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I play 10-20 at Harrah's and was wondering what your name is. I would guess you are the character known as Lee, who goes to Harrah's but I could be wrong.
Haven't been around lately. But, Suburban Poker Man was referred to as such, right at the table, when I used to play a Harrah's, East Chicago, Ind. He comes to PLAY cards, not throw them. Good atmosphere and vibes with him.
Usually it's a lot cheaper to just pay for the room.
I just got back from a 4 day trip where I stayed at the MGM, which on a 1 to 10 I give a solid 3! The food was lousy and overpriced.I played about 15 hours of 21 at an average of 100 per hand and couldn't even get a buffet ticket! Fortunately I beat the tight bastards and ate elsewhere. Dino.
Don't spend all the money you save from all those huge tax cuts in one place. LOL!
Welcome to Nazi America.
-SmoothB-
That comment was about as stupid as they come.
Bush is proving to be a good decent honest president a few things we havent had for 8 years. As for the tax cau it IS coming and we deserve it.
I want some of my money back and the economy needs the boost too. Besides the IRS will gain revenue as a result of it as it did in the 80's the only reason for the deficits was the overspending.
vv
...just cause your guy lost don't spit on my America with idiotic claims of "Nazi America". Maybe if your talking bobble-head doll could've won his home state, Bush wouldn't be the elected leader of the free world. Time for some integrity in Washington. Yessiree!!!
You're nothing but a sore loser dufus. Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha ------you voted for GORE Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.......he lost AGAIN!!!! You probably voted for Clinton too!! Him and Hillary got this cash cow going called "pardongate" Ha, ha, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha they are crooks and dolts like you love them!! Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha don't feel too bad, Massachusetts just re-elected fat Teddy again Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Wake up and smell the coffee Adolf
No. No. No. You got it all wrong!You jus say what they tell you to say. You don't think on your own. Clinton was attacked from day one, why? Democrats only try to help the workers of this country. People like you. Democrats got Social Security for you, don't forget. "W" is an unelected President, put in the White House by the Supreme Court and Justice Thomas. I voted for Gore, all my life I voted democrat. Democrats are for the worker. If you wait for your boss to give you anything, you don't have a chance. All benefits for worker are here because of Labor Unions and democrats ideas. Period. I don't care who is running, I vote democrat. That new carrier should have been named "Jimmy Carter". Gore lost the election because he was afraid to run on the administration record of the last eight years and because the great majority of the workers of this country don't vote. Do you vote?
Also, he lost his State because he is "for" gun control, and to win Florida all he had to do was asked Clinton to go there and campaign for him. Simple.
...Gore lost because he wasn't able to overcome the scumbag actions of Clinton. What a dope you sound like defending Clinton. Gore tried to distance himself from Clinton, but obviously it didn't work. You sound like a little kid who lost your little league game and you're blaming it on the umpire.
Gore lost Florida because the Latinos switched from 75% Democratic in the last presidential election to about 50-55% this time. This was fallout from the Elian Gonzalez incident which was orchestrated by Clinton and fat dyke Janet Reno.
And yes I voted. And if you think Clinton is for the workers because he and his lesbian wife are Democrat, you should send resumes to them to be their lifetime busboy. Maybe Hillary will let you watch!!!
Wow..good point about the latino vote being lost because of the Elian Gonzalez case. I honestly had not thought of that. Maybe it cost the democrats the election. Blows the mind.
...is that even though I voted for Bush, I'm honest enough to admit the Latino 'switch' was for the wrong reason. For one of the few times in his 8 yr tenure of shame and disgrace, I supported Clinton in the Elian Gonzalez case. The Hispanic "backlash" did nothing more than punish Gore for Clinton's correct (IMO) decision. Truth is, if Gore wins his HOME state, Florida is barely a side bar to the presidential voting outcome.
Well, I refuse to defend Clinton ever again. I did it enough in the past eight years. Pardongate, in my opinion, was the prostitution of the Constitution. He sold american justice to fugitives, convicted swindlers of the american people, well-connected drug dealers and cronies and old friends from his past such as that broad, her name escapes me at the moment, that was involved heavily in the Arkansas bank fraud situation with him and Hillary. How very skanky and short-sighted of him, and underscores most politicians complete disdain for the american voter's ability to digest and remember their ill behavior for very long. I will never vote for a Clinton again. However Bush scares the hejeebees outa me. The only real area I thought he was dangerous was the environment and this country's irreplacable natural resources, which he is well into destroying already. Alaska will never be the same after Bush. Nor will some of the other pristine natural land held in public trust that he will allow to be stripped and left smoking. Let's hope this four years flies by with as least damage as possible.
I'll say this again I did not have any sexual relations with that women.
You won't find me disagreeing with that statement. I would find it hard to believe you've ever gotten any..period.
Would you like to come and work for me at my Georgetown office sweety.(heh, heh, heh). Hillary takes off at long periods of time.
nahhhhhhh, i hear you got a dribbling problem ..
Clinton"s popularity was always very high. Still is. I don't understand why you hate them so much, Clinton and Hillary. I never liked Ronald Reagan and now we know he was mentally sick when he was President, always protected by Nancy. But still he is a national hero. I din't like Clinton not going in the army, but is "W"'s record any better? In today N.Y.Times there is an article about W's father, Mr. Baker, the Vicepresident, and W himself conections with certain Carlisle Corp. Read it. Do you read the N.Y.Times?. May be you are right about Gore losing Fla. to the latino vote. But you are confusing latino with cubans. And aren't you ashamed about a little group of immigrants deciding the presidency of the free world. With republicans in control worker will have to work harder and the rich will get richer. About 3 million children go to sleep hungry every day in this country. Did you know that? (How about you, desire?) These are facts you can't deny. Gore's campaign was all show bussiness. After every dabate he was a different person. W is a very lucky man. I wish I had his luck at the poker table. Everything in like has been handed to him and now the presidency. He has been in the right place at the right time with the right father and conections. Clinton was correct on Elian Gonzales. Gore received more votes that W nation wide. You call Ted Kennedy, fat Teddy. Are you overweight? You say that Hillary Clinton, The Senator from N.Y is a lesbian and Janet Reno a dyke. How do you know? What kind of sex do you practice? You seem to be preocupied with the subject. Why don't you comment about the Supreme Court actions and Justice Thomas in particular deciding the election?
Don't you dare point an accusatory finger at me while stating the sad fact that children go to bed in this country hungry. Point that finger at their parents. Nature is cruel. She allows the most inept people to propagate. This, sadly enough, is a fact that niether republicans nor democrats have much power to control. There is no reason that anyone's child should go hungry in this country if the parents would just own up to their responsiblity and shoulder the task of putting their children ahead of their own selfish desires. How are you gonna legislate responsibilty to one's child? Which law would you propose to accomplish that? The only answer to this, as to all ignorance, is education. The willingness to learn, however, is paramount to success, to hunger to advance one's self. But first you must show people that there is a world outside of their own dank foreboding one. One that they are capable of reaching. Combatting hopelessness is a very real problem that begs effort on the part of us all.
desire: good point. I mentioned you because I was surprised that you didn't know about the spanish vote in Fla., So I thought that may be you didn't know about our hungry children. You are concern about the environment, me too. Do you recycle? I do. Education for the poor and ignorant, I agree. Where do you think they have the best chance to get it, from democrats or republicans goverment?
Neither.
N.T.
....could possibly see himself doing Janet Reno?
As far as Nurse Rachet Hillary, Clinton's ex-chief of staff outed her as a muff diver.
As for me, I'm happily married 14 years. My wife and I are hetero - and proud of it. Also, may I say that I vote vagina as being God's greatest creation - how bout you XXX??
he has no manhood
Please, who ever you are, use this forum for expression of ideas, not vulgar insults.
Why don't you comment about the Supreme Court actions and Justice Thomas in particular, deciding the election?
And please, use this forum for expression of ideas, not insults.
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seems to me the Florida election was what it was - a narrow Bush victory. You sound lke a sore loser XXX. I believe a newspaper recounted the ballots in one of the counties all the sore loser democrats were crying that had been stolen from Gore, and it still turned out a Bush victory. Time to move on XXX - the "insult" is when people like you keep tring to re-hash the past because a result didn't turn out the way you wanted it to.
As for Clarence Thomas, he is a fine, upstanding Supreme Court justice, and should be much more worthy of respect as an African-American that has accomplished something with his life - more than cheating on his wife like scumbags Martin Luther King or Jesse (the "spitter" and "Hymie-Town NYC") Jackson.
qqqq
Chuck, Mason and David, This is your site and you have every right to accept posts from whoever you want. I know that doing so is necessary to keep this great site going. Still, as a rational person, I cannot withhold my objection to KJS's post, which features the currently politically correct hate speech, censorship, the attack upon the (spirit of the) 1st amendment. People visit this site to talk about poker. I say keep KJS and his communist attack upon our american ideals out of it.
brad
brad,
You and others continue to misrepresent my argument. I am for MORE speech, not less. I want everyone on this forum and in society in general to register MORE objection to things they disagree with. More protest, more speech, more opinions, more forums. That is my mantra. I am absolutely against censorship in any way shape or form. I know its legacy and repurcussions firsthand. Years ago, I fought vehemently to keep my boss out of jail for selling a magazine. (Bellingham's The Newstand sale of Answer Me! 4 was prosecuted by Whatcom County on obscenity grounds). I don't like religion and did not like being subjected to an ad that I consider part of a prostelytizing culture. That's it. I would prefer to see other ads that aren't associate with religion. That's it. My opinion. I did not say "take it down"; I said I would prefer other types of ads. Those in charge of this site can put up whatever ads they want. I don't have to like them, and I certainly don't have to keep quiet if I don't. To request that I do (as some here have) is censorship of my opinion, and I object to that.
KJS
That earthquake was punishment for your commie, anti-god beliefs. I hope you feel guilty.
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With your statement, Brad, you are representing the "ignorant" american. The mentality of the 50's: if you are against reiligion you must be a comunist, if you are for Unions for the laborer you must be a comunist, if you want Social Security you must be a comunist, etc. Do you need any more examples. Respect KJS opinions, he is not a comunist, he is an atheist in a free country.
why is he against guns?
also, at least i post my name and email address.
brad
No comments.
How many times have I heard an (atheist) non-beleiver mumble "god- damnit" or "Jesus Christ" under his breath after a garbage hand two-pair suckout his pocket Aces on the river. I know I lost count.
So? That doesn't mean anything.
I don't want to make a big deal out of this. It's a bit nitpicky. But I don't feel I should just ignore it either. In his recent Card Player article (the one currently on the Card Player website, Bob Ciaffone says:
On a poker forum, I saw the suggestion (for pot-limit) that you should bet the size of the pot in all situations, to make yourself hard to read.
He goes on to explain why he sees this as a poor idea.
I have no conceptual problem with the article. The problem is that he says, or at least strongly implies, that the idea of uniform bet sizing in PL came from someone on the Forum. But it didn't. I should know because I was the one who brought it up here, not as a suggestion of my own, but in quoting verbatim T.J. Cloutier's recommendation that one should always bet the size of the pot in PL hold'em. (See my two posts, Saturday, 6 January 2001, at 6:59 p.m. and 11:45 p.m., General Theory Forum) At no point did I "suggest" this tactic. I mentioned clearly that others, notably Cloutier, suggested it. And I don't want the credit for it. I don't currently play PL and, accordingly, have made no suggestions here or elsewhere concerning how to play it.
To be fair, the phrase, "I saw the suggestion", is fairly general, and someone else in the thread may have supported Cloutier's recommendation. But it was clear where the idea came from in the thread. And to say, "On a poker forum, I saw the suggestion...", rather than something like, "I understand T.J. Cloutier suggests...", seems a bit misleading, and pins an idea which Ciaffone doesn't like on a poster here (me?) rather than on Cloutier who obviously deserves the "credit". Again, I may be nitpicking a bit here, and this misattribution may have been totally inadvertent on Ciaffone's part. I would like to think it was. I don't know if Ciaffone will care to respond but, either way, I wanted to set the record straight - FWIW.
I noticed this in the BC article also, although I didn't relate it directly to you. Could it be that BC hasn't read TJ's book, or that he doesn't want to take on another CP writer in his column?
I think it's obvious that bet sizing and pot manipulation are important strategies in PL, so betting the size of the pot every time would not be advisable. BC's PL book is far better than TJ's.
Now a question for JF: Wouldn't it be more of a test of your skills to play the O11 PL game than the CC 80?
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John,
Are you posting on this forum in hopes that Mark Glover doesn't see it? ;-))
John
As a matter of fact, I've been anticipating Mark's response with some dread. You see, I forgot the second parenthesis in the first paragraph. I fear I'm dead meat. :-/
Ken,
Hope you survived the shake-up alright. I seem to remember that you live outside Oly. Nothing major here. A bit of shaking up on the 18th floor of a downtown Seattle office building (5th and Pike). No major damage. South Seattle, Tacoma and Oly look much worse off.
KJS
Yeah it was interesting.
Sitting at work and the room shakes and when the roof starts shaking I am wondering if it is coming down. But it stopped a bit later without any damage to work.
At home, some glasses and dishes flew out of the kitchen cabinets. My daughters room looked like a mess since her dresser fell down. Also a few small tv's fell down but didn't break.
And to think we didn't move to California years ago because of earthquakes and didn't realize that this area is almost as bad!
Ken Poklitar
This is a personal thing and you shouldn't read it if you got something better to do.
Did you guys know that you can spell judgment like this or like judgement? It's o.k. really. Do you know which one is considered old english? Did you know that there was a controversy about this very subject involving William safire? now which way do you think he spells it?
vince.
Vince
I don't know how he spells it but I am interested in Your judgement.
Are we getting together for a ham and cheese sandwich the next time you are in town?
Good Luck
Howard
As long as I get to buy!
Vince
Vince,
Either is correct, but I spell it without the e. Of course, what I find hard to believe is that anyone could take you to task for your spelling ;-}
John
Figures you and Safire would spell it wrong even if it's correct. I most be Old English.
vince
Vince,
Actually, you're still talking about modern English not Old English. The Old English word for judgment is "dom." Easy spelling, huh? Also, when you combine "judgment" and "day" in Old English, you get "domesday," or at least a word very similar to that, from which we derive "doomsday." So, "doomsday" is really "judgment day." Glad you asked, no?
John
Go ahead, make my day!
vince
Vince,
I thought you were Old Italian. What happened?
Rick
I'm an Old Italian Liar (OIL). I was just hoping noone noticed my claim to being English. Leave it up to a real Italian wanna be like Rick Almost Italian Nebiolo (RAIN) to.. well, RAIN on my parade and then use OIL to feed the fire. Sheesh!
vince
I just wish more people would get the "your/you're" and "their/there/they're" thing right.
If in doubt, give your former Vice-President a call for spellcheck. What was his name again?
E's are too valuable a letter to waste when they are not required.
JG
Ys, that is vry tru.
John Fny
John Fny? I like that. Yuh. John F-n-y or phonetically it coud be: John Fu-n-ay Pronounouced Funnay or funny but if that were the case I guess it would be "Funny John Fny" or Funny John for short.
vince
On the occasion, let me repost again one of the funniest text I found at the Web.
Zbych, ------------- English Adopted as Official Language of EU!
The European Commission has just announced the agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5 year phase-in-plan that would be known as "Euro-English."
In the first year s will replace the soft c. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy.
The hard C will be dropped in favour of the k. This should klear up konfusion and komputer keyboards kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome ph will be replased with the f. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double leters which have always been a deterent to akurat speling.
Also al wil agree that the horible mes of the silent e in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing the th with z and w wiz v. During ze fifz yer ze unesesary o kan be dropd from vords kontaining ou and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.
After ziz fifz yer ve vil hav a rali sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer.
ZE DREM VIL FINALI KUM TRU! -----------
Bravo!
Any changes in the room lately? Same people still in charge? Is the room still in the same spot? Haven't been around lately.
Yeah the idiots added a line on all tables so if cuz the dealers and some players are to stupid to know where the chips ought to be or IF a hand is mucked.
The food is still comped every few hours but the f--king selfish bastards take truck loads of the stuff so only a small % of the players get fed.
Only yesterday they brought out some tasty looking burgers and plenty of buns for the players to eat the bastards were making tripple and double deckers so the rest of us had nothing to eat - god I hate Chicago and the rotten poker rooms here.
O.K., thanks.
Haven't been around since a dealer thought it strange of me, that a player not be allowed to work crossword puzzles, from a newpaper, while having part of the poker table obscured from my view. According to her I was the problem, for being too "particular". Where in the ENTIRE COUNTRY, is a player allowed to cover a portion of a gaming table, with a newspaper? Geez!
That followed a series of days, when the 10/20 game started. 20/40 had not yet started. A 20/40 player would take a seat in the 10/20 game, play ten minutes, then go to "lunch". That produced a short-handed game, with a list, and a seat locked. The player would return, an HOUR or more later, then QUIT THE GAME. The 20/40 would begin, and that player would play, and later take another "lunch", from that game. There was more than one person, doing that.
Management never came-up with a solution for the horrendous amount of "walking" on the games. Forty and fifty minutes "walking".
Yesterday - I was distracted and missed the guy next to me raise pre flop - I put my bet in the "circle" and noticed the raise - NO ACTION behind me - I was not allowed to pull back my bet - option given to me was fold with the bet in or call the raise I had a marginal hand on the button so I called - dealer was unaware of the action behind concept.
Later - bloody dealer hunched over the table obscuring my view of the 2 seat I was in the 9 seat - I had J2 in an unraised blind with a J77 flop 9-5 turn and river. I did the betting 3 handed. checked to me I just turned my J2 over and said 2 pair no kicker dealer scooped up the hand said it was dead and handed the pot to this guy who had bet and I didn't (couldn't) see. My hand was turned up.
