use of it as far as I can tell.
The Stephen Ambrose book on D-Day is on my wish list for Christmas but so were a couple of other World War II books and I usually end up with one. Maybe I'll know more then.
Actually we controlled the skies even before D-Day and the Army and Navy did plaster the area considerably before the landings; unfortunately, in the Omaha Beach area they missed the target, most of the bombs and shells falling harmlessly behind the enemy line. The result of course was that instead of facing a badly decimated, shellshocked adversary, the boys who landed at Omaha walked into a buzzsaw. On the other hand, the landings at some of the other Beaches went much better. Had the bombing been on target at Omaha, the landing there would certainly been less costly but still tough. Remember that this was a Rommel installed defense and that guy was pretty tough as we all know. In the end it was Hitler's usual ineptness as a field general that helped to get us off that beach. If it wasn't for that idiot, Germany might have not only pushed us back into the sea, but the war might have had a totally different outcome. The list of his tactical and strategic blunders are too numerous to discuss here.
You know your stuff. Do you have any book recommendations for World War II?
The "definitive" works on the subject of D-Day would have to be Cornelius Ryan's "The Longest Day" and Stephen Ambrose's "D-Day June 6, 1944".
These two authors have written extensively on the subject of WWII and I highly recommend anything they have done.
Also, for a journalists point of view from somebody who was there, I recommend anything by William Shirer (The Rise and Fall Of The Third Reich).
This should be enough to get you started. Also keep an eye on The History Channel. They produce some great documentaries.
1- The gunfight outside the bank in "Heat". 2- The shootout following the Northfield Bank robbery by Jesse James et al in "The Long Riders". 3- Most of the battle scenes in "Gettysburg".
Also, if you liked Zulu (as I did) you will love "Zulu Dawn" if you can find it anywhere. This time the Zulus win big by slaughtering Lord Chelmsfords army at Isandlwana. Roarke's Drift happened later that day and into the following day. English dead at Isandlwana exceeded 1300 and the Zulus lost about 1000 men as well. A real bloodbath.
No substitutions, no penalties, no timeouts, no time limit.
"Taxi Driver" - De Niro shooting the guy's fingers off.
"The Warriors" - Fight in the subway station bathroom and with the Baseball Furies in Central Park(the chase leading up to the later fight is very cool, too.) Corny movie in retrospect, but remember the controversy at the time it was released?
"Death Wish" - Every scene.
"Raging Bull" - Ditto.
"Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer" - Ditto, esp the home invasion part.
"City Of Industry" - Steven Dorff betraying the rest of the gang, and then Keitel beating him to death at the end.
"Rocky" - The fight with Apollo is probably as realistic as any boxing movie(except for the "cut me, Mick"). Stallone said that he and Carl Weathers beat the crap out of each other filming the first movie because they didn't know how to fake it. All the sequels are ludicrous, of course.
"The Accused" & "Boys Don't Cry" - Not making light of rape, obviously. Graphic portrayals of the violence during and psychological damage afterwards.
I was at the dentist the other day on a weekend when I was the only patient there. She offered me the choice of listening to whatever I wanted on their music system in any genre they had. I chose classical. Just as the valium is kicking in and the pneumatic abrader is squealing down comes the opening chords of Bach's Tocatta & Fugue in D Minor... I am not making this up.
IS IT SAFE
Or, what is the best symphonic performance available? I'd like to get the "Clockwork Orange" sndtrk on CD, as well.
I'm pretty sure it would be on any standard sampler of Bach's organ works. I never really shopped for a Rollerball CD per se given I already have the piece I want. I know I have a vinyl copy of A Clockwork Orange soundtrack, but I forget what's on there. The money shot on that soundtrack of course is the 9th, of which I have many different versions. Speaking of violent movies and soundtracks, I've spent at least ten years checking the soundtracks section at my local used CD shop for a copy of the Scarface soundtrack. My college roommate in 1984 had it on tape and I really liked the collection of songs. I should probably just get off my ass and go buy it new from some online retailer, but I almost never do that with CDs figuring I've saved thousands by being a little paitent. Of course, for some artists, it takes a long time to fill in the CD collection as the original owners usually retain them, eg the Beatles. And as long as I've completely hosed the intent of this thread, I'll say that as violent movies go, Scarface is one of my favorites.
1. Starship Troopers. I have never seen so many dismemberments and decapitations in one movie. Really bad.
2. Total Recall. A lot of head-shots in this flick. There is a scene where Arnie is trying to escape the bad guys and flees up an escalator. A by-stander is shot by the badies, and Arnie grabs the dead guy, and wheels him around as a human shield. The corpse gets shot to a tattered pulp.
3. Gladiator. Movies with swords have serious violence and gore potential.
4. Cobra. This mindless Stallone movie had an unbelievably high body count for a non-war movie.
I'll have to really scrape here, since most of the good scenes are taken :
In Predator, a couple of the creature's kills are very nice; creature takes the meat off the kill's bodies, cleans bones.
Deliverance rape scene.
The mother-killing fire in Bambi. Very violent, I'm not kidding.
The two short killings in A Short Movie About Killing.
The illogical murder of Donald Sutherland by the dwarf in Don't Look Now, so immediately after the intense love-making. We get the cold stab.
In a list about violent scenes, no one brings up John Woo! Has no one seen, for instance, Hard Boiled ? I'll open with the shoot-out at the maternity ward, what do you have?
The scene where they hang the guy up and slice 'im with a chainsaw in the shower, in DePalma's Scarface (scene unfortunately cut).
Which reminds me : No one brought up The Texas Chainsaw Massacre! Blotted it out, huh? Too scary, I suppose.
Closing on a classical note : the White Guards methodically firing at the crowd in Battleship Potemkin. Shooters' boots descending stairs, baby carriage rolling down, broken eyeglasses hanging from rope, bloody carnage. That's film class, for ye.
*ShudDeR*, even though he was asking for it.
Biting the curb in Generation X.
DePalma's homage to the Odessa Steps scene from Potemkin in the Untouchables.
Almost all of Passolini's Salo. Has anyone else seen this one? Nearly the entire theater had cleared out by the end of the movie.
Final shootout in Bonnie and Clyde.
Psychological and real violence in two superb Robert Mitchum movies, Cape Fear and Night of the Hunter.
Janet Leigh being terrorized by a bunch of thugs, including the butch Mercedes McCambridge, in Touch of Evil.
"It's merely a flesh wound!" in ....
I used to think it was the finale of _The Wild Bunch_. Now I think it is the Omaha Beach opener in _Saving Private Ryan_.
if you meant the curb biting in american history x, then i agree. if not, i want to mention it.
damn norton is good actor.
I did mean American History X: it's that damn generation that threw me.
the original ROBOCOP, when the gang guys shot him to deatch. That was way too real. It's scary, makes you feel sick.
I once read that 7 seconds had to be cut out of that scene to drop it from an X-rating to R.
I did't think that once you see that scene you could ever forget it. However, it's not been brought up yet.
Agree that Robo scene was violent.
Another that comes to mind is the racist film HistoryX.
At the beginning the star - Edward Norton (the best young actor around IMO) kills two black kids in a awful way.
American History X was a great flick. Norton is an incredible actor!!! How did Rounders get him? BTW I love the movie Rounders.
The 1959 Chicago White Sox. What a team - I have a collection of stuff from that team including all the BB cards - autographed photo of little Looie Apracio. Good trivia question who played 3rd base What a great team. Of course I was a fan.
USA - Hockey team winning the olympic gold against all the odds.
Gave up on sports teams in 1980 when I realized I cared a lot more for them than they did for me.
Now I don't care if there is ever another football, baseball or basketball game ever played.
"Gave up on sports teams in 1980 when I realized I cared a lot more for them than they did for me." May be you should bet on them.
In no particular order...
1) Ron Jeremy, after having sex with a woman-"its been a life of slice"
2) some guy, after giving an oriental woman a facial-"a little sweet and sour sauce for ya"
3) Harry Reems, playing a doctor performing surgery while a woman under the table is giving him oral sex-"nurse, more suction please"
Linda Lovelace, lighting a cigarette while watching the delivery guy go down on her friend in Deep Throat:
"Do you mind if I smoke while you eat".
I do not recognize one author's name in Poker Digest. Except of course for the Card Player rejects that now hang their hat at Poker Digest.
Could this magazine suck any more? It sucked before Sklansky and Malmouth left. I mean who wanted to read tired old Sklansky re-treads. And as for Malmuth's pedantic prose....
Give it up while you still have an out. Put it to death peacefully. We'll forgive you.
Especially since Sklansky and Malmuth left I agree with you. I hate all the "touchy, feely, friendly" type articles that are in the magazine. What about the one about Planet Poker in last months magazine - it was a complete advertisement for Planet Poker and nothing else. However, CardPlayer is no better and I think even worse.
I think maybe the 2+2 guys should start a magazine. It wouldn't be too hard to beat the competition.
SPM,...faster than a speeding rush...
No problem... I do of course require a $5,000 advancement prior to writing anything.
It would be hard enough to get a $5,000 advance for a poker BOOK, much less a single column.
The trick to the poker mags is like, hold'em hand selection. It's called Artical selection.
I like "JV's Killer Poker" for me it's worth the price of going to the casino playing cards and picking up a copy.
SPM,...I vote keep the rag, JV needs an outlet and I need his words of wisdom...
Check out: http://www.usatoday.com/life/lphoto.htm
I am not maniac mark. how could you fools confuse me with a fifteen year old charlatan who probably cheats at board games and still wets his bed.
maniac, you can count, on me, waiting for you in the parking lot.
also, i'll have you know that i think suburban poker man's posts are trenchant and insightful. not retarded at all, in fact, he's a professor at my law school.
But no one's buying the act and it's just sad really. Don't you know that we've all had enough of your guff? You're like the skinny guy on the frosted flakes commercial who doesn't quite get the idea of being Tony the tiger. He's hugging the fat guy for too long. Part of being a tiger is knowing when the hug is done. Chew on that compadre.
I'm in LA until around Jan 8th and I'm looking for some poker... any advice on casinos/card rooms that allow 19 year olds? I'm staying in Burbank, so something close by would be best (though I can get my uncle to drive me anywhere within reason)
Ted and/or scott - if you're lurking and in the area give me an email and we can get together.
I hear they're spiked to keep off all the hobos. BTW I think you owe me several hundred dollars for fixing my car. My parents took it in the next week because of a rattling noise caused by your hard head. And I'd pay if I were you, now that scottie boy has lost his knife my nun-chuks run unopposed in the arms race. Beware
I think you would be more of a danger to yourself than to me.
The spiked doors aren't the problem - it is the springloaded trunks that snap your neck.
You probably want to play at San Manuel out near San Bernadino. They are an Indian reservation and allow 18 and up to play.
Wasn't sure bout that.
with firewater. They won't let you bring in blankets with small pox either. Go figure
Here is my reaction and response to Diane B's withdrawal of participation from the 2+2 forums:
1. I am pretty sad about this because I enjoyed Diane's posts and comments on these forums. She helped me with some information on 2+2 and then I met her in person at the Tunica tournament. She is a normal, genuinely honest, and open person who likes to express her preferences and opinions. If she likes someone or something (Tunica, Reno, 2+2 books, Highlands, Linda Johnson)---she'll tell you. She loves poker, but has to balance this with other things in her life---job, spouse, family, other interests, etc.
Now, my bias is that I am a big "Diane Fan" ---but you probably knew that.
Anyway, it seems that she is the type of person we should be trying to attract to poker AND THIS FORUM---not drive away.
2. We have gone through some cycles of incivility and hostility before on this forum. We seem to be in another one now. The posters who pestered Diane (someone referred to them as "trolls" below) and their ilk are tough to respond to or ignore. I think that the Ray Zee and Sammy B approach that they mentioned in the "Diane" thread below is the best we can all do.
3. I have never played on line poker for money or signed up with any of the on line "cardrooms". I have never posted (and rarely read) the Internet Poker Forum. However my personal response to this is that I am going to sign up with Highlands and play some. Maybe, if I like it, I'll post a glowing report on the Internet Poker Forum.
4. Please---lets not lose any more of the valuable posters that we do have here.
And Diane, I hope you are reading this. I miss you already.
Because I was away, I didn't read any of the Diane thread that you mention. But my view of things is probably a little different from yours.
Because these are open forums, people like Diane who express strong opinions are going to solicit some responses that will sometimes contain strong opinions that they may not appreciate. This just comes with the territory.
I should know. For years I have expressed some strong opinions and I believe that it is fair to say that I have been attacked more than anyone, and this includes some unkind remarks by Diane herself. But I have always been aware that when I make strong statements I invite this type of response, and I have no justification to make my strong statements unless I can take it as well as dish it out.
An example is my opinion of Buntjer's tournament book. I have been strongly criticized by a few people for rating it a 1 which is my lowest rating. I have been accused of giving it this rating because I put our business interests first. But I have also read it three times and it did not get any better.
We do make an effort to get everyone to treat others with respect and to aim their criticism at the subject matter and not at the person, but we can't be 100 percent successful. These forums just have too many posts to "police" them perfectly. However, when you compare the civility of posters towards one another to what we see on RGP I think that we have done a pretty good job.
If Diane has left, I agree that it is too bad and I also agree that she was a valuable poster. But life goes on.
I really do agree with much of what you say here.
Yes, you have been attacked more than anyone. And I would be sad if you got upset at some situation and quit posting on 2+2. Using you as an example is probably not very likely. But I was sad when Diane left, sad when Dan Hanson left----and shoot, I was even sad when Vince left.
I agree that the overall tone and "civility" is usually very good here. Best poker content, most informative discussions, etc that I am aware of. I have tried to be a part of that for 2 years now by not participating in flames, rants, or personal attacks.
I'm not convinced that increased policing of posts is the best answer. Rather, I think the leaders and regulars on the 2+2 forums should come up with a way to just not respond to the "attack" posts.
I arrived in Vegas on saturday. Saturday evenning I ran into the Wizard. He was limping around Bellagio after just finishing up a 80-160 Holdem Session. I said hello and asked how Mason was doing.
Mason was not in town he informed me. Because Mason got married! Yes, as hard to believe as it is Mason found someone that can tolerate him "Til death do them part". Not only did he find someone. He found someone that is too good for him. Her name and I hope I spell it correctly, is Charmaine. I met Charmaine this past summer. She makes the best cookies in Vegas. She is a beautiful woman with a warm and friendly personality.
So how did Mason manage to land such a prize? In the words or that famous King (and I) "It's a puzzlement". O.K. so maybe Mason isn't as bad as Abdul would have you believe. But does that mean he deserves to be happy? I think not.
By the way I met Abdul this evening at Bellagios. It kind of p...ed me off because he's only a kid and he has long hair. Neither of which describe me. And he's pretty smart too. Evidence when I walked up and introduced myself. He said:"Oh well I'm leaving town tomorrow. Bye." He really likes me too.
That's enough of Abdul. This post is about our beloved host. Mason Malmuth & his Lovely bride Charmaine. Hey Mason. All kidding aside. I wish you and Charmaine (spelling) the very best. I guess some guys are lucky in both cards and love. So much for old sayings.
I wish him the best of luck.
Personally, I'll never marry again. Every ten years or so I'll just find a woman I like and buy her a house.
I saw Mason and Charmaine in Wendover a few months back, as they were passing thru. Charmaine is indeed a knockout.
I have never been introduced the Mr Mason Malmuth, nor I have I ever seen his new bride.
With that said, I should metion, I am an expert failure on marraige. Please Mr Mason remember these important concepts.
When she says jump on the way up say, how high.
When she says stay with me, forget about poker, you will loose everytime you play without her blessing.
Change is a married womens main objective in life. You are what she wants to change. It's their mission in life to make us be the best we can be.
If you forget this advice try to remember, she is your best friend & lover. As time passes you may not remember why.
SPM,...on my third ride and I just found out, I'm still not perfect...
..their wives don't change, but they always do. Women get married hoping their husbands will change, but they never do.
The any2card player tries to be a rock but he flinches, and everyone knows a rock don't flinch.
SPM,...it's rough in the rock garden, and when a flower finds a crack, oh boy...
GOODLUCK MASON AND MRS. MALMUTH.... may your marraige prosper, may you receive generous tax breaks from the I.R.S., may your happiness never cease, may this forum be lucrative one=hundredfold...hope to hear from you on twoplustwo again.
Not to rain on your congrats, but I made the mistake of getting married on Dec 27. Coulda saved $2000 if I woulda waited 5 days...
