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I doubt that the popularity of things like the NBA compared to the WNBA is solely a product of marketing. There are a lot of factors at play.
On the other hand, I think it is dead wrong to suggest that sports viewership and popularity is driven primarily by interest in watching raw athleticism and therefore men's sports will always be more popular because men run faster and jump higher on average than woman do.
People watch sports primarily because they like watching people who truly give a **** compete as hard as they can. (Unfortunately, sports popularity increasingly seems driven by gambling as well, but that's a separate discussion.) Yes, there has to be a baseline level of quality. The competition can't be an eyesore. But we are long past that point in high-level women's sports. The popularity of women's sports in the Olympics is a good example of what I am describing and good evidence that women's sports can compete very effectively with men's sports for viewers when marketed properly.
I just assumed you played a lot of highschool football yourself, which would explain the TBI
We didn't have high school football here. Probably wouldn't have played if we did. I did hockey, baseball, volleyball, cross-country, tennis.
I doubt that the popularity of the things like the NBA compared to the WNBA is solely a product of marketing. There are a lot of factors at play.On the other hand, I think it is dead wrong to suggest that sports viewership and popularity is driven primarily by interest in watching raw athleticism and therefore men's sports will always be more popular because men run faster and
That may mostly be true but above all I think they 'want to watch the best. I think it can work better with Olympic sports you see a female figure skater do something you definitely can't do and your impressed. but if you see them do that in the popular everyday sports and you played high school basketball your not going to be as impressed because you can jump higher and get that rebound. The average height in the wnba is only 6 feet which is nearly average for a man and an average athletic man can jump higher at 6 feet.
I doubt that the popularity of the things like the NBA compared to the WNBA is solely a product of marketing. There are a lot of factors at play.
spoken like a man
i guess if you want to think that the products are the same and it comes down to marketing/culture/etc then i don't see how you can ever expect to be taken seriously in any conversation revolving around sportsie just to play slippery slope - you do realize this "every viewing experience is equal" wouldn't just apply to wnba vs nba but also wnba vs the jv women's basketball team
That may mostly be true but above all I think they 'want to watch the best. I think it can work better with Olympic sports you see a female figure skater do something you definitely can't do and your impressed. but if you see them do that in the popular everyday sports and you played high school basketball your not going to be as impressed because you can jump higher and get th
Figure skating is a very poor example for your argument and a great example for my argument. Women's figure skating almost certainly is more popular with North American viewers than men's figure skating is, even though the best women can't do all the jumps that the best men can do.
That may mostly be true but above all I think they 'want to watch the best. I think it can work better with Olympic sports you see a female figure skater do something you definitely can't do and your impressed. but if you see them do that in the popular everyday sports and you played high school basketball your not going to be as impressed because you can jump higher and get th
Thing is, they televise HS basketball and football games! They have Little League baseball on EPSN FFS, the argument that men only tune in to watch raw athleticism doesn't stand up to the slightest analysis.
It’s amazing how as much as women complain about men not watching women’s sports, they also don’t watch women’s sports lol
I've never in my life heard a woman complaining about this and I suspect you haven't either.
ya probably. lets say highjump. They have much lower viewership tho college? college sports is an American only phenomenon ive watched thousands of nba games and probably 10 mins of college basketball. I assume the nba is still popular by a wide margin. its an international sport and only americans are watching college or highschool because they went to school there usually
it was an attempt, obviously a bad one, at poking fun at cn
gentle reminder this nutjob genuinely believes that a gay person couldn't physically be attracted to a straight person - guess their gadar must be 100% accurate
ya probably. lets say highjump. They have much lower viewership tho? college sports is an American only phenomenon ive watched thousands of nba games and probably 10 mins of college basketball. I assume the nba is still popular by a wide margin
High jump? I can't say that men's or women's high jump is a big spectator sport in the United States. I only watch the high jump during the Olympics, and I am no less interested in the women than I am in the men. The point is to watch the best compete for medals, and it's the Olympics, so obviously all the competitors give a ****.