Also the 1/2 assed players there like to show one card to win the pot and dealers let it happen in other worde the board is 4578A player shows a 6 and mucks.
This is crap - like I have been saying Hollywood and Harras would be good sights to build a casino.
Then there is Tony - the guy who balls out players for using off color language. I an not ever going to toke another dealer in that house.
Mike,
It would seem to me that a simple solution would be to not patronize any business establishment where you are not comfortable with the way things are run.
There are those that agree with your observations and those who do not. Personally, while I disagree with the way some things are done at both Casinos, I have found them to be tolerable for myself. If I did not, I would simply choose to travel and play elsewhere, move, or not play at all. I still think the games are excellent and very beatable. I personally believe that to be extremely important and I am willing to put up with some inconveniences to play in them.
Just some thoughts.
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
Mike-
Could you please let me in on which game is excellent and very beatable? I couldn't seem to find one tonight.
Kevin
Any game I am in judging by the way SPM keeps following me around and taking my chips.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
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Don't hold back, Rounder, tell us how you really feel... JOJO, I've only been there once, a little over a year ago. I though it was OK. The dealers were horrible, but that's because they pool tips and there is no incentive to do a good job (did you know that Rounder?). The games were good, but the best part was all the friendly players that went out of their way to show me a good time. Of course I lost my ass on that trip, otherwise I might have given them a better rating.
Rounder, I'd like to say that the one thing I agree with you is that the manager of the East Chicago room is terrible and underqualified as far as I'm concerned. Don't like the management but the games there are phenominal on the weekends. I can put with some of their silly rules as long as the games stay good.
Have a nice day.....
Harrah's has this dealer that comes to Hollywood and is the most abusive to players. I had red Kings in the sb. He was the bb. It was raised by a fairly loose player UTG. I decided to reraise to not only isolate him, but to see just how strong UTG was. The BB called and so did UTG. Flop came 10h Jh 7c. UTG bets out and I raise, BB called. UTG reraised and I capped it. BB folds. Turn comes a Qh. UTG checks, I bet out. River comes a 7h. UTG bets out. I just call. He turns over A2h. I muck. The dealer from Harrah's went off. Calling me names that don't have the correct anatomy to accomplish, even if I were so inclined to commit incest. Seems he had pocket queens that he trashed, and I was the "m----- f------ idiot" that caused him to muck them. I got so furious that..and anyone that knows me, knows I don't take lightly to unkind unwarranted criticism..heh. I was winning over a rack, so I figured rather than play when I was not enjoying the game, I decided to rack up and leave. He called me another profanity and I called for the floor. Lisa, the floor supervisor listened and then told him, "You cannot use profanity in this room, Sir." He responded, and I quote, "So if I were to call her a m---- f----- b---- then that would be considered profanity?" She replied, "Yes it would." He repeated it and asked if she was sure. She told him again, yes. He didn't say anything else and she left the table. He then snarled, "watch your back on your ride home." Which set me off for real now. I called him everything but a first born son, and regretfully this included profanity. (heh) The floor was called over and I was informed that tit for tat was not acceptable either. The next trip, two of the regulars came up to me to greet me and I was blown away when one of them informed me that the guy that had threatened me was a poker dealer at Harrah's. I was even more furious now and spoke to Bob, Hollywood's Manager about it. He had a talk with him the next time he came in, but I was still totally blown away that a poker dealer would act like that. Another reason I won't play Harrah's tho.
desire,
I know of whom you speak. He used to be a “pro” and for a little while ran over the 20/40 games at Harrah’s. But the lady in red is not kind to those who choose to ignore the laws of probabilities, and this particular young buck did not have the bank role to back up his ignorance.
Our insightful floor man, Uncle Bob, once told a story about a man in Vegas who was in a very low limit stud game $1-3, I think. After about an hour he stands up and declares… how can these people be beating me …. I AM A WORLD CLASS PLAYER.. To which Uncle Bob wonders aloud “Where is he dealing now???”
….. obviously at Harrah’s LOL…….
Glad you gave him a piece of your mind… he deserved it.
Just an eggs thoughts.
Thank you, darlin' And about this player, he did seem to be a decent player, the little I had seen him play. And his play of folding the queens was absolutely the correct thing to do. He was beat at that juncture of the game. But I was totally blown away at not only his behavior but the fact that he was a dealer. And by the way, I am not particularly enamored of poker-playing dealers. I think they are treading a thin line. Inviting abuse from players when they are dealing and so on. And I am sure the hollywood regulars have given him his share of grief since then. An awful protective lot, they are.
Mason,
King Solomon is a biblical figure. Reincarnation a buddhist belief. A wonderfully multi-denominational analogy.
heh
In my opinion, 2+2 has the right to do anything they want, and KJS has the right to say anything he wants. For those that are calling KJS a commie, I will bet that they don't know what a comunist is. This is a bet I win.
Last Saturday the Suburban Poker Wife and I celebrated our sixth wedding anniversary. We went to a fine restaurant called Plaza Terrence, they had a band that played 40's music with a young female singer. I love 40's music! We ate with friends and celebrated Mrs. Friends birthday. A great evening had by all. The food was great, dancing was fabulous, it was my kind of music and okay a few too many drinks. However, I do take a total acid blocker and supplement it with a round or two of Pepsid, before any round of heavy drinking. Lest I forget, we had a designated driver. I love my wife, my life, and Texas Hold'em.
So how did I let this happen in just four short days? I don't know who else to talk to about this, the Caveman is out of town. I hope the readers of this post will have a empathetic eye on my words. I'm in love! Like a dumb kid and it isn't even spring. Tonight was our fourth night together, she was in red, a stone cold fox with style. I guess I should take you back to Sunday when I met her.
I was taking a break from the 10-20 Hold'em game at Hollywood Casino in Aurora, IL. The Epic Buffet was still serving brunch the institutionalized way, so I opted for the 50's style cafe, cheese burger, cheese burger, chips...I'm at the counter eating and this breath taking women sits right next to me. I couldn't help but notice she was knock out gorgeous. I was baptized a catholic so if I even have an impure thought, I pay the same price, as if I did it. You catholic's understand. So I swivelled my seat away so I won't think about it...
"Excuse me," she says "are you the SPM?" I think in my head, where's the nearest priest. It turns out she wanted to learn how to play Texas Hold'em. Why she came to me is another story. So she sits behind me the rest of the day and I had the best time and won big. She was funny, she thought I was funny, and the guys at the table were all jealous I'm sure. After the game we had a drink and she thanked me for a good time and that was it.
Until emotional Monday! I walk into the poker room and she was waiting for me, she looked good enough to eat. I wasn't sure what to think so I played it cool. She made my heart pond faster and faster, I thought I was getting an aerobic work out. She stayed and watched for two hours. I showed off some and won five stacks, then she had to go and I was depressed. I went on tilt and left with a much smaller win. I had trouble sleeping all night. I just kept thinking about her, like a love sick kid. I'm too old for this nonsense
When I got to the casino on Tuesday I knew she would be there. She had to be there, I wanted to see her in the worst of ways. I had an edge, I knew where there was a 24 hour confessional. Sure enough she was there and we kept brushing each other like a couple of kids. I couldn't lose, and she couldn't get close enough to see my cards. I asked her to go shopping with me after only four hours of play. So you see I was in deep.
She was there tonight again, we kissed and held hands. I showed her I could beat the Chairman, that sucker soocker mike. I Took one of his stacks and sent him packing! Everyone knew she was with me and no one believed any longer that I was teaching her anything about poker. So you can see it wasn't all my fault that I feel in love with Lady Luck.
SPM,...flirting with the edge...
I am sorry Mr. Mayor for ever having gotten mixed up in the hand with you. I should know when I am overmatched and you put me in my place. I just am grateful you only took some of my chips and not all of them.
I am truly not wanting to get picked on by the celebrity any more so please show some compassion for a poor dumb broken down and humiliated holdem junkie such as myself.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
wow, the best of SPM yet..shows what a complete master of both the english language and life itself the mighty SPM is ...unfortunately...Lady Luck ain't no lady...jmho..gl
Now do you remember the scene in Croc Dundee where he "checked" the old dame for the "right" equipment.
Well I'd give the lady in red the acid test you may be dealing with a tranie - it is one of the only explinations.
Now she asked you to teach her texas hold 'em. I would next have her checked for sanity.
I have seen this woman you speak of. Several of my friends have dated her. Be aware that her favorite form of amusement is taking her new found friends for a ride on the TILT-O-WHIRL in the park in Any2Card Town.
SPM,
By the way - A truly excellent Post.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
I recently strolled into a new city called Any 2 Card Town. It looked like a nice place to visit, with lots of fast looking streets and a lot of nice looking rags laying about in the gutters.
Street after street, I donated to the cause of helping those rags try to reunite with their hidden brothers. And yet, street after street, they remained hidden, and my rags stayed rags.
Only upon leaving Any 2 Card Town did I realize that the high local taxes imposed by the neighbours from the Valley had left me unable to continue my "Rag-Find 2001".
Something as fun as playing Any 2 Cards should be more profitable. Thats what I think. Please stamp my passport so I can have a souvenir of my time in this fine city.
David "Im sure that last 3 is coming" Ottosen
Is it a requirement to be a floorman that you be hard of hearing and inattentive? How many times have you sat at the table while the dealer yells for a floorman, while he stares at the TV or continues talking to a railbird? Don't answer that, I don't really want to know. Why can't these people hear when they are called? It drives me crazy.
Another thing that bothers me is the dealers in LA. Many of them speak very limited English. In a business where "English Only" is the rule, shouldn't a dealer be required to speak english before being hired? I have seen many, many problems caused by the dealer not understanding what a player said, or by a dealer who could not communicate with a player. If the cardrooms are going to hire these people, they should give them a crash course in conversational English.
End of rant.
3-Bet,
What did you say? Speak up next time because I lost my hearing working as a Floorman in the world's noisiest card club (Hollywood Park) :-).
Regards,
Rick
HP isn't even close to the noisiest. The one you just visited is a lot noisier, and so is the Commerce. I'll bet you have some good stories about the HP dealers trying to tell you the facts when you were called to make a decision.
3 Bet,
The Hollywood Park top section isn't too bad but I worked middle section during the day when we were filling games. At HP we called way too many games off the big board near the bathrooms.
I probably had good stories but now that my memory loss (due to old age I think) has set in I forgot them all.
Rick
3 Bet....First of all do you have any kids? If you do then you know how they can be whiney,iritable, and always wanting something. Well put the floorman in your shoes. You start to feel like a high priced babysitter. Believe me when I say this, we know who's doing all the whinning and that's probably why certain people get ignored. Hope you have a better understanding of how we feel at times. We all know that the squeeky wheel get oiled first and some poker players take full advantage.
Have a nice day............
She's a tramp! Her eyes said, I'll never leave you, and now she's gone! An evil low down dirty tramp and she'll always be a tramp! The pain of being ejected from the winning circle, is a low miserable nagging fear, that she may never come back. How can I get her back? As you read these words do you feel my pain. Good! Now I know you have met her and you know how intoxicating she can be.
Was tonight the beginning of a statistical cleansing or just the end of another dance with Lady Luck? The SPM was sleep deprived, and a little on edge when arriving at the casino. Deprived is not, good poker posture. On the alert scale the SPM was under weight. Playing form two Towns and a Valley all at the same time, can be summed up in one word, ridiculous.
SPM,...color me ridiculous...
;)
Sorry no room for the n/t get out of here before they see you.
SPM,...could I get in trouble for this...
I assume that most floormen are former dealers, but once you become a floorman, what is considered the next rung on the "ladder of success" in the casino industry, a shift supervisor over the floormen? If so, then what from there?
There doesn't seem to be a lot of opportunity for upward mobility in the casino industry for dealers or floormen. I've been playing in the L.A. area exclusively for about 11 years, and it seems like a fairly rare event to see a dealer go on to become a floorman(maybe dealers make more money than a floorman because of the tips, which would explain their reluctance to move up.) And the floormen working the daily tournaments where I play are the same people who have been running them for as long as I can remember.
It's a completely different story on the east coast where floormen and dealers routinely change places!!!
Hi Mason: I have problems playing long hours. I do best when I play one day, 7-8 hours and then take 2-3 days off. I'd like to be a pro some day. I don't think I can ever play 40 hours per week. Do you see this as a "you must have" thing. I'd noticed that you post in this forum in the early hours of the morning. Jim Brier too. I guess you both are back from the Casinos and check the forum before going to bed. You both are pros and I guess you play almost every day, that is why I am directing this question to you. If you think that this is a personal information, please ignore the question. No offence.
You have played long enough to know your limitations. Some folks never reach that point. Follow your own mind. From what you posted, if you try "40 hours" a week, you will either go broke, or insane. (BTW there are other players, such as you.)
I usually stay up late (and sleep late), that's why you see me posting at the times that I do. However, I only play part time now, mainly around the weekends, because I have many other projects which keep me busy.
Most pros do take a couple of days off a week and the best ones play a little less than 40 hours a week. Full time professional play is not for everyone, but it can be a good second job for many people.
Hey Mason did you not notice the handle of the original poster of this thread? *XXX* Now, what would the misses think?
Vince
Thank you Mason, to me you are an OK guy. Good luck to you in your weekend's game.
In my post below I ask MM and JB a direct question about playing long hours. I'd like to extend the same question to everyone in this forum, since I need help on this subject.
Binion's World Poker Open starts later this month. Did you go to the last one? How was it? It is the only big tournament, I can get to, from Ohio, so I'm thinking of going.
The New England Poker Classic takes place at about the same time at Foxwoods in SE CT. Buyins from $100-500, 11 events, March 28 - April 7.
The action at the WPO was very good last year from what I hear, and will include more big action than FW I'm sure. So, if you're looking for 25-50 blind PL and multiple games in the 100-200 and up range, go to WPO. If you're looking for 20-40 and such, FW is a good place during tourney time (the rest of the year the games are pretty tight, IMO).
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
No, we have not named a week in honor of esteemed 2+2 poster Jim Brier. He has merely borrowed his last name from the greatest sports and entertainment week in Canada: the Canadian Men's Curling Championship a.k.a. The Brier.
I suspect I will have lost the 'Merican audience by this point, but skp, Dave Ottosen, OhKanada, and the rest of the Canucks are no doubt reading with rapt attention.
For the great unwashed around the world, what sporting event do YOU have to match a 10-day extravaganza that fills NHL sized arenas nightly, has 10 hours a day of live national TV coverage, and a TV audience for the finals that is higher than the Super Bowl, Grey Cup, or for that matter, most of the Stanley Cup playoff games. I suppose I will hear from someone extolling the virtues of the Westminster Dog Show or something like the World Cup, but this is Canadiana, boys.
The obvious chalk picks are Middaugh and Burtnyk, of course, but being a tried and true Alberta boy, I'm all over Dave Nedohin, Randy Ferbey and the Alberta crew. Ferbey won 3 times with Pat Ryan, so he will be able to calm the rink down early in the week, and their Tour experience should get them into the playoffs. Once there, it's a shootout.
Pull up the La-Z-Boy and crack out the suds. Brier week is here!
nt
x
Huh?...ya, the Brier...say, why is it that the world's most exciting and boring games are both played on ice?...lol...I have tried to be a curling fan but just can't get there probably because I don't have the foggiest as to the strategic aspects of the game or sport or whatever you want to call it.
BTW, just what the hell are they constantly yelling about:o)
the yank conterpart that would watch your curling(brooming a bucket across the ice) watches the morning cooking shows:-).
My bookie in Texas, the ninnie, just gave me a blank stare.
Dunc,
You might be interested to know that we almost had a regular PP player and 2+2 lurker in the brier. He lost in the final for his province.
I will let you guess who it is.
Skp might know.
Adam.
ffff
"For the great unwashed around the world, what sporting event do YOU have to match a 10-day extravaganza that fills NHL sized arenas nightly, has 10 hours a day of live national TV coverage, and a TV audience for the finals that is higher than the Super Bowl, Grey Cup, or for that matter, most of the Stanley Cup playoff games."
Mardi Gras!
Vince
I'm too exhausted over the women's final to watch the brier just yet. After watching the surprisingly sexy Kelly Law continually yelling "harder" while Colleen Jones is holding that big broom.... I need a week off.
Eh...curling isn't my #1 sport to watch, but I watch it out of obligation (kind of like eating perogies in Edmonton or playing poker in Vegas; you might or might not enjoy it but you have to do it to fit in).
I always root for Alberta...whoever it is?!
I met up with Lady Luck this afternoon in the 15-30 hold'em game. At first she was a little upset with me, over my last post. My chips were flying into the center of the table but they had no return ticket. She told me, no one holds her attention forever! I said I was sorry and she got me even, then up, then out the door with many stacks.
As I was driving home something she said came back to me. "I like to hang out with tight and aggressive players." So I thought about it and it hit me like a ton of bricks. Get in shape, and bring a whip! Well I'm off to the health club, anybody know where I can buy a whip. I hope I see her again to night at the game. Yes, today is a double header.
SPM,...another winning week, stay tune for the approaching Statistical Cleansing...
SPM,
Looks like you continued your winning ways again tonight - somewhat at my expense I might add. By the way, I find it challenging to understand how you are the Mayor of Any Two Card Town playing only 1 hand every 74 minutes. Or was tonight simply a night off for the Mayor???
Please help us poor (really poor) dumb folk understand. Also, why do you keep following me around and playing in the same games I do?!?!?!?!?
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
:-)
Friday night SPM was the only representitive of any2CT in our tough game.He set a poor example for this berg.He is in emminent danger of being impeached.He is definately vying for a leadership role in the VOP as he only played any 2 cards ,if the were BIG and only if they were SUITED. Whats up with that.
