War in CEE
Most of the info I came across suggests that an open conflict between Russia and NATO will break out soon (like now). I
Guys follow this one, you’ll get what I’m trying to say. They are Belarusian journalists that fled Belarus and are corresponding from Warsaw. https://x.com/nexta_tv
crimea is just an example, last week they blew up a refinery near St Petersburg which is near… Finland
Just a moment ago - power plant in Belogrod, Russia. Couple days ago a heat plant in the same city
NATO would never do that without the probable cause, that’s why Ukraine is doing it right now, with the probable cause and nato’s missilery: caption says that trump agreed to long range strikes and pi’s shows the first one, heating facility in Belogrod, Russia
Yeah, that was actually in the "real news" last week.
No sir. Have you ever looked through Russian official media statements? It’s all lies. All the public intel that deals with Russia is about people who can decode their publishing. You cannot just reject it, cause there’s no other public info. Rest is proactive intel that people with clearance conduct unofficially, and it’s rarely published. I don’t have such pleasure so I’m extrapolating from what I have
I agree with this. There really isn't any collective Soviet decision making to preserve the system but just a one man army of unprecedented, centralized power and the Russians, as well as a lot of the world, are at the mercy of whatever he decides to do.But the reality of all of this is that Putin has enough warheads to end civilization. Each warhead is more powerful than a Hi
I don’t think NATO would be escalating like this if we hadn’t left Putin some way to save face. He’s not giving up Crimea, and I think we’d settle for Odessa and some kind of Berlin Wall or a North–South Korea style demarcation line along the land bridge.
Saving face for Putin probably means some kind of guarantee that Ukraine won’t join NATO anytime soon, maybe coupled with a gradual drawdown of NATO support for Ukraine and limited sanctions relief tied to a ceasefire. He’d get to claim he stopped NATO’s expansion and secured “Russian” territory, while the West preserves Ukraine’s sovereignty and avoids a wider war.
Putin could still sell that as a victory. He’d claim Russia stopped NATO’s advance, secured Crimea and the “liberated” regions, reopened trade on Russia’s terms, and forced the West to the negotiating table. He could point to surviving sanctions, keeping control of the Black Sea, and standing firm while the West “blinked.” For his audience, just holding on against the entire Western alliance would be enough to call it a win.
I don’t think NATO would be escalating like this if we hadn’t left Putin some way to save face. He’s not giving up Crimea, and I think we’d settle for Odessa and some kind of Berlin Wall or a North–South Korea style demarcation line along the land bridge.Saving face for Putin probably means some kind of guarantee that Ukraine won’t join NATO anytime soon, maybe coupled with a g
Yes, he could save his face like this, that would be an ideal scenario and I would vouch for it if possible. There’s one inconsistency tho - he’s bombing Lviv, Lutsk, Rivne and all of western Ukraine too, parts that are more than 1000 km from the region you described. Why is he doing that? And what for?
Also, do you guys also think that patriots are already in Ukraine and prolly have been there long before this whole “discussion” started? It’s war, you don’t democratically debate IF unless you’re already ready
Take this, it’s an official Russian foreign ministry statement from today. It’s real cause it’s official, the key is to read it like this: “GRU has planned a sabotage operation abroad but MI6 has prevented it and soon they’ll announce it so Russian Fed. is lying in advance”
No, they're just randomly making stuff up.
Not only is nato not escalating, but Trump basically blamed the war on Zelenskyy, made him grovel in a televised meeting, and briefly stopped providing intelligence.
This gave Putin every chance to de escalate and save face and engage in peace talks under favorable terms. And in response Putin escalated by firing rockets at western Ukrainian cities (which he is still doing) and provoking Europe with drone flybys and alleged cyber attacks.
Not only is nato not escalating, but Trump basically blamed the war on Zelenskyy, made him grovel in a televised meeting, and briefly stopped providing intelligence. This gave Putin every chance to de escalate and save face and engage in peace talks under favorable terms. And in response Putin escalated by firing rockets at western Ukrainian cities (which he is still doing) a
That’s right up to one month ago, and now it’s NATO who’s escalating, using Ukraine as a launching pad. It’s good, NATO can’t wait anymore but I’m afraid it’s exactly what Russia wants… don’t get me wrong, I’m just describing current situation and it is like it is. Putin wants more Ukrainian/NATO strikes on Russia territory so he could do a check/raise and force Ukraine to capitulation, and NATO to fence the eastern flank, so both nato&eu would never ever expand into Ukraine, Belarus etc. at least as long as he’s alive. Not sure what he’ll do about the small Baltic former USRR regions. Dependable on how it goes with Ukraine
Going after their grid is escalation in my mind.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-...
WASHINGTON, Oct 1 (Reuters) - The United States will provide Ukraine with intelligence on long-range energy infrastructure targets in Russia, two officials told Reuters on Wednesday, as it weighs whether to send Kyiv missiles that could be used in such strikes.
The U.S. is also asking NATO allies to provide similar support, the U.S. officials said, confirming details first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
Going after their grid is escalation in my mind.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-...
Russia has already attacked Ukraine's energy infrastructure, so no.
Tit for tat doesn't apply when you're fighting a nuclear superpower who could melt you. And we're thinking about giving Ukraine some Tomahawks? "We'll you used long range missiles on our capital's grid so we used them on Moscow." Bye Ukraine. Highly escalatory.