It pays to know to know these somewhat technical tax laws, regarding marraige to newlyweds, picking a key time of the year to get married then get maximum tax credit, I guess you could call it getting "maximum optium" out of the tax man.
Sounds like a positive EV move. However, his deviation may increase ;-)
Mason and Charmaine,
I wish the best of luck to the both of you. Married life is a key to happiness for most despite the many failures we all hear of. It won't be all bliss, and I'm hoping you will both be able to overcome its many challenges and bear the beautiful fruit born of a lasting commitment.
The Mayor of Any2card Town got a break in his busy political schedule, finally after three days away from the felt jungle he returns to the casino with high hopes. Playing from the Valley of Patience (VoP) he starts out in a 1-5 seven card stud game.
For a hold'em player, low limit seven card stud is a dangerous game. The action is slow and the rewards are less than exciting. One hand defined the seven card stud game for our celebrity. The Rickshaw Kid entered the game and made a 50 dollar purchase of ammunition. The Kid was an young hold'em adversary, who has put some beats on the SPM, but then who hasn't put a beat or 2 on the SPM.
They both had a pair of aces after third street. The SPM had the king kicker. The Rickshaw Kid always plays aces with reckless abandon. Cap, Cap, Cap, after the Kid was all in he was leading with AA-77 while the SPM had AA-55. :) SPM spikes a 5 on the river and wins a big pot for 1-5 seven card stud.
An opening in the 5-10 hold'em game and the SPM feeling like the champion he wishes he was, inters the game. A few more wins and finally the SPM makes it to his game of choice. 10-20 hold'em with a mix of any2card players and rocks from the valley.
Two stacks up and the SPM is feeling invincible! Being the invisible man would have been better. The lower limit stacks began to melt like snow off a roof on a sunny day. Our celebrity was not concerned, he knew that patience was the key. But before long his neighbors from Any2card Town, began to tear the SPM's stack down.
What is going on he asked himself, but he knew the answer, they were beating his brains out with any2 from any position. Okay, he thought to himself, they want an any2card war, then WE'LL give to them. How all those people got in our celebrities head is still a mystery, but they did give him courage.
J9 off, early position, "raise!!!" says the SPM, as if a raise would scare the enemy. Flop comes with a J SPM top pair, bet, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, it seemed as tho players form other games were throwing chips into the pot just because the SPM was in the hand. Did they know something he didn't? The turn another J, the SPM got his calculator out and realized he had trips. He felt a win was close, the river a third heart. Heads up, the sb checks, the SPM had been here before, would he check a flush and take the chance of missing a bet? The SPM looks at the sb and says to himself, well he doesn't look like a fur trapper. Bet, raise, he had the nut hearts.
Now the SPM was in trouble, it was in a war and the SPM was low on ammunition. Then a strange thing happened, the SPM's most dangerous opponent sat down. He looked familiar, but it wasn't until the SPM was walking out of the casino busted that he remembered who this guy was. It was master of chip destruction, HIMSELF.
SPM,...in the VoP, your greatest enemy, looks back at you from mirror...
The morale of the story is, don't play war with the fearless.
I think being "rivered" should be a capital offence!!!
Top Ten Ways to start a bad beat story.
10. I had poket Aces six times...
9. I played with this idot last night...
8. What would you do in this situation...
7. I got rivered...
6. I had top pair and 18 outs...
5. He had three outs...
4. I flopped a set...
3. I flopped the nut flush...
2. If you think that'a bad beat...
1. I was in a great game last night...
SPM,...this is more fun than work...
How about: "Well, I was up a rack and then.." or "I hate people from A2Ct!!"
when I look down to see pocket kings
1. OK, here's your dollar. Now sit down and listen up.
2. I'm crushing the game senseless, and then this hand comes along.
3. Hey, listen to this, will ya.
4. It was unbelieveable...
5. Lemme give ya a couple of hands from this afternoon...
(That's my student's standard opening)
Sam's Town is offering free rooms for six hours of poker play per day. All of the good things I read about Tunica poker have referred to The Grand or The Horseshoe. Anyone have any comments about playing at Sam's Town?
Well, I'm sure one of the people who says all the good things about the Horseshoe and the Grand.
Stayed at Sams last June. The sleeping room was in fact free--just like their ad says. The poker room tracks your hours of play. 6 hours needed on weekdays and 8 hours on weekends. No problem. What else are you going to do in Tunica? Walk outside and watch the cotton grow? The poker room also gives food comps to Sams buffet, restaurant, Corky's BBQ.
Now, the down sides. The rooms are ok but not real nice. Nowhere near as nice as the Grand or the Gold Strike. The poker games at Sams are good, but few in number and low limit. Usually a table or two of 1-5 stud. Sometimes a 3-6 O/8. Usually a 4-8 HE, sometimes two. Saw a 10-20 game get going once but only for a little while.
The Adventrue of the Bad Beat Buckaroo, episode 1
The young man had played cards with his family and friends his whole life. The games had been lively, full of action and fun. Dealing seven card stud was his favorite, he loved calling out the hands and controlling the action. He knew the joy of victory and the agony of defeat, in the kitchen .
The first time he ever saw a casino poker room he thought he was in heaven. He wasn't, it was a game called Texas Hold'em and after his first encounter, he spoke in his native tongue for the first time, myfundsrlow. The game was fast and full of action, things happened at a lighting speed and he noticed immediately that any two cards can win.
Determined to play the game again, he returned with a weeks pay. He was no longer a virgin, he had seen the flops, knew the turn had sharp edges and he was painfully aware that the river could become a flash flood. Knowing your battle field is important, he was a warrior, without a plan.
The dealer fanned the cards out with lighting speed until each player had two, the young warrior had posted a gift to the poker god and peeked at his first two cards at the cut off. No one raised and the warrior saw the flop. His 85 had made a straight, and he pounded it to the river where some idiot's nut flush took the chips. The second hold'em lesson sent the young warrior to his mothers house for dinner everyday for a week.
It was time for, Revenge of the Warrior; with another weeks pay, and two poker magazines read our warrior was armed with the power Caro, Cooke, & Ciaffone he had come to win. However, the unforeseen can sometimes be your worst nightmare. The opponents in the game came armed with Slansky, Malmoth, and Zee. The young warrior was aggressive, and tricky, but in the end, there was no joy in Hold'emville the warrior had fallen off his high horse.
Will our young warrior return to the felt jungle of Hold'emville? Will he ever have a winning session? These questions will be answered, in the next adventure of "The Bad Beat Buckaroo." Episode 2 of 3
my man, I'll stay tuned on the edge of my seat! :oD
: > )
SPM,...n/t, you shouldn't be in here...
About fifteen years ago I subscribed to the Atlantic Monthly and have maintained by subscription ever since. Every issue contains at least something that intrigues me. The fun part is that many of the articles contain viewpoints that run counter to conventional wisdom. Then a couple of months after an article is published the author will usually respond to critiques of his article in the letters to the editor section. So in a sense it is a bit like 2+2, only slower ;-).
Since it is a monthly, don't expect a dissection of the latest plane crash. But if you are interested in a laymen's view of the entire air traffic control system and the problems inherent in upgrading it, this is the magazine to read.
The new issue came in today. Tonight I just finished reading two fascinating articles and both are available online.
The first article I read was “The New Old Economy: Oil, Computers, and the Reinvention of the Earth.” It is about how modern technology is allowing this country to tap significant amounts of oil from old, formerly poorly yielding fields. If you were just graduating from college in the Carter years, and the talk at cocktail parties concerned how you were going to heat your house in an age of finite resources (it was widely predicted that we would be out of oil by the year 2000), you will find this article especially fascinating. This magazine seems to have most of its content online, and here is a link to the article:
The second article was about the flavor industry. If you think natural is good and artificial is bad or visa versa, think again. I got a kick out of the following passage:
“A natural flavor is not necessarily more healthful or purer than an artificial one. When almond flavor -- benzaldehyde -- is derived from natural sources, such as peach and apricot pits, it contains traces of hydrogen cyanide, a deadly poison. Benzaldehyde derived by mixing oil of clove and amyl acetate does not contain any cyanide. Nevertheless, it is legally considered an artificial flavor and sells at a much lower price. Natural and artificial flavors are now manufactured at the same chemical plants, places that few people would associate with Mother Nature.“
Here is the link to the above article about the flavor industry:
Anyway, give the Atlantic Monthly a try online. But I'll keep my subscription, since the average article is just about right for my daily trip to my own reading room, and I don't plan on installing a CRT there ;-).
PS: When I tried to check my link for the second article, a pop up ad got in the way one out of two tries. If you have this problem, you can still find the articles by typing in the URL www.theatlantic.com into your browser.
What about poker articles, my mind can only hold so much information. And poker direction is what I need.
SPM,...on a mission for poker info...
Thanks for the great tip Rick! I singed up for the e-mail version.
The second article was about the flavor industry.
You neglected to mention the most important information in this article. Teaneck is now famous for producing a third wonder of the modern era.
The Atlantic Monthly? What's next, The New Republic and Architectural Digest?
Talk about breaking the stereotype! Of course, this is coming from someone whose magazine subscription list consists of Sports Illustrated, Golf World, Golf Digest and WWF SmackDown. Just kidding about the WWF.
Looks like we're going to have a White Christmas. Bet you wished you could have a snowball fight in the parking lot at YOUR poker room. Hah!
All the best.
I'm not at all surprised that Rick's interests range farther than 7-2o ;-) I would still subscribe to "Ramparts" if it hadn't gone out of business about 30 years ago. Current subscription list includes: Car and Driver, Sports Illustrated, and the Ducks, Unlimited mag. Recently stopped The New Republic (not kidding!) and Scientific American -- just couldn't keep up with the reading demand.
I'm no intellectual but it is amazing how much is now online. I will always savor print, but there are many things that read well online, especially political pundit's columns, stories from major newspapers, detailed news analysis and so on.
I read the first part of the acclaimed Vietnam War Book "The Short-Timers" by Gustav Hasford and it was very enjoyable reading it online (I was in the middle of another book so I may resume it after the Holidays).
As I get older and my eyesight gets worse I wonder if most of my reading won't require a cut and paste to a Word Processor and reformatting to about 20 point type ;-).
I used to read Atlantic Monthly. Wore a a dictionary trying to make sense of it all. Now I read fishing mags, can relate to the pics. Merry Christmas.
Bullshit. I've spoken with you and you are twice as smart as the average reader of this magaizine. I think you just like fish.
I have to ask.
You can't. That's why I get the print version of at least one or two things I read. But maybe I can network my toilet and save some more paper (no, not that kind). - - Rick
why do you think they make laptops?
I still subsccribe to Harper's and Smithsonian for much the same reason. One colleague uses Atlantic in his writing classes that he teaches at Bell-Atlantic, uh, make that Verizon now, and finds that his students love to engage the material.
If you don't know about it, you could also check out Project Bartleby, a site which has many classics on-line, including Elements of Style. Dartmoth also has a nice Shakespeare site, which makes it easy to locate any phrase used by Shakespeare.
For me, though, I still like the books that can be held, even though they've taken over most of the living space.
"Yes, there's no doubt that catchy names, whether given at birth or earned as nicknames, help make some of the best brands in sports -- Tiger, Venus, Shaq, A-Rod and Penny included. Not only are these athletes recognized because they are some of the best in the game but also because they appeal to the masses. The majority of society knows exactly who they are at first mention of their nickname."
HUH?? Who the f*** is/was Penny?? Penny Hardaway in the same sentence as Tiger? Jaysus... I guess the writer forgot to include "Tony"..Mandarich, not Montana.
Oh yeah, someone please remind me what exactly A-Rod has ever won, and what exactly he is using to justify his statement that Derek "Four Outa Five" Jeter will not get a contract near the size of A-Rod's?
Penny; the thrust of this article seems to be about name brand recognition. Nike did a series of spots a few years ago with Penny Hardaway and Chris Rock (I think?) where they established the name brand.
Championships are not always the best measure of a player in team sports. Give the Mariners the Yankee payroll and I think you'd see A-Rod with some championships too.
David "If only A-Rod would take up Hold'em" Ottosen
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"Does he look like a bitch" is my fav episode.
Mine is "The Bonfire of the Vanities."
It's considered one of the All-Time "Bombs", but I have to admit that I liked it. I think Tom Hanks was perfect, and I always love to watch Melanie Griffith get her's in the court-room scene at the end.
When I visit my dad and his wife(my step mother)and my two step sisters, it's like admitting I like porno movies when I tell them I'm a big Woody Allen fan. They think you gotta be twisted to like any of his films. They just don't get his material. And that shit he pulled with Mia Farrow's adopted daughter made it that much harder for me to defend his movies, so I've just given up.
The first twenty minutes of Ishtar really weren't that bad. Two movies I seem to sit through over and over if I happen to catch them are Flight of the Phoenix and Three Days of the Condor. Maybe they're not great movies, but I really enjoy them.
Okay, I admit it; I'll sit through many Jimmy Stewart movies over and over: The FBI Story and The Spirit of St. Louis, in particular. Oh yeah, and any Western he's in.
three days of the condor (esp in DVD)
the ninth configuration
the little girl who lives down the lane (jodie foster and martin sheen)
welcome to l.a.(not for all tastes)
manhunter (first hannibal lecter appearance, directed by michael mann)
salvador (along with platoon, a rare "watchable" oliver stone flick)
I am a 20 year old male and have played in Atlantic City once without being carded (at the Trop). Just curious if any of you know which casinos check ID and which don't, and what could happen if you're caught. Any tips appreciated.
I look pretty young and have never been carded at the table. I have only been carded once when cashing out in the couple years I've played in casinos. This is only Nevada experience, but I would guess it works everywhere else too.
If you do get carded just say you left your Id in the car. What can they say? Maybe you can have a friend cash you out.
Must be 21. If you get past the guards at the begining of the carpet (where the walkway ends and the casino gambling begins) you probably will not have a problem getting in (translation--it's easy to get in). Once seated, unless you look like a child or cause a problem, you will be OK. I suggest you do not drink alcohol. Amazing how you can negotiate contracts, make loans, serve in the military, but not legally play poker in a casino. Trop and Taj do a good job keeping kids out, but it is defeatable; not that I would encourage anyone to break the law.
Top Ten reasons to call the river bet...
10. I know you got me beat...
9. I can't beat a flush...
8. You got a pair, you win...???
7. I'll keep you honest...
6. I got a pair...
5. Let me see that straight...
4. I thought you were bluffing...
3. I got the ignorant end...
2. I'm from Missouri...
1. It's only money...
SPM,...and now you know why so many love hold'em...
My personal favorite:
I may go home broke, but not curious!
"The Bad Beat Buckaroo."
The young warrior slowly stood himself up from his poker chair, falling off a high horse, and myfundsrlow, mean the same thing. He had given the game all he had, his misery can only be understood by storytellers of bad beats, from the endless GREAT games they have played. Being young and full of hope can easily be destroyed by whims of Lady Luck. "Oh poker god why have tho forsaken me" the young warrior yelled up to the star lit sky. But, the poker god was busy inside helping another player who still had chips in the game.
Before he could reach his car he heard a voice that said, "if you build on it, she will come." "What did you say" he responded, "if you build on it, she will come." "What does it mean" he asked, there was no answer. If you build on it, she will come, what was the voice trying to say.
Week after week pay check after pay check he lost. The players began calling the young warrior, The Bad Beat Buckaroo. After being rivered several hands in row during a very costly session the Buckaroo threw his cards so hard one of them got tangled up in the hairdo of the Trailer Park Queen (TPQ). He had learned a couple of things but poker etiquette wasn't one of them. SETUP yelled one of the players, no one wanted to handle the cards after they had stuck in the TPQ's hair.
The Floor asked the Buckaroo to step out of the game for a moment. The Buckaroo put a chip on his shoulder and the Floor knocked it off with a glance. "Tighten up, show some patience, and when it's time to be aggressive, you'll know, but we can't have you throwing cards at the other players." He returned to his seat dazed, by the Floor's message. What he didn't know was the voice he heard that night in the parking lot was the voice of the Floor. He was having a cigarette in the parking lot, and responded to the Buckaroo's cry for help
Broke and out of a job, because he had turned pro, after having a three game winning streak, the Bad Beat Buckaroo was now a Professional railbird.
Will the Bad Beat Buckaroo find his way back to his mom's kitchen? Does he ever do the math of 2+2 ? Can a kid from the kitchen find life on the casino poker table? These questions and more will be answered in the final episode of the Bad Beat Buckaroo.