:- )
KJS, how come you didn't followed up your stand in this issue? Don't you think that remarks made by some players deserve an answer?
His post did not merit an answer - I too am an atheist but I don't care what banners show up on any site god inspired or not. If KJS was a real atheist he would just ignore the Jesus ad as atheists don't beleive there is a god anyway.
I say let 2+2 plaster any ads up they want without comment from us.
Rounder,
I fail to see a connection between ones belief in god and their stance on advertising. We may agree on one, but don't on the other. I did not know there was a proper way for "real atheists" to respond to advertising. I guess I will have to turn my atheism card in to the proper authorities :)
KJS
Maybe buy a big fancy building elect a leader and meet once a week say on sundays to listen to our leader tell us how atheists should act and treat one another.
Nah let's not and say we did.
:-)
XXX,
I feel that I reinterated my point numerous time to numerous posters. I figured that I made myself clear and thus could let the discussion die a natural death. These things have to end at some point, and it seemed that the discussion was between a small minority of people and was beginning to digress into name calling and whatnot. If people want to discuss it more, they are free to email me.
KJS
You guys are way ahead of me.
KJS, you may hear from me in the future.
Good luck to both of you.
When you remove a post, for whatever reason, are exercising censorship? Are suppressing freedom of speach?
Should read: Are you exercising censorship? Are you suppressing fredom of speach?
It's their BB - freedom of speech does not apply to private areas like this bb - Of course that is just my opinion.
You are not allowed to stand in a crowded movie theatre and yell "Fire." That's basically all we try to do. We have posting guidelines that are very reasonable, and we try to only delete a minimum of posts. We do this to keep these boards vibrant, and it has worked very well. I think that you will agree that quality of information that gets exchanged on Two Plus Two is extremely high, all points of view are represented, and if you are serious about poker/gambling, it is well worth your time to come here.
As an avid reader (but infrequent poster) I appreciate the fact that they've edited out personal flame-wars and other crap that would waste my time. (I assume that's what they're deleting, because I read plenty of stuff that challenges Mason or David and that stuff seems to be replied to and discussed. If that were summarily removed, it would indeed be something to worry about, but that doesn't seem to be the case.) I say: keep up the good work.
Dear Mason,
Bravo. I echo your sentiments vociferously. Not only is there an abundant of differing opinions offered here, but we get the privilege of having the best minds in poker address our questions personally. I still am pinching myself that it's free :)).. and I thank you and all the insightful minds that are so generous with their time and talent in responding to us all. Keep up the good work..and again, thank you.
:-)
i am making sure i fill in my poker and gambling library by including all 2+2 works..although i only have 2 or 3 to go,...this is a great bargain,thanks...
I like the 2+2 policy of deleting posts that are offensive and have no meaningful poker content. Just as I would not want to live in a society that has no laws, I don't want to participate in a forum that has no rules or processes that civilized human beings agree to follow.
If you read the Terms & Conditions listed on the left, you will see what you are agreeing to when you use this forum. It appears to me that the only posts that get removed are personal attacks. On the other hand, disagreement stays on if it is appropriately expressed.
Personally, I am grateful for this forum. It has enhanced my poker experience and improved my play. I am so glad it has not degenerated into an arena for abusiveness and obscenity.
Keep up the outstanding work Chuck, David, Mason, Ray and all others who keep this forum working.
Each web site must be a country of it's own. Some are free sites others are not. All are run by the Dictators who create them. So I guess this web site is not a free speach country.
SPM,...deal with it...
just like religious groups who migrate to escape discrimination...first thing they do is set up a system that is biased for them...nothing like a little home cooking...jmho...gl all..
Cesspool! Yes that's right I said cesspoll! I was over on "Google" lst night viewing the rgp forum. Google is getting better. You can read but you still can't post. They say that's coming. Anyway, back to cesspool.
"Cesspool: an underground reservoir for liquid waste." Just so we know what were taliking about here I've looked up cesspool in websters and this is the result. Like I was saying I was over on rgp. I noticed a post by Steve Badger that had 2 + 2 in the title. I opened it and read Badger's usual whining remarks. He is complaining about SmoothB writing falsities about him. In the body of his whine he refers to 2 + 2 as a cesspool. I was going to reply with something like :"Yes we at 2 + 2 have had our problems with disparging posters. Fortuantely we are weeding them out. For example we no longer have the insecure whining Steve Badger posting on 2 + 2. Thank god for small favors" But google doesn't allow me to make a reply.
What is interesting is that he admits that he hasn't played Holdem since Tday last year and he was raked over the coals when he played. I wonder if he is a winning ring game player at all. If not, well, so much for his advice.
Anyway I do take exception with him calling 2 + 2 a cesspool and the use of the word scumbag towards posters here. But I beleive he shows his true insecure self by attacking with vulgaries and inuendos those that would expose his inferiority in his self proclaimed poker expertise.
He is the true cesspool dweller and must be attempting to deflect the knowledge of his roots towards others. Perhaps he needs understanding and forgiveness. So I say:"It's o.k Steve. It's not your fault. I forgive you"
vince
I have not read Badger's posts over on rgp since I don't like rgp and cannot post anything over there now that "google" has taken over deja.
Badger has his own inimitable style but the thrust of his criticisms regarding SmoothB's post was valid in my opinion. We can all have disagreements over how to play this complex game and learn from each other in the process. But personal attacks on a fellow poker player have no place on this forum.
When Badger was posting here, I found many of his posts to be interesting and informative although I did not agree with some of his analysis. The fact that he ran bad in Hold'em and has not played in awhile does not mean that he is not an excellent player nor does it mean that he is not worth listening to.
Use this site:
http://www.mailgate.org/rec/rec.gambling.poker/index.html
"The fact that he ran bad in Hold'em and has not played in awhile does not mean that he is not an excellent player nor does it mean that he is not worth listening to."
To a point. But after you run bad for let's say six months or 1000 hours of playing, much less against weak players, you have to discount this player's expertise.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I could care less about Badger's poker advice. However, there are those that respect this whining clown. He was razzed by some guy on this forum and he continues to denigrate everyone that posts here. The problem with that is that he is a poker author and listened to by lot's of folk in the poker community. If he wants to attack SmoothB, someone whose posts I never open, that's fine. But what right does he have to include the rest of us in his silly ego saving attacks. He's a piece of work that I don't need in my life. As a regular poster on 2 + 2 I feel I have theright to criticize him for his remarks.
"The fact that he ran bad in Hold'em and has not played in awhile does not mean that he is not an excellent player nor does it mean that he is not worth listening to."
The only evidence we have to his live game expertise is his own admittance that he got destroyed last Tday. Besides that his claim to fame that can be verified is in the world of Tournaments. For all we know he never plays above 3-6 and may never have ahad a significant winning period. If you want to follow his advice then have at it.
vince
Nokia's cup is physically and visually such a disappointment compared to the BIG BRASS KAHUNA Cup Labatt provided.
Middaugh easily the odds on favorite, he and his rink have demonstrated over the past few years in playdowns, skins and cashspiels that they are the dominant force.
Burtnyk's rink is a close second, any team that makes it out of Manitoba is always a good bet.
Guy (Dat was de worst shot I never threw) Hemmings. Lets hope he does well. Why? The better he does the more TV exposure he gets, his personality, likability and overall presence makes him the BEST sports personality. BAR NONE.
Russ Howard announcing? Russ, how could you not make it out of New Brunswick? Russ's biggest challenge for this brier will be to show restraint by not telling Vic Router to shut his hole everytime he says something stupid.
AL, the iceman, Hackner, welcome back, lots of things have changed since the you were at the show last.
Randy Ferbey, huh Randy who? What did you do poison Kevin Martin?
Yukon/NWT. Even with the help of the great ice sheets of the newly formed Nunivit you guys don't stand a chance.
Doesn't matter who wins, we will still kick Scotland's ass at the worlds.
One more thing:
It's always a disappointment when TSN drops out for the playoffs and CBC with Don and Don take over. PURE CRAP!!!!!!!!!
Jodder,
It would be a very quiet telecast if Router was not allowed to say anything stupid. The man is the worst sports anouncer of all time, and it's not even close.
Adam.
AT least Duguid is now toast. If you watched the Scott finals last week, you will note that Duguid has been replaced with a combo of Mike Harris and Joan McCusker. Much better IMO. But you're right about Don Whitman.
Ferbey was no upset getting out of Alberta. They lost a heartbreaker two years ago to Ken Hunka and have been consistent top money winners on the Tour the past few years. 3-0 start, although I think they were well on their way to losing this morning.
Saskabush beat them this morning, but they were tied 2-2 with Middaugh after 3 ends this afternoon (so I watched a bit at lunch..).
As long as Middaugh doesn't win, Im happy.
eh..
Don't mock us, scalf!
You must find something interesting, or you wouldn't be bothered reading, UN-HUH?
Mr. Chairman, you raised the question in one of your posts as to why players follow you from game to game. I would like to respond to that question as well as ask the twoplustwo universe for help and suggestions on how I might change my approach in attempting to steal your big blind on a regular basis as I have done so successfully against "just another egg's" big blind. Which by the way I plan to continue to do. Sorry, "just another egg", but it just feels so good to get your big blind. Now, if I could only figure out a way to get the Chairman's big blind.
Every time I play in the game with you Mr. Chairman, it is an education as well as a pleasure for me. What I lose to you is a small price to pay for the entertainment you provide me and all the other players at the table because you are a gentleman, a scholar and a true professional of the game. To witness your brillant play and manuverablity in the game is a dream all players like myself hope to someday achieve. It makes people like the Professor, Sklanski,Malmouth and Yamamotto famous because you are the type of player they write about and live off of by your achievements in the game of poker.
My compliments to you Mr. Chairman and please don't be surprised if you continue to see players fighting with each other to get in the same game you are in. I find it an honor to play with the one, if not the only, local poker great we have in the State of Illinois. Sorry Professor, it had to be said.
Saying all that I have, I STILL WANT YOUR BIG BLIND Mr. Chairman. So twoplustwo audience help me find a way to accomplish this goal by offering what ever suggestions that you can. Feel free to go after the Chairman's big blind on your own, you may find it as rewarding and challenging I have.
My experience as of late with the Chairman has been very disappointing. He has been letting players walk all over him. Friday, I saw Slick Bobby G, rape and pilage the Chairman's chips. He finlly went home with his tail between his legs.
It broke my heart to see this, as the Chairman has always been one of my idols. Maybe he has been spending too much time in Vegas with all the easy games they have. Holloywood Casino in Aurora, IL has a large school of fish that love to eat sharks.
But back to your question. Try calling him on his cell phone just before the last card is dealt. When he answers make sure the dealer mucks his hand. Maybe this will work for a few rounds. I don't have his cell number, but I'm sure you can get it.
SPM,...hero's come and go...
there will always be a SPM...gl
:-(
you can check out, but...you can never leave...go you mighty SPM...GO..
Marauder
I was very disappointed that you now have placed the Chairman above me no matter how much the truth hurts. I think you should stop trying to steal the Chairmans blind or you will wind up like all the rest of us with no money. No-one has succeeded in outplaying the Chairman so most have given up or are now playing$2.50-5.00 holdem. I would redirect my blind stealing to players who are unable to play but please don't include me since i can't play.Why not save money by not attacking his blind and then use the money to take him out to lunch. Thats what i did and am now losing my money at a much slower rate to him.I found that to be quite profitable. Good luck Marauder. Lar
Big Al, a hold'em player from Holloywood Casino sent me these internet jocks to me. Al says these are pretty funny........worth reading! Hope you injoy them. SPM
And what is your most embarrassing moment?........
I walked into a hair salon with my husband and three kids in tow and asked loudly, "How much do you charge for a shampoo and a blow job?" - Melinda Lowe, 39, Seguin, TX
Pad, please! An insurance man visited me at home to talk about our mortgage insurance. He was throwing a lot of facts and figures at me, and I wanted to follow as best I could, so I told my 6-year-old son to run and get me a pad. He came back and handed me a Kotex right in front of our guest. - Kathy Newman,46,Winston-Salem, NC
Ho, Ho, Ho I was taking a shower when my 2-year-old son came into the bathroom and wrapped himself in toilet paper. Although he made a mess, he looked adorable, so I ran for my camera and took a few shots. They came out so well t hat I had copies made and included one with each of our Christmas cards. Days later, a relative called about the picture, laughing hysterically, and suggesting I take a closer look. Puzzled, I stared at the photo and was shocked to discover that in addition to my son, I had captured my reflection in the mirror - wearing nothing but a camera! Name Withheld
Lady Golfer I was at the golf store comparing different kinds of golf balls. I was unhappy with the women's type I had been using. After browsing for several minutes, I was approached by one of the good-looking gentlemen who works at the store. He asked if he could help me. Without thinking, I looked at him and said, "I think I like playing with men's balls." - Colleen Collins,31, Ferndale, MI
Nuts about You.. My sister and I were at the mall and passed by a store that sold a variety of nuts. As we were looking at the display case, the boy behind the counter asked if we needed any help. I replied, "No, I'm just looking at your nuts." My sister started to laugh hysterically, the boy grinned, and I turned beet-red and walked away. To this day, my sister has never let me forget. Faye Emerick,34, Ellerslie, MD
Na-na na-na na-nah! While in line at the bank one afternoon, my toddler decided to release some pent-up energy and ran amok. I was finally able to grab hold of her after receiving looks of disgust and annoyance from other patrons. I told her that if she did not start behaving "right now" she would be punished.To my horror, she looked me in the eye and said in a voice just as threatening,If you don't let me go right now, I will tell Grandma that I saw you kissing Daddy's pee-pee last night!" The silence was deafening after this enlightening xchange. Even the tellers stopped what they were doing.I mustered up the last of my dignity and walked out of the bank with my daughter in tow. The last thing I heard when the door closed behind me were screams of laughter. Amy Richardson;Stafford, Virginia
Surprise! It was the day before my eighteenth birthday. I was living at home, but my parents had gone out for the evening, so I invited my girlfriend over for a romantic night alone. As we lay in bed after making love, we heard the telephone ring downstairs. I suggested to my girlfriend that I give her a nude piggyback ride to the phone. Since we didn't want to miss the call, we didn't have time to get dressed. When we got to the bottom of the stairs, the lights suddenly came on and a whole crowd of people yelled, "SURPRISE!" My entire family: aunts, uncles, Grandparents, cousins and all my friends were standing there. My girlfriend and I were frozen in a state of shock and embarrassment for what seemed like an eternity. Since then, no one in my family has planned a surprise party again. Tim Cahill, Poughkeepsie, New York
Priceless One of the funniest "most-embarrassing-moment" stories I've come upon in a long time was about a lady who picked up several items at a discount store. When she finally got up to the checker, she learned that one of her items had no price tag. Imagine her embarrassment when the checker got on the intercom and boomed out for all the store to hear, "PRICE CHECK ON LANE THIRTEEN, TAMPAX, SUPER SIZE." That was bad enough, but somebody at the rear of the store apparently misunderstood the word "Tampax" for THUMBTACKS." In a business-like tone, a voice boomed back over the intercom. "DO YOU WANT THE KIND YOU PUSH IN WITH YOUR THUMB OR THE KIND YOU POUND IN WITH A HAMMER?"
Mom's Advice A teacher noticed that a little boy at the back of the class was quirming around, scratching his crotch and not paying attention. She went back to find out what was going on. He was quite embarrassed and whispered that he had just recently been circumcised and he was quite itchy. The teacher told him to go down to the principal's office. He was to phone his mother and ask her what he should do about it. He did it and returned to his class. Suddenly, there was a commotion at the back of the oom. She went back to investigate only to find him sitting at his desk with his penis hanging out. "I thought I told you to call your mom." she screamed. "I did," he said, "And she told me that if I could stick it out till noon, she'd come and pick me up from school." Chris Vaught
classic. Absolutely classic.
What are Ray Zee credentials? Ray Zee is an unknown name to me.
From what I understand, he has won more money playing poker then just about anyone in the history of the game.
He also is a world class player in many games, not just one.
He also is the author of the greatest book ever written on hi/lo poker. The co-author of the greatest book ever written on 7-stud.
Best of all is the fact that this world class player of many games, is kind enough to post some of his insights on this forum.
Good Luck
Howard
mmf, as an opponent, nice guy otherwise....jmho
The new 4 billion aircraft carrier right name should have been **Jimmy Carter** A great President, a Navy man and a good poker player.
There is already a USS Jimmy Carter!!!!!
USS Ronald Reagan caps are available on newsmax.com.
Why did it take so long to honor the man who won the cold war?
what we need are 2 + 2 caps(with a lot of spaghetti)..
n/t
CNN reported that the Ronald Reagan Aircraft carrier is the first carrier named after a living president. Are you sure 1: That there is an aircraft carrier named after Jimmy Carter or 2: Jimmy Carter is aliv. ?? I think they just prop pillows behind his back and make it look like he's napping.
Carter is a lot of things including a great EX-president but no one has ever accused him of being a "great president"
I never heard before that a ship was named after our great president Jimmy Carter, I took the information as true, like I didn't know that in reference to an ex presidente, I would have to state every time I named him, that he is not in office at the present time. I believe everything. I am learning from every one, every day.
I was distinguishing between Carter the below average president and above average EX-President.
Can you grasp that concept.
nt
Jimmy Carter was acused of everything during the four years he was president, by the same people that acused Bill Clinton today. Why? Because they are only happy when a republican to the "right" is in charge. Well, they got "W" for four years now, but no longer.
Boy you have a bad memory re carter - and don't be so quick to underestimate "W" - he is a good guy and will do a great job. I think it will be a long time before the democRATS have any power in D.C. - they will be feling the effects of the corrupt president for a long long time.
