Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
[QUOTE=Crossnerd]
Israel is pretty much all in on winning through sheer force/hasbara/technology/spending. At this point, they better hope they maintain control for eternity and write the history, otherwise their beloved state is going to end up as a very shameful chapter for future scholars. That said, I still think it's possible to elect a Haarentz contributor, disavow Netanyahu, and sweep thi
ah yes israelis run the world and control the narrative when the entire world takes a direct narrative feed straight from Hamas-run ministries. you guys are funny
Right and I don't think it will work. Everyone hates them and I don't think it changes. Infact, I think they want people to hate them.
Bc they murdered a bunch of children today. And yesterday. And they will tomorrow. The Soviets had won by early mid 1942 but the genociders did a lot more murder after that.
AP news
https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-...
remember when Dun claimed it was all a fake? where is Dun btw. oh hes at UP bc the libs put up with bullshit a lot more (bc in general, they agree its fine to murder Arabs for fun and profit)
AP newshttps://apnews.com/article/palestinians-...remember when Dun claimed it was all a fake? where is Dun btw. oh hes at UP bc the libs put up with bullshit a lot more (bc in general, they agree its fine to murder Arabs for fun and profit)
So we have testimony of anonymous contractors that someone may (or may not) have been hit by live fire. And so-called videos that dont show anything anyways. I will say this is very convincing evidence (that most of the reports of civilians in bread lines being massacred is complete bullshit)
Israel is pretty much all in on winning through sheer force/hasbara/technology/spending. At this point, they better hope they maintain control for eternity and write the history, otherwise their beloved state is going to end up as a very shameful chapter for future scholars. That said, I still think it's possible to elect a Haarentz contributor, disavow Netanyahu, and sweep thi
I think you underestimate how completely fringe Haaretz is in Israel. Its' audience is mainly people who have never been to Israel who hate it anyways.
Haaretz must go through the military censor. it fully supports Israel. it just wants to do a kinder gentler genocide.
Here is a podcast where an Israeli guy who I am assuming is much higher up than you, someone who feels the need to post on a poker forum and insinuate that they have inside knowledge, explains exactly what I am talking about. https://www.econtalk.org/terrorism-israe...I highly suggest everyone in this thread, both pro-Pal and pro-Israel,
this is the first time i have heard of him. nice find.
So we have testimony of anonymous contractors that someone may (or may not) have been hit by live fire. And so-called videos that dont show anything anyways. I will say this is very convincing evidence (that most of the reports of civilians in bread lines being massacred is complete bullshit)
This is not a hill you want to die on. IDF itself has more or less admitted they have done what they are accused of: shooting at civilians trying to get food from GHF.
This is not a hill you want to die on. IDF itself has more or less admitted they have done what they are accused of: shooting at civilians trying to get food from GHF.
No one denies that live fire was used for crowd control. It is even possible a small number of civilians were hit and killed.
That is 8,000 miles from the accusations that have been flying around with zero evidence.
How high the numbers were... we have no idea.
But it's unlikely to be in the single digits, or the IDF would have told us.
**** Israel government and idf this does not read **** Israel
When I think BBC I definitely think pro-Israel propaganda. Come on now lol
These people are partisan hacks and want the BBC to be one as well. And also this is convenient timing after multiple accusations of anti-Israel bias from within the company, including using the child son of a Hamas operatives as a narrator for a documentary.
The answer most desired by staff was in relation to delays in broadcasting Gaza: Doctors Under Attack. They wanted to know why it had been shelved while an investigation took place into another documentary, Gaza: How to Survive a Warzone, which was pulled from the iPlayer earlier this year after it emerged its child narrator was the son of a Hamas official.
“The lack of transparency over these decisions is hugely concerning,” Davie was told. Another staffer asked: “Are you aware this [delay] has negatively impacted the BBC’s reputation and ability to tell Palestine stories?”
A third question seen by the Guardian went further. “I’m often confronted about the BBC being a propaganda machine and biased about Gaza,” it said. “I love my job, but sometimes I can’t tell anyone I work here for fear of arguments. What can be done about this?”
It went on: “I know I am not alone in feeling this way and believe my question will resonate with colleagues across the corporation.”
Davie fielded the questions, saying no one should be falling out with friends and family members in defence of the BBC’s coverage of the conflict, and admitting the editorial decisions involved in covering Gaza were “as tough as it gets”.
Tim Davie.
View image in fullscreen
Tim Davie. Photograph: Jacob King/PA
Since that event, the BBC has completely axed the medics documentary, causing further anger. Channel 4 announced this weekend that it would air the documentary on Wednesday night.
Meanwhile, executives are braced for the findings from its internal inquiry into the making of Gaza: How to Survive a Warzone. It is expected in the coming weeks and will bring internal and external criticism from those who accuse the BBC of an anti-Israel bias. “Deputy heads will roll,” said one industry figure closely watching the outcome.
The corporation came in for renewed criticism from both sides this weekend for livestreaming a Glastonbury festival performance of the rap punk duo Bob Vylan, where chants of “Death, death to the IDF” were heard, and opting not to livestream a performance by the band Kneecap, one of whom has been charged with a terror offence for allegedly displaying a Hezbollah flag at a gig in November.
Long before that all-staff session, BBC bosses were acutely aware of the fraught atmosphere in Broadcasting House over Gaza coverage. Just weeks earlier, Davie had decided to end Gary Lineker’s tenure at the BBC after the Match of the Day presenter reposted a social media video appearing to refer to Jewish people as rats – an antisemitic slur used by the Nazis. It led to accusations of an anti-Israel bias.
The episode left some Jewish staff saying they felt betrayed, with one accusing their bosses of doing the “bare minimum of damage limitation”. Some now focus on BBC Arabic. One staffer said it operated “in its own way when it comes to the Israel-Palestinian conflict” and that contributors had been found making “opinionated postings on social media”. Two BBC employees said the service needed to be reformed.
You're consistently wrong about a lot of things and it's notable how little you know about the UK. The BBC line has to been to downplay and trivialise the mass murder of Gaza civilians.
Occasionally something more accurate slips through the editorial net recently put in place by a fervently pro-Zionist and journalists get into hot water for it.
The deal is the same deal you've been consistently denying, or excusing, for months.
The only change is now that international opinion has woken up to the mass genocide you're embarrassed by how arrogantly shitty your posting has been.
You're consistently wrong about a lot of things and it's notable how little you know about the UK. The BBC line has to been to downplay and trivialise the mass murder of Gaza civilians.
Occasionally something more accurate slips through the editorial net recently put in place by a fervently pro-Zionist and journalists get into hot water for it.
Nice poisoning the well. Too bad all you’ve done is just reassert the claim without responding to my critique.
You’re consistently one of the laziest and lowest quality posters on here by the way, as long as we’re doing meta instead of debating the issues.
The deal is the same deal you've been consistently denying, or excusing, for months.
The only change is now that international opinion has woken up to the mass genocide you're embarrassed by how arrogantly shitty your posting has been.
whats that saying again? "someday, when it safe, everyone will claim they were always against this." corpus is right on schedule for that.
That and/or the consequences will prove that they were right but didn't go far enough
and a big dollop of 'no-one could possibly have known'