I see in a thread below that Mason Malmuth has been hitched to a fox. The natural question is :
To elaborate : Good poker players are those labeled epigrammatically tight/aggressives. Tightness results from knowledge and self-discipline. Aggressiveness can be learned or acquired but is much better applied when there's something in the psyche to tap on. Like leading a tough, competitive life altogether ; being a sociopath ; not getting enough; etc. Staying with that last one a bit longer, one wonders if ultra-satiation with voluptious doses of bonking would not tame the beast that roams aggressively on the green felt, if I can wax phonetically here...
My personal opinion is that this probably applies to any competitive endeavor. I recall reading that several racecar drivers abstain the night before for that reason. On a personal note, I once had a married card partner (Spades) who I could always tell by her play that she had been "tamed". Conversely, for some folks, indulging before a poker game might make you feel like King-Kong. Bottom line is probably "different strokes for different folks."
The only proble with a lot of sex is that your palm and fingers tend to tighten up and you may have trouble picking up your cards. Oh maybe I'm thinking of unisex?
I watched "Gladiator" last night. It is a good movie. No it is a very good movie. Tonite I watched "Any Given Sunday". It is a very good movie. Maybe the best I've seen this year.
Gladiator was awesome. I watched "The Children's Hour" and "Wait Until Dark" this last week (old Audrey Hepburn movies) and highly highly recommend them both. If you thought Breakfast at Tiffany's sucked then you might be pleasantly surprised by these two. Anyone seen "Rififi"? I can't find it in any video rental stores. Can't find "The Hustler" either.
If you can find it, you might also like These Three, an earlier version of The Children's Hour, which got around the Hollywood Code by turning a lesbian into an American. I agree: Wait Until Dark is terrific.
I've looked for These Three as well. No luck. It's annoying that the video rental places don't carry some of the best old movies. Instead they carry some crappy old movies and very crappy new ones.
I was at BBuster a few months ago and wanted to rent Blue Velvet. They didn't have it. The guy who was the manager of the video store had never heard of it! And he looked at me like I was the idiot for asking. I was on serious tilt. I asked everyone standing in line if they had seen it and everyone had. Shit, I'm still tilting now that I think about it. I better quit typing cuz I'm playing online in another window.
You really expected a manager at Blockbuster to know anything about movies? Sure you weren't on tilt when you walked in?
I watched Gladiator 4 times during the 2 day Blockbuster rental period. Obviously, I think it's a great movie. I have since added it to my collection. Any Given Sunday was OK but not good enough to be added to my movie library.
In no particular order:
The Virgin Suicides, Boiler Room, Almost Famous, Nurse Betty, Ghost Dog, probably forgetting a couple; guess I can't count the re-release of The Exorcist.
Oops, spaced Bring It On. And The Tao Of Steve. I'll also stick my neck out on Requiem For A Dream(gonna see it tomorrow). Jennifer Connelly, *heH*. And on Christmas, even. :)
Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmans, Happy Holidays to all the poker players from the VoP to Any2card Town.
Suburban Poker Man
...Happy Holidays, Happy Holidays, may the merry bells keep ringing, Happy Holidays to you all...
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Merry Christmas to everyone.
A special Christmas wish to my local poker friends:
The Professor, The Chairman, Midnight Marauder, Suburban Poker Man…..
May the blessings of the season find you all happy and healthy. And may you always flop top set in 2001…. Unless I’m in of course then I wish you nothing but second to my top set…
Merry christmas and happy new year.May all your big pairs win except when playing against me. And i hope in 2001 that you win all your blinds that the Marauder attempts to steal. Lar
Up until now, I have just focused on the "Chairman's", formerly known as the "Egg", big blind and "Just Another Egg's" big blind but starting in 2001, I intend to steel all the big blinds that I can and that includes yours as well Professor.
Merry Christmas to all and may your pocket aces always hold up.
man, larry..do you realize how much money you'd have???? i mean..we're talking Marauder here..heh
Happy Holidays to all my poker friends - it has been a real pleasure getting to know all of you better over the past year. Best wishes for a Healthy and Happy 2001.
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Happy holidays to you too, luv. You are the sweetest guy in the poker room. I don't even mind chasing down your Aces and Kings and NOT hitting...
ok ok i do..but you still smile pretty when you win..see ya'll soon.
Happy holidays back atcha..See ya soon, Mayor
One of your broke constituents.
ok ok, i aint broke..but i should be
Vince I was playing online last night with someone from Kailua-Kona. I have played with him a few times now and he can be damn funny. He said he was going to BELLAGIO TOMORROW! So I told him to look for you and your hats. I also told him you were looking for a backer in $300-600 and that you didn't want any of the profit, you were just after the thrill. He said he will seek you out (not for that purpose). I also said you were a buddy and that you had an acerbic creative wit similar to his. He said he will enjoy tormenting you.
Vince his initials are DJR. Now when someone sits down at your table and says, "Aloha!" you can say "I've heard that accent before. You must be another one from Kailua-Kona."
If he hits me with a machete I'm coming after you! (Maybe)
things to do in denver when you're dead
on any given sunday
I've only seen the first two. you should be on TV instead of Roger Ebert. natural born killers SUCKED!!!! Oliver Stone is hollywood vomit. except for Platoon. I liked Platoon.
"Bringing Out The Dead".
TTDIDWYD is a ripoff of Pulp Fiction, nothing more or less.
I haven't seen AGS, and won't because of the Oliver Stone-(post Scarface) Pacino(though he was great in Donnie Brasco) combo, but it can't approach the depths of NBK, can it?
God, I hope not; NBK and the other two I mentioned are so far ahead on my three worst of all-time list, I can't even think what #4 is.
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The graph of my poker results for this past year appears to UNDULATE accross the paper.
Whaddya mean, "appears to"?
Obvious, no? This reflects poor understanding of the english language.
Is it the data, the drops or the sixties comming back at you?
I just finished watching the Piglet Battle and thought I'd post about how awesome Iron Chef is. If you haven't seen this show you should check it out. It's on Food Network fridays and saturdays 10pm and 1am est, sundays 7pm est. I think this is the best show on television. There is an Iron Chef marathon Jan 1 from midnight to midnight.
My wife watches this show. I think it's hilarious. It IS supposed to be tongue in cheek, right?
I don't think so. I suppose they just wanted to have chefs competing against each other and came up with the wacky format. Remember, it's a japanese show so they probably take this kind of thing pretty seriously.
I am the greatest! I am the greatest! I am the greatest! I am the Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods of cooking. I beat Bobby Flaye's butt. Now I want Emeril's and Wolgang's. I am the greatest! If you smeeeeeeeeeeeellll what Morimoto-san is cooking! 3:16!
Bobby Flay agreed to "do the job" to Morimoto. Flay's losing was a pre-arranged agreement.
There was no way that Morimoto would agree to lose face by being defeated by an American.
Flay has three shows on the Food channel and had nothing to lose by having Morimoto being victorious.
The battle between the two was EPIC. Flay had to stand on puddles of water and received multiple electrical shocks.
I don't think that it was rigged. That's nice thinking if you can't stand to admit that Bobby got beat fairly. Admitedly he had some problems with the electricity but how much that affected his actual cooking I don't know. He got beat by a better margin than I would have thought.
Unfortunately, I don't get the Food Channel because I'd love to check it out. However, my pick for the best show on TV is The New Red Green Show which runs on PBS in spots. Two words: "duct tape."
I like all cooking shows - I shoulda been a chef - maybe I still will be. Iron Poker playing chef - nice ring to it.
I do this Iron chef skit which I made up - had my sister cracked up it has this bit about fried abalony penis.
They should change the name of it to - "things that will make a billy goat puke"
Me too. I tape the episodes.
1. The Beatles (no brainer)
2. Rolling Stones
3. Led Zepplin
4. The Band
5. Pink Floyd
6. The Eagles
7. The Byrds
8. The Who
10. Jethro Tull
I might compile the top 100 if I find that I have no life in the coming week. How could I forget Zappa (Cletis Alreits Alrigtus) and The Doors (Soft Parade and Morrison Hotel). Captain Beefhart and His Magic Band....come on. I saw them with Chicken Shack, Savoy Brown, Dr. John the Night Tripper and Iron Butterfly. My ears are still ringing!
Not to jump on the bandwagon but I saw Jethro Tull live (about 10/12 times) and although exellant could not compare to the band that should be #2(only because this is "influential" category)all after the Beatles the all time best band the GRATEFUL DEAD!All the Monster tours today are in some part a result of what the GRATEFUL DEAD did on the road.Why did Bruce Hornsby,Marcalus(of recent Tonite show status before Kevin Eubanks took over),Bob Dylan,Spencer Davis,and a slew of top notch musicians constantly hang around live GRATEFUL DEAD shows waiting for a chance to jam with the boys.And kudos to the Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band aka Don Van Fleit selection.I saw 3 shows live at the now deceased Golden Bear in H.B.Calif,and it was unbeleivable!The Nuts.
Good God, What did I start?
1. The Beatles 2. The Beatles 3. The Beatles 4. The Beatles 5. The Who 6. The Moody Blues 7. Buddy Holly and the Crickets 8. Chuck Berry 9. The Ink Spots 10. Cream
I have the banned Blind Faith album
Your top ten are great, no arguments.
Ask Metallica, and a host of others about Black Sabbath/Ozzy. Depends what u mean about influential.
...and then ask Ozzy about The Animals. IMO the first heavy metal band
Montrose(with Sammy Hagar) was the absolute direct precursor to Van Halen. The producer/engineer team of Ted Templeman and Donn Landee helped on their first album which is beyond question one of the top five hard rock albums of all time; and one of the ten greatest beginning-to-end-no-filler-every-song-killer records of any genre.
Ratso, your first three picks are obvious, but you were smokin' mistletoe when you spaced Hendrix and Bowie.
The Byrds is a great pick, but you can't have CSNY and The Eagles, too, as they're direct progenies of McGuinn & Co.
Great topic, I love lists. :)
Merry Christmas, everybody.
Quite true. Hendrix and the Doors were an omission. I had a tough time getting to 10. It was arbitrary. I cannot disagree with almost any of the above. Thin Lizzy, a Black Irish band is cool, but 1 song....I liked them, but really. Cream and Blind Faith are almost the same. I liked Buffalo Springfiels since that was thebeginning of many and really began hillbilly style rock with Furay et. al.
Thin Lizzy may have had only one big song(a song that will be played forever, BTW), but they were much, much more than that. Virtually every hard rock musician lists them right along Zep and Black Sabbath. Their album Live And Dangerous was a virtual musical blueprint for Metallica, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden and any other dual lead guitar band.
Do yourself a favor and buy Black Rose, you won't regret it.
I really have to agree with Thin Lizzy as an influence, but I think many people do not know them. I am familiar with that selection as well as some of the Sammy (Can't Drive 55) Hagar's stuff. You have got your shit together as thay said years ago.
An important rock band is not necessarily an influential one.
For example, you omitted Kraftewrk, whose records never broke any (umm) records, but look up any interview with the house innovators and the old techno freaks and you will see what a huge influence to parts of the American black music these straight-laced, Aryan-iconography Germans were!
I would agree about Led Zeppelin; a galaxy of bands were spawned. And one needs only to see Spinal Tap to fast forward to the end of that particular avenue of pleasure.
One cannot omit from such a list Fairport Convention, since they had such a pivotal role in establishing Folk-Rock.
And where are the most important catalysts of musical events after the Beatles? Where are The Sex Pistols? Love them or hate them, you cannot deny they were influential. Or that they were rock 'n roll.
In the same vein, two of the most influential rock bands were omitted, The Ramones, who preceded the British punks, and The Velvet Underground, who affected a whole generation of music players and fans.
Cream were instrumental (if you forgive the pun) in bringing upon us the big-name group concept and the dreary hour-long guitar solos, drum solos and (Gawd!) bass solos. Thanks a lot, Eric.
Is James Taylor a band? Are single artists eligible? If they are, JT opened the floodgates for the legions of singer-songwriters whom we had to endure sitting uncomfortably for three hours only because we were after getting laid by our long-dressed, long-haired, dreamy-eyed date.
Was Frank Zappa influential? Yes, not in the sense of being copied but in creating a musical attitude which took music extremely seriously and extremely non-chalantly at the same time: We are to stop expecting from music the solution to our problems or any kind of 'deep messages' but we should be ultra serious and ultra competent in being a musical person. Zappa was unique (and his output should've been half in quantity than what it was) but his mark in the music is undeniable.
(The above is but a brief look into the Most Influential Bands of Rock.)
Good points. The Eagles and CSNY are 'important', The Byrds were influential.
Kraftwerk is a great pick. The Velvet Underground is, to me, more problematical, as IMO a lot of their 'pub' stems from the fact that Lou Reed was once in the band. My guess is that, like Thin Lizzy, VU was a 'musicians' band' and you have to be really into them to 'get it'.
Walk On The Wild Side and Lust For Life are certainly two of the most important/infuential songs, but IMO both Lou Reed and Iggy Pop are well behind David Bowie in both imp and inf.
What about Public Enemy, Run DMC, and The Cars?
"The Velvet Underground is, to me, more problematical, as IMO a lot of their 'pub' stems from the fact that Lou Reed was once in the band. My guess is that, like Thin Lizzy, VU was a 'musicians' band' and you have to be really into them to 'get it'."
This is a different thing than influential now, it's whether they were any good. Well, you're talking to the wrong person! The VU is one of my all-time personal favorites, although by now everyone and his brother has jumped on the bandwagon. (It's de rigueur to include VU as an influence.) The band is in many people's favorite list because not only was it great but it was also short-lived! Whom the gods love, etc.
And I don't think you need any "deepness" in order to "get" the Velvets, anyway. They play straightforward rock 'n roll. Very honest, very tough rock 'n roll, without any stars in the eyes.
You're correct in that David Bowie has been more influential than solo artist Lou Reed. But not the Velvets! The Velvets were protean.
"What about Public Enemy, Run DMC?"
Who 'invented' rap?? I recall Rapper's Delight! Embarassing, isn't it?
(It is exceptional to find a dyed-in-the-wool conservative enjoying rock 'n roll so much. I'm somewhat surprised.)
I remembered Rapper's Delight, but that would be like having Bill Halley on there, which reminds me...
Can't diaagree. Fairport and Pryor were classic. Brian Auger as well. Ramones were/are still 1 of my favorites. Hard to limit them. Nice memory jog
I think rap will find a place. It is still oung and currently being exploited for the $$$
Elvis, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry.
What's WRONG with us? (walks away, head down, muttering to himself)
I think it is safe to say that Bob Dylan had an influence on an artist or two.
Played with most British R & B artists one time or another.
No question, JM and theblues Breakers were extra fine in the 60's
Good call on the man who turned on to the Blues so many young Brits. John Mayall was not a great musician himself but he was quite a catalyst.
I guess, if we start going down the influence road, one can't help but name pivotal disc jockeys like Dick Clark and Wolfman Jack (Owwwwww! I miss him so much).
Janis Joplin, The Pretenders, Fleetwood Mac, Heart, and of course QUEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For example, I did not see any other impressionable "white chicks" tearing their larynx after Janis. And Heart, for Christ's sakes?!?
Maybe Queen did a thing or too for arena rock but that's not really a musical genre...
These guys influenced "Our House". Your right Janis didn't influence Stevie Nicks although she was sometimes referred to her on a daily basis. Jefferson Airplane was a shoot off of Janis. Heart was one of the first "Girl Band" although they were sisters and just two. It led to the formation of woman bands. Janis was the beginning of woman hard rock.
If you don't think their influential WGAF.
"Jefferson Airplane was a shoot off of Janis"
What?! No connection at all. Original band members of the Airplane had no connection to Janis Joplin, nor did the great Grace Slick have anything to do with that throat-tearing singing of her. Janis was not influential. Having her name being dropped left and right in interviews means zilch; those musicians may have liked Joplin a lot (not to mention been impressed by her early exit) but they didn't copy or learn anything from her (what was there to learn?)..
"Heart was one of the first "Girl Band" although they were sisters and just two. It led to the formation of woman bands."
A thousand "woman bands" existed before Heart - and more genuine "woman band" too. From the 50s girl groups, all the way to the Grrrl rockers.Heart, for Christ's sakes... (Let's not forget to put Michael Bolton on the next list.)
-- Great book, by the way, Master Feeney. Although by the looks of your posts, your spell checker must've worked overtime.