GOP will have the house and White house for a long time unless the democrats get smart and fast.
Corrupt is a very strong word for president Bill Clinton, but I don't expect different from any republican. Always using extreme words attacking the man, and staying away from the issues. Democrats have all the right causes. You are against abortion, right? Have no fear, W will change the Supreme Court to your approval.
Corruption is usually a word reserved for criminals like clinton. He has been lying to us for many years on a regular basis and you lemmings still follow the jackoff - too bad.
BTW I am an atheist but would like to see less abortions after the 1st trimester.
Hi everyone or anyone,
I need some help. I have been trying to post a response to Steve Badger on rgp but have not been able to do so. Could one of you that know how, please post the following under Badgers thread titled 2 + 2 Cesspool backs up again.
Steve Badger posted the following: “He (Vince Lepore) then concocts any even stupider fantasy about me getting "raked over the coals" in some mythical Holde'm ring game on Thanksgiving.
Badger is correct I made that statement. But I made it because of the following excerpt from a prior Badger posting on rgp. In it he says and I quote: “I haven't played Holdem since Thanksgiving day at the Bike,” in the same paragraph he states: “Ken Goldstein, Kevin Song, Daniel Negreanu (who busted me)”. I may have misunderstood but from the way he words the action in this paragraph it appears that these three busted him on Thanksgiving day. Those are his words not mine. Yet he calls me all kind of names for in effect repeating what he says.
This is typical of the whiney boy we know as Steve Badger. He must denigrate anyone that criticizes him. He refers to an attack by SmoothB, a poster on 2 + 2 that I refuse to read, as representative of all 2 + 2 posters. He calls me "scumbag and other niceties." Mason Malmuth is his normal target for these types of remarks. Of course it is obvious that with Mason, Badger’s reason is one motivated by jealousy. With me it is less understandable since I am a low life scumbag in his opinion. Why does he bother? He also states in his post:” For months I tried to be nice to Vince, even spoke to him at length at the last TOC,." Our encounter at the TOC was comprised of me introducing myself and him politely saying hi and then bye. He was in a tournament and din't want to be bothered. I guess that’s his idea of talking at length.
I am replying to his silly post just to set the record straight. I wouldn’t bother answering this guy except that some people in the poker community make the mistake of listening to him and accepting what he says as gospel. Evidence: “That said despite the fact that I totally believe Badger and find it despicable that Vince or anyone else would stoop to degrading him through lies, especially dumb ones that can easily be refuted by Badger's whereabouts. “ This last quote came from none other than LEE MUNZER in his reply to his comrade Steve Badger. I guess “birds of a feather” is a truism.
Badger is a despicable individual. He has a deep hatred for the 2 + 2 hosts and takes every opportunity to ridicule those of us that are loyal to that site. His personal hatred has overcome his ability to be objective. In short, he stinks!
Vince
x
Thank you minister.
vince
"He calls me "scumbag and other niceties ... since I am a low life scumbag in his opinion."
Don't worry Vince, Charmaine thinks you are very nice.
"Don't worry Vince, Charmaine thinks you are very nice"
Nothing else matters!
Vince
Mason:
Don't let this jealous envious malcotent bother you, or look at this way>>>>
1.)You have a successful website here (extremely educational)
2.)You have a profitable book publishing company
3. You are a successful mid-limit player(practicing what you and David preach and teach.
Steve Badger sees all of this and dwells in bitter envy and jealousy===5 to 1 odds says he like to be in both your shoes and David's as of this moment, I really dont think Steve B. has really ever grasped the true fundamentals of hold"em and his results over the last year has left a bitter taste in his mouth. Some people can't except the blame for their failures.
For Mr. A.K.A.:
Thanks for the support. That's very close to the way I see it.
Mason
I bet A.K.A. is not an alais for David Sklansky.
vince
I think you've extrapolated a lot of information from the word _busted_ that I would not have. Example: yesterday, I dropped in on a game for a bit and after being up and down for a bit, lost my $1000 buyin and went home because I didn't care to play anymore. I wouldn't call that busted. The other night I was playing in a tournament and as we wound down, all my money went in from the big blind with a KJ and my opponent had sevens. No K or J came and I was BUSTED out in 15th. See the difference? I'm not saying this is for sure to what he was referring, but when I hear the word _busted_, the first thing I think is tournament not ring game. Also I would have a hard time reconciling a story where someone is playing at the limits that KevinS and DanielN play, but at the same time was getting abused by LL players.
JG
http://www.mailgate.org/rec/rec.gambling.poker/index.html
Remember: Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Hey Jim I didn't extrapolate anything. Busted was his term not mine. I may have misunderstood what he was saying but that frequently happens when trying to pin Badger down on any subject. Try it you will see. Also if you think about it he just may have been referring to getting knocked out of a tournmanet by these guys. When I first read his post I thought he was referring to a live game. If he got in a live game with Daniel Negreanu I fully expect it to be a high limit game. There is nothing inconsistent in my remarks. Badger could indeed get raked over the coals at both high and low limits.
That was not the point of my post. The point was that Badger is a big shit who attacks people that disagree with him with lies and inuendos. And some poker people, apparently you included, listen to him.
vince
> And some poker people, apparently you included, listen to him..
Heh.
JG
"Heh"
Well, let's see. You respond to my post with comments regarding the word "busted" and then explain how I must have read something into what Badger said. The purpose of this thread was to expose Badger for the weasel he is. He, Badger, attacked every regular poster on this forum because some clown made a remark about him here. I personally found that offensive.
From your "Heh" I take it you don't understand how I could extrapolate that you listen to Badger in the same way Munzer does. Well, I made that comment because your reply completely ignored the point of my post and made a comment that appeared to be in defense of Badger on a side issue which diverted attention from the main point I was making. I hope that's clear even if it is a little warped.
Vince
I also took offense and I am glad that you stood up for yourself and posted a reply to him. Well done Vince.
Well Gee Mark, thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one on this forum that find the remarks of Badger, a noted poker authority, offensive.
Again thank you.
vince
The statement that I "listen to him" is sooo far off base I don't know who is laughing harder, me or Badger. It's too bad deja is in transition or possibly dead as we know it, or I could point you to some good rgp threads. But I took issue with one word and you went off the deep end. Even though for some sick reason I can simultaneously get along with Badger and others, your saying that I'm some sort of disciple is ludicrous. I may be civil, but I'm occasionally at the forefront of the wars with him on rgp and it's been that way for several years. Any list of Badger's top-five thorns in his side would definitely include me(probably rounding it out: Jaeger, TomW, Gary & Lord Zuckerman -- MM, DS, et al are pikers compared to us). Which is why I got a good laugh out of your statement I excerpted in my response. Anyway, I guess you don't really follow rgp or have much historical perspective on the internet poker flame wars, so I don't take it personally. And just to bug you, I'll continue to try to be civil to everyone, even you. :) Anyway, there's got to be a better use for the *.* forum than what's Badger saying.
JG
"I'll continue to try to be civil to everyone, even you"
That's big of you especialy considering I am always civl towards you.
Vince
"But I took issue with one word and you went off the deep end. "
Now you atre being silly just like Badger. took issue with a non relevant part of the posting. Who the hell cares what the word "busted" literally means? You diverted the discussion which I found important away from the fact that Badger the stink farm that he is is broadcasting over the net that posters of this forum are terds in a cesspool. That to me is offensive and uncalled for. It would not matter if it came from a recognized looney. But Badger is listened to because he knows a little about poker. Ask Lee Munzer who took Badger at his word when he was blatantly lying. He called me a liar for played Holdem last Tday. I didn't lie I got my information from his post where he says that the last time he played Holdem was on Thanksgiving. Yet since he said I was lying that idiot Lee Munzer called my actions despicable on Badgers word. So excuse me if I got upset at your comment but quite frankly I was "upset already" and if you think I went off the deep end that's your problem.
vince
I was absolutely right about his use of the word BUSTED. Scanning rgp he stated that he was in fact referring to a tournament he played on rgp. So the whole thing you're going off on me about I was right.
JG
You are an idiot! Bust this!
Vince
Vince, FWIW I also felt Badger was out of line making blanket "cesspool" statements about this site, rather than criticizing individuals. And I imagine Jim did too. (I can speak for him, cuz I've reflected on it good 'n plenty, and cuz I can relate to his schoolin'.) I also suspect lots of others did too. I (and undoubtedly Jim and many others) also felt he was out of line to accuse you of lying. Anyone who's followed your posts even a little should have a strong clue that while you could of course mistinterpret something, you would not make up lies about someone just to get at them in some internet disagreement. Badger was clearly furious about the SmoothB post and what followed (justifiably so if SmoothB's story was fabricated), and counter-attacked in his characteristic style. By jumping in when you did, I think you stirred and then got caught in his continuing wave of anger, and were name-called and accused beyond what might have been the case from a calmer Badger. Well, something like that. Mebee I need to study on it... err... reflect on it a mite more.
I just want to point out that even though I did leave the first SmoothB thread up since by the time I saw it there were already 20 responses, I did delete two other threads. One was by SmoothB and one was by someone else. Badger very strongly objected to both of these (additional) threads which most of you probably never saw. (It seems like he is lurching on our site a lot, but that's fine with us.) So I take issue with his claim that we are not acting in a responsible manner. I also deleted several counter attack posts by Badger as well as two or three others.
Badger is obviously very sensitive to anything that anyone says about him, and I don't see much benefit for our site when someone responds to him in a critical manner even if they feel thay have a right to do so because of his (Badger) posts. Again, it is our purpose to have good poker/gambling discussions where top quality information is exchanged plus a little fun, and it doesn't do anyone of us any good to get bogged down in these type of exchanges.
I should know since in the poker/Internet world I'm sure that I have been attacked more than anyone. But these attacks have never tarnished my reputation nor have they they diminished the success of this site. I believe that the reason is simply that high quality information speaks for itself.
So let us all keep that in mind when we view this negative stuff. Eventually Badger should cool down and look back at the nagative posts that he is currently objecting to so strongly and realize that they like many other things we aren't too happy about will pass, and that life goes on, and that there are positive contributions to make.
Also Mason what alot of posters here dont realize is that not only is this site educational and entertaining but its sole purposes is to increase the mid-limit tables and action (full tables) as John Feeny mentioned in his book (Inside the Poker Mind) whereas minimum wage hold'em has really no profit long term and the high limits not to many people have the bankroll. Middle limit Holdem is truly on the rise.
I'll take your comments one step further. It's fairly easy to win at minimum wage. All you need to do is learn to play very tight and then sit in a low limit game, especially one with a small ante structure, against people who don't have a clue. There are a lot of games like that.
But if you want to win at $30 per hour, which is what I consider minimum expert level, you will have your work cut out for you. That's what these forums are about.
Oh, stop it, F. Kissing up to Vince won't do any good. It's only a matter of time before he finds a reason to tear into you.
;o)
You know, that's a fascinating point, Brett. (though I'm sure Vince is much too much of a gentleman to *really attack me) And may I say how interesting and insightful I find *all of your intelligent, well thought out, and very informative posts? You know, I just don't think we often get the chance to express our heartfelt appreciation for those posters who go out of their way to three bet me on the fl...err... to educate, inform, and yes, even entertain here in poker-cyberspace. Thanks Brett. Love ya, man. (Oh, and may see you Wednesday unless you've moved on to God knows where in this apparent "Then Came Bronson" lifestyle of yours.)
That loud clicking sound you hear is the mass exodus of all the under 40 readers of this forum who have no idea what you are talking about. At any rate, you are too late to take any more money from me directly, since I have moved on (IGHN). Indirectly, all you have to do is win some of it from Moosie (sp?).
Since when do I need a reason?
vince
Vince,
Welcome to the "Badger Discard Club". Stick to picking on Zee he's more fun anyway!!!
ukw
IHOWE?
,,,
Is His Own Worst Enemy or whatever you think fits better.
coma, according to wyatt earp movie on tnt this afternoon, is where wyatt's ashes were placed...lucky chances...bullet never hit earp'''
Vince,
I notice from your postings that you have a serious dislike for me. Why is that? I've always thought that you were a really cool guy. Can we make amends?
Rememer the poem I wrote in your honor? It was called 'Ode to Vince Lepore'. You told me that you liked it.
Let's bury the hatchet, shall we?
-SmoothB-
SmoothB, you got it all wrong. It's not that Vince doesn't like you, NOBODY likes you.
You are a whiney, condescending, know-it-all that tries to come off as a poker expert, while anyone who knows anything about the game sees right off from the content of your posts that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Then when someone with some actual knowledge and experience corrects your misinformation, you go into flame mode.
SmoothB just so you know, you are a joke and just about everyone reads your posts sees it.
I do not read SmmothB for one reason and one reason only. It has nothing to do with his poker expertise or lack of it. I recall an interchange he had with another poster in which he made rather vulgar remarks towards that posters family members. I don't appreciate that kind of thing. I requested that he appologize to the other poster and the forum for his remarks or count me out of as a reader of his posts. He never bothered to apologize. I still stand by that decision even though his recent haranguing of Badger did my heart good I will not be a part of things I find truly inappropriate. Calling someone elses family vulgar names is one of them.
vince
Charmaine and I and a couple of friends went to see The Mexican. We all thought it was awful. It was like a low class "Pilp Fiction" if you can imagine such a thing.
My visiting brother and I ducked out of the rain to see "Snatch" today. Does anyone have any idea what this movie was supposed to be about? Is "Lock, Stock and Smoking Barrel" or whatever it's called (done by the same people) any better? I've heard several good reviews of the latter movie at the tables.
Regards,
Rick
When I was a kid we use to use "Snatch" to describe a ..., Hmmm that's not nice!
vince
Rick
I liked SNATCH, but I loved L,S,& 2 S.B.
I thought THE MEXICAN was okay. Not good,just okay. 3000 MILES TO GRACELAND was a little better, but not by much.
Good Luck
Howard
Why has De Niro been making so many bad movies lately? Analyze This, Meet the Parents, Men of Honor. Are there more? I used to really look forward to a De Niro movie, but not anymore.
Also, I thought LS&TSB was OK, but not anywhere near as good as Pulp Fiction, to which it is frequently compared. I saw it on cable, so you should be able to catch it if you watch the listings.
Didn't see the honor one, but my wife and I laughed are asses off at Analyze This & Meet The Parents. Maybe when you only get out on a date once or twice a month like us, you're more prone to being entertained. We even like Down to Earth.. Anyway I better stop here, before everyone loses all respect for my (admittedly dwindling) intelligence..
JG
"Flawless", co-starring the great Phillip Seymour Hoffman. "A Boy's Life" & "A Bronx Tale" were also good(albeit released a few years ago), but De Niro really has been coasting since "Goodfellas".
And you forgot about "Rocky & Bullwinkle".
And "Heat"(ya-aawn).
xxx
Mason,
Rocky and Bullwinkle was one of my favorite cartoons when I was young. It left the theatres so quickly that I didn't see it but it is on my "to rent" list. Anyway, you are not crazy for enjoying it. Roger Ebert gave it three stars. Here is a link to his review:
"Link to Review by Roger Ebert"
Regards,
Rick
Ebert gave the same rating to the Mexican, so where does that leave Mason (or the rest of us)?
I thought both SNatch and Mexican were worth seeing.
I am not a big fan of Roberts of Pitt but after the 1st 20 miserable mins. I thought it came together rather well.
Did you get/read the book "Joe"?
And yes, LS&TSB and S are both writ/dir by the same guy(Mr. Madonna) and have basically the same casts and plots. If you didn't like one you prolly won't like the other.
Bill,
After reading your recommendation and the reviews on Amazon, it was near the top of my wish list. But the way we work it is that we set a budget and then get stuff for each other that is a subset of what is on our lists. We also throw in a gift or two not on the list. This keeps us from overspending and we still have some element of surprise. I was disappointed when Joe didn't make it; however, the whole thread is copied into a document and I will put it on my wish list for next year or perhaps for my birthday list.
Since the Holidays I've read the two World War II books by Steven Ambrose (“D-Day” and “Citizen Soldiers”) and old copy of "War and Remembrance" by Herman Wouk. I also recently read "The Hunters" by James Salter (about flying against MIGs in the Korean War). It might sound like I'm obsessed by war but my father is getting on and I want to get an appreciation for what he and his generation went through in those years. Somehow I don't think the baby boomer generation scared to death of second hand smoke could have handled mid-winter foxhole duty on the stalled front lines near the German border in the winter of 1945 or Kamikaze attacks and hill by hill fighting in Okinawa.
Regards,
Rick
:-)
:)
That doesn't surprise me. I thought the three minute trailer for the Mexican was interminable. Don't waste your time with these inane pieces of trash. If you wanna see a real movie, see "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon". Easily the movie of the year and visually, the most impressive movie I've ever seen.
I also liked it - and recommended it to friends.
I thought CROUCHING TIGER was fantastic also. One of the top ten films of the past five years. IMHO
Howard
If you liked "Crouching Tiger..." and want to see an Asian film on a more modern subject, go see "In the Mood for Love" by Wong Kar-Wai. Might be the most beautifully photographed film I have ever seen. Yes, its subtitled, and yes, its about romance. If you usually pass over films like this, you might want to make an exception. This one is a great story set in Hong Kong (and elsewhere in Asia) in the 1960s that features great acting, great writing and awesome cinematography. Best film of 2001, IMO (2000 too for that matter).
KJS
My Girlfriend and I like to hit a movie every weekend. Unfortunately, Hollywood just doesn't make a good movie every week. So, after sitting through the HORRIBLE 3000 Miles to Graceland last weekend, I actually liked the Mexican. It was a bit slow, but there were a few real side-splitters.
"Just one more word, and I'm crashing this car."
