British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
lol brexit, talk about whining on forever.
Does the article lament we have lost the comforting, controlling embrace of the EU and are no longer able to grab our ankles and welcome the Primacy of EU Law. It's dreadful we can now vote out those making laws again when they are bad at governing, how will we cope? Yep, it really sucks to have to be a democracy again, doesn't it.
Can I expect links from John Major (didn't give us a referendum on Maastricht) or Blair or Brown (didn't give us a referendum on Lisbon) saying the same soon?
Just because the tories naused up the whole brexit thing, doesn't mean it's not a fundamentally correct idea for the UK. The execution, of course, has been truly horrendous.
And given the tories were useless at that, I'm going to guess the whole tory approach would probably have damaged the UK, with or without brexit. Or do you think brexit alone is the issue, and therefore the tories would have been good governing the country otherwise?
Yeah, really terrible having the protection of the ECHR. You'll be the first in here moaning at the government, whichever one it is, once we leave that and you have zero rights any more and will conveniently neglect to mention it was only possible because of Brexit.
Props to diebitter for not referring to the EU as "Ze Eu".
He's coming round slowly, I can feel it. He might have the turning circle of an oil tanker but he'll get there eventually.
I do not want us to leave the ECHR, that's a good thing. There are many good things about membership of the EU especially the education and scientific cooperation, but the political and fiscal union that erodes into national democracy (on the way to full federalisation) puts the EU in the red, and a long way in, for me.
We have to hope this is one of those “news management “ type leaks designed to prepare us for much less odious changes.
And so it was.
David Lammy is expected to back down from removing jury trials for all but the most serious charges of murder, manslaughter and rape, but trial by jury will still be radically reduced for more minor offences shown below as "either way" offences where trial by jury is currently an option.
That won't happen. Where will my next yacht come from?
Talking of ****s, Gullis has defected to Reform, surprise, surprise. I suppose this doesn't have legs now.
And so it was.
David Lammy is expected to back down from removing jury trials for all but the most serious charges of murder, manslaughter and rape, but trial by jury will still be radically reduced for more minor offences shown below as "either way" offences where trial by jury is currently an option.
I think they're dialling it back to trials with possible sentences of 3 years or under (previously 5 years, so that would bring in a lot more cases).
uggg it's so utterly predictable. Not only will they enable the bigots and racists, they will be utterly useless at governing, may very well be the end of the NHS and the BBC, and will spend their whole time whining about fake news and moving from one scapegoat to the next, whilst they nause everything up.
JFC I wish labour would do...something...anything... to show they might be actually worth voting for.
Maybe persuade Lammy to defect to Reform?
They could and should tie up with the Greens and Libs, especially now this is out in the open.
Bloke sentenced to 40 months for distributing "extreme right wing material", which appears to be music.
That's a bit much if true, innit?
It could be consistent with current legislation but as none of us know what the lyrics are it's hard to say.
It could be consistent with current legislation but as none of us know what the lyrics are it's hard to say.
I was wondering myself about the lyrics, if they were merely offensive or actually inciting, as if it was the former, you could then potentially imprison people for listening to gangsta rap or death metal/punk etc. Did some digging and found out from wiki that some white power bands do indeed incite violence.
This new iteration of No Remorse recorded Barbecue in Rostock in 1996, the album's title a reference to the 1992 Rostock-Lichtenhagen race riots where neo-Nazi rioters set fire to a hostel housing refugees.[21] Barbecue in Rostock was more virulently racist and violent than Burnley's No Remorse and other earlier RAC bands, with ten out of the eleven songs on the album unabashedly encouraging violence against minority groups.[8][22]
And found out imprisoning people for such things s nothing new anyway
Browning's label ISD Records, who had released the album, were forced to shift their address to Denmark to avoid prosecution in the UK, and in 1998, a British man was sentenced to six months' imprisonment for having manufactured Barbecue in Rostock CDs.[8][23]
A year later you had David Copeland and his nail bomb attacks so I can understand the context.
Reform have now logged the largest ever single political-party donation from a private individual (in nominal non-inflation-adjusted terms), that being £9m from crypto investor Christopher Harborne, who doesn't even live here, he lives in Thailand. He has in times past been a donor to the Tories and then the Brexit Party.
The previous record, and indeed the all-time inflation-adjusted record, is £8m donated to the Lib Dems by Lord Sainsbury in 2019, equivalent to over £11.6m now, due to recent high inflation, which doesn't appear to have achieved all that much. If you recall, the hapless Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson lost her seat in the subsequent General Election and has never been heard of since.
It's a bit stupid to bang on about how schoolboys used to talk among themselves in the 1970s.
In general I agree, but you and I both know that there's a world of difference between schoolboys talking among themselves and one person accompanied by bigger boys approaching ethnic minorities and telling them over and over again that Hitler had the right idea and they should have been gassed.
And again I think we both know that Farage still doesn't like ethnic minorities very much, and probably most other minorities too, so it's hardly irrelevant to 2025.
I mean... this is someone who could soon be the UK's Prime Minster.
Number of complainants up to 28 now.
But of course they’re all lying, according to Tice…or was it all, as Farage says, just normal 70s banter? Odd how they contradict each other.
Farage's retort was on the nose for the BBC.
Farage demanded the BBC apologise for 1970s TV shows such as "It Ain't Half Hot Mum" and the "The Black and White Minstrel Show," which he said were homophobic and racist.
Three in the morning now?
Well of course you’d support the deeply racist and antisemitic Farage and fail to see the difference between TV programmes at the time using racist language which reflected a racist society (though the worst by a country mile was ITVs Love Thy Neighbour) and a senior politician refusing to apologise for telling Jewish people they should be gassed, which definitely wasn’t common societal values at the time.
The Ashes.
At least Farage can use the excuse that he was a teenager and it was 50 years ago.
You have no such mealy mouthed excuses for your racism and antisemitism.