It took 40 posts before a major disagreement. That is a record. It must be the holiday spirit. I am compiling a master list (wow, eh?) and will submit to my sister-in-law and her music lovin friends (she is a true guru of pop music, a well known expert who shall remain nameless since she wishes no credit). More later
Of course they are related. John is a psychologist and deals with nut cases all day long. And Paul.... Well let's just say he's spent a lot of time on the couch.
2. Buddy Holly
3. Chuck Berry
5. Rolling Stones
6. Jimi Hendrix
7. Grateful Dead
8. Alice Cooper
9. Bob Dylan
10. Ozzy Osbourne
13. Run DMC
I couldn't hold it to 10 sorry.
Who on earth did Ozzie fucking Osbourne influence? Not even his daughter.
He influenced Heavy Metal a great deal.
LL Cool J and NWA? Next you'll have Will Smith and Allen Iverson. I like them all, but come on.
The Grateful Dead, Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Jefferson Airplane, Allman Brothers, Leonard Skynard, Santana, The Doors, The Beatles...*not in that order*
You know lots of rock bands. I'm impressed, I could only come up with The Benny Goodman Band, they rock don't they?
SPM,...I like big band music...
That's a fact.
Right. It's obvious Morrison shamelessly ripped off Burden's stage persona. The lyrical content was very similar too.
Have you ever even listened to both of these bands?
Right. It's obvious Morrison shamelessly ripped off Burden's stage persona. The lyrical content is very similar too.
Have you ever even listened to both of these bands?
Lyrical content, roots, playing style, stage persona, ideas behind music - nothing similar.
And as far as influences go, both The Doors and The Animals belong to the same house : at the bottom of the hill. (Again, there's a confusion between how much a band influnced music and how it influenced me, the listener; the latter is totally irrelevant, my dears.)
Are you saying Morrison was NOT an influence in on-stage performance?
90% of what you see performers creating on stage today is due to what Morrison started and was even arrested for in the 60's.
end of story.
I don't see how you can say that. The Animals were formed in '64, The Doors in '65. This wasn't even enough time for The Animals to fully develop their own style, let alone have it stolen from them.
These bands were slightly before my time, but from what I've read, The Doors were mainly about Jim Morrison. I see ZERO similarities between him and Eric Burden other than that they were both Barritones.
You don't hear a simularity in Morrison's and Burdon's tone and style of voice? Not in lyrical content, or stage presents, or look, but just in the tone and style?
One of the silliest arguments I ever had was in the late 70's with some guy right after a song from The Animals played on the radio. He said, "Jim Morrison's incredible!" My friend(who I was in a band with) said, "Yeah, but why do you bring that up? The guy said, "You know, that song they just played, he kicks ass!" We tried to break the news to him, but he was convinced we were "Trying to blow his mind", if I remember his phrasing.
1. Velvet Underground 2. Led Zeppelin 3. Big Star 4. The Ramones 5. NWA 6. Black Sabbath 7. Slint 8. Judas Priest 9. The Cure 10. Motorhead
You may not like it, but you're stuck putting Van Halen somewhere on that list.
Van Halen (David Lee era only!) would certainly be on any top 20 list of the same topic. They *^$^$% rule, and I still listen to them with the same enthusiasm I did when I was buying their records new.
To leave out Iron Maiden is just plain silly. I am not a metal/glamrock fan but when it comes to being influential (the guitars in Maiden are nothing short of amazing) these guys should be at least #3 or 4. I think you maybe should have used a word other then influential. This list is not very diverse at all. okay later, Kris
"The guitars in Maiden are nothing short of amazing"
I have been playing the guitar for almost 30 years. An avid reader of guitar mags for 30 years also. Not only do I find nothing spectacular about the guitar playing in Iron Maiden(IMHO),I have not seen them mentioned in the same breath as the greats of the instument.
A few tidbits to throw out there while we (me?) are talking about guitars.
James Burton's use of the unwound third string was a major influence on all electic guitar players ( Even those who don't know who he is ). Today, people take it for granted that an electric guitar has an unwound third.
Jimi Hendrix always tuned his guitar down a half a step.So does Van Halen,as did Stevie Ray Vaughan. To the best of my knowledge Jimi was the first rock guitarist to do this.That's just one of many ways,that Jimi had an impact on his fellow guitarist.
I'm not knocking Maiden, I just don't think there is anything amazing about their guitar playing.
At least Ozzy had the late great Randy Rhoads,who could play circles around anyone in Iron Maiden.
I like the way you responded, you gave a good reason why you think that those guitars aren't amazing. Well you are probably right for the most part but in terms of making an instrument sound so damn good is indeed difficult. It doesn't necessarily mean that the stuff is tecnically difficult to play. I play drums so I can't actually tell when something is difficult to play on guitar or bass. But when listening to drums I like to hear songs where the drummer just makes it all sound good. Sometimes that means easy to do stuff and other times it doesn't. Some of the most complex stuff sounds like crap to me even though I could say "that guy is a great drummer", but I also have liked bands where the drummer plays like crap but has enough sense to at least keep it simple enough to where it doesn't actually sound crappy......I realize this sounds like mumbo jumbo, its just kinda hard to put into words, you're a musician maybe you know what I'm trying to say.
Anyway, I have heard several bands that have a style which is highly influenced by Maiden. Okay thats it, Kris Kris
I think I know exactly what you are trying to say. Steve Cropper (Booker T and the MG's,Otis Redding,Blues Brothers,etc.) for instance,influenced a ton of guitarist, yet his technique is very basic.He exemplified great tone and taste.
Final episode of the Bad Beat Buckaroo
The new railbird Buckaroo had a comp for the casino coffee shop. It was late or early morning. The poker room Floor saw the Buckaroo slumped in a booth sipping a cold cup of coffee. "Let me buy you a fresh cup Buck," said the Floor. "You look like you could use a friend." "All I need is a couple hundred to get back into the game and everything will be just fine," replied the battered and beaten Buckaroo.
"With your style of play it'll take more than a couple of hundred to get you back into the game," Buck! responded the Floor. "Yea and what style is that?" asked the Buckaroo. "Any 2 will do is your style Buck and it's the quickest road to the poor house." Said the Floor. "Yea I heard about a place called Any2card Town. The residents there always play any 2 cards, and most of them don't look like their in the poor house," the Buckaroo snapped. "That's true enough, said the Floor, but they all have good paying jobs, their recreational players. Your a professional rail bird, see the difference, Buck."
The next couple of hours the Floor talked about the Valley of Patience, and the legend of the THREE BIG ROCKS. Patience, Power, Position. If you build on your experiences, then Lady Luck will come, the Floor told him.
SPM,...it's a long journey to the Three Big Rocks, some say it's worth the trip...
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays SPM. I enjoyed your three-part story. It's some of the best stuff you've posted. It looks like you put a lot of time into it.
Have a happy New Year,
"But there was a time -- for about five years in the '80s -- when people often argued that Dale Murphy was the best player in baseball. He did everything you would ever want a player to do on the field. He was everything you would ever want a player to be off the field.
Just like Kirby Puckett.
So when those (Hall of Fame)voting returns come rolling in next month, when Murphy gets his 112 votes and Puckett gets his 412 votes, remember that. Almost everything about their careers was the same -- except the ending. And the vote totals."
And the two World Series rings. Not saying Murphy doesn't deserve it(he probably does), but these sportswriters slay me.
And if Jack Morris doesn't get in, they outa shut the damn thing down; although as baseball has by far the worst HOF of any sport(the best: the LPGA's), I don't know why I get upset over this stuff.
The eve of Christmas Eve, the SPM went to East Chicago. Wanting to increase his yearly totals, as the end of the year rapidly approaches. He decided he would play from the VoP, but he was in a gambling mode, he just didn't know it.
Starting out in a 4-8 HE game his first hand was 88 at the cut off. After the flop he mucks his cards after taking a commuity last look at the pocket 88. When he slid them into the muck an Any2card player was disappointed the SPM didn't call the $4 bet after the flop. "Too many over cards" said the SPM, but the any2 player just shook his head.
The SPM won his first hand a moment later with a set of eights. The any2 card player smiled, he was sure it had been his encouragement that had promted the SPM to play the hand to the river and not the set of eights.
Playing in the VoP all the way to the 10-20 HE game. Up 2 stacks and increasing the yearly results seemed a shoe-in.
Then without warning the left hand of the SPM began putting chips into the pot with any2cards. The SPM was on full tilt. Winning with 10 7 suited from early position after a raise and one of the young rounders said "your playing a lot of hands Suburban." When you win on tilt it's ugly and beautiful at the same time. Convinced the poker god was on his side the SPM had the gambling mode wide open.
But, Lady Luck had the day off,last minute Christmas shopping. And everyone knows the poker god can't work alone, he gets confussed with all the silent praying from the other player. He, like most men need direction from a women. This was info the SPM did not have until after the fact.
It was Chrismas in East Chicago, and the SPM was donating all his chips to the Hold'em Christmas fund. Well at least it was for a good cause.
The moral of this story is if you ever get to the VoP and would like to stay there, never play that first bad out of position hand. It could take weeks or months to get back into the VoP playing zone.
SPM,...I was there for ten days but I played one rag hand five weeks ago and it's been a long journey trying to find my way back to the VoP...
I have just read a sad story about beloved wife of one of my country's celebrity. Unfortunately, she died in her fifties after one year fight with disease. She, during her illness, didn't know that she must die. Her doctor (by the way, WW II hero who my country is proud of) said that it was along with his "philosophy of dying". He, and nobody around, was not telling her truth till the end.
This view (not letting somebody to know that she/he will die - I'm not talking about children of course) is very common here.
I personally want to know the truth. Must die? - no problem. It's life. Better know before and have time to care of persons and things near me.
I'm curious, what are views and/or common practice regarding this in America. Maybe law regulates it?`
In Illinois if the patient is competant, the Doctor is required by law to inform the patient of his illness and it's out come. The family may not request the Doctor be silent and not inform the patient of his illness or out come.
SPM,...married to a BS RN ICU...
disease or no, we al must die. no matter what a doctor tells you, remember that fact. and live your life constantly aware of its imminent end.
This is not about Christmas. Of course, she should be told, but sometimes we must wonder if that knowledge isn't a terrible thing. With that knowledge, we can prepare ourselves, as you say, and many people today use Hospice to die with dignity in their own homes, surrounded by family and friends, and often free from pain since Hospice advocates using the necessary means to alleviate suffering.
But, we don't have the choice to make the final decision. A friend of mine, Noel Early, whose last days were chronicled on Nightline, appealed to the lawmakers of Rhode Island to rethink laws regarding assisted suicide. I first met Noel when he came to me to have me look at a very long letter he had written. Noel was still a student, even if he was twenty-five years older than the typical college freshman. After reading his letter, I asked him why he used all those big words. He said, "Well, that's what my audience is expecting. They want to be confused."
I remember the day Noel called me aside to look at the involuntary quivers along his thigh, and I sat quietly as Noel told me he suspected he had ALS (Gehrig's Disease). Noel was a brilliant man, and he didn't need a doctor to confirm his diagnosis. He had already poured through the research and knew what his last days would be like. At that point, he said he would die with dignity--before the disease took all he had.
But, as I suspected, Noel kept going until the end and died a horrible death. Noel was able to bring notoriety to his case through his remarkable sense of media manipulation and public speaking skills. Noel was P.T. Barnum with a Mensa card, part raconteur, part lost soul. He was my friend.
The Christmas before he died, Noel had hundreds of buttons made, which he distributed around the school. In the middle of the button was a capital L, surrounded by a circle with a line through it. Apt. I still have one of those buttons, and at this time of year, I can't help thinking about a friend I miss.
I hope all you guys back in Rhode Island had a great holiday. Best wishes to all my friends and family and I'll try to make it back next year if things ease up at my end.
I typed your late friends name into the search engine www.google.com and the top link got me right to the Providence Journal story on Noel's death. I haven't had time to read it yet but if anyone is interested here is the link:
PS: This Christmas Santa gave me the book "Style - Ten Lessons in Clarity and Grace" that you pointed out and it is great so far. Maybe if I get some sleep I can write that book SammyB thinks I have in me ;-).
A very dark movie about drug addiction from the director of "Pi" and the author of "Last Exit To Brooklyn", so you should know what to expect.
Absolutely brilliant, Oscar-worthy performance by Ellen Burstyn. And Jennifer Connelly proves again that she is a very underrated actress, in addition to being the most beautiful woman in the world(a title she has held for over ten years now).
Hypnotic score from the Kronos Quartet, great cameo from Keith David, and some neat editing/visual tricks.
If you liked "Boys Don't Cry", "Bad Lieutenant", and "Christiane F.", go see this.
Well, it was definately different. I could not agree more about the hypnotic score.
BTW/ I did not know, that they showed 'adult only' movies in Salt Lake.
You're forgetting about the Sundance Festival. We've got a very good "art house" movie theatre here. And a couple of small cinemas will show an NC-17(like Showgirls or Henry & June) that the big chains won't, if they think they can make money off it. One of the big newspapers won't advertise 'adult' movies, though.
Very funny how RFAD is shown in SLC, but probably not in LV, unless they reopened the Huntridge or something equivalent.
Can't take the risk that the children of Utah tourists might sneak into it after seeing "The Grinch" at one of the Station megaplexes, I guess... :)
Thanks for the Salt Lake info.I saw it at the Suncoast Casino Megaplex in Vegas.The Same place that showed the Godfather,Goodfellas,and Casino, on the big screen for $1 about two monthes ago.
"Hey, did you see that play?"
"No man, I missed it what happened?"
"Awesome man, I can't believe he caught that ball."
"The replay's comming up...here it is look man, can you believe that!"
(From across the table)
"Wow, what a catch!"
(Me--thinking to myself) "Will you boring assholes please shut the fuck up! If I wanted to hear it we could just turn up the damn volume!"
(From the new guy that just sat down) "Hey, what's the spread on that game anyway?"
"Six and a half. Can you believe that? I'd never give that many points."
"The coach sucks."
(Now from the dealer) "He was a better coach in college, I'll never bet on him again--ever."
(Me--thinking to myself) "Oh great, now they've got the dealer involved in this boring babble. No wonder he's a stupid God-damned dealer!"
"First down, they finally did something right!"
(Now all of the sports degenerates at the table are involved)
"MAN, WHERE'S THE DAMN DEFENSE!"
"OH, THERE GONNA REPLAY THIS"
(Me--thinking to myself) "Replay this you damn morons!"
Conclusion: Never play poker on Saturday, Sunday or Monday. Games are always short, idiots won't quit replaying each and every play, they all repeat everything they read in the morning sports page; you don't end up playing poker, you play football instead. I learned my lesson.
I wish the popular sports of today were at least somewhat interesting, like fencing, for instance.
Ask "Mr. Civilized" John Cole about frog baseball.
My all-time personal participatory favorites are Sport Judo, Bombardment, and British Bulldog.
Heck, even watching the Olympic gymnasts and figure skaters is about a thousand times more interesting than watching pro team sports.
A few years ago, Mary was invited to speak at the 100 year anniversary of Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. The idea was to invite featured speakers and bring in all the big money donors for a dinner. Each table included at least one donor, and the other guests were encouraged to help with the festive mood to encourage further contributions. (Mary's speech informed the audience about high-risk pregnancy from the patient's point of view; she was also the only patient who spoke at the dinner.)
Seated at out table was Joan Smith, whose name when she competed eludes me now. Joan was US figure skating champion in 1939 and 1940, and she was also doubles champion in one of those years, too. After telling us that she had been an intellectual disappointment to her parents--her father has a library named after him at Harvard--she regaled us with stories about her days at Oxford. (Apparently, she wasn't that much of a disappointment.)
She had been selected captain of the Olympic team in 1940, but those Olmpics weren't held because of the war. Someone asked her what judges look for during competitions. Joan yelled, "How the hell should I know! I doubt they know what they're looking for anymore." Joan believed that the medals weren't won but simply awarded.
as a poker strategy buff how can you say that pro football is boring?
.. that will distract my opponents attention to the task at hand
from all of 2+2 we wish you all happy hollidays. may the coming year be your best year ever. good luck.
You and all 2+2 and all posters too. By the way the luck and best year ever will be great to look forward too.
To David, Mason and Ray,
Thank you for this site. I consider myself fortunate to be able to talk poker, philosophy and life with some of the brightest minds I have never met.
Jim, I offer you the Golfer's Prayer: God, give me the strength to swing easy.
scott: Thanks for illustrating to me how wonderful my own kids are by comaprison.
skp: Thanks for getting the jokes.