Good Movies out:
Crouching Tiger **** O brother Where Art Thou ***1/2 Chocolat *** Traffic ***
Zooey
At 1100 hours the docked River Boat in Aurora, IL was jumping with action! Heck you can board at any time! They were making points at the craps tables, the 21 dealers were paying 1 ½ on all the black jacks, and someone hit a number at the roulette wheel. The waiting list to get into a poker game was 14 deep but who's counting. Time for brunch at the Epic Buffet, served the institutionalized way. I like my food prepared that way or I like free food, I leave you to judge.
After brunch, time to take a nap, in the smoking room, while waiting for a seat. Enter the Artful Dodger, no sleep allowed. We make small talk, he asks the SPM to post a question on another 2+2 channel. Neighbor Bill from the neighborhood, comes in the smoking room to offer the SPM a play over spot in the main 10-20 game. Losing one and a half stacks in a matter of several minutes. The SPM is saved by an open seat in the 2.50-5.00 hold'em game. The SPM makes several trips to move all his stuff to the new game. As the SPM begins to take his seat, the Floor Boss waves him off like the flag man on an air craft carrier. You have a seat in the 5-10 game, table something. The same routine after the last trip the SMP begins to sit... nope their moving him into the third 10-20 feeder game. Home at last!
You've heard the saying, be carful what you wish for. Well it sure applied to the two 10-20 feeder games. They were chewing up the SPM like he was a bone in a hungry dog's cage. After four hours the SPM was closing in on the last chip he owned. He had already said good bye to five stacks, plus a few. It was a bleak Sunday afternoon in a crowded poker room with no smoking allowed. The SPM was playing his "A" game, you know the one he plays when he's in the Valley of Patience (VoP). Tight & Aggressive!
What you don't know is the Artful Dodger made the SPM agree to a two week promise. The SPM agreed to live by the "Oath of the Walk." The oath says, play any hand out of position or rags with reckless abandon you must walk immediately after the hand ends. No waiting for your blinds you must walk, win or lose the hand, you still walk. The SPM did not want to walk. He was Tight & Aggressive with a short stack, after being slowly beaten senseless in the VoP.
Then the SPM felt a warm breath on the back of his neck, he was in the big blind with 10 9 off. He didn't even look to see the lips behind the warm breath, he knew it was Lady Luck. She whispered. "I like Tight & Aggressive men!" Seven way action and no one raises. The flop came 10 10 with who cares, the turn was a 10 and the SPM began a slow rush that took five hours. The SPM was playing so tight, you couldn't get a greased bee up his tookus. In the final analysis being patient, paid off. The SPM walked with a very small win but it felt like a big win.
SPM,...so Lady Luck likes her men Tight & Aggressive, isn't that interesting...
i stii say lady luck ain't no lady...great post again as usual...gl
Married man...written by ???
A married man left work early one Friday afternoon. Instead of going home, however, he squandered the weekend (and his paycheck) partying with the boys.
When he finally returned home on Sunday night, he ran into his furious wife. After a couple of hours of nagging and berating, his wife asked, "How would you like it if you didn't see me for a couple of days?"
"That would suit me just fine", he replied.
So, Monday went by, and the man didn't see his wife. Tuesday and Wednesday came and went with the same result. Come Thursday, the swelling went down a bit and he could see her a little, just out of the corner of his left eye...
well i am married and do not see the humour...too true..hehe..
seeing it seems to be joke week; here's a favourite of mine recently.
- A woman walks into a bar and asks the barman for a double entendre.
So he gives her one.
A guy decides to take up diving. Buys the best equipment, goes to all the classes, watches videos, practices a ton and now its time for is 1st dive on the coral reef. Goes down about 40 ft and is filming the beautifully colored coral, when all of a sudden a guy with no equipment goes up and taps him on the arm. Figuring it was just some showoff, or drunk from a cruise ship, the guy goes down to about 100 feet and starts clicking away again, when he gets another tap on his arm from the same guy. Looking at his depthometer our hero is duly impressed by the guy with no oxygen tank or equipment, so he takes out his underwater chalk board and writes: "How can you stay underwater without equipment for so long?" The guy without equipment wipes out his question and writes on his board: "I'm drowning you f**king moron!!!"
I just finished visiting rgp and lo and behold we have a reply to my post concerning Badger. It was from David Sklansky. I will only say that the post by David goes a long way in holding Badger up as a model poker expert. Words like onerous describe my comments while David uses meticulous to describe his feeling for the martyr Badger. I guees that David agrees with Badger. This forum is a Cesspool and posters like me are the terds that inhabit it! Way to go David!
Thanks for your honesty,
vince
Hey David, would you like to know how to improve this forum? Well just run right up to rgp and read Mr Meticulous's reply to your post. He has all the answers for you. Maybe you can get Chuck Weinstock to hire Badger as Forum consultant. I'm sure Mason doesn't mind the little "inaccuracies" that Badger makes about him or the forum. By the way which is the inaccurate description of Mason that Badger usse? Is the evil inacurate or the dirt bag or maybe slime ball. Just how inacurrate is he? Is Mason not eveil but just a bad person? Is he not a slime ball just a little greasy? Or is he only a half full dirt bag? And is this forum not a Cesspool just a sewr? I hope you can straighten that out for me.
vince
I think you're on tilt a bit. That happens to me sometimes; no biggie. I made a mistake the other night about standard deviations while I was stuck a couple dimes on Paradise.
If anything I have said has upset you too much, I am sorry. I only wanted to convey two points: 1) The word BUSTED almost always means tournaments, not ring games. In addition to experience, the other hint I leaked was the limits. Kevin Song and Daniel N play very high LHE in ring-games. I have never seen Badger play this high, though if he was I would imagine it would be a different particular game than LHE, but I can't be sure. The best guess would be tournament. And it turns out that this guess was confirmed by Badger. 2) The notion of me being under Badger's spell or a disciple or a toady of his is so many sigmas beyond what is actually so, I was left with no other response than "heh." I'm pretty sure Badger or Mason or anyone who has gotten caught between them would confirm this.
I don't know if I was somehow unclear about what I was in fact trying to stipulate, but the above is all. I don't see that I implied anything else in my posts, but unless you are disputing the two above points, I don't really have an interest in the whole business, and I hereby retract anything that appears to assert anything otherwise.
FWIW, I am more in the pro 2+2 camp than you could probably conceive. Additionally, when the delenda controversy came up, I sent a very strongly worded letter to Mason and Chuck why the posts should not be deleted and that I felt that SB&GC were out of line. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy jousting with them and against them. And I would enjoy jousting with you about good and bad movies or how to play pot-limit duece-to-seven. But I think the topic of whose spell I'm under is really a nonstarter. I'll even try to come up with a whole new thread to keep us all moving forward.
Big hug!
JG
David,
Just because someone gets a perfect 800 on a Math Sat doesn't mean they are intelligent. I didn't realize this until after your patronizing Badger post!
Vince
Ten 2+2 People With Whom I Don't Want to Get Stuck on a Desert Island:
Tom Weideman - The only time I've ever been in a boat with him, he threw me overboard.
John Feeney - Too much time reflecting, not enough time picking fruit. Why don't you get deep inside the coconut grove, private-school bookworm.
David Sklansky - Always says "I know how we can get off the island," and then "I'll leave it to others to elaborate."
Wildbill - Keeps wanting to bet us we're going to get stuck on the island AFTER we're already stuck on the island.
Greg Raymer - Spends half his time looking for pretty rocks, the other half suing us. Tries to sell us a piece of his action in this "great game on the other side of the island."
George Lind - Always acts like he's crazy, but meanwhile he's building his own boat on the other side of the island.
Paul Pudaite - Makes one appearance on the island. Demonstrates that he's "solved" getting off the island, and never comes back again.
Abdul Jalib - Keeps disappearing for long stretches, and then upon returning, not only claims he's left the island, but that he's left the astral plane.
Rounder - Claims island is a walk in the park compared to growing up in Chicago. Bullies Feeney a lot.
Suburban Poker Man - Keeps changing the names on all the maps to crap like A2CT. Keeps saying "I'm the mayor. I'm the mayor," while dancing around in nothing but a grass skirt and a smile.
JG
Ray Zee-keeps on catching fish, but then releasing them Ed I-same as Ray Zee.
s
"George Lind - Always acts like he's crazy, but meanwhile he's building his own boat on the other side of the island."
That may be the greatest compliment I've ever received from a poker player.
Seriously.
I've called you crazy plenty of times.
:-)
You also called me a trust fund baby.
Yes but I ment it in the nicest sort of way.
Just because I'm curious how you'll spin yourself out of this web.
If you were a trust fund baby, you could afford nicer shirts.
JG wrote: > Greg Raymer - Spends half his time looking for pretty > rocks, the other half suing us. I've never sued anybody, at least not directly.
> Tries to sell us a piece of his action in this "great > game on the other side of the island. Well, what do you expect? That's where George's boat is, and what else is worth winning on an island full of the bums you picked? Plus, backing me heads-up against George, that IS a great game.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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Now I ask you is that a beautiful name or what?
Vince
Yes, Vince, names are beautiful. Dave Frishberg's great song, "Van Lingle Mungo," pays homage to the names of baseball players he read in the the boxscores:
Frankie Crosetti, Johnny Sain, Ernie Lombardi, Max Lanier, Johnny Pesky, Eddie Joust, Roy Campanella, and, of course, Van Lingle Mungo, along with many others, all beautifully rhymed.
John
Haven't seen the film yet, but this title sounds like the name of the film Sullivan wanted to make in Preston Sturges's great comedy, Sullivan's Travels. Anybody remember?
BTW, if you haven't seen it, Sullivan's Travels, that is, check out the great montage scene near the close of the film.
John
PS.
SB would know the answer to this one, I'm sure.
John,
You are correct. It is an homage to Sturges and that Greek guy, Homer. Coen Bros. said it was based on the Odyssey and even credit it at the outset. The allusions are pretty loose and not very numerous.
You should see it and on the big screen, especially to enjoy the great soundtrack on a good system.
KJS
It is a great movie and the Cohen bros did great job with this one. Lots of good actors including a familar face from Rounders. I really enjoyed the movie. Go see this one onthe big screen if u can. Its better then anything else out right now. Though 15 Minutes looks good but that does not come out till Friday.
As KJS pointed out, a great soundtrack. I liked it so much I had to stop and get the CD on the way home from the movie theater. I always liked Norman Blake anyway.
Oh, and the movie is very good. IMHO
Howard
n/t
No, it's not about Vince and Badger.
Today, Bush responded to the shootings in San Diego by calling the event an "act of cowardice." I'm not sure exactly what an "act of cowardice" would entail, but the actions and motivations of a troubled fourteen year-old student who fires upon his classmates and teachers need further thought. Bush proves once again that--to paraphrase lat night's The Soprano's--there's no interlocutor between his mouth and brain.
John
It's the standard line tho isn't it? Used to describe every act of terrorism throughout the century. From Pearl Harbor to the Middle East. Bush surely isn't the first in power to use it.
When applying it to the school shooting- on one hand what else can you call someone who attacks unarmed people with firearms? Certainly not a hero. On the other hand, he knows he will be caught and punished and maybe even killed, so does that make him brave?
I know nothing about the shootings or the possible motives behind them. I feel sorry for the all the victims involved, including the troubled teens. But they must be held accountable for their actions.
It's a sad state of affairs but certainly not the presidents fault
I beleive a lot of these shhool shootings are done because of the wall to wall coverage they get - the "coward(s)" get to have their face plastered all ovet cable TV for days on end and it is a motivation for a troubled teen to off a bunch of his class mates.
I think if we demonized them more and showed them less we might be ahead of the game and I thank GWBush for his leadership on theis issue.
We don't need to "understand" these sick kids we need to elininate the problem with airport type security in schools.
Bush also said that we need to educate the kids more. I think that is a load of crap. These kids know right from wrong.
jazzman
Front page headline in Los Angeles: "Worst since Columbine." Great. So now we've set a bar for other kids to reach for? Every kid who does this gets so much press and vindication as "a kid who got picked on and struck back" that to a confused and despondent teen, it begins to look like a viable option. We should all e-mail Charlton Heston every time this happens (and it will continue to happen, guaranteed) to remind him that the gun didn't kill anybody.
Remember, guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people. (Guns just make it REALLY easy and kind of fun.)
Why not eamil Fox, MSNBC and CNN they are the ones giving these sick kids the 15 min. they are looking for.
As for the NRA that is a straw dog they have their place in society they run safety training classed for the young and try to preserve out 2nd ammendment rights. If it were for the gun grabbers like McCarthy, Brady's and Schummer only the bad guys would have them and that ain't good.
BTW I quit the NRA a few years ago cuz of their stubborn stance on assult weapons which was a nonissue as far as I was concerned. All it did was give the left ammo to fight with.
Rounder,
What leadership are you thinking of? Perhaps it's the cute little catch phrase that amounts to nothing. Certainly, it's not the duty of the President to solve these problems, but the phrase "act of cowardice" might be reserved for more deserving occasions. After all, is this kid really Hussein?
John
At least he wasn't biting his lip when he said it.
I was in Borders recently looking for some 2+2 to browse, when I saw a thin volume by Harry Anderson (the magician of Night Court fame) titled Games You Can't Lose. One of the chapters in the book was entitled "Games You Can't Win," and much to my surprise, casino poker was listed right along with craps, roulette and the slots. Why? According to Anderson, (1) the house rakes the pot, so no one can win, (2) teams of cheats come in and signal each other, and (3) local pros will eat you alive. I wonder who did the research for this book.
What were the games you can't lose?
--worm
Harry is pretty right unless you are one of the sharks.
I found this interesting exchange of thoughts on RGP:
Mike Caro: (3 MAR, ENGLISH ONLY QUESTION FOR DALLA !!!)
"Secondly, why shouldn't English be spoken everywhere? Isn't it the world language of both business and science? Great thoughts have been written in English by great thinkers, but no truly great thoughts have ever been written in alternative and incomprehensible languages."
Marc Gilutin:
"This is exactly why the French hate us."
Rgds,
Zbych,
"Great thoughts have been written in English by great thinkers, but no truly great thoughts have ever been written in alternative and incomprehensible languages."
Plato, Martin Luther, DaVinci, Socrates, Voltaire, Hesse, Hugo, Zola, Aristotle, Virgil, Kafka, Malarme, Homer, Sartre, Tolstoy, Nietszche, Beckett. . .
Yup. . .I guess Mike's right!
...Kant, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Schopenhauer...etc etc
(Wow lot of germans :))
Mike was being sarcastic and doing a bit of trolling.
While I don't agree with Mike I believe the European Community does. I believe that I read that they have voted English as the common language edging out German. Seems thatsomething similar happened one other time in our History that escapes me.
Vine
Great thoughts have been written in English by great thinkers, but no truly great thoughts have ever been written in alternative and incomprehensible languages."
Yeah, lord knows that Crime And Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov are worthless novels. His statement is even more ridiculous than his CP articles.
If you all would bother to read Mike's entire post on RGP, you would see that it is irony and sarcasm. Mike was having fun, and those that didn't read the post don't know that. The trouble with dry ironic wit is that many people take it as serious. How could you possibly think that Mike would make a statement like that and be serious about it?
Here is how to get to RGP:
http://www.mailgate.org/rec/rec.gambling.poker/index.html
obviously a bit of sarcasm here.
on a serious note, wouldn't it be nice if we did have a common world language? I wouldn't care which language it was. every educated person would speak a native tongue and some other universally common language.
When he writes these things, he is being absolutely literal, such that the apparent meaning of his words is not what he is saying.
Is French incomprehensible? Or German, or Greek? No. They are fully comprehensible, even if you or I don't comprehend them at this moment.
So, only a language that is absolutely incomprehensible is excluded by his statement. In that respect, he is correct. No great thoughts have ever been written in an incomprehensible language.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
maby we should bring back latin, everything in western culture was either written in latin, bastard latin (french, spanish, italian), a language heavely influenced by latin (everything else to come out of europe except basque) or can easly and accurately be translated into latin (greek)
Hungarian, as with Basque has no relation to latin.
humm
Remember that Latin gave us the "B" in "doubt," and allowed us to choose "excrement" when that perfectly good word "shit" is readily at hand.
Lee Munzer wrote:
"I don't know Vince, but he certainly doesn't have a read on Badger. How doI know? Vince states, "Mason Malmuth is his (Badger's) normal target for these types of remarks. Of course it is obvious that with Mason, Badger's reason is one motivated by jealousy." Talk about reading players ... that's tantamount to reading a player for a bluff and they show four sevens."
Hey guys,
If you have read my posts concerning Badgers derogatory comments you'll know that Lee Munzer took Badgers side without even bothering to see if what I said was true or a lie as Badger stated. Well the above is another statement in the same thread from this Lee Munzer person. As you can see he admits that he doesn't know me but that didn't stop him from saying I was despicable. Well maybe he is right, I may be despicable. But I don't claim to be a poker authority like him and then make a stupid comment like the one above. He talks about reading players like he understands how to play poker and then show's his stupidity. Does anyone else know why his analogy is silly and just plain stupid. I'm talking about the following: "Talk about reading players ... that's tantamount to reading a player for a bluff and they show four sevens."
I'll tell all of you that if this guy thinks that he made a good analogy he doesn't have the slightest idea of how to read players and probably is a lousy poker player. Anyone with any experience playing poker knows that when you read an opponent there is always the possibility that you will make a mistake. In fact even if you are a great reader you will misread occaisionally. What Munzer doesn't understand is that when a good reader reads an opponent for a bluff that opponent is either bluffing or has a monster like the 4 sevens in his example. So much for any advice this guy might give you.
I would be happy and apprecitive if somehow this post found it's way to rgp under Lee Munzer's repoase to my 2 + 2 cesspool post in Badgers original thread.
