Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here
how bad must he be when a girl falls asleep while making out and snores right after?
life fish..... food arrived but didn
He plays tournaments of all games and buyins. He has studied and maybe got coaching in GTO. I don't think he has tried playing cash games recently. As pointed out ITT, it shows in his PLO tournament play that he hasn't played 5/5 or whatever PLO.
He comes off like a clown who is good at marketing himself, but he is still an excellent player. He seems to be playing more for POY points, bracelets, etc. than to win money, which sort of makes sense with huge income from the endorsement and videos.
I just found an example of DN's Omaha HiLo prowess back in WSOP 2002.
MM won the bracelet, with Danny coming second:
He was raising really light with the chip lead. I don't like the open at all. However, I am sure he knew what were playable hands in O8 in 2002.
I've said it before in this thread, and I don't know why I can't resist doing it again, but your statement here is completely wrong. He said that in one certain context, increasing the rake could have a positive impact on a specific game situation, and what he said was 100% logical and correct. He did not make a blanket "increasing the rake is good" statement, and if this is wh
It was said at a complete wrong time when Stars basically betrayed people with their supernova (elite) status. Yes he meant games get softer but that does not matter as it was just a very stupid statement at the wrong time by a company mascot.
if I remember correctly him and his wife even showed their middle finger in the same video saying "**** the pros".
Huge lol at u fanboy for stepping in and defending such bs.
I've said it before in this thread, and I don't know why I can't resist doing it again, but your statement here is completely wrong. He said that in one certain context, increasing the rake could have a positive impact on a specific game situation, and what he said was 100% logical and correct. He did not make a blanket "increasing the rake is good" statement, and if this is wh
Naw your a crackhead.
Just because your a fan boy you justify this nonsense.
Increasing the rake has no positive impact are you absurd !
Daniel will say anything for greed and money. This is a perfect example.
Remember too how he's Mr Morality for everyone else too. Calls out Ledereder,
Duke, Remember when he attacked Greg Reynor. Yet he sold out easily.
Make sure you vote him president though that makes sense
1% of 100 million is 1,000,000, not 10,000.But in any case, Hendon Mob has over 700,000 individual players listed. Top 1% of this would be 7,000, and I do think Negreanu is in the top 7,000 in any form of poker.I don’t think he’s top 100 in NLHE or PLO specifically, but I’m pretty confident he’s a top 100 poker player overall, in the sense that he’s pretty clearly +EV in the $5
Well your right on the math, mine sucks.
I think you all are overestimating the talent that is at the world series of poker. Like you guys think the top 100 players
in the world are all there. You think the best players from Russia are at the world series?
Poker is played all over the world. I'm sure the top Americans are at the world series, but I promise alot of the top players
don't go to the world series.
So he might be +EV in the 50k PPC, but that probably doesn't even come close to verifying that he's top 100 overall.
Honestly there is probably no way he's close to top 100.
It was said at a complete wrong time when Stars basically betrayed people with their supernova (elite) status. Yes he meant games get softer but that does not matter as it was just a very stupid statement at the wrong time by a company mascot.if I remember correctly him and his wife even showed their middle finger in the same video saying "**** the pros".Huge lol at u fanboy fo
If you want to say the timing wasn't great, fine. The point can and was argued to death at the time as to the role of pros in a successful poker room, how much they help or damage the poker ecosystem, and what the correct action to take is.
But simply squawking "Daniel thinks more rake is better" is just stupid and shows that even if you think I'm a fanboy, you're simply a jealous hater who would be the type of person to say "oh sure he donated to charity, he just wanted to make himself look good".
I don't think DN is top 100 in the world, including cash players. He is probably in the top 5 or 10% of professional poker players though.
If you want to say the timing wasn't great, fine. The point can and was argued to death at the time as to the role of pros in a successful poker room, how much they help or damage the poker ecosystem, and what the correct action to take is.But simply squawking "Daniel thinks more rake is better" is just stupid and shows that even if you think I'm a fanboy, you're simply a jealo
Can u actually read punk? I already said I understood in which context he said it and I am not the guy u were answering to in the first place.
Timing was not "not great" it was simply disgusting to say this at the time Stars betrayed their customer with the whole sn(e) fiasko.
But I guess u have absolutely no idea what happened back then.
Come on. If motivated to do so he would destroy almost every 2/5 game in the country.
Yall are so far on one side or the other wtf
On one side Daniel wouldn't beat any local 2-5 game,
on the other side he would CRUSH almost every 2-5 in the country.
Thats 2 pretty polar opposites.
Well the truth is that Daniel isn't good enough to crush 2-5. He would beat the average 2-5.
But you are in outer space if you think he would crush 2/5. That implies that he's world class.
His results over the last 10 years show clearly he is not. More so when u factor in the sick sick sick sick
wins he has. Absurd once in a lifetime luck that he downplays because is eigo is so big.
Going running 33' for quads vs a set of AA in the biggest tournament you play is absurd !!
The odds of that alone are astronimical. Hitting a Q with AK on JJT2 board vs trips Jacks with 1 card
to come, again absurd. These are miracles. Daniels eigo is so massive he will justify these beats
as stuff he deserves to offset a few bad beats. But these are sick ****ing beats. The amount of luck
just in those 2 beats alone is off the charts. Other professional players will go 20 years without being
able to hit those 2 beats.
I go back to Doug Polk too. If your such fanboys of Daniel and think he's so great. How the **** are you
guys not sucking Doug Polk off every single day. You should be worshipping Doug, kissing his feet.
HE SMASHED YOUR HERO BADLY.
If Daniel is as good as you think, then DOUG IS ALL WORLD HE SMASHED DANIEL EASILY.