Rick: The quality of your posts and your analyses are incredible considering you're doing it half asleep. Take a nap and write a book.
Greg: Here's hoping you win the big one this year. Although I don't play PL or NL your posts on the subject are wonderful to read.
Vince: When I start laughing out loud in front of the computer my wife asks, "Another Vince post?" You are a treasure.
M: Here's hoping you'll get the hang of posting all of your thoughts at once.
Louie: The undefeated champ of "Ultimate Sarcasm". We have lovely parting gifts for the rest of you.
Abdul: Without a doubt some of the most illuminating posts of the year.
Izmet: Thanks for the cute little foxes and the guy with the sore d**k. Priceless stuff.
My most heartfelt thanks go to all the participants who post problems that I don't think are problems until I read the responses.
Thanks again to everyone here and I wish all of you health and happiness.
shucks, sammy. you're too kind.
can your kids say the alphabet backwards when they're falling down drunk? it took a little training, but i know it cold.
intemperance can be good, you know. not many people have the intellectual breadth and depth i've managed to pick up in my spare time, so to speak. life is filled with passion and moderation is the surest way to destroy it.
you're cool for an old guy, sammy. dont forget to look for me in the police blotter.
Another LOL post...
Particularly enjoyed the ones about scott and M...
Most reponses to M's posts are from M himself as he adds, deletes or otherwise modifies his previous offering...good offerings though...
Happy holidays, Sammy (and everyone else).
Same here, Ray, to you and the 2+2 company.
How about top 2 sections for 10 Pop guitarists which would include rock and most of the new stuff then a section for Classical and Folk? Think about it and just don't put someone who was popular and sucked like Hansen
Roy was something.I always loved his version of 'Hey Joe' and his use of volume swells had a big impact on Jeff Beck (Maybe the best guitar player ever). Jeff Beck even dedicated a song to him fromm the 'Blow by Blow' album. Roy was offered the job in the Rolling Stones in 1969 (the job Mick Taylor would later get until he quit the band in 1975,to be relaced by Ron Wood).He turned it down to avoid long stints away from his family.Roy also played on the Dale Hawkins hit 'Susie Q' (later remade by CCR,among others). Sad he hung himself in a jail cell many years later.
I will be gone most of the day or I could talk guitar stuff all day.Just want to mention that although not rock,Doc Watson and Chet Atkins are incredible.
As far as classical guitar goes. Although obvious,Andres Segovia and John Williams(not the film composer) are two of the best of all time.
Agree; his version of "Hey Joe" is my favorite. Also, I like "Down by the River." I have a few John Williams lp's, and I like him. Saw Sharon Isbin (sp?) last year. See was pretty good--of course I don't really know what I'm talking about--but marketing has taken over classical, too. My cousin, who teaches at Pomona, is in her league, but he doesn't have a huge PR campaign behind him.
You guys are very good. I did not expect those names to pop up so early. Great knowledge of real talent. I like Jeff Beck and think he is truly excellent. I also like some Leo Kottie, John Fahey, Robert Cray. I will leave the rock guitarists to all the young dudes.
Al Dimeola jazz.
Although there have been arguments for years if it is in fact jazz or not,one thing for sure,Al Di Meola is one bad mother.His early work with RETURN TO FOREVER,his solo stuff,and his stuff with Paco De Lucia and John McLaughlin is great. Paco and John are great,great, guitar players as well. John McLaughlin's work with Miles Davis was especially awe inspiring. As far as Di Meola,my personal favorite album of his is ELECTRIC RENDEVOUS.
I know I said I would be out all day, but I just had to step inside to check on this thread. Now, time to go do some chores !
The top ten Jazz guitarists are:
1: Joe Pass
2: Joe Pass
3: Joe Pass
4: Joe Pass
5: Joe Pass
6: Joe Pass
7: Joe Pass
8: Joe Pass
9: Joe Pass
10: Joe Pass
I saw him play in 1974 and after five minutes I realized that I never saw or heard anyone as good.
After ten minutes, I knew I never would hear anyone so good.
Although he died five years ago, it's been true.
Check out his Virtuos I album.
Okay,I know I say, I'm going to go do some chores. This is my last post for a while I promise :-)
Joe Pass- One of the all time greats of the guitar,period.Like most jazz guitarist he flatpicked for many years.That was not enough for Joe though,then he decided to explore fingerpicking.He became a MASTER of both.The thing that is so amazing about Joe Pass and the late Lenny Breau, is that the two of them are the only two that I am aware of that could play seperate complex lines simultaneously,completly improvised. They could make it swing too.
Joe Pass also wrote a few very good instuction books.
There are a bunch of great Jou Pass stories.Here's a short one............................
Herb Ellis (who did some great duets with Joe on Concord,SEVEN COME ELEVEN,my fav.) used to work on THE MERVE GRIFFIN SHOW,Whenever he could not make the show(sick,gig,etc) he would send Joe.Well Merve never really noticed Joe, he had other things on his mind. One day Merve is singing a song and the camera pans to Joe,and then back to Merve. Well when Herb Ellis comes back to work, Merve tells him why did you send in a replacement with a bald head? I don't want my viewers tuning in to see any bald heads. He is never to work this show again.
Joe Pass- A Legend
I'm sure I spelled Merv wrong in the above post abot a gazillionn times.
How about Bucky and John Pizzarelli for best father/son team?
My vote for best father and son team is Doc and Merle Watson. Mele was way better then most people know.He used to hang backstage at folk festivals in the early 60's and ask the blues greats like Mississippi John Hurt for lessons. He learned Mississippi John's awesome right hand muting technique first hand. He also was a great slide guitar player. He died way too young ,from a tractor accident on his farm.
Speaking of slide guitar and going too early in life. The greatest slide guitar player ever, died at the age of 23.I know the great Jimi Hendrix died at 27 but I mean Howard Duane Allman was only 23 .Chet Atkins told a story once about how his daughter had begged him to see her favorite band at some local club.He goes in to see a very young Allman Brothers Band and is just floored by Duane.If you can floor Chet Atkins, that is really saying something.
Saw Joe Pass, early 70's at Cerritos College, Norwalk Cal. It was awesome and I believe free.
My favorite is "Land of the Midnight Sun" featuring all of RTF. Lenny White's "Venusian Summer" featuring RTF and others. One other artist from King Crimson-Pete Sinfield "Still" has many great guitarists too many to list.
RTF had the "Progressive Jazz" label given to their albums in the 70's because they didn't know what else to call it!! I had the priviledge to see them at the Orpheum in Boston. All four stood out they were a super group to me at the time.
We'll have to do keyboards next!! Geoffrey Downes from Asia, and Chick Corea automatic.
I've never heard anyone ever refer to Al Dimeola as a jazz guitarist before.
He only won the best jazz guitarist award in Guitar Player magazine many years running.That was a while ago but he has been called a jazz guitarist by some.
The debate I believe has more to do with his solo albums then the RTF period.Also, the debate I believe has nothing to do with the sounds he makes but whether or not his music is jazz in it's pure form.Most (all?) jazz fans consider jazz to be a theme followed by an impovisation, or some variation there of. One thing for sure,for the pure jazz fan, there better be some inprovisatiun involved somewhere.I think he said somewhere that his music on his albums(at least the early solo ones) was all worked out in advance. Hence it can't really be jazz,in the eyes of many.
I'm off to the airport.
This is Vy. That was shit in the pumpkin pie.
(Don't take things to heart so much, dude.)
That's it DUDE!! Another Heart joke I'm sending the Heart Queens over to do you IN!!!!!!!! They are always on top too!!! Just like MM on his honeymoon!!
If sex with the Heart chicks is the alternative, I surrender. You the man.
I mean so far I haven't even wasted a handkerchief with Heart (and I don't mean gettin' emotional)...
Roy Buchannan Jeff Beck Richard Thompson Les Paul Robert Cray Nile Rodgers Jeff Lynne (ELO) Jimmy Page Eric Clapton Peter Lang Alvin Lee (10 yrs after) Jimmy Hendrix Eddie Van Halen Lenny Kravitz Stevie Ray Vaughn John Fahey John McLaughlin Ace Frehley (Kiss) Nino Bentencourt G.E. Smith (Sat Night Live) Duane Allman B.B King (not really but he's cool) Carlos Santana (marginal)
. . . do yourself a favor: buy Songs For Drella and put on "Forever Changed". It's a duet, with John Cale and Lou Reed. You will hear what an accomplished master can take out of the instrument of electric guitar.
And thanks for putting another of my all-time favorite axemen, Richard Thompson, in a list.
Drove into work this morning blasting "Wall of Death," which always reminds me of the great scene in The 400 Blows. Rick Nebiolo and I saw Thompson at Lupo's in Providence, but we missed the great concert at the same venue where he and ex-wife Linda got into a fight on stage. I'm glad chally put him on the list, too.
you can't be serious.
There is no such thing as a perfect list.
Take it as a rule. It applies all the way from convenience store shopping to rock gitarists.
perfect list......... perfect...........perfection....
What is perfection? does it exist? if it does will I ever find it?
For Bluegrass I would nominate Tony Rice and the guitar player in Ricky Skagg's band Kentucky Thunder. I don't know what his name is but the kid (not older than 23) can flat out pick.
Ace Frehley holds the record number of "no shows" at concerts and when he did he was so wrecked he probably played with his eyes closed. Just on shear balls he is on the list.
and he got more chicks than I could ever dream of. maybe I'm just jealous of that burned out slut. lol
Here's a little statistical problem:
I just read an argument that the dissapearence of 0.400 batting in baseball is due to better play. How could an improvement in play result in the decline of something associated with good play?
If you are not familiar with this argument it is something to think about.
1) Can you provide the answer? (hint: it has nothing to do with improvement in pitching relative to batting, it is a statistical argument--though the data backs it up).
2) What is the application of the same logic that can explain the disapearence of 0.400 hitting in baseball, to poker?
If you know the answer from reading this argument somewhere then let others take a shot at it. It is actually an important concept.
I don't know, but I'll stick my neck out. It must have something to do with natural ability and proper training. When a new game is invented some players will just be natural's at it, but as time passes the other players will learn the proper plays also everyone will start to level out. This means that the medeocre players will start to have better averages and the superstars will have worse averages.
Are you referring to Steven Jay Gould's essay "The Creation Myths of Cooperstown"?
Probably. I'm reading his book "Full House" which spends about 1/3 of it's pages discussing the 0.400 paradox. His work on this was done much earlier than this book, so it is probably the same central argument.
In "Full House" he relates uses it to illustrate the concept that he really wants us to understand in terms of evolutionary biology. His thesis in that area is that there is no such thing as "progress" in evolution. We are in, have always been in, and always will be in, the Age of Bacteria. We are just the meaningless noise of variance at the far right of the curve of life.
No one seems to be taking a shot at this one, but since I'm familiar with the argument, I won't go into it. I'd like to suggest, though, if you haven't thought about it, seeing how Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions and his notion of paradigmatic shifts can be applied to seminal texts in poker literature. That is, does TOP occasion such a shift? If so, when will the paradigm shift again? Or, will basic changes in the game itself, for example, blind structures and rakes, make certain works obsolete.
Now you did it! You let the Paradox virus out.
There was a warning. You are at great risk, leave now!
This is the best argument I can think of...
Fielding has improved dramatically. So much so that batters now need to "swing for the fences" more often as a game strategy. This effectively reduces the maximum possible batting average.
Note that I know nothing at all about baseball, so if fielding actually sucks, or something, don't bother flaming me. :-)
It is really making me mad that my closet homosexuality has been exposed. Make them STOP!
that closet's getting awfully smelly...clean it up, will ya?
At least you are not a male lesbian like me.
Be carful what you say, Big Brother is around...
SPM,...paranoid, paranoia, is everywhere...
This is not a threat but a promise to the little wet-dream liberal who has taken cowardly liberties with my username to promote his most inner shameful desires, failure of his manhood, yea I know a jailhouse punk when I read your demented threads. I also know that you cant use the same email address, then you be traced wont you sicko....looking forward to breaking your knuckles
quit fellating your tarnished ego.....you couldn't break anyone's legs Mr.Fop.
A while back, I heard about a movie about poker that was in the process of being made by someone who knew poker. Does anyone know how it stands on getting to the big screen. thanks/vanoo
They already released it. It was called "Rounders".
I believe you are thinking of "The Big Blind", written and directed by David James. Good Question. Anyone?
I heard it was a not a very good movie - it was screened at a tournament last year - it probably went straight to video tape. I have looked for it and no luck. Try RGP there are guys there who know the producer.
Bend over rounder
Thanks for all the info even u Terry./vanoo
Do casinos in southern california like The Bike or Commerce offer satelites for The World Series of Poker's smaller events? I know Commerce has super satelites for the Final event, but I'm just interested in the events that are less than $5000, limit or No-limit hold'em.
I heard on a cable TV program that GWBush is a "serious" poker player who would play frequently in a serious East Texas game - any info on this.
It would give me even more respect for the man knowing he plays regular poker.
"Even more respect?" You must have mispoken. Phrased this way it indicates that you already have some respect for the man.
Unless he plays poker himself but is opposed to legalized poker rooms.
He has always seen himself above the law. Most glaring is his cocaine use, which was well documented through 1985.
I don't know much at all about Bush. It simply strikes me that if he enjoys and plays poker in a private game or two then he ought to be pro-poker---or at least not be against legalized poker. His position otherwise might be considered somewhat hypocritical, and perhaps rightly so.
NOTE: whoever the sicko is who has took unwarranted liberties to use my user-name and e-mail address for this forum better stop, I know who you are " the little crybaby" who doesnt except Bush as president, but that is old news now isnt it. I have already notify usa.net of your immature fiasco!!!!
I see it doesn't take much to impress you. Please stay away from any and all cults.
SPM,...defending the right to be...
but how would you feel knowing the man you elected to make life decisions for you, was one of the live ones in the game.
My roomie is a hunting guide and outfitter. He takes hunters out on weeklong excursions hunting deer, bears, and stuff like that. Zee-man would know what I'm talking about.
About eight years ago, my pal is at a convention in the States and Cheney sits down and talks to him about hunting in Alberta. Had the trip booked, arrangements made,etc. but he told my pal he had these government hearings coming up shortly and it might impact his ability to get away.
Couple of weeks later, he's appointed to some low-level minor government job (Secretary of Defence, I think you call it) and there went the hunting trip.
Does this count as sort of an indirect Celebrity sighting?
You are to be commended for your astute choice of words---you know what I mean!
I personally hold not much preference for Bush over Gore or vice versa. However I can recognize a talent when I see one and I have just seen one in Rounder. I believe this to be part of the greater talent which helps Rounder succeed at the poker table.
So, Rounder, if we can forget our past differences I will buy you a Guinness if we ever meet.
Who's going to win the Super Bowl???? My opinion is the Broncos but that's only because I'm a diehard Bronco fan!!!!
New Years & The Resolutions
It is that time of year again, when the residents of Any2card Town (A2CT), make their POKER RESOLUTIONS, for the coming year. As we have learned from the Suburban Poker Man, (SPM) there are two places a poker player can live, they are the Valley of Patience (VoP) and A2CT.
It is universally known, the players from A2CT are always trying to improve their game. They hope someday they can move into a big VoP house. Players from the VoP make poker resolutions, but lets be realistic, the permanent residents of the Valley, probably only make dollar resolutions. The VoP is filled with players who believe they can earn more money than the year before. Of course those dollars will come form the backs of the A2CT residents. The A2CT residents, resolve each year, to commit to some of the basics, the ones they forget about from time to time, most of the time..
As the Mayor of A2CT, I would like to inspire, encourage, challenge, trick, or what ever it takes, to get all the residents of A2CT, to really go for the nuts this year. We should commit to tossing all the rag hands away in 2001, only play quality starting hands from the correct position. Toss Ax off from all positions, this is a clever rag hand that eats away at our bank roll. Don't play trouble hands from early position. Lets take it one step further and only play them in late position, with no raise and only when their suited.
I know how good a KJ off looks after tossing dozens of hands away. Then UTG, we get what looks like a monster hand, KJ off, compared to all the rags we have muck it looks beautiful. I know how much fun it is to play, just watching the action is boring, but you must tighten up in 2001.
You can tell me about all the big wins playing Ax off and KJ, J10, K10, QJ off etc., TROUBLED HANDS. You can tell me about the monster pots you have taken down with J7 suited, or when you played that 97 off from UTG, or the dog hand you always play, K9 suited and unsuited from any position. I also know, you couldn't wait to get to your poker records to mark down those wins. However, I also know, the time you lost seven games in a row, you tossed the poker records and now you have no actual record of your results. However, you are sure your winning for the year or close to even.