I doubt that the popularity of the things like the NBA compared to the WNBA is solely a product of marketing. There are a lot of factors at play.On the other hand, I think it is dead wrong to suggest that sports viewership and popularity is driven primarily by interest in watching raw athleticism and therefore men's sports will always be more popular because men run faster and
No, not solely. I keep repeating myself but this isn’t just a modern issue, it’s one based in a significant timeline of total inaccessibility and then chronic underinvestment. Women’s sports started later and were always considered inferior, which we saw earlier in housenuts comparison of men’s sports to Google and women’s sports to some rinky dink small business.
If I had to rank priorities for revenue and viewership, I’d list marketing first, but it’s by no means a singular issue. There’s also media exposure, advertising revenue, visibility etc.
The Olympics is a great example of outcomes when all things are more even. Agree with the rest of your post.
Thing is, they televise HS basketball and football games! They have Little League baseball on EPSN FFS, the argument that men only tune in to watch raw athleticism doesn't stand up to the slightest analysis.
yes now compare the viewership of those with the NFL or the world series.
i love watching the Little League World Series for what it's worth. but i'm an anomaly. none of my friends do, whereas they mostly all watch the actual world series.
This is true and the sheer amount of time makes it very hard to know what the "but for" world would have looked like if that had not been the case.
If the above resonates with most of the men here, and I believe it does, then I think it would be fair of me to say that those same men should completely and fully **** off about trans athletes in women sports. Because again, men don’t really care.
And those who actually claim to care are lying liars who lie.
cn - do you believe that if the wnba started at the same time as the nba that it would have the same amount of viewership?
That sort of undercuts your whole argument.
cn - do you believe that if the wnba started at the same time as the nba that it would have the same amount of viewership?
Basketball was invented and played professionally as a sport over 100 years ago. Given the social constraints and expectations placed on women at that time, there is no way to actually gauge this.
If, for example, basketball was invented in 1980 and both leagues started at the same time with the same amount of investment, I think there are many timelines where it’s fairly even.
Lets say men's sports are at 100% potential. I can agree that women's sports are under utilized and far from 100%. maybe even at 50% they had a bad shake for sure. but to say that when they reach 100% it would be equal is a little bit wrong. Theres even a world where a popular men's sport was overtaken by women in views. but not all of them. not even the majority
It’s just so silly after debates like this for any of you to then turn around and claim to care deeply about the fairness of outcomes for women’s sports.
Be openly anti-trans and claim it for what you are. Don’t hide behind female athletes you otherwise view as inferior.
Next time just say openly “I don’t care about women’s sports, I don’t take it seriously, and I never watch them either. But goddammit that tranny shouldn’t be on the podium. That’s not fair to my girls!”
i guess you can think that. i like moments that are big. championships. i watch zero little league baseball all year until the LLWS.
i also played little league baseball so have an affinity for it.
i never watch the CFL, but sometimes I'll watch the Grey Cup game.
I don't watch women's hockey, but I'll watch the gold medal game.
I don't watch women's college basketball, but I watched the finals the other year with caitlin clark.
If moments are big, it's enticing as a sports viewer.
For regular day-to-day viewing I stick to NHL/NFL. I barely watch baseball, but when it's playoffs it's very exciting.
And I think it's true that the majority of viewers tend to watch the best of the best compete, and I don't think this is due to having some otherwordly CMO that for some reason isn't able to do it for other leagues.
NFL gets exponentially more viewers than CFL or Arena League. Is this due to a better product, or better marketing?
NBA gets exponentially more viewers than G League, Euro League.
NHL gets exponentially more viewers than AHL, ECHL, junior hockey
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I think this is pretty standard fare among sports viewers depending on their sport preferences.
Basketball was invented and played professionally as a sport over 100 years ago. Given the social constraints and expectations placed on women at that time, there is no way to actually gauge this.
If, for example, basketball was invented in 1980 and both leagues started at the same time with the same amount of investment, I think there are many timelines where it’s fairly even.
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