In a 50k match too where luck isn't an excuse.
Gee Phil crushed Daniel 3-0 and made him look bad too. I know Phil is a douchebag, but hes much
better than Daniel also.
DN just handed Polk $1.2 million. Not sure why he didn't insist on a sit n go format or part mixed games. Lots of publicity for DN though, and expensive HU and GTO lessons.
I defended DN to people saying he is a losing player, etc. Not what he is hyped up to be by GG. He has the big endorsement contract, so doesn't play a full schedule or events he knows he can beat, because doesn't need to make money from poker.
He maybe is a top 10 mixed game tournament player, but several have clearly better results at that. A significantly winning player at $10K and below NLHE and PLO tournaments. Break even or losing at NLHE / PLO high rollers. Not really a top player today.
Back in the day, the guys beating the big mixed game, Brunson, Ivey, and Reese, were clearly better. I would say top cash game players are still better, but now there is only 3K/6K mixed during the Series some 50/100 PLO. High stakes cash games are not in great shape and online is sort of dead.
DN just handed Polk $1.2 million. Not sure why he didn't insist on a sit n go format or part mixed games. Lots of publicity for DN though, and expensive HU and GTO lessons.
He didn't insist on a mixed game format because Polk would never had accepted that. DN knew going in that he was -EV in the format and accepted it for the publicity.
He maybe is a top 10 mixed game tournament player, but several have clearly better results at that. A significantly winning player at $10K and below NLHE and PLO tournaments. Break even or losing at NLHE / PLO high rollers. Not really a top player today.
I don't know that he's a top 10 mixed game player, but people denying that he's top 100 are deluded.
He cashed in small-field $10k+ tournaments in eight different games in this year's WSOP.
Yall are so far on one side or the other wtfOn one side Daniel wouldn't beat any local 2-5 game,on the other side he would CRUSH almost every 2-5 in the country.Thats 2 pretty polar opposites.Well the truth is that Daniel isn't good enough to crush 2-5. He would beat the average 2-5.But you are in outer space if you think he would crush 2/5. That implies that he's world class
Where's all these super tough 2/5 games at? I've played 2/3 or 2/5 in probably a dozen casinos across the country in the last 4 or 5 years including Vegas and was and would be a long term winner at all of them and there is 0 chance Im nearly as good as he is. Like I said I'm talking an alternate universe where he would be motivated, and him making a living would depend on it. Along with the crushers there are still a steady stream of mouth breathers at most of them.
I agree he isn't as good as he or some people on here think he is and got crazy lucky in those tournaments but a couple years ago he got sucked at on time after time after time in crucial spots. Luck works both ways. Also yes news flash Polk is 10 times the heads up player Daniel is. The fact he even took that challenge baffles me.
DN crushes the mixed game tournaments. However, the best players have big edges in those. Seiver, Glaser, Deeb, and M. Mizrachi have multiple recent bracelets and DN has just the one PPC. Ivey seems to not play below $10K and mostly high rollers, including PLO and NLHE. So there is no way DN is a top 5 mixed game tournament player, maybe a top 5.
If you look at the whole world and cash players, including online and people playing underground games and private high stakes games, DN may not be in the top 100. Tournament players, particularly mixed game tournament players, are the ones who mostly get into the HOF.
Totally ridiculous people claiming DN is a losing player, not a pro, etc. I object to that, but he also is nothing like as good as his endorsement contract, fame, etc.
Did anything substantial even happen to lederer for that matter? Other than the public shaming I suppose
Yeah, just that he's Soooo hated and villainous that I don't think he's ever shown up anywhere again.
Even Ferguson resurfaced, people gave him sh-t at the tables, he just sat there and that was the end of it
Read the terms and the rights the site had to amend offers. If you want to talk moral issue the site provided the prey for the sharks; sharks seemed to have no issues with them being prey not competition.
Mate just because terms and conditions allow you to do something doesnt mean its the decent or moral thing to do.
I was working in customer support at pokerstars at the time when this happened and even among the people working there were 2 camps. people who never played poker and couldn't give a **** about the game or the players and people who were massively pissed off.
But I cant remember anyone beside senior management ever making this argument.
Personally i thought we were essentially stealing and quit the company not too long after.
How can he be a top tier mixed game player with his volume? He probably plays draw games 10 days a year. People like Benny are probably playing 200+ mix tournaments on Stars and at live events a year. There is no way you can come into these games without playing a hand for 6 months and be sharp. Chris Vitch and others focus solely on mixed games and should be massive favourites over a guy who thinks because he wrote the chapter on 27 and still plays that same strategy 20 years later that he is the be all and end all. I would honestly pick 50 players from the Stars mixed game pool to be favourites over him.
Well maybe some of those 50 players should sell some action and play the WSOP
How can he be a top tier mixed game player with his volume? He probably plays draw games 10 days a year. People like Benny are probably playing 200+ mix tournaments on Stars and at live events a year. There is no way you can come into these games without playing a hand for 6 months and be sharp. Chris Vitch and others focus solely on mixed games and should be massive favourites
How many high stakes mixed games are spread on Poker Stars, or any other popular online site nowadays?
You named two players who I agree are likely better than Daniel. I could probably easily name another 10. But that’s a far cry from saying he’s not in the Top 100.
I probably shouldn't have added last sentence as it detracts from the point I was trying to make, which is that it is virtually impossible to be on the same level with guys playing thousands of hands a month in these variants when you are coming in ice cold.
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He is a one of the best tournament players. Some definitely better mixed game tournament players and somewhat lower level as a NLHE tournament player.
He seems not to play a full schedule with the endorsement contract, and that might be detrimental to his play.