The A2CT banner for 2001 says, "TIGHT & AGGRESSIVE"! Don't let anything distract you from your New Years Resolution. The rewards for play poker, Tight & Aggressive will be substantial, the greatest reward comes from the feeling you get, when you are playing in the zone of awareness. Should you find the path too rocky and need a friend just dial up 2+2 and post me.
SPM,...Mayor A2CT----Tight & Aggressive... : -D
I believe. I do believe. I hereby resolve to follow the sage advice of the Mayor of A2CT, SPM, in 2001 and for the rest of the new millenium.
Is there a Rounders sequel in the works? I heard some rumors about this.
First one bombed at the box office. That's the only criteria that matters. Never happen.
Anytime you want info on movies that are in production:
Guess we should delienate btwn ones we've seen and ones we've read about, as well as btwn exciting ones and important ones, i.e. the Johnson-Jefferies fight was very important, but not much of a fight.
Ones I saw:
1975 World Series Game 6
1991 World Series Game 7
1982 NFC Championship Game
1987 NBA Eastern Conference Final Game 7(?)
1986 Australian Rules Football Championship Game
1995 Wimbledon Women's Final(Graf-Sanchez Vicario)
1995 U.S Open Men's Final(Sampras-Agassi)
2000 Australian Open Men's Semi(Agassi-Sampras)
2000 PGA Championship, U.S. Open, & British Open
Andre the Giant vs. Hulk Hogan (Wrestlemania 3), Undertaker vs. Mankind (Hell in the Cell Match), Razor Ramon vs. Shaun Michaels (ladder match).
Canada Cup 1972+1987
Game 7 Atlanta Hawks-Boston Celtics (Bird-Wilkins shootoff)
NCAA Championship Game 1979 Michigan State vs Indiana State (first Bird vs Magic matchup)
2000 AFC Wildcard game Tennessee-Buffalo (Music City Miracle)
FYI - 1972 was not a Canada Cup but just a Canada Soviet Union summit series. But definitely belongs in the list.
1996 Ryder Cup; 1987 Stanley Cup finals (Edmonton over Philly in 7); 1994 Stanley Cup finals (Rangers over Canucks in 7); Sugar Ray Leonard v. Thomas Hearns;
1987 Edmonton/Philly was incredible. I was in Northlands, and still vibrating two hours after the game. I just KNEW that was the only time in my life I would see a Game 7 live, and it was special.
Thrilla in Manila has to rank up there pretty high.
Duke/Kentucky NCAA game with the Laettner buzzer-beater.
Probably the most exciting NBA game I ever saw was a triple OT playoff stunner between the Celtics and the Suns. Havlicek and Paul Westphal were unbelieveable. Suns deliberately called a TO at the end of one OT that they didn't have, resulting in a technical that the Celtics converted, but gave the Suns the ball at mid-court instead of under their basket. Garfield Heard took the inbounds pass and made a 30-foot turnaround (pre 3-point days) that sent the game into the 3rd OT. Resulted in a rule change the next year.
Canada/Russia 1972 was the nuts. 'Mericans would have no clue as to the significance of that event here.
The Catch. I am a lifelong 'Boys fan, so you can imagine how much that hurts to put this game on the list. I loved it when Dwight Clark had to pay the big fine this fall. Serves you right, you #$%^%&*&!
1986 Masters. Jack runs the table coming in.
1999 U.S.Open (golf), and not just because of the sad events later. Payne and Phil, down the stretch, last man standing. And the sportsmanship and class of both men at the end.
Fantastic Finishes - Flutie to Gerard Phelan.
I am an american and I still remember watching the Canada/Ussr series like it was yesterday. And I was 7 at the time.
All right so I don't remember details, but I do remember how exciting it was.
That 1987 Oilers team was the best team ever. No doubt about it...how do you like Messier, Anderson and Nilsson jumping over the boards to play the *second* half of a power play to give Gretz, Kurri and any old fire plug a break.
And Coffey and Ruotsalainen manning the points...man, what a team...I long for the old battle of Alberta playoff match-ups.
Hockey these days sucks but maybe the return of #66 will help.
Other great hockey moments:
1987 Canada Cup (3 best games ever)
1980 US Olympic team win over Soviet Union
...and any game that Gretzky played in between 1979 and about 1991...
- the first War Games/Match Beyond on 7/4/87 in the Omni; The Four Horsemen v The Superpowers & The Legion Of Doom
- the 2016 Rollerball Championship Game
- the 2000 WSOP Championship and Deuce-Seven Draw headsup finals?
or Balboa v. Creed II
Maurice Smith vs. Mark Coleman, Don Frye vs. Amauri Bitteti, Marco Ruas vs. Paul Varelans, Dan Severn vs. Oleg Taktarov, Royce Gracie vs. Dan Severn, Vitor Belfort vs. Tank Abbott, Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Royce Gracie
#1. Secretariat wins third leg of Triple Crown
What is it with you and this horse?
The 1973 Belmont Stakes is the only sporting event that I still get chills thinking about and get a little choked up watching(although Hagler-Hearns is a fairly close second).
I was furious during ESPN's Fifty Greatest show on Sec't when they not only didn't show all three races in their entirety, but didn't have much of the original track/TV race calls, just a bunch of race fishhacks jabbering.
Anyone know of any documentary tapes/books available on the 1973 Triple Crown or links to the SI articles?
Big Red rules and that 1:25(?) will stand awhile.
NOTE: Sec't would hold the record in all three races if the Pimlico clock hadn't malfunctioned. Several respected peoples' hand times gave him the record by more than a second there.
Using modern technology and the video tape they have finally awarded the "official" Pimlico track record to Secretariat. The call of the 73 Belmont can be heard and read at ...
and a good tribute to Secretariat is at...
At least I think it was Sec't.
He was out grazing by himself when a jet flew overhead. Groom said Sec't looked up and followed the plane across the sky until it was gone. Groom said he'd never seen a hoss do that.
My favorites, in no particular order, tho 1, 2 and 10 are probably tops:
1976 NBA finals Game 5 A nine-year old's introduction to injustice in the world. I still hate everything about Boston 24 years later.
Borg - McEnroe, 1980 Wimbledon Once again, my guy loses, but I'm still awestruck. Perhaps the bitter the taste the sweeter the sin. (btw, I think that if I didn't try to keep the list diverse, the top 10 events in terms of sheer gut-wrenching drama might all be tennis. This is probably attributable to the fact that you're never dead in tennis if you just win the next point.)
Michael Carbajal v Humberto Gonzalez #1 See this fight.
The totality of the 1986 baseball playoffs and World Series I actually disliked baseball back then, but this brought me back.
1973 Belmont Didn't see it live, but I think I speak for everyone when I say that I get chills every time I see/hear even 5 seconds of this "race."
Super Bowl XXXIV Sometimes Goliath wins. barely.
1978 World Chess Championship I wish the non-chessplaying sports fans could appreciate this as much as I do. Truly incredible. And it was far from the best chess ever played in a WCC. Rather than waste two spots on stuff people might not understand is sport, I'll also mention the 4th game of the 1993 World Scrabble Championship as unbelievable. Many parallels with the 86 World Series. If I was a really good sports writer, I might be able to convey the drama better, but I'm not.
Holyfield - Dokes This was summer of 89 while Holyfield was still ascending so it probably wasn't seen widely. Still, he went toe to toe with Dokes and showed what a badass he could be.
1995 MNF Bears v Dolphins Fitting that the only way the Bears got stopped that year was in a game that featured a ball bouncing off the intended receiver's helmet to somebody else.
1988 NBA finals Game 6: Isiah couldn't fuc*ing walk on the court after halftime yet poured in 25 in the 3rd quarter. Looks a little overwrought on paper, but you had to see it to appreciate it. Imagine Kerri Strug trying to nail that landing 20 times in a row with 5 guys trying to stop her and you can get a feel for what a real heroic performance is.
Can you give us some insight about the scrabble match?
Players, key words etc?
Came late to this thread. I was actually going to post about the 1986 Baseball Playoffs but instead I'll just agree with you 100%. My favorite was the NLCS game 6.
So, you hate Boston, well, don't ever come here again, or Pedro will step up to you like he does to anyone else he brushed off the plate.
heh, I actually like Pedro a little, but of course next time will be the first time...
John Wooden coaching yet another national champion in his final game coaching UCLA in 1975 the year after Jamal Wilkes and Bill Walton graduated (both would play on future NBA Championship TEAMS, Wilkes in his rookie season). Wooden had announced his retirement in the middle of the season with a team that nobody expected to get very far let alone win the NCAA title. The Bruins did it with Rich Washington, Pete Trgovich, David Myers (a legitimate NBA player), Ralph Drollinger, Marques Johnson (another legitimate NBA player),etc. An unbelievable way for arguably the greatest coach to leave the game on top.
The 1968-69 New York Jets upsetting the heavily favored Baltimore Colts in the Super Bowl. The Colts had earned a reputation an invincible team after knocking off a weak Cleveland Browns team 34-0 in the NFL championship game. A lot of people had the Jets team figured wrong.
The 1969-71 Kansas City Chiefs destroying another heavily favored NFL team, the Minnesota Vikings. Many said that the Jets victory a year previous was a fluke and the AFL wasn’t as good as the NFL. This game erased that misconception forever. Ironically the Vikings had earned their “invincible” reputation by drubbing a weak Cleveland Browns team in the NFL championship game. You’d think that some people would have learned a lesson after what happened in the previous year with the Colts.
The 1972-73 Miami Dolphins undefeated championship team beating the Redskins in the Super Bowl. As the years go by this feat grows in stature and I do not think it will happen again.
The first Clay-Liston fight. Sonny Liston was supposed to be “unbeatable.” Many people thought that that the big mouth youngster named Cassius Clay would get his clock cleaned in Miami in 1964. Didn’t happen that way and Clay became the champion on a TKO.
Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls winning their first NBA championship. There had never been a team that had the leading scorer and had also won the championship. It seems silly now but many doubted whether a Jordan led team could do this at the time.
The 1969 New York Mets winning the World Series over the heavily favored Baltimore Orioles. The Mets came from nowhere and had been the laughing stock of baseball up to that season. What a year for the Shea Stadium faithful.
USA victory over the Soviet Union in the semi-finals of the 1980 Winter Olympics Hockey competition.
Mark McGwire hitting 70 home runs and Sammy Sosa hitting 66 home runs in 1998. They both put on a great show and shattered the existing single season home run record in the process.
All the great battles that the Lakers led by Magic and the Celtics led by Bird had in the 80’s vying for the NBA championship.
All of the great 49er championship teams with all the great 49er players. What a run this organization had.
This one you had to see-the 1958 light-heavyweight championship fight between Archie Moore and Yvone Durell of Canada. I saw it on television then. I now have a tape of it. Of course sporting events are more exciting when you are a fan of one of the participants. I was a big fan of Archie's.
Archie was on the floor three times in the first round (no three knockdown rule then). He barely hung on and finished the round. He was in a survival mode for the next few rounds. Later in the fight he went down again, but he also knocked Durell down four times. There were eight knockdowns in the fight. They just slugged it out round after round. These two were tough. I have never seen such action. In the 11th round, Archie knocked Durell out to win the fight.
If seeing this tape would really interest you, e-mail me.
Here is a site with articles written when Archie died in 1998 http://members.tripod.com/~BAWLI/bawli7.html
The Triple Crown Series between Affirmed and Alydar.
In no particular order:
Tyson - Douglas
1985 Villanova over Georgetown in NCAA Final
1983 NC STATE beating Phi Slamma Jamma (Houston)
1986 MLB WS Game 6 Buckner's Demise
1976 MLB WS Game 6 Fisk heroics
1973 Secretariat's dominance
Borg/McEnroe Wimbledon final (18-16 4th set tiebreaker)(Don't remember the year)
1986 MLB ALCS Game 5 Boston beats California scoring 4 in the 9th to take the lead and scoring again in the 11th to win. Were down 3-1 in series at the time.
Scott Norwood wide right. This should be on any gambler's list.
A few that haven't been mentioned:
Jean-Claude Killy's 3 golds at the '68 Olympics. (He won all three alpine skiing events. I haven't skied in some years but know that the difference between slalom and downhill is enough to make that quite extraordinary.)
Mark Spitz' 7 in '72.
Bob Beaman's (then) other-worldly long jump in Mexico City.
Ali vs Foreman.
I've gotta go with:
1. Thrilla in Manilla 2. Secreteriat by 31 lengths 3. Michael Jordan, '87 finals, 38 points with the flu. 4. 1936 Olympics. Jesse Owens tells Hitler where he can put his master race theory. 5. Tiger wins the masters by 12 strokes. 6. '86 World Series, game 6 7. Joe Louis vs. Max Schmelling II. 2 minutes of good vs. evil, and good whoops ass. 8. '99, Lance beats cancer and the Tour de France 9. Kerri Strug sticks the landing 10. Don Larsen's perfect game.
Of course, there are hundreds more. These are just the first to pop in there.
Robert Downey, Jr.(all time, undefeated, undisputed champ)
what the hell is wrong with rob jr.? sure he likes the coke and whatever else he can get his hands on, but he is a very talented actor and never hurts anyone but himself. The only thing that makes Rob Downey a problem are the stupid ass drug laws.
Go easy on Robert. He is war prisoner of THE WAR ON DRUGS and should be martryed as the posterboy for the legalization of drugs.
Good call on Madonna. Here are a few others:
Hillary Clinton. Backstreet Boys. Britney Spears. John Malckovich. Alan Dershowitz. Oprah Winfrey. Barbara Streisand. The Rolling Stones and all other Dinosaur Rock Bands except Bob Dylan who always sounded old anyway. John Grisham. Tom Hanks. Alec Baldwin. WWF. William Shatner. Helen Hunt. Gwenyth Paltrow. The artist formerly known as Prince. N'SYNC. Regis Philbin.
Those are just off the top of my head, if I think about it some more I can probably come up with hundreds more.
Incidentally, do you not like some of these people because of their political viewpoints (liberal)? Even people who don't think Tom Hanks is as great an actor as he is made out to be wouldn't want him to necessarily "go away". Ditto John Malkovich. They are both at least decent actors.
I dislike these guys for their ubiquity and their acting "type". I didn't even know Malk was a liberal. By type, I mean the following:
Tom Hanks- everyman ordinary affable likable guy who may succeed by accident or in spie of himself. poor man's Jimmy Stewart.
John Malkovich- naturalist antihero. at his best playing the villian or letch. it's way overrated to play the bad guy or cripple. it is much more difficult to play the heroic man without looking ridiculous.
Here are some actors/roles that demonstrate the aesthetic that I find more appealing, and (would argue) more difficult to pull off. Some old and some new.
Gary Cooper in High Noon. Sean Connery in Dr. No. Alan Ladd in Shane. Gerard Depardieu in Cyrano de Bergerac. Russell Crowe in Gladiator. Richard Gere in Pretty Woman. Gary Cooper in Pride of the Yankees. Kevin Costner in the Untouchables. George Clooney in the Perfect Storm. Mel Gibson in Braveheart. Harrison Ford in Star Wars.
While both of these guys may usually play a certain "type" of role, you have to admit they are both at least decent at it. When I think of celebrities who I want to go away forever, I think more along the line of people who get press coverage for consistently doing dumb things. Like Dennis Rodman.
George Clooney!? That guy is the worst of all the big name actors. He's nothing but wooden.
I like most of your list. I can't believe you forgot Cher on your first cut. A good pick I agree with is John Grisham for his writing and his politics. Scott Turow is miles ahead of him as a writer of legal thrillers (just as John Le Carre is miles ahead of Roger Ludlum in spy novels).
However, I like Tom Hanks, even if he is part of the Hollywood left. He keeps his private life private, seems like a normal guy, and usually makes good, unpretentious movies (although I was no fan of Forest Gump). And at least he is a major mover behind the World War II Memorial, which is a worthy cause if there ever was one.
The original Cher has gone away. It is probably the woman who used to be Cher that you are referring to. She is high on my list.
KEEPERS Faith Hill
Should have been number 1 by a mile on my list. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the one you miss.
Don't like your list above, but this guy has to go.
Charmaine and I went to see The Grinch. We walked out after 30 minutes.
"We walked out after 30 minutes."
Mason Malmuth walking out of a movie after 30 minutes... Hmmm... that may just be a good reason to see it.