Vince
The above might be better as a new thread on rgp if someone would be so kind to post it for me.
Vince.
Dear Vince,
seriously, just get a newsreader!
but in the meantime.....
Regards.
Thanks buddy! It won't happen again. Promise!
vince
Hey Vince we all know where Badger is coming from and ignore his bombasts for the most part. The bottom line is that Badger is interested in promoting Badger. All of the stuff he writes about 2+2 is directed towards this end (soon I will be labled a toady again). He has a website now with advertisers and such so I think you can see why he considers 2+2 to be a rival and expends a great deal of energy blasting this site, directing people away from 2+2, knocking poker books, and directing people to his site.
As far as this Lee Munzer guy, he does interviews and features about poker and as far as I can tell writes next to nothing about the strategic aspects of poker. You're right Munzer's analogy is poor. Perhaps it would be better to correct him by offering up some concepts regarding bluffing, how he missed the boat so to speak, and explaining why judging a play by results is generally wrong.
Chill Vince everything is fine.
Hey Vince, relax.
If this site is truly not a cesspool, but one with (mostly) intelligent individuals, a single post by Badger is not going to matter much at the end of the day.
Please don't fall for his Doug Grant-like trolls and get in a pissing match with him. It serves no purpose. Just like his opinion.
Adam.
Maybe Lee meant to say... "Vince value bets the river with Q4 and a AQ977 board, Badger raises with quad 7's, and Vince calls hoping to get half the pot." It would have been a better analogy.
Maybe.
Vince
I was talking to my friend the other day about our up comming trip to AC for nice poker at the TROP and TAJ and he mentioned to me that RGP was having some kind of reunion trip there that weekend. I hear they are going to mostly be at TROP. I also heard that the Trop was sonspering some special Tourny's for them and that some limit they never spread will be there I belive he said 7.50 - 15 but I could be wrong. Anyhow to the main point of this post. I wanted to go to there web site and check out some the post there and see what some of the people have to say that I might encounter during my trip. However I do not know the web adress to get there as I never saw a need to go there in the past. So if anyone could tell me the adress or more about thier visit that would be cool. I want to wipe these fools out as there seems to be a nice battle between 2 + 2 and RGP people as of late.
I've played in some of these events and if you value your bankroll give it a pass.
are the players that good (can't tell it from the posts) or are they just not that great a value?
Last time I player with them it was a 36 player tournament and only 2 weak links. Among the players were Lee Jones, JP Massure, Abdul Jalib, Bill Chen, JohnnyDavis, Jim Geary, I was 9th that day.
Like I said these are not oa bunch of dead money players. Bring your A+ game and hope for the best.
n/t
The RGP "event" (actually a fun meeting of many computer/poker geeks -sorry fellas) at the Trop is a teriffic event. It is anything you want from high stakes (pot and no limit Holdem with Real Money) to low stakes (all white chips) stud and holdem to tournaments for prizes. There are talks, games, drinking sessions like when you were in high school/college/jail?, eating sessions (this event is not sanctioned by weight watchers) and bull sessions. You may spend a lot or a little. Have fun; that what it is all about.
Rounder should loosen up (not poker wise but fun wise). I am not one of the RPG'ers but I did have a good time with some of them last year. They do not even know who I am, so I am not biased. I do not even know when it is,but I am there every weekend.
The Trop is the perfect place for this type of stuff. I think the entry fee is five dollars. Check their newsgroup for more info. Come on down. What else is there to do in March? It will be an experience, and if you are afraid of loosing too much money as Rounder suggests, leave your big bills at home.
If you go to http://www.jazbo.com/ and click on the Atlarge link on the left you can see info about past gatherings and info on this years events.
Randy
Can you register on site?
Jim please except my apology for any nasty things I have said to you in the past few days. I was wrong and I'm sorry.
Vince.
Dear Vince,
What a true gentleman you are to have the integrity to post a public apology. You have my respect, Sir.
And you my dear have my love!
Vince
BTW - I only apologize when I'm wrong.
>>I only apologize when I'm wrong.<<
You are obviously not married or otherwise attached.
()
Vince,
And I've been under the impression you were not always right, but never wrong.
SPM,...I like this side of your nature, I also like some of your salty stuff, when I'm not the involved...
I knew you were a little tilty, so I didn't worry too much.
JG
Big Al always comes up with great jokes, now he's E-Mailing them to me and I am sharing with you.
SPM,...still in the VoP, film at 11...
Subject: FW: First Grade Teacher's Problem
1st Grade Teachers Problem!!!
A first grade teacher was having trouble with one of her students. The teacher asked, "Johnny what is your problem?" Johnny answered, "I'm too smart for the first grade. My sister is in the third grade and I'm smarter than she is! I think I should be in the third grade too!" The teacher had had enough. She took Johnny to the principal's office.
While Johnny waited in the outer office, the teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told the teacher he would give the boy a test and if he failed to answer any of his questions he was to go back to the first grade and behave. The teacher agreed. Johnny was brought in and the conditions are explained to him and he agrees to take the test.
Principal: "What is 3 x 3?" Johnny: "9". Principal: "What is 6 x 6?" Johnny: "36".
And so it went with every question the principal thought a third grader should know. The principal looks at the teacher and tells her, "I think Johnny can go to the third grade." The teacher says to the principal, "Let me ask him some questions?" The principal and Johnny both agree.
The teacher asks, "What does a cow have four of that I have only two of?"
Johnny, after a moment, "Legs."
Teacher: "What is in your pants that you have but I do not have?" The principal's eyes open really wide and before he could stop the answer,
Johnny replied, "Pockets."
Teacher: "What does a dog do that a man steps into?"
Johnny: "Pants"
Teacher: "What word starts with an 'F' and ends in 'K' that means a lot of excitement?"
Johnny: "Firetruck"
The principal breathed a sigh of relief and told the teacher, "Put Johnny in the fifth grade, I missed the last four questions myself."
.
Pretty Good SPM, pretty good.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
:-)
I am interested in dealing poker at a casino in AC. However my credit is not so good. I have one charged off credit card but have two other credit cards in good standing. I read on the net that when you go for a 2-1 license that they do a background check. Is my charged off card a reson for them to deny my license?
I think most of the dealers in AC are overextended. I do not think that is a problem (I could be wrong however). I think character problems like arrests, DWI, non-payment of child support things like that are problems, not bad credit. Call up the commission. half of those guys are one time crooks anyway
I am not a dealer but while I was sitting at a 1-5 stud table at the Trop in AC we had a conversation and that came up. He said they need dealers and u can work while u get your lience. Some guy mentioned that he had spent time in jail for Burgerly and wonder if they would hire him. The dealer said the would so i dbout bad crediet will hurt u to much. BTW he said at the Trop dealers keep there own tips so u might want to try there. I am not sure about any of the other casinos in AC
The forms filled out in A.C. for a dealer's license are not as involved as they are for Pit Manager and above. The most important thing is not to lie or mislead on any statement you make. If bad or questionable credit were a problem, A.C. would be a ghost town. Be up front on your disclosure form.
mm
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Do anyone know website that give good $$ for used books?
I don't think it's appropriate to reply here, but e-mail me and I'll provide some tips..
The March issue of "Racing Monthly" contains a great article entitled USING PUBLIC PERCEPTION TO MAKE A PROFIT.
The aricle is about Glenn Barton. A horse player who after 16 years of using speed points,track modelling,pace ratings,and calculating feet per second velocities, found that the true turning point for him was reading Sklansky's GETTING THE BEST OF IT.
A great article if you get the chance to read it.
Good Luck
Howard
I swear dilemna can be spelled like this. But, everywhere I look all I see is dilemma. Did Mrs. Brooks lead astray back in third grade?
Isn't a delimna what your mother used to give you when you ate too many sunflower seeds and got all plugged up?
yanno, i had that same thought months ago about the word dilemma, even looked it up because someone told me i spelled it incorrectly when i spelled it as "dilemna". I think it's just a case of so many ppl were spelling it wrong that it made it right..heh
Senate to repeal rules aim to reduce worplace injuries. Republicans denounce the regulation as expensive for bussiness. 5 Democrats from the south voted to repeal. W backs the move. ""This is special interest legislation. This is political payoff. Make no mistake about it"" For Rounder and Dr, Wogga things are looking gooooood....
Like most of the "feel good" crap clinton and his henchmen were behind.
I hope all his special orders are tossed out with the trash.
Why don't you do a little research on the issue before spouting off the party line?
Is that the communiest party???
It's the Kennedy Party. That wrinkled, puffy faced windbag is leading the charge against repealing this "law"- accusing the GOP of bowing to "special interests". That would be hilarious if it weren't so hypocritical. Ted Kennedy is THE leader of the most powerful special interests in the land: environmental wackos, feminists, big labor, teachers, trial lawyers, gun haters, and for profit race baiters.
This law (which in tomp oin the Constitution, Clinton fashion circumvented the legislative branch) was a boondoogle for trial lawyers and big labor. The "special interest" to which the GOP is bowing are the millions of small business owners that are creating jobs and driving the economic prosperity for which Kennedy and the Dems took credit.
It boogles the mind. Go grab another martini, you bozo.
Michael
Do you really believe that "environmental wackos, feminists, big labor, teachers, trial lawyers, gun haters, and for profit race baiters" represent a more powerful special interest than the largest, wealthiest and most powerful multinational corporations on the planet, that routinely back the Republicans over Democrats? Gimme a break. Everyone knows the Republicans are the party of business, big and small. I am sure you know this from reading the business press and seeing who they endorse.
KJS
Puhleazzzzzzzzzze!!
Check the voting statistics.
I think it boils down to the philosophy of each party. The Democrats prefer an income re-distribution to people making less than the median income and the Republicans are more pro-capitalism where people are paid according to their contribution to the economy.
And, exactly, how is that contribution measured?
Consider: Congress spent twenty minutes debating the Savings and Loan bailout; it spent thirty minutes debating changes to the Congressional hair salon.
Consider: billionare investors bailed out of disastrous stock investments; small investors stuck billions.
The contribution is measured by what the market will pay. Would you have it any other way?
Our economic system is not a pure capitalistic system but a mixture of capitalism and a planned economy. The degree of government intervention in redistributing income is what is at issue. I think it is very clear that government policies of the late 80's and 90's where intervention to redistribute income was curtailed a great deal has brought about far more prosperity than the policies of the 60's and 70's where the government intervened much more actively.
"The contribution is measured by what the market will pay."
Tom,
I think you got the tail wagging the dog here. Ever see comparisons between what CEO's earn relative to each other and their company's performance? The market does not pay relative to contribution.
John
Disagree totally.
What you stated is IMO an example of fuzzy thinking and it is rather vague. Of course our economic system isn't perfect but it's prefarable to a lot of other alternatives that I have witnessed. Your statement is hardly a repudiation of the market determining compensation.
You still haven't answered my question as to what alternative you would prefer although I could probably make an accurate guess.(Would you rather have it any other way?).
Tom,
I thought you were posing a rhetorical question. What I disagree with is your assertion that people are paid according to their "contribution" to society. I realize full well that the market, in a sense, determines wages--and I don't have a huge problem with that, and, no, I don't advocate for a dismantling of our economy. (You must admit, though, that income is distributed unequally--whether that's the way it should be or not certainly goes beyond pure economic considerations.)
What I was trying to point out, though, is that Fleet Bank's CEO Terry Murray, for example, although one of the least efficient CEO's, earns much more than some of his peers who perform much better, at least in terms of "contribution" to shareholders.
When you state that people are paid according to their contribution, you also imply that those who earn the most contribute the most, an implication I have trouble accepting.
Perhaps you recall the bailout of a few billionaires about to lose billions in stock market investments because it would have been "bad for the economy." Would you have been given the same salvation? But, I suppose, that's another matter. Sleep tight.
John
To answer your first question, yes, I do. Take the trial lawyers for example, they represent a very small portion of the population, yet were able to get Clinton to veto tort reform that had the broad support of the people and both branches of the legislature. And the teacher's union has blocked education reform that has been demanded by the people for years, despite the US public education system falling further behind while spending more and more money.
And when I hear bromides that begin with "everyone knows", my skepticism antenna perk up. I prefer to think for myself rather than adhering to a particular dogma, regardless of how hard the mainstream media cram it down the public's throat.
That aside, I fail to see how big and small businesses can be characterized as "special interests". They provide jobs and invesment opportunities to the vast majority of Americans. They make the products that make our lives more enjoyable. They invent the technology that enables us to have this discussion online at virtually no cost. They create the drugs that extend our lives. If they represent any special interest, then that special interest is the millions of working Americans, including myself.
Simply put, "business" does what it does a lot more effectively, and enriches the lives of many more Americans than does the government and the vast web of left-wing special interests represented by the Democratic Party.
But then again, I am biased. I'm a capitalist and a Constitutionalist (read: NOT Republican). Always have been and always will be. The US Constitution and the principles upon which it was built are the engine for liberty and prosperity that eventually lifted most of Europe's people out of serfdom.
I've also seen the alternative first hand and it isn't a pretty sight.
that each African American constitutes only three fifths of a person. Tell us how holy you are.Just don't ask for anyone to send you their material possesions. You won't find many followers.
Michael,
I respect your freethinking anti-dogmatic attitude, but I think we still disagree on what constitutes a "special interest". In my understanding, this is a made up word used by politicians to demonize those people that lobby to change things the politician believes in. No lobbyist calls himself, or his client a "special interest". Only politicians use this word. It has no neutral meaning at all.
That said, what I meant in my post is that the power to exact change through lobbying and other methods of greasing the political machine is more widely yeilded by the wealthy businesses of this country than the various social and identity groups you listed. Maybe it would have been more clear if I stated that I think that the lobbyists employed by multinational corporations and their interest groups (industrial alliances such as the Restauranteurs Association, Chamber of Commerce, etc.) along with the individual donations and clout of their wealthy members dwarfs the combined power of those you mentioned.
"Business" widely defined does have an agenda, and that can be ascertained just by reading The Wall Street Journal, Fortune, etc.. I believe that is undeniable. Inasmuchas we agree that their agenda, such as rolling back ergonomic regulations, is forwarded by certain lobby groups, members of the press, and individuals, they respresent an interest group very analogous to big labor, trial lawyers, etc.. If I were to choose which was more powerful, I would certainly answer business.
KJS
You are a moron.
Now I know where Big Al gets all his jokes, he has an endless supply. Who writes these jokes?
SPM,...hope you get a laugh or two...
Subject: God and Bill Gates joke
Bill Gates died in a car accident. He found himself in Purgatory being judged by God, who was undecided hether to admit Gates to Heaven or send him to Hell. "Bill," God says, "I don't know if I should reward you for all the good you did for society by putting a computer in almost every home in the world, or damn you for reating that dreadful Windows 95/98. I'm going to try something I've never done: I'm going to let you decide where you want to go."
Gates asks God what are the differences between Heaven and Hell, and God suggests he visit both places, so he can decide for himself. Gates chooses to visit Hell first, and finds it a tropical paradise: sandy beaches, perfect weather, gorgeous women splashing in the clear water. "This is fabulous," Gates says. "If this is Hell, let's check out Heaven!" God takes Gates up to Heaven, and he sees that it's lovely, all puffy clouds and harp music, but not as beautiful as Hell was. Gates asks to go back to Hell, and God grants his wish.
A few weeks later, God feels he should check up on Bill Gates and see if he is comfortable. He finds Gates shackled to a wall, screaming as the hot flames burn him, tortured by demons. "How's everything going, Bill?" God asks. Bill responds, his voice raw with anguish and betrayal: "This is NOT what I expected! What happened to the sandy beach, and the beautiful women splashing in the surf?" God replies. "That was the screen saver."
Playing in the Valley of Patience, last week was fabulous, this week, first two days up very little. Tuesday was the grind of the slow death. This ain't last week. Now in the a small hole for the week. I must punish the players to night to get my chips back. Their on a recon mission.
Finally the Ballet Boy got kicked out of Hollywood Casino last night for yelling at a dealer, who told him to wait for his turn to muck the hand. Nothing more.
Ballet Boy true to form, calls the dealer a bad name, then when the floor shows up, he escalates his attach on the dealer with words and a louder voice, "Do your job!" he yells at the dealer, as he continues his attach, etc. I thought the dealer was doing his job. The floor ejected Ballet Boy for the day. Good call. He blows up at players, and well, no need to rehash old wounds.
SPM,...there's never a good reason to yell at a dealer...
SPM,
Do i know ballet boy?
:-)
"SPM,...there's never a good reason to yell at a dealer... "
Unless, of course, you are a "Ballet Boy"!
vince
:-)
Got an email today from an LA buddy covering a wide range of topics. In the email, my friend said word around the campfire in LA poker circles is that Johnny Chan has been hooked up in big heads-up games over the past month or so with Larry Flynt, and that Johnny has Larry on the hook for 3 or 4 million.
Any truth to this, or just urban legend?
If it is, let's hope that Johnny has the good sense to give Flynt a 10-15 percent rebate like the casinos do. Flynt's been known to expect that.
No way. That 10-15% could buy him an extra week or two at the Pai Gow tables.
Flynt has been known to drop 10 million at BJ in vegas weekend so 3-4 mil over a month is not a big deal to a sleazy scum bag like this.
why do you think Larry Flynt is a sleazy scumbag?
I tip my hat to Johnny for catching one of the biggest fish in the aquarium, milk 'em good Johnny!
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Whose Larry Flynt?
vince
N/T
At least according to Milos Forman's miserable hollywood interpretation.
x
A friend of mine called an intersting game the other night and we need a name for it any Ideas?? The game is played like this u get 2 cards down and a round of betting, 1 community card and round of betting, each player get 1 up card and round of betting and then there is another community card and finally everybody gets 1 down card and round of betting.
INSANITY!
