Super Bowl 58: #3 Kansas City Chiefs vs #1 San Francisco 49ers (-1)

Super Bowl 58: #3 Kansas City Chiefs vs #1 San Francisco 49ers (-1)

29 January 2024 at 05:08 AM
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by natediggity

this is all wrong. Especially: "anyone with a pea-sized brain would obviously go on defense first"

I'm cool with people on the internet thinking I'm wrong. But this is a position I won't budge from forever.


Do timeouts generally benefit offense or defense more?

If OT goes to OT2 do they get another set of timeouts, or only at OT3?

Thinking being, timeouts don't seem that beneficial. If your defense is gassed, the smart play might be to use your timeouts on the defensive end to give them a break between plays.


by housenuts

Do timeouts generally benefit offense or defense more?

Didn't read it but these guys wrote an 18 page paper on it that seems to support defense



by GusJohnsonGOAT

they might've been talking about the end of the first OT and the clock, which leads to the question of why even have a clock in OT for the playoffs?

Because they change sides at the end of the first quarter of OT.


by madlex

Because they change sides at the end of the first quarter of OT.

Yeah, that's true. Obviously a much bigger deal in other playoff games since the SB is often in a dome. I'd actually prefer they didn't, so the team losing can pick the side and mitigate the impact of the coinflip unless you have a Pats Bills MNF wind game.


by GusJohnsonGOAT

Yeah, that's true. Obviously a much bigger deal in other playoff games since the SB is often in a dome. I'd actually prefer they didn't, so the team losing can pick the side and mitigate the impact of the coinflip unless you have a Pats Bills MNF wind game.

In new ot format if kicking/receiving is pretty close, wind game correct choice would be to pick side.

Edit: seems the kicking team gets to choose side. So in a windy game, winner seems best served to kick.


by housenuts

Didn't read it but these guys wrote an 18 page paper on it that seems to support defense

The Bills’ defensive TO massively helped the Chiefs in the :13 game. Of course nobody made the Bills come back out in the same formation.


Did anyone hear if the ref asked Warner if he wanted to defer, like they do at the beginning of the game? Because that would get weird. Or did he just say do you want to kick or receive?

Anyone know if they have a halftime after 2 OTs? Or do they just keep switching sides?


by suzzer99

Did anyone hear if the ref asked Warner if he wanted to defer, like they do at the beginning of the game? Because that would get weird. Or did he just say do you want to kick or receive?

Anyone know if they have a halftime after 2 OTs? Or do they just keep switching sides?



does the clock matter for anything? if not, why not just rid of it


by 72off

does the clock matter for anything? if not, why not just rid of it

They flip sides of the field so really means nothing last night. And I guess by reading that, if somehow the Chiefs had a 52 minute possession and the 4th quarter ran out the game would end, but I'm not even certain after reading that.


by housenuts

What evidence is there that Shanny didn't know the ot rules lol

His players admitted they did not know the rules, including Warner IIRC (who called "tails again").

One can debate the strength of this evidence but how could Kyle think that not telling the players the OT rules would serve in the team's best interest?

Kyle's SB points scored record with the lead:

SB 51: 0-31
SB 54: 0-21
SB 58: 9-22

Total: 9-74


by PokerHero77

SB 58: 9-22

Was 10-0, then 10-13, 16-13, 19-16 and 22-19. Ended 22-25.


Couldn't even make it 17-13. Curse is real


by GusJohnsonGOAT

They flip sides of the field so really means nothing last night. And I guess by reading that, if somehow the Chiefs had a 52 minute possession and the 4th quarter ran out the game would end, but I'm not even certain after reading that.

The playoff rules force the teams to play until someone wins with no chance for a tie. If 4 periods or quarters are played in overtime and the game is still tied, then a new overtime is created with a new coin toss and they play until a winner is declared under the same rules as the first 4 overtime periods.


by 72off

does the clock matter for anything? if not, why not just rid of it

It gives both teams a reasonable amount of timeouts per period and flips the field each quarter and provides continuity.


by madlex

Was 10-0, then 10-13, 16-13, 19-16 and 22-19. Ended 22-25.

Thx, I turned the game on late 1H after WM. I thought it was 3 -13 when KC ran down clock courtesy of Kyle saving those 1H TOs and kicked FG to make it 6-13.

That makes total scoring 12-77. Either way not good.


by PokerHero77

His players admitted they did not know the rules, including Warner IIRC (who called "tails again").

One can debate the strength of this evidence but how could Kyle think that not telling the players the OT rules would serve in the team's best interest?

Kyle's SB points scored record with the lead:

SB 51: 0-31
SB 54: 0-21
SB 58: 9-22

Total: 9-74

Yea no one--including kyle--can ever convince me he knew the rules cuz if he did they're not taking the ball. And the players not knowing the new rules is the frosting on the cake of that argument. Watching this unfold live, the instant they chose to receive I said to my gf "omg they don't know the new rules." I used the word unfathomable multiple times itt to describe this.

Totally unrelated but just thinking back to SB LI, we're talking about the OC who had the Pats dead to rights up 8 with less than 5 min left after Jones made that awesome catch at the Pats 22 yard line. Everyone and their grandma knew if the Falcons ran 3 times and kicked a fg the game was virtually over. Shanahan found a way to **** that up. When it comes to the biggest stage in sports, dude certainly has a knack for the unfathomable.


Final Nielsen ratings

Avg Viewers: 120.25 million

Rating: 42.1

Share: 81

Rating is the percentage of all TVs tuned into a show

Share is the percentage of TVs in use watching the show

So 81% of people watching TV were watching the SB at some time.

The 42.1 rating is about the middle of the pack for SBs. The record is 49.1 SB XVI in 1982.


by esad

Final Nielsen ratings

Avg Viewers: 120.25 million

On CBS.

Plus 2.3 mil on Univision plus 1.25 mil on Nickelodeon.

So actually slightly more than the 123.7mil reported on Monday night?


by madlex

Before yesterday I thought 49ers should be favored. After a game where it felt like all the small stuff went in SFs favor (ball placement, soft penalties,..) I'm pretty sure if they played again next Sunday it would be a pick'em.

Soft penalties? Wat? Aside from the one blatant holding call what are you talking about?

The most peanlized O-Line in the season got 0! penalties, despite some pretty obvious holds. Im not blaming the refs, but to say SF was favored in the penalty game is absurd when KC eats 0 Oline holding penalties and the most diaciplined Olineman in the game got hit with back to back penalties.


There was a reddit post about that but basically a team averaging 1.5 holding penalties a game getting zero isn't that shocking.

On the topic of refs I feel like deebo? Would have gotten a pass interference call in the end zone if he raised his arm through the hold so he was actually impeded instead of just theoretically impeded.


Chiefs o-line allowed to basically do whatever they wanted. I saw 3 blatant missed holding calls.

Chiefs o-line hasn’t been called for a single holding in their 3 Super Bowl wins.

13 quarters, zero holding penalties. Nothing to see here.


as if and despite the postmortem aidsnalysis..

Campion del Mundial


by gs3737

Chiefs o-line allowed to basically do whatever they wanted. I saw 3 blatant missed holding calls.

Chiefs o-line hasn’t been called for a single holding in their 3 Super Bowl wins.

13 quarters, zero holding penalties. Nothing to see here.

Yes. The NFL is deeply concerned about making the *checks notes* Kansas City Chiefs, that bastion of pure NFL history and huge money market, win the Super Bowl.

*edit*

CBF to get into this dumb argument lol, yes you're right it's all rigged.

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