He's a good actor, I just want a media blackout, esp. the sob stories and "will Hollywood give him another chance" crap.
My opinion of The Failure On Drugs has been explicitly stated many times here, among other places.
Lets see, he gets invites from numerous friends and family to spend Thanksgiving with them but insted goes on a drug binge with losers and lowlifes. Yeah, he's a real class act allright...
like its any of your freakin business what he does. There are lots of people who would rather get loaded than deal with their family.
Its morons like you that elevate lowlifes like him to celebrity status. Go take another hit off your crack pipe...
hey asswipe, I've got me a real job so I don't smoke crack no more. that shit is way too ghetto for me. I'll take the powder any day.
Oh yeah. Why can't he play poker and surf the internet like the rest of us?
A week ago I go to my local cardroom after a months absence due to the annoying behavior of the players. While I'm usually a quiet player I decide to adopt a annoying player profile and try to out talk the table. I kept up a steady stream of banter mixed with taunts and drivel.I hoped this would embarass the other players to behave better. I keep this up for 6hrs, my longest session of the year, the cards run over me and I book my biggest win of the yr. 5+racks in 4-8. We finish the game 4 handed. I show up yesterday expecting ridicule for my boorish behavior. Wrong, they liked it. Where did I go wrong?
You were trying to be an A##hole? Ed, with enemies like you who needs friends?
They liked it cuz now you're just another one of the guys. When are you gonna start golfing?
I think they started to identify with you.
"Where did I go wrong?"
You didn't take 6+racks of the ~!@#$%^&&&&&*()_++)((*&&*()_!@#$%^^^^%$#@!
identification with the aggressor
I decide to adopt a annoying player profile and try to out talk the table.
Be happy you won. Everyone can't be annoying. That profile is best left to the experts.
SPM,...able to out talk a talk show host on any given day...
By behaving and acting the way they did, you were in essence mirroring, pacing, and matching their behaviors. As a result, you got rapport.
one of the rocket scientist/brain surgeons that I work with gave me the low down on NLP. It's actually just a very sophisticated method of picking up chicks and getting laid. you have to use speech cadence and subliminal phrases to make it work. For example, you might say a woman "...and do you find yourself coming--again and again-- to the same conclusion?" Vince Lepore or Rick Nebiolo would probably know how effective this really is.
I think I'll just stick to my regular tactic of buying them lots of drinks that come with umbrellas.
As of 1997, there were at least 150 known NLP techniques (there are at least more than 250 today). Speed seduction, persuasion engineering, and Ericksonian rapport are just three of these.
99.9% of the other techniques are techniques for personal growth not techniques for manipulating people. True, there are immoral NLP experts running around that teach men how to "get laid with 5 married women in less than 5 hours". But these are by far in the miniscule minority.
99% of all NLPers are moral people who always preach ecology, morals, and ethics. They use NLP in areas like sports, sales, management, therapy, charity, and many other places.
Its been many years since I gave NLP much thought. I read some books in the early 80's I believe, by Bandler and Grinder. I remember I was uncomfortable with the potential for misuse. The potential for use in cults also crossed my mind. I just recently purchased some of the recent literature to refresh my memory(which is like a sieve). It would seem like sales and NLP would be aperfect match(manipulation?).
I couldn't even get to Ten that were worthy. It has been a lean year. In no particular order:
Radiohead- Kid A
PJ Harvey- Stories from the City
Neil Young- Silver and Gold
Johnny Cash- American III: Solitary Man
Various Artists- Badlands, a Tribute to Bruce Sprigsteen's Nebraska
Teenage Fanclub- Howdy!
Shelby Lynne- This is Shelby Lynne
Bonus Selections Below:
Stiffs of the Year- Wallflowers (Breach); Steve Earle Transcendental Blues; Smashing Pumpkins Machina; and Veruca Salt Resolver. By Stiffs I mean albums for which I had high hopes but was sorely disappointed. These four were still a lot better than most but didn't cover the spread.
Best Pop Singles- Macy Gray "I Try"; Kid Rock "Only God Knows Why"; Creed "Higher"
Who Woulda Thunk It- Radiohead and Beck both seemed to be destined for the One Hit Wonder (and novelty hits at that) bin with "Loser" and Creep and instead they proved to be the most critically acclaimed popular acts of the late 1990s.
I must be getting old. Haven't heard of any on list except Johnny Cash and Neil Young( didn't know he was still active). Had all Neil Young albums in 60's.
RAtM would seem to supersede those mentioned in the final paragraph.
it was a lean year indeed.
I would add Eminem's album to the top ten list.
go ahead, make fun of me. it's really a pretty good album if rap doesn't make you puke and you can deal with the violent lyrics. I can't really comment on your list since I havn't heard ANY of the cd's.
On Beck and Radiohead -- Anyone who listened to Mellow Gold realized that Beck had some serious talent. unfortunately his subsequent releases do not approach Mellow Gold in quality. As for Radiohead, I've never been a big fan. Plenty of people seem to like them though.
I agree with the statements about Eminem. While I don't own the album, it's quite powerful, and his talent can't be denied. People that dismiss him usually use weak arguments, dismissing rap in general rather than the Eminem's music.
I feel that Radiohead is the best rock band right now. If people haven't heard 1997's OK COMPUTER, I would suggest to anyone that they listen to the entire album a few times. It is nothing short of a masterpiece. From the first to last note, everything fits perfectly. At one time, I think I only listened to that album for about 8 months. It's that good. With KID A, they've put together a more experimental album, breaking away from the traditional rock formula. It only had one single because only one song was radio-friendly. "Morning bells," the ninth track, climaxes well before the song is half-over. "National Anthem," the third track, starts with a powerful, repetitive bass line, and ends in a way that one critic described as "a New Orleans brass band crashing into a wall." Most fans were worried that an OK COMPUTER follow-up would be sub-par, and that maybe they should go out on top. While they probably won't match the impact of OK Computer, they will only put out albums that are top notch, such as Kid A.
Eminem is a great artist. He's very sensitive to what goes down and what goes around. And his spiel is no more violent than a burger commercial. It's as easy to find the violence in the burger commercial as to find the despair in "I Am What I Am".
And I continue to be amazed by conservatives who like rock music! Michael 7's posts have struck me as coming from the extreme right wing of the spectrum - but still ..it's P.J.Harvey and Radiohead for 'im! I guess, "music is the great equalizer" as Robert Christgau says.
Speaking of Christgau and lists, you folks might want to check out how the Rock critics of the West have voted in 2000. (You probably already know.)
Thanks for the link; besides Waits, Thompson, and Prine, who are the rest of those people?
Couldn't you also recognize Santana and Randy Newman ?
And if you were to click on "The Next 40", you'd see Paul McCartney, Taj Mahal (not that Taj), Tom Petty , Los Lobos, The Pretenders (!), The Clash (!!), Metallica (6 critics voted for them), and George Jones.
These folks are from out parts, as well, John.
Actually, you ferreted out the other two, but I could only hold three in my fading memory. Taj Mahal is still around!
right behind Dolly Parton?
This album should be in the top 2. And how is it that an album that is being called a masterpiece by everyone couldn't crack the top 80? Because the songs are rich and listenable? Because the band is 20 years old? bullspit. As badger would put it, "I'm right; you're wrong." Oh wait, didn't he used to be a music critic...
Are you sure that list is from 2000. I dig the Pavement and Wilco releases, but I could swear they came out in 1999. AN I believ the Slim Shady album also came out this year and the Mathers album was 2000. And how could any rock critic's list not inlclude Kid A?
ps. I am not from the extreme right wing of the spectrum. I am more of a libertarian, but since I have to choose between the major parties, I'll vote for the one that represents lower taxes and less regulation every time.
You're right. This list must be a 1999 year in review.
I looked again and it seems you're right, they haven't put up a list for 2000. Looks like the 1999 list.
I guess I don't follow things so closely anymore to be able to tell that without re-checking.
Eminem may be very good. Time will tell. Nice to see that race is not always a factor. Evidence by Eminem as this years' #1 Rapper and Tiger Woods as this years' athelete (golf no less). We are moving in the right (or left) direction.
Pink Floyds........ DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.... match that!!!
Absolute very best release of the year....... NOFX- Pump up the Valuum (I agree the Rancid kicks too though) I would list more but nobody would know who the bands are.
Goat, you surprise me. I wouldn't think that a true punk rocker like yourself would like NOFX. personally I think they play some pretty good tunes but I'm kind of a conformist. I don't have Pump up the Valuum(?) but Heavy petting Zoo is one of my favorite CDs. got any recomendations for kick ass punk records I should check out?
Dude, NOFX is a punk as can be. Fat Mike (lead vocals) is so punk and lives for the scene more then anybody else. They have had numerous opportunities to get huge through MTV and radio but they refuse to do it. If you want to see firsthand all about NOFX you should check out Nofx.org and read the Q&A section. I rarely recommend any sites to anybody about anything but this site is the best. As we all know, many bands become washed up after they have been together a long time but this is not the case w/NOFX, they just keep on getting better and better all the time. Pump up the Valuum (yes that's how they spelled it)is their finest release to date, I was totally surprised how good it was. If you want to check out some other CD's here is an excellent list: the best punk band besides NOFX (remember I am referring to the new wave of punk that often has very talented musicians- not just a bunch of sloppy songs about anarchy and shit like that) is a band called Adhesive. They are from Sweden and have no distributon in this country so the only way to get those CD's is to order them from some foreign online store, but they are well worth the extra effort and price. Adhesive is so good that it is almost unbelievable- if you would like to hear a sample song by them I would suggest going to napster and looking for a song called "Haven". They do have a couple shitty songs so if for some reason you hear one that sucks dont give up, try another song pr two and you will see that these guys truly rock. Some other suggestions: Backside: No Today (really fast aggressive punk, probably have to go online to find it, try www.Backside.org) The Queers: 1.Love songs for the Retarded
2.Punk Rock Confidential
(really poppy and catchy punk lots of happy sounding songs with funny lyrics) Adolescents: Adolescents (old school punk but these guys were great) Hi Standard: Making the Road (one of the tightest and technically strong punk bands, they are from Japan and I was luck enough to see them live once) Dynamite Boy: Finders Keepers (more poppy melodic punk that has an older Green Day influence) Lillingtons: Death by Television (this CD is one of the best I have ever heard, you will have to look online to find it)
If you want more suggestions let me know. By the way, the easiest way to find these CD's is probably to go to PunkBands.com and link your way to places that will sell the CD's. Okay later, Kris
Punk is hard to define, but here are some indie label CDs from the recent past that kick ass. All have been called punk by someone or another.
Botch--American Nervoso [Hydra Head]
My personal favorite CD right now. These Tacoma, WA kids play ferocious metal/hardcore with great time changes, incredible drumming and tons of energy.
Deadguy--Screaming with the Deadguy Quintet [Victory]
Great melodic hardcore EP. Its only 5 songs, but all but one are standouts.
Karp--Self Titled LP [K Records]
The best metal/punk band you never heard of. Their "Bacon Industry" is in my top 5 favorite songs of all time. Loud and fast, with awesome vocals.
The Briefs--Hit after Hit [Dirtnap]
My pick for best album of 2000. These guys update the Ramones/Damned/Rezillos for the '00s. Its fast and funny old school punk with choruses like "I got a new pair of shoes and I'm better than you" and "Kill Bob Seeger right now!".
I second Goat on The Queers, and would add Buzzcocks, Damned, Stiff Little Fingers, Naked Raygun, and Screaching Weasel to any list of must have punk artists. That list could go on and on, of course, and I would love to see others suggestions.
Briefs are cool, I need to pick up that CD, I saw them live but never saw when their CD came out. One band I forgot to mention is HomeGrown, These guys put out a very diverse variety of songs on all their CD's and I would suggest getting their 5 CD's more then any other band. They have 2 full lengths and 3 short ones. All their stuff is heavily punk influenced and their earlier stuff has ska influence in the vain of Operation Ivy. Also any respectable punk collection should have the Misfits collection I and II. Also, I hope people don't confuse punk with that commercialized metal/rap/hardcore shit like Korn and Limp Bizkit. That stuff is NOT punk. I do like Black Metal and a little Death Metal, but you will never see this stuff on MTV for a few reasons: 1)this stuff is just too damn evil, 2)true underground metal outfits would never ever sell out, 3) it would make these pansy bands like Marilyn Manson look like the fetid piles of crap that they really are
Oh yeah, if you want to check out a band with the best drummer I have EVER seen live check out a CD by the band Nile (I would suggest the CD titled: Black Seeds of Vengeance) When I saw this guy playing live I couldn't believe that any human could play as fast & complex yet super tight as he does.
Misfits is a given, of course. I like some of the recent tributes too, the Deadguy version of Horror Business is incredible.
I love Metal too--Deicide, Bolt Thrower, The Haunted, At The Gates, Entombed, Cradle of Filth, Slayer, Defleshed, etc, etc.. Don't know much about Black Metal in particular, but have been dabbling in Swedish bands a bit lately. I will look for Nile on Napster, and The Adhesives too. I had never heard of The Adhesives until your post, but saw a bumper sticker of theirs today.
I love learning about new bands.
I think "The Adhesives" is some other band. The band I was referring to is just called Adhesive. If "The Adhesives" suck remember i didn't suggest them:-) Just out of curiosity do you like the new Misfits?
Cradle of Filth is considered black metal in general, I only have one of their CD's but they are kind of nifty. A couple of the Nile songs can be found on Mp3.com also. A couple really kick ass swediesh black metal bands are Dark Funeral and Marduk. Pure speed and evil fury from both of these metal outfits. If you want to check out a few songs, these ones are among their best..... Dark Funeral: 1. Vobiscum Satanas 2. Open the Gates 3. Satan's Mayhem 4. Bloodfrozen Marduk: 1. Panzer Division Marduk 2. Burn my Coffin 3. Darkness Breeds Immortality 4. 502
Okay happy hunting for this stuff, and remember its "Adhesive" NOT "the Adhesives" Later, Kris
You could only muster ten, Michael, because you're a bitter old republican. That said, you probably found eight more selections than I could have come up with.
However, I must add that no song by Creed should ever make anyone's list. I would probably add Buckcherry's "Lit" to your list of singles, but overall I must concur that it's been a lean year indeed.
Tiny Tim, hands down!!!! please turn that f***** off
My friends and I used to go to this place to eat on Friday nites around 9pm. The place was pretty crowded and we decided to max out the juke box with coins playing "Tip Toe Thru The Tulips" repeatedly for $5 or whatever as we were leaving. We went back the next nite and the juke box was unplugged with the TTTTT loaded. We ask what happened and someone says "That F&*())$ TT song TTTTT's kept playing over and over!! We laugh about it still today and that was 25 years ago!!!!
Every genre has its b and c bands. If ACDC was an "A" band, Motley Crue is a "B" band, and Poison and Warrant are "C" bands - bands that follow the followers. If Pearl Jam and Nirvana are "A" bands, then the Stone Temple Pilots are a "B" band (although I rather enjoy their music, they just weren't on top of things), and Creed is a f***in "D-" band. They just bite!! (and they're derivitive to the point of no return!!!)
I would agree that Creed bites to no end. But I still think "Higher" was one of the better pop hits of the year. Not all songs that are popular must suck.
I would argue that all rock bands are derivative. There is no way you can call Nirvana an "A" band by your definition. Kert Cobain himself proudly aacknowledged that they lifted their trademark soft melodic-loud shouting transition from Pixies amd most of their guitar licks from Black Sabbath. And Pearl Jam are Nirvana lite.
Slow at work today as everone is on vacation. Here are some lists that I am thinking of, but would like others too start.
1. Top 10 things I didn't get for Xmas; 2. Top ten hotties who you feel guilty for thinking of as hotties; 3. Top ten stocks I should have sold earlier; 4. Top 10 german words that sound obscene but really aren't; 5. Top 10 bad beats I took; 6. Top 10 American companies that were formerly great but hit the wall recently; 7. Top 10 new jobs for Bill Clinton; 8. Top 10 stupid comments about Paradise Poker; 9. Top 10 lies told by Algore; 10. Top 10 lies told by other politicians
Why did I put "Top 10" before every list on the lis when you guys would have gotten the picture?
Great list, except I like Miller away from MNF.
So do I, Brett. But get him off football.
Sign of the Year at a sporting event: somebody at a MNF game holds up:
Dennis: Eschew Obfuscation!
Does using poker celebrities to host tourn events really increase the draw?
I never went to a tournament because of a "host" Fort McDowell in Arizona tried to use Johnny Chan to gen up interest - I don't think it did much.