Hold 'em, Minnesota Style.
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Stoldem!
Vince
Who has the best steak in Vegas? I'm going there for the weekend, and am looking for recommendations. I've been to Morton's, which is quite good. Haven't been any place else there for steak. Any advice?
just got back from LV and really enjoyed Kokomos at the Mirage. Also heard good stuff about Prime and Charlie Trotters.
Danny
Bowing to extreme political pressure, Merck announced today that it would lower its price on CRIXIAN and STOCKRIN in developing nations. These are drugs are effective for treating AIDS/HIV and Merck will now sell them at no profit in certain countries, mainly in Africa.
As a result, Merck's stock price fell by $2.75 per share, wiping out $6.4 billion in value for Merck shareholders, including me. Obviously, this caused there to be fewer people willing to invest capital in Merck, which has proven to be a most capable provider of treatment for AIDS and other life-threatening diseases.
I guess the government can always make up the difference by subsidizing research by less capable institutions. They are SO much more effective at deploying capital than the private market. Who could argue with the success of the public schools, the DMV, Amtrak, war on drugs, alternative fuels research, war on poverty , social "security" and other state-funded boondoogles.
I thought this would make for pretty interesting conversation.
Yeah, you support genocide in the name of profit.
How is selling something that you invented, developed, and manufactured genocide, simply because some customers can't pay the price? If the product should be supplied to those who can't afford it because it is a life-and-death issue, that is fine. However, why should the individual or corporation be the one who has to pay for it?
To make a further analogy, more people around the world suffer from poor health that is due to a poor diet than from AIDS or other specific diseases. Does that mean that Nabisco has a duty to supply food to these people at cost? Why not? What's the difference?
If a poor, uninsured person gets in an accident, should the first bystander who sees it have to pay for medical treatment? If we as a society feel that these types of situations are such where help must be provided to the needy, then society needs to pay for it, just like society pays for welfare, medicare, and other things it has decided should be universally available. If people in this or other countries are deathly ill and can't afford a medication or treatment, it is up to society as a whole to pay for it, not the specific company that developed the drug or treatment.
If the company has to pay for needy customers, then what company would ever spend capital to develop a product that was intended to cure a disease or health need suffered primarily by poor people? Don't we want companies to have an incentive to invent a treatment for such people? There are many diseases that are primarily suffered by poor people in less-developed nations. And it is these diseases that get the fewest research dollars. However, if the companies could make a profit selling drugs/treatments for these conditions, you can be sure that the money spent on research in these areas would increase.
Capitalism isn't a bad system at all. It is heartless, but so is every other system. It is always a question of making hard decisions, because everything cannot be done today. The question is simply whether the market or the politicians make most of the decisions. In the USA, the market makes most of the decisions, and the politicians step in to set up some rules and make a few decisions. I'm sure it could work better than it does, but it isn't a terrible thing as it is now. I suspect it would work better with less input from politicians, but maybe I'm wrong.
This is a bit long, and I don't want to go over it with a fine-tooth comb, so if you think I've said something stupid or ignorant, let me know. Maybe I'll realize I worded something poorly, or that I said what I meant but was wrong. And, as a disclaimer, I work for a major Pharmaceutical company. However, I don't believe the views I've expressed would be different no matter who I worked for.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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The people who should be most outraged by the decision are HIV+ residents of first world countries. They have been hit with the double whammy of 1) subsidizing the sale of drugs to Africa, and 2) seeing the chance of a more effective treatment come down the drug pipeline be dramatically reduced. Add to this the fact that the availability of a more efficacious AIDS treatment will have a negligible effect on the rate of new infections. There is even evidence that effective AIDS treatments increase transmission rates because the cost of getting AIDS is reduced so much. Who cares if you get AIDS if you can live like Magic Johnson? A healthy supply of cheap medicine, combined with the strong influence of the Catholic church denouncing any sort of condom use, should ensure that the AIDS epidemic in Africa continues well into the future.
Boris,
Do you really believe the Catholic Church has that much power? C'mon; Catholics have ignored injunctions against contraceptives for years.
I love it: "Yes, you too can afford AIDS--just like Magic Johnson." Perhaps Michael's stock will soar again.
John
"Do you really believe the Catholic Church has that much power? C'mon; Catholics have ignored injunctions against contraceptives for years."
Good point. my peace corpse friends tell me that that the church actually gets this point across fairly effectively, mainly because there is already high resisitance to condom use in the culture in many african cultures. better make that many cultures period.
"Yes, you too can afford AIDS--just like Magic Johnson."
you should be on Madison Avenue. The cynical fact of the matter is that there is ample evidence to support this statement.
I agree with this. Furthermore, there's the issue of generic drug manufacturers in S. Africa, India, and Brazil (to name a few) who are probably violating property rights of the AIDS/HIV drug manufacturers, without having to really fear any repercussions. This is just ridiculous.
Does anyone honestly think it's going to stop at allowing patent law to be broken for AIDS drugs? I guess the generics will start doing the research necessary to keep ahead of the curve. Without the incentive, who would want to waste their time, effort, and most of all, money, developing new drugs, just so they can be cannabilized.
Yes, AIDS is an epidemic in southern Africa and SE Asia. I've seen statistics that upwards of 35% of men in S. Africa are infected with HIV. And something must be done. But, this is a PREVENTABLE disease. Education can stop the spread of HIV. And until the government of S. Africa wakes up (I'm talking specifically about the president here), why sink money into a losing battle.
Bill
Very impressive,
A company makes a magnanimous gesture, far greater than most of you can comprehend, and all you can think about is the effect on your portfolio.
Adam.
Nicholas Regush produces medical features for ABCNEWS. In his weekly column, published Wednesdays, he looks at medical trouble spots, heralds innovative achievements and analyzes health trends that may greatly influence our lives.
Here is a column he wrote for ABCnews.com.
It is taking on the appearance of a mass slaughter. A drug induced-nightmare of unprecedented magnitude for many people who have tested HIV-positive. They have strokes, heart attacks and suffer liver and kidney damage. They develop dangerously high cholesterol and diabetes. Some of them have suffered gross deformities. All because of anti-HIV drugs, namely the nucleoside analogues and protease inhibitors that make up the so-called combination or cocktail therapies. A name more worthy of the toxic effects listed on the drug labels would be "medical poisons." Also alarming is that many of those who develop these afflictions are symptom-free at the start. No sign of AIDS-related illnesses or infections. But because they turn up positive on an HIV antibody test, their doctors, following the herd, hit them "hard and early" with the cocktails. In fact, the major market targets for the makers of these drugs are those without symptoms. Pretty smart marketing, considering that many doctors will keep their patients on the cocktails even when their bodies begin to be ravaged by side effects and even after hospitalization. This is, of course, in the hope that somehow a miracle turnaround will occur and HIV will be neutralized. Yes, there are those chronically ill people with AIDS who have reportedly arisen from their death beds once given the anti-HIV therapy. And because so much has been made of this by the press and the HIV medical establishment, it has not been easy to assess what is really going on here.
Drugs Have Anti-Viral Potential First, these types of drugs do indeed have some anti-viral potential and in some cases might even function like antibiotics. This means that some of the viral and bacterial infections that AIDS represents might be neutralized, if only for a short period of time, before the toxic effects of the drugs take hold. Second, these drugs have been poorly tested and their short-term effect has been inadequately associated with an impact on HIV. It has been AIDS scientist David Ho’s ill-conceived contention that HIV replicates furiously in the body -- as measured by something called "viral load." The drugs, he argued, could reduce this load, thus possibly neutralizing the virus. Unfortunately, the HIV viral load concept is a fantasy, if not a total absurdity. Using a tool to highly amplify what little remnants there might be of HIV in the blood, Ho has taken the grand leap to associate his approach as warranting early prescriptions of these highly toxic cocktails. Because Time had the audacity to proclaim him "Man of the Year" in 1996, the press went wild in delivering messages of hope to those with AIDS. And on the basis of a handful of anecdotal cases of miraculous recoveries. To date, there is still no study that any of these cocktails, separate or together can extend life. And contrary to those scientists who apparently still believe in the tooth fairy, there is no evidence that the use of these cocktails is related to the decline in AIDS deaths. Deaths due to AIDS were already declining in 1994, several years before the cocktails were shot out of a marketing cannon. Now science must confront this ongoing travesty. Those in science and medicine who are perpetuating or condoning this passive genocide will one day be held accountable.
Big Al says this one is worth reading.
SPM,...I enjoyed it...
Worth Reading , This Small Story about Life...
Two men, both seriously ill, occupied the same hospital room. One man was allowed to sit up in his bed for an hour each afternoon to help drain the fluid from his lungs. His bed was next to the room's only window.
The other man had to spend all his time flat on his back.The men talked for hours on end. They spoke of their wives and families,their homes, their jobs, their involvement in the military service, where they had been on vacation.
And, every afternoon, when the man in the bed by the window could sit up, he would pass the time by describing to his roommate all the things he could see outside the window.
The man in the other bed began to live for those one-hour periods, where his world would be broadened and enlivened by all the activity and color of the world outside. The window overlooked a park with a lovely lake. Ducks and swans played on the water, while children sailed their model boats. Young lovers walked arm in arm, amidst flowers of every color of the rainbow. Grand old trees graced the landscape, and a fine view of the city skyline could be seen in the distance.
As the man by the window described all this in exquisite detail, the man on the other side of the room would close his eyes and imagine the picturesque scene. One warm afternoon, the man by the window described a parade passing by.Though the other man couldn't hear the band - he could see it in his mind's eye, as the gentleman by the window portrayed it with descriptive words.
Days and weeks passed. One morning, the day nurse arrived to bring water for their baths, only to find the lifeless body of the man by the window, who had died peacefully in his sleep. She was saddened and called the hospital attendants to take the body away.
As soon as it seemed appropriate, the other man asked if he could be moved next to the window. The nurse was happy to make the switch and after making sure he was comfortable, she left him alone. Slowly, painfully, he propped himself up on one elbow to take his first look at the world outside. Finally, he would have the joy of seeing it for himself. He strained to slowly turn to look out the window beside the bed.It faced a blank wall.
The man asked the nurse what could have compelled his deceased roommate who had described such wonderful things outside this window. The nurse responded that the man was blind and could not even see the wall. She said, "Perhaps, he just wanted to encourage you."
Epilogue . . . .
There is tremendous happiness in making others happy,despite our own situations. Shared grief is half the sorrow, but happiness,when shared, is doubled. If you want to feel rich, just count all of the things you have that money can't buy. "Today is a gift, that's why it is called the present."
I think we just found the one guy who liked the increasingly treacly Robin William's "Jakob the Liar."
a woman gave birth and loved that baby more than she thought possible, but became pregnant quickly again...she became worried that she would have to give up some love of first child to love the second child enough...but she found , upon the second delivery, that she know had more love for both infants,in fact more for each one, than the first one....
life is not a zero sum game....resources are infinite...gl all...
Bravo.
vince
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no/t/
Apparently, Dub's daughter Jenna's boyfriend got arrested after a frat party at UT and went to the "my girlfriend is .." card down at the station.
Shortly thereafter a van full of Secret Service agents pulled up and bailed him out.
Now, as much as I hate Clinton, we gotta be fair here.
BTW anybody remember a couple of years ago when one of Gore's daughters got busted for underage drinking and told the cops, "Do you know who I am"?
Pictures taken at the party were posted on the web by the company hired to document the event. Common practice, according to the company.
Next day all those featuring Bush's daughter were taken down.
KJS
It does't matter what he does "Damn if you do, Damn if you dont". Give Dudya a year before you start your chronic bitching, bleeding heart liberals.
and he and his brother are guilty of election fraud. The Bushes make Clinton look like George Washington.
If he lies about it and says it never happened,THEN he is pulling a Clinton.
As the late great Richard J.Daley (Chicago Mayor) said when it was discovered he just gave his son a gigantic insurance contract with the city:"C'mon, if you can't help your kids, who can you help". No more questions asked. The truth goes a long way with the public. Clinton just never understood this
now I hate drunken frat boys as much as the next guy, (except when I see a couple at the card table) however, there is a big difference between pardoning a drunken frat guy because you know somebody who likes him, and pardoning A treasonous lying fugitive from the fbi, who flaunts his wealth because he is indeed powerful enough to buy off the president of the united states.
Not only are all the contestants white on that show, they're lily white. Northern europeans mostly. It's almost comical when they introduce all the contestants each week.
Whats your point.
Are you saying that the producers of the show are racists? Are you saying that northern europeans are smater than the rest of the world? Do you know what the procedure is to get on the program or are you just tossing out the race card for the fun of it!!!
My point? There is none, only an observation. Lighten up.
Yeah.. who said that a post had to have a point?
A Native American woman from Seattle, who runs quiz night at a local pub, went to NY to tape a show last week. She did not make into the hot seat (is that what its called?) but will be introduced nonetheless. For what its worth.
KJS
that is a bold blanket statement and i'll have to cry environment on that one. every inner city in america is majority low income black. people/kids there are not exposed to the type of education or opportunities that others are that would allow them to perform well on an "iq test". those tests are pretty silly anyway if you've ever taken one.
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Whites run 15+ IQ points higher than blacks on average. If intelligence is the criteria for getting on this show then you'll find most (98%) of the contestants are non-black.
North Asians run 6 IQ points above whites. How well are they represented? I don't watch the show.
This topic is the least politically correct issue in social science today. To me, it offers the answers to so many of today's social problems. America is a nation of equal opportunity but it can't, won't shouldn't try to become a nation of equal outcomes.
Read 'The Bell Curve' for enlightenment (Murray + Herrnstein).
if you read the Bell Curve you would know that IQ is correlated with success only among the geniuses and the retards.
for the rest of us, IQ is not relevant.
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Mmmmm, pie.
Pizza pie is the nuts !
Did you say "hairpie"??
jazzman
Where you been, Alex?
Not Alex, but I too was wondering where he's been. Come back Alex. We have some pie for you!
I am going to Miami soon and would like to know if anyone here knows of any cardrooms there.
Thanks a lot, Beeb
youll find 1 in pompano beach i think, about an hour drive if i remeber well
In a recent poll, a group of experts named "jazz" the word of the century and "she" the word of the millennium. Agreed?
i'll ask my wife..
how about world war two as the words of the century, and rennassance as the word of the millienum???
In a recent poll, a group of experts named "jazz" the word of the century and "she" the word of the millennium. Agreed?
You miss understood the poll of the experts. They said razz was the lost word of the centruy and Hold'em the new word of the millennium. This is a poker web site and that we can all agree.
SPM,...clearing up fuzzy thinking...
No complaints about "jazz" here...lol
jazzman
who are these experts?
Rick,
20th century and second millennium, but I thought you'd have known that. Group of experts: various types interested in language, editors, writers--no, not the feminist militants you're thinking of. I'll explain later why "she" was chosen, but you got a guess?
John
Well, this seems like as good a place as any to say that I think it's absolutely disgusting that we haven't yet had a female president!
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nt
John F. (and John C.),
I would vote for Margeret Thatcher if she was eligible. I like a leader with balls ;-).
Rick
THEY, of the They Say, They's...
What was the criteria? Sound? Diversity of meaning? Political ramifications? Coolness?
Without knowing, it seems as meaningless as asking what the greatest color is.
KJS
The criteria, I believe, are impotance and significance. I know these criteria are somewhat hazy, yet the choices seem interesting to me, at least. If I recall correctly, "she" was chosen because before its appearance, no English pronoun existed for the female singular. English used "heo" for the pronoun; that pronoun, however, indicated "women" rather than "woman."
John
In a recent poll, a group of experts...
expert in what?
If they were poker experts, I would have to go with "rebuy" both ways.
A couple of "experts" one thousand years from now, will look back to the 20th century and none of what seems to be important today will seem even trivially significant then. So, what will they pick as the 20th century's outstanding characteristic?
I'd say that we had a lot of bombs, in the 20th century. Lots and lots of bombs. And it looks like we're not gonna have anything ressembling such a hard rain ever again. (We better!) Apart from that, we screwed up the environment a little bit - but I assume that this will be corrected in the 21st century.
Otherwise, my two "experts" will have nowhere to sit on and knock back those beers.
A big Copolla bomb.
the generation of the feminine singular pronoun was inevitable and rock 'n roll has overshadowed jazz.
here's a few other potent words:
liberty, emancipation, democracy, literacy
fascism, Nazi, H-bomb, genocide
penicillin, vaccine, sanitation, longevity, ecology
AIDS (the greatest scientific blunder of the century)
evolution, quark, quantum, supernova, gravity, television, laser, automobile
midriff, cheesecake, bikini, pinup, sexpot
I want to thank Big Al for sending me these internet jokes and stories. I have been experiencing some writters block caused by staying on my "A" game too long. My wrist is in real good shape from the endless releasing of any two cards from any position.
Who would have thought K2 suited was going to be the SPM's defining hand yesturday. The SPM called a raise from Will Wiskers with the K2 suited, Will Wiskers had been running over the game. The SPM was tired of being pushed around.The flop came K 2 Q rainbow, on the turn the SPM picks up a flush draw. Will Wiskers had stopped leading the betting so the SPM took over the responsibility and bet the turn, the Mid Night Mauader raises, Will Wiskers calls the SPM re-raise and at the river the lucky SPM shows two pair KK 22, the Maurader shows QQ 22 and Will Wiskers had released his hand. Sorry Artful Dodger, the SPM did not take the walk after playing a bad hand, he's weak, but in the black for the week.
SPM,...enjoy Big Al's joke from the internet...
Subject: Subject: Forty Years Ago
A couple was driving along a country road.. The wife says, "Sweetheart, let's stop and do the same thing we did here forty years ago!"
