AA preflop

all in

So, raise 370ish? Hmmm, interesting...

You've got 3 people cold calling a 3-bet with position on you, its obviously a very soft game. You have about 30% raw equity I'm guessing. Shove and watch one of them call with 66 because of "the price" or because "they knew it was coming"

I think shove is a good play with a lot of hands, but I would prefer to 4bet AA smaller. I guess I would just go $100 here to keep it simple, don't think there is much reason to go smaller with this many players.

130-140

I limp in, but at this stack size a small raise is pretty much the same thing.

I think (?) I would shove to rep AK. Like $150 just looks so massively strong, although if we get some "pod odds" calls then I guess ok.

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Interesting thoughts about the shove. I will say that someone did something like that earlier, raise 10, raise 30, 300, all fold.

Buuuuttt, that being said, I see the argument for it.

I raised to 130 and all folded.

I think 130 is the worst sizing. It’s the smallest raise that forces them to call a 3-digit number. I would have done 115 or 120 or else I would have just jammed.

The idea that we can jam other hands but not AA is preposterous to me, by the way. If we are jamming KK then we are hoping to get called by the same range of hands we’re hoping to get called by when we jam with AA, no?

I mean you chose the one other hand that might want to 4bet small instead of jam for your example here. What about AKo or QQ or JJ?

But, that said, if we 4bet jam KK and someone folds AQo in this massive pot, they are folding 30% equity against our hand. The same is true for any AX hand (of which there are many). Obviously, we would prefer that they call with AX, but, if they fold, it isn't a disaster. We protect our hand and win 45bb rake-free.

If we 4bet jam AA and someone folds AQo, they are folding 7% equity. That is a big difference.

I jam here.

Easiest jam in the world.

Depends on the dynamic, are there a lot light 3! and maybe 4!s? But jam does make it look bluffier, IMHO, and might induce a call from someone thinking they're flipping.

How much bigger are the other stacks? How much do the villains have behind if they call your shove?

Any reads? Calling stations (seems yes)? Do any Vs spaz call under pressure?

With four loose passive Vs calling a 3bet, one of them surely feels strong enough to call a shove. A raise to 110 to 130 could lead to a cascade of calls.

I don't like 130, which is about the strongest looking size possible. Either make it 100 or a little less or shove.

From what I've seen solvers have a lot of spots where they'll shove KK/AKo but raise smaller with AA and a small number of AXs hands ... but it's very difficult to do that correctly as a human, IMO.

Would just end thread after the first response.
There's 134 in the middle, including hero's 10. We opened to 2.5x pot but are now worried about shoving 2.5x pot when we still have the nuts and no idea what four other people have?

Even if we assume one of the four people has a clue, wtf number are we going to pick?
Raising to 130 (pretend it's 1x pot) feels about as genius as open raising to $3.

Even if we decided that 4bets are strong ranges, so even OOP we should only raise the 3bet 1.5x making it $75 ... we got 3 more $30 callers which is $165 if we just add their calls in at face value and we've put over a 3rd of our stack in.

As an exploit you could obviously do a bunch of really weird things, including just call, but I don't see how any of them are going to be better than shoving long term (and we've got a chance of balancing that).