Mike, they started up that Johnny Chan thing again. Joy Yan (you might remember her, there's a picture in the most recent Poker Digest) won the tournament, but lost to Johnny. They are going to have it again on Jan 20. Turnout was only slightly more than normal.
No. Because most poker players think they are better than the poker celebrity even if it's Doyle Brunson. There are no star struck fans in poker.
thinking about going to Reno for new years weekend. any advice on good place to stay and good hold'em action would be much appreciated.
Really nice and out of town good card room otherwise the Peppermill is good in town BobbyV runs a good card room too - ElDorado had a nice baby NL HE game better get your name on the list early.
..I guess only Canadians are going to post on this topic but here's my Top 10 list of the most memorable hockey goals be it for its importance or its sheer beauty:
1. Paul Henderson in the 1972 Canada-Russia tilt (what else?)
2. Mario Lemieux in the 1987 Canada Cup to win the third game 6-5.
3. Bobby Orr to win the cup in OT against St. Louis in 1970.
4. Gretzky's shorthanded overtime marker against the Flames in Game 2 of the 1988 Smythe Division final which in essence was the Stanley Cup Finals. Earliest Cup winning goal ever scored.
5. Guy Lafleur's power play goal with a minute to go in Game 7 of the 1979 semifinals against the Bruins. That goal cost Don Cherry his coaching job. Of course, Lambert went on to score in overtime and the Habs went on to beat the Rangers in the finals.
6. Mark Messier in game 3 of the 1984 finals against the Islanders. The turning point of that series and in retrospect the goal that created the Oilers' dynasty.
7. Steve Smith's own goal in 1986 against the Flames.
8. Lemieux's goal against the Minnesota North Stars in the 1991 Finals. Prettiest playoff goal I have ever seen. That defenceman (whose name I forget) is still looking for his jock strap.
9. Darryl Sittler's OT goal against Dzurilla (?) and the Czechs in the 1976 Canada Cup.
10. Gretzky's empty netter against the Flyers to give him 5 for the night and 50 goals in 39 games (IMO, the toughest Gretzky record to break).
Bobby Hull is probably the best to ever lace up skates - sorry Gordie fans - did you ever see him skate up one side split defenders, like bowling pins, fake one way and shoot another. A master.
He was playing when the NHL was only 8 teams and not diluted like todays game. This is when men were men.
Your slip is showing, Mike. I have no doubt Bobby scored a ton of great goals. I'm more than old enough to have watched many of them on Hockey Night in Canada on Saturday nights.
But Bobby played when the NHL was 6 teams, not 8. Expansion doubled the NHL to 12 teams.
By the way, some of his best work was in the old WHA with the Winnipeg Jets. Glen Sather freely admits he built the Oilers style of play based on the Jets freeflow Euro look. Anders Hedberg, Ulf Nilsson, and Hull were easily the best line in hockey, but the Harold Ballards and his ilk in the NHL did everything in their power to discredit the WHA. Leaving Hull off the 1972 Canada Cup team just because he had signed in the WHA was criminal.
I believe Hull was the best to play the game - anyone disagree.
Now the other 4 or 5 were good but no one dominated the game when it was a game like this guy - the Golden Jet was great. To bad he liked to beat his wife - that puts him in the crapper as far as I'm concerned.
Orr was a great one of the best ever player but not in Hulls class IMHO.
Remember thses guys played in a tiny NHL 6 teams can you imagine how good you had to be just to make a pro team - just the cream of the cream made it and he was the best. Gordie Howe is another in a class by him self there is a great one every 10 years or so just like most sports and for that matter women in a mans life. :-)
The Great One's greatest score was marrying Janet Jones. Wow!!
Nah, I guess Im over that by now..
Anyways, for greatest goals scored, there are a couple that weren't mentioned:
1. Denis Savard against the Oilers near the end of the period in some meaningless regular season game. He brought the puck in over the line, then skated through our whole team twice, throwing in the patented Savardian spinorama, before scoring. Replayed ad nauseum during his HoF induction.
2. Doug Weight against the Calgary Flames during the regular season last year. He somehow just splits the defense, then starts skating sideways and then dekes the goalie out of his mask before putting it in the net. Goal featured in the opening sequence to EA sports NHL 2000.
I remember the Savard goal. He and Gilbert Perreault were about the two most dangerous players when either had a 1 on 3 rush:)
I don't remember the specifics of the Weight goal although I know which one you are talking about. Funny thing about hockey. I have vivid memories of so many goals from the 70's and 80's but hardly any from the 90's. I tell ya...the game ain't what it used to be.
Terrible movie, but whatta hottie. And she still looks good. Look for their daughter in another 5-6 years; she's a real cutie, ~12 y.o.
Speaking of which, here's a TT List for ya:
"Celebrities With Cute Daughters"
1. Donald Trump
2. Mick Jagger
3. Olivia Newton-John
4. Wayne Gretzky
1. Al Gore 2. Steven Tyler 3. Whoever the heck Alyssa Milano's parents are!
Orr's was the greatest! I know where you can get autographed copies of that shot if anyone's interested. They're not cheap. But only 250 exist.
Great list, skp. Let's clog up the forum for a while with Canadiana. We've had to put up with enough Bush/Gore crap for months. It's our turn.
Couple of honorable mention Oiler goals. I got to see enough of 'em.
1. Esa Tikkanen's snapper over Vernon's shoulder in OT of Game 7 in Calgary in 1990. Paved the way for Cup #5.
2. IMO, the best Oiler team was the year they picked up Kent Nilson for the playoff drive. Nice 2nd line: Messier, Anderson, and Nilson. Mark kept Kent motivated with The Look and they scored on a 3-way passing play in 1 game at Northlands at top speed that left Mess with an open net that brought the house down.
3. Gretz showed off that little soccer-style move for the first time one night when he just flips the puck past the defender and then cuts by him to pick it up. Put Rob Ramage (not a bad D-man by any means) totally out to lunch, went in and deked. Stunned silence at first; then bedlam. I had never seen that move before and Gretz even admitted in the postgame interview that he wasn't out to embarass Ramage; he had just been fooling around with the move in practice and wanted to try it out in a game. Now you see Bantams doing it.
I remember Tik's snapper over Vernon but I believe that was in 1991 - the year the Oilers went on to lose to the North stars in the Conference finals. Lemieux and his gang then bet the Stars to win the cup. Tik's winner in overtime of game 7 came after the Oilers fell behind 3-0 to those hated Flames...in Cowtown no less.
Vernon has lost a few of those game 7 OTs - remember Bure in 1994. That year, the Canucks scored in 3 straight overtimes to come back to win the series 4-3 after falling behind 3-1. If memory serves right, Courtnall scored in Game 5 and I believe Gus Adams in Game 6. Krushelnyski also put one past Vernon in overtime of game 6 of the Kings-Flames series in 1990..boy, I loved that one.
This had to hurt you Canadians up there to see this johnny come lately expansion team upset favorites in the playoffs...not to mention Detroit being Knocked out, along with St. Louis last year... Beware S.J. Sharks team to be reckon with this year!!!
I would go with Darren McCarty's goal in the 1997 Stanley cup finals, when he shook down Ninimaa (sp?) and blew it past-- I think-- Garth Snow.
But, as a Yank, I must confess to never having seen most of the goals on your list.
If u are going to pick a Stanley Cup goal scored against my Flyers u gotta go with Glenn Anderson in 87. It's my first hockey memory..
Speaking of Flyers... how about Bobby Clarkes OT goal against the Broons to give the Flyers a split in Boston when they went on to be the first expansion team to win Lord Stanley?
What is your question sir...
Speak up I can take if...
I agree that we need more Canadiana on the forum.
So I put on my toque and walked through the snow to Tim Horton's, eh, and I read about the stupid election. I had watched Royal Canadian Air Farce the previous night and they had really let "Joe Who?" have it, eh. That was funnier than Grape's last tie!
Anyways, Jean Cretin is babbling off again about the evils of the Alliance. It's enough to make me not eat my back bacon. Ah well...that's life, eh.
David "My name is Joe..and I am...well you know" Ottosen
I'm glad to hear our little brothers to the north are alive and kicking.
yeh more canadian is ok with me as i even bought a canadian pickup truck a few years back.eh. i love canada and do spend my loonies up there when i can. i only live 60 miles south. ill like it even better when b.c. separates from the rest:)
What is a canadian pick up truck? Oh I get it! Tell me, don't you have to say mush to make them huskies pull that thing? I can just see you, Z man, trekin across Montana in search of them thar Bears with your team of dogs pullin that pick up. What a wonderful sight that would be, indeed.
ploce (PLO-see) noun
The repetition of a word or phrase to gain special emphasis or to indicate an extension of meaning, as in Ex. 3:14: "I am that I am.'
Man now this is a heck of a word. I'm having trouble using ploce with regards to poker. I am going to give it a go, though.
Poker players often recite a ploce (usually under their breath) such as "Thank you, Jesus, THANK YOU JESUS!" to describe their elation when making a two outer to win a huge pot.
I thought Popeye said that.
Ploce is a port in Croatia.
The only link I can imagine between Ploce and poker is that Croatia celebrates every August 15th, Our Lady of Assumptions...
Dat's inneresting cause my road game is PLO. It's PLO, see?
Is there anyone besides yourself that you really hate? I hope so. It would be a shame to waste all that venom on one person.
no anti b.c. sentiment at all. i could easily move and live my life there. i prefer nelson b.c. the old talk was of western canada separating from the east because of opposite thinking and opposite geography. maybe good idea. same with u.s.- maybe. but here maybe, north south again.
1. Brett Hulls Stanley cup winner, foot clearly in the crease.
2. Frank Mahovolich's 500th goal. He meant to shoot high, puck trickled of heel of stick.
Any goal scored by a swede!
Shall I mention the name Steve Smith?
Shoulda been 5 straight..
ephemeral • \ih-FEM-uh-rul or ih-FEEM-uh-rul\ • (adjective) 1 : lasting one day only *2 : lasting a very short time
Example sentence: Spring and all its blossoms are ephemeral, here but a moment and then gone.
Rushes in Poker, just like "Peanuts'" winning streaks are mostly ephemeral in duration.
Webster's dictionary has some words missing, I would be happy to give you a recommendation.
SPM,...recognizing talent when it appears...
Happy New Year!
Winning streaks for me are F'ing unreal.
The holiday season took it's toll on the SPM. Our celebrity was unable to play more than 17 games in December, the average is about 15 games per month. Time was running short and the poker results needed some padding. However, Lady Luck and the Poker god were out of town. They were busy helping other players from the West Coast, they don't have snow days out West.
The year was a mix of poker curses, and playing from the boarder of the Valley of Patience (VoP) and Any2card Town (A2CT). The year started out with a bang, winning the first game of the new year, and then free falling for 54 games. Near financial ruination the SPM was under a tremendous strain, each game became a rush of fear, had the SPM lost the ability to maintain some meager edge in the game?
Filled with more bad beat stories than Carter has little liver pills, the SPM was at the cross roads of Fact and Fiction. Had the SPM been playing a winning game, surrounded by bad beats or was he on full tilt? Sometimes in the heat of battle things get cloudy. He searched for an answer to his dilemma, he re-read the gospels of the Saints, Brunson, Sklansky, Malmuth, Caro, Zee and Petriv. He read all the poker rags, looking, searching, he left no ROCK un-turned.
54 games and day light seemed an impossible task, a dark cloud surrounded the SPM and he was lost in the darkness. But a voice spoke to him in a calm clear tone. It was the voice of the tightest player in the Mid West, the Artful Dodger. He told the SPM when things are going badly step down, return to the limits of your past, and find your zone of awareness.
But, but, but, I know I can beat the game, thought the SPM. Return to your past limits, find your zone of awareness the voice persisted. Reluctantly the SPM, returned to his old playing grounds. The landscape hadn't changed much, all the residents form A2CT were there. The game was no foldem hold'em and the SPM was the mark. The A2CT gang raped and pillaged the SPM's weekly pay check, there was no longer any bank roll, the SPM was on a quest to get even.
54 games latter the SPM was even. He had played from the VoP, had left the games with small wins and refused to return to his beloved A2CT. The Valley had pointed the SPM to all the beautiful flowers called, Winning. He returned to the higher medium steaks game, and began to replenish his beaten and battered bankroll.
Now the last game of the year East Chicago, Indiana, Harrah's, the Mid West's largest poker room. The year 2000, game 180, in 1999 the SPM had played 198 games was he slowing down? This game was going to be played from deep inside the VoP, no boarder playing this day, the year end results were at steak. No troubled hands from early position, only in late position and then only when suited and no raise. Tight & Aggressive! The first hand A10off, early position muck it. The SPM was on a mission. The first playable hand QQ, raise, shot down by a 96 off who spiked a 9 on the river for two pair. AK beaten with a baseball bat every time. The only hands that won were the ones that he mucked, like 72off=full house, no one there to collect. After 10 hours of play the SPM ended the year with a loose. The good news is he doubled his yearly win over 1999. So what does this all mean, it looks like I'll be keeping my day job as Basement Man, maybe I can turn pro in 2002.
SPM,...always hopeful, respectfully tolerant of the rights of all players to play any 2 cards, and still a recreational gambler...
well that means you have all the bankroll you started it with and not less. I can think of worse things SPM!
You are a very gifted poker writer/humorist on par with Mark Twain in my book! Maybe you should approach Card Player or Poker Digest with a little compilation of some of your work, it could add a few chips to your stack. Just a thought.
Anyways I hope your stack heads north in a steady fashion this coming year as you keep working on and improve your game.
Good luck in 2001 SPM!
Have you ever read Mark Twain?
I would like to thank all of you for your help in getting me thru this year.
My buddy JK The Cave Man, he lives in the past and refuses to inter the high-tech world of computers. He called me every morning to listen to my tales of woo, and to gave me words of incouragement. Thanks Cave Man!
To Hollywood Casino for not closing their poker room.
To the Midnight Marauder, he rasied all of my blinds and took my chips as easy as cutting butter with a hot knife. Then he encouraged me to post on 2+2, now I can't wake up or go to sleep without looking at the posts on 2+2. He never told me of the pain I would feel, when I put my heart into a post, and then return to see no one had read it. Thanks Midnight.
To Ray Zee the first famous person to ever respond to one of my posts. Thanks Ray!
To Mason Malmuth who also posted a post to the SPM.:) Two great days from two famous poker writers. Thanks Mason!
To just another egg, he defended me when a bully tried to embarrass me on 2 + 2. Thanks egg!
To the Chairman of the Board, Sucker Soocker Mike, he encouraged me to play from the VoP, then took all my chips. Thanks Mike, your nobodys sucker.
To the Professor, he challenged me to think about things I didn't want to think about. Thanks Professor!
To the Artfull Dodger, he helped me get my game back on track. Thanks Artfull!
To the hillbilly, who I have never met, but he reads and posts back to me, he understands the pain of posting without responses. Thanks hillbilly!
To Vince, the man who ran me off of 2+2 for two weeks, he has a sharp writing style, ouch. Thanks for the leather skin, Vince!
To the Rounder, the first famous poster I ever met. Thanks and I look forward to your return to the felt jungle in 2001!
To all the Players at Hollywood Casino, don't spend my money, for next year I will recall all the chips back to my stacks. Thanks for the action, I loved it!
And last, to all the poster's on 2+2. You made me laugh, think, and gave me something to do when I'm not playing hold'em. I wish you all a Happy New Year!
SPM,...defender of the right, of any player, to play any two cards, form any position...
Last week Mason concurred with something I had said earlier in a post and I was so happy I dang near yanked my computer out of the wall socket and run downstairs to show the wife!
Seriously, I know most or none of my posts are true epiphanies (there's a word for the day Vince) but I like to add my two cents upon occasion and share any thing I can with the forum as I have learned alot here and would like to return the favor if possible.
Happy New Year to all as well from me.
I bet most of us read your posts. I do for sure. But if we respond your further involvement might take you away from your far more important duty to protect the right of our opponents to play any two cards anytime from any positon. And if you abandoned your superhero responsibilities, there would be no food in the refridgerator of the typical semi-starving poker pro.
Keep up the good work SPM and Happy New Year!
Happy New Year!
I was wondering why the forum software wasn't marking new posts and saving my name and email address in the response box among other problems (like so few new posts). Maybe it is because some say this is the real Y2K since there was no year zero ;-). Anyway, Happy New Year to all!
In true Canadian fashion, I offer a meek apology.
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