The husband stops the car. His wife backs against the fence, and he's immediately on her like a bass on a June bug. They make love like never before. She was SCREAMING and GYRATING and SHAKING uncontrollably; and when it was over, much to her husband's surprise, she FAINTED!
After he revived her and got her back into the car, the husband, quite astounded, says: "Darling, you sure never moved like that forty years ago or ANYTIME SINCE, that I can remember." The woman, gasping for breath, finally able to speak, says: "FORTY YEARS AGO THAT DAMN FENCE WASN'T ELECTRIC".
nt
I was wondering if anyone has seen any of the world series of poker videos and thought they were any good? Also the Tournament of Champions video... Also, two more.. Caro's power poker seminar, and Sklansky the Video... If anyone would steer me in the path of good videos I would more than appreciate it! Thanks in advance
The videos are petty cheap considernig you can buy them all for just one bad session at 2-4.
Get them all they can't hurt and if it just helps just a little they are worth it.
I would avoid the WSOP of the 1999 event it is really a 4th class effort - get the discovery chanel one instead. Caros "tell" tapes are good too.
Coming to Chicago on business, can someone give me info on the cardrooms there. I'm staying on the "Magnificent Mile" and will have a rental car. Where are the best and/or most convinent places for me to play? What do they spread? And, how long will it take me to get there and what times should I avoid driving?
Any help appreciated.
look in the archives of recent. our beloved spm had a splendid one under something about homework. there was another also by another of our chicago players. maybe one of those with more time than money will repost it for you if you cant find them.
From downtown Chicago, Harrah's in East Chicago, IN is your best bet. It's about 20-30 minutes from downtown.
nt
It will get into the low 50's today day and I'll begin to prowl the rivers again. Even though its my 23rd season in Montana, I'm pumped!
It seems like we're headed for another season of low stream flows. I'm concerned about fish losses this summer.
Skwala have been coming off on the Yuba the past week or so (I've heard, haven't been =(). Heard the lower Sac has been hot with huge BWO and caddis hatches coming off and no surface action!! not even a dimple. must be a lot of life underwater for the fish not to rise to those
Its somewhat interesting when the surface is covered with bugs and nothing rises. On the Henrey's Fork some years back, on cloudy cold day the surface was literally covered with bugs and nothing. This on maybe the premier dry fly river in the nation. I never took my fly out of the keeper just walked the banks searching.
for those that dont know and are interested, skwala are a kind of kickname for a certain stonefly. BWO are blue winged olives which is a mayfly. yes the rivers are going to be very low this year and i hope fish and game makes some closures or we will lose alot of fish. i hope to get on the bitterroot river later this month when we get the next warm wave. im sure you want to get fishing early this year before it gets warm as your wife may find another house or something for you to paint:)
Skwala and BWO are second nature to me, so I forgot that not everyone is enamored with the long rod.
Funny you should mention painting as I only finished about 60% last year. I also found a list of other projects for this year my wife hopes I complete. I was a much better fish bum than I am a homeowner/husband.
I was able to only spend 2 hrs on Clark Fork today but no lack of fish to cast to. I believe they were rising to midges because I could not see anything on the water, hell I'm suprised I landed anything since I couldn't see my fly(18-20). I know what blind fishing means now.
Fish and Game is offering funding for emergency drought response projects,working with water users to improve in stream flows. I wish them success.
Ed, is it one fly only on the Clark Fork? If not you can use a big dry (EHC, Royal Coachman, etc) as an indicator to tell you where your no-see-um is.
I'm a stubborn old coot who hasn't come to grips with my declining abilities.
Actually I have resolved to try trailing a nymph behind my Skwalla this year.
I also wish to test the effectivness of coloring a section of leader white.
Your 2wt would have been perfect yeasterday, thin flat water, small flies, no wind.
only whitefish were rising up here in the flathead. i was going to fly down to missoula and fish but i decided to go to glacier park and snowshoe to the head of lake mcdonald and watch the avalanches come down from the warm sun on the southeast slope. the fishings not open yet there but there were alot of small cutts hitting surface bugs all around me.
heard the snow pack is really low this year. In years like this it seems that June is the crucial month for determining the severity summer draughts. June is often very wet and can post-pone the low stream flows to late summer.
one of my favorite close to town fishing holes was the stretch of Clark Fork at the turn-off to Marshall ski area. There were some really nice fish in there. of course catch and release is mandatory as you would not want to eat anything from that stretch of river.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Snow pack 2/3 of last years, almost record lows. Did rain today.
I haven't fished up here in Washington yet, but some steelheading on the Stillaguamish might be in order soon
KJS
How about this story, off a web site for WA flyfishing:
Wow! And where were you?
Now that was eerie. Bill J. and I were doing our once a week guide trip......this time on the Skagit. Bill had already released a pretty wild hen.......with fresh net marks on her. Hmmm.
I LDRed a dandy at the head riffle of a favorite lie. I had just waded back out into position, Bill was 100 feet, downstream. I swear it felt like a train coming......under my feet! It finally dawned on me........we standing in the middle of the Skagit River, in middle of a bloody earthquake!! Now I have pictured myself during a quake; places like: driving a car, in a building, at home in bed.....I was even in the Kingdome, during the last quake..........but in a river? I honestly didn't know what to think!...or do!
Really Weird: I lost this steelhead, not two minutes before the quake.......Bill proceeds to hook (and land) a fish........not two minutes after. How weird is that?
Do post trip report if you get out.
Its a shame I didn't know how to river fish while I was stationed at Whidbey during late 60's.
Great story! Camped along the banks of the Skagit once. Fine country if memory serves me also understand its world class fishery.
Thanks to Big Al a player at Hollywood Casino in Aurora, IL. We have another internet joke of sorts.
SPM,...five days in grinding mode...
Ole and Sven were fishing when Sven pulled out a cigar but didn't have a lighter so he asked Ole for a light. "Ya, shure, I tink I haff a lighter," he replied and reached into his tackle box and pulled out a 12-inch BIC lighter. "Yiminy Cricket!" exclaimed Sven, "Vhere did yew get dat monster??" "Vell," replied Ole, "I got it from my Genie." "You haff a genie?" Sven asked. "Ya, shure, he's right here in my tackle box," said Ole. "Could I see him?"
Ole opens his tackle box and out pops the genie. The friend says, "Hey dere! I'm a good friend of your master. Vill you grant me vun vish?" "Yes I will", the genie said, so Sven asks him for a million bucks and the genie hops back into the tackle box and leaves him standing there waiting for his million bucks. Suddenly the sky begins to darken and the sound of a million ducks flying overhead is heard.
Sven yells to Ole, "I asked for a million Bucks, not Ducks!"
>> Ole answers, "Ya, I forgot to tell yew, da genie is hard of hearing. Do yew really tink I asked him for a 12-inch BIC
beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. .. Ben Franklin..
good one.
did he really say that?
regards.
nt
:-)
Just thought I'd share an observation about wines since lately, I have found some good ones, and I am pretty particular about beer and wine. You see I cannot waste my calories on crappy stuff.
Anyway, I found a most incredible wine. Unfortunately it is a bit pricy, but worth the cost.
Hands down the best Red wine I have tried in years is a Tuscan red called Summus. I had some of the 1996 vintage. It was incredible, simply incredible. I was given a bottle by a friend who brought it back from Italy. It is made by a company in Tuscany called Castello Banfi. I have since tried some of their other styles and they too are excellent. I highly recommend that any of you wine lovers try this Summus. It is a blend. You will thank me.
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The 96 and before are available at good wines stores. Many of the regular stores in PA do not carry it due to the price ($43.00)
ITS THE GUNS STUPID .HAS ANYBODY GOT IT YET .
ITS THE CARS STUPID .HAS ANYBODY GOT IT YET .
Pure and simple. Every one of these kids comes from a fucked up family environment - try to understand it OK.
Rounder I'm not flamming you here but I'm not sure that what you're saying is true. The Columbine murderers seemed to have decent family backgrounds. Am I just uninformed about those killers?
The parents of these two killers were very busy Yuppy types to busy making money to raise the kids.
Rounder,
You have the correct answer. What's different in society today is both parents are working and not spending any real time with their kids.
When I was a kid, my father worked and my mother stayed home to take care of me and my sisters. Today, both parents have to work because they purchase cars and houses that are two expensive for them.
I believe the real problem is women in the workforce. They have kids, but they don't take care of them. This is the difference today. There was always guns around. Both my father and grandfather had gun collections when I was a kid.
Yeah Mark I have guns around too but I tought my kids to respect them. My son wouldn't shoot a coon (racoon) who was terrorizing the family cat because I was not home and he was tought not to touch the guns when I was not there.
They know how to claen them and handle them safely they know what damage they can do.
I think you will find every one of these misfit kids coming from a screwed up home that includes the gangbangers who do a lot more damage than the isolated school shootings.
"I have guns around too but I tought my kids to respect them. You will find every one of these misfit kids coming from a screwed up home that includes the gangbangers who do a lot more damage than the isolated school shootings."
No matter how many law-abiding, well-meaning, drug-free citizens like you take extra care with guns, it's the proximity and availablity of guns which is at fault. The United States of America is unique in the world for making available to its populace guns at such huge numbers. Any situation which involves a grievance, a small argument or some bad feelings (situations which are common all over the planet) have the possibility of deteriorating into an irretrievably bad thing - like a shooting.
There're bullies picking on weaklings in every schoolyard in every school in every country in the world. There're drugs also everywhere - hell, read the papers, in some places in Europe it's even legal to sell marijuana in shops. "Screwed-up families"? "Gang-bangers"? Give me a break, the U.S. are not the champion in any of these sports... But only in America can an angry boy pick up a gun so easily and start shooting.
Problem in America IS the single is or no parent families. PERIOD.
That inclujdes parents who don't train their kids about guns and them don't lock them up.
Why can't you gun hating people understand this. I am amazed at how many poker players (1 is to many) are liberals I just can't see a liberal mentality being able to pull off being a winning player.
Well eneough of said.
"I am amazed at how many poker players (1 is to many) are liberals I just can't see a liberal mentality being able to pull off being a winning player."
I know what you mean: a good poker player must have a killer instict. Can't argue with that. But since you're a bona fide "winning player", you would agree with me that the mathematics and the odds are also mighty important, right? Which brings us to your howler:
"Problem in America IS the single is or no parent families."
Sorry, Rounder, but the crime rate (especially of violent incidents amongst family members, friends and neighbors) in the U.S. has always been greatly higher than in any other western democracy you'd care to mention. Greatly higher! Now, if you place the demolition of morality around the 60s, as any true-blue conservative citizen would, you'd have to claim one of these two things : (A) Single-parent families have been an American staple since the Mayflower, or (B) There's serious violence in America only in the last 30 years or so!..
(..If you insist on something that happened in the last 30 years or so that turned many Americans into raving lunatics, I would pick disco.)
Accounting for many many of the busted up homes and latch key kids.
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God bless my 357 mag
I'm in 100% agreement with you on this Rounder. I know this is anecdotal, but my dad was a cop. And throughout my childhood and teens I always knew he had a bunch of guns and rifles in his room. But it never ONCE occurred to me to go in there and poke around for ANYTHING(guns included). I honestly couldn't tell you if all of those weapons were locked up, because my parents room was OFF LIMITS, and I took them seriously. [There was one class-covered rifle case on his bedroom wall that was kept locked, but that's all I noticed the few times I went in there to call him to dinner, or to say hi, or whatever. All the pistols, and his AR-15 riffle I assume were kept in his closet.]
-Don
missing the point completely. So your parents were strict? that would make it worst in certain cases. Are you telling us that because you didn't pick up a gun when you were upset, you have all the answer and a "perfect family" like Rounder. Tell us it isn't so, Don.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, maybe that's because of your broken english, but yes...I do have a "perfect family" and "ALL" the answers.
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Don: you are a hypocrite, ain't you?
No broken english here: you are a hypocrite.
I'm not sure there is a very strong arguement for your case here. From my understanding most violent criminals come from abusive, broken, and violent childhood settings. To say these teenagers perpetrated these murders because their parents led a yuppie lifestyle doesn't hold water in my mind. There are many teenagers that come from nearly identical backgrounds that don't commit violent crimes and I doubt, although I don't know for sure, that there is any statistical evidence that such a lifestyle by the parents leads to violent crimes. With these school shootings I have observed one common thread that runs throughout all of them and that is peer treatment and peer pressure became intolerable for these students. Do not get me wrong, I have no sympathy for these killers. Also I believe the family setting can have a great deal of influence in encouraging positive behavior for teenagers. I can also tell you from personal experience that in many states parents of teenagers that are in the 16 and 17 year old age bracket are put between a rock and a hard place. There really isn't much a parent can do about a teenager that is 17 and is out of control. They will get virtually no help from the government, law enforcement, or the schools.
What would happen if guns didn't exist? Everything is the same, but no guns to be found anywhere. What would this kids do?
starting to get to me again with your "I am perfect" philosophy...
Our society is very screwed up - BUT people have to take responsibility for teir actions and we can't blame objects for crimes we must blame people for what they do this includes parents of unsupervised teens.
It is a complex problem but the root of he problem is parents and how they raise the kids.
Rounder wrote: "..we can't blame objects for crimes..."
Well put.
after all the answers .its still the guns . when i was a kid where i lived there were no guns .i never new there were such things till i came to this country . i led a shelterd life and still do .
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I don't think they shoot in other country,I guess it's society Only In America.
you got it roz
also all of these shooters have been on mind altering drugs -- ritalin or prozac , usually prescribed by school teachers or administrators (yeah, they get an m.d. to rubber stamp it)
brad
If this is true and I have no reason to doubt you then this is truelly a significant factor in my mind.
"I will go for the English SAT at 50 paces for $500,000 to settle any stupidity issues."
I called Lee Munzer stupid in a post on rgp. Yes I did! And now he wants to play English SAT! I'm faclept! Do we have another SAT king here. Another David Sklansky! Isn't it humiliating enough that I must cow down to Mr. MAth 800 without now have to add the Bard of Poker Magazines Lee Munzer to my list of "better than thow because I'm a SAT master". I ask you all, is that fair?
You may be wondering why I called Lee Munzer stupid? Well now that I've found that he is master of the English SAT I wonder why also. But in my defense I will say that Mr. Munzer started it! Well you make up your own mind.
I made a nasty comment about a nasty comment that Badger made about the 2 + 2 forum of which I am a regular participant. I know this sounds childish so maybe you don't want to read anymore. It's o.k. I'm venting and don't really care if anyone listens. Anyway, Munzer without any provocation from me entered the foray. I do not know Lee Munzer. Have never written to him about him or made any comments before in my entire lifetime. Yet this SAT King decided that it was o.k. to call me "despicable" in his response. Now he claims that he didn't say I was despicable he said that lies were despicable. But what he said was and I quote "I find it despicable that Vince or anyone else would stoop to degrading him through lies," He claims that he is saying that lying is depicable not me. Well I'm sorry if when the only name associated with despicable is mine that I take it personally. I suppose this must be the reason Munzer wants the English SAT challenge. I just don't understand Englis very well. "despicable that Vince..." does not mean one can associate the word despicable with Vince.
This way of looking at things that Munzer has is understandable. You see he was defending Badger in this response and Badger is one that always clarifies what he says or meant after he is called to task. Badger is also good at clarifying what others meant rather than what they said.
So, here I am, looking for guidance. Should I accept this challenge? Mabye we could make it a three way match. Me against the English Sat king and Oz, the 800 Math Wiz. Hey maybe he'll let me have a couple of folks in my corner. Like John Cole for English and Brian Aslpach or Tom Weideman for Math.
I have one other problem you may be able to help me with. What's an SAT? If I don't have one will you think less of me?
vince
Vince:
You should NOT accept the challenge. It's not worth your time. At best, when you deal with these people you are dealing with mediocrity. Why prove that you are superior to mediocre.
My attititude has always been to work on those things that I can do well and try to do them a little better. I have always felt that with this approach it's just not necessary to concern yourself with these problems no matter how irritating they might seem.
You are upset with people who despite some of their claims, are probably in the minimum wage category. I know from talking with you that your goals are much higher than this.
For years I had to take criticism from many jealous people who were quick to point out that I didn't have what it takes because in their opinion I should have been playing in bigger games. The end result is that most of these individuals are now gone from the poker scene, and the few that survived did so by studying our books. Last night at The Bellagio a person who wouldn't speak to me a number of years ago was very appreciative of some advice that I gave him (concerning a tournament no less).
It may take time, but these things do pass and if you arm yourself with the proper knowledge and use it well you will leave these people behind that you are currently annoyed with. I know from experience, and it is a very positive one.
Vince,
I agree with Mason. Don't waste your valuable time with these guys you don't like. Let's talk poker here, forget about them.
Best of Luck
mah
Vince, you got something to get off your chest? Well, I lent you a smaptytic eye. I saw your frustration and anger and thought, life is a struggle and now another man on your hit parade. My eyes swelled with moisture, I think I got dust in them.
Pondering your perdicament, it came to me like a flash of inspiration. Why put this outragious stress on yourself. Stay out of RGP, the last time I was there it was in black and white, you never knew what you were clicking on, and they didn't have Zee.
Then again, this maybe none of my business, I'll stay tuned. As a kid I always liked the TV show "The Hit Parade."
:-(
"and they didn't have Zee."
Nor his fish stories.
A challenge to see who receives the highest score on an SAT verbal test? Is this bizarre or am I crazy (maybe both)? Vince you're nuts to even consider it. Challenge Munzer to a heads up poker match and make some money. Hit him where it hurts the most.
...or maybe something else entirely. You see, Lee Munzer is no dummy. (well, I know you called himn stupid and all, but bear with me.) He's picking something he knows he's good at and with which he feels he'll have a strong edge. You, Vince, need to counter-challenge with something you know you could beat him at. And it should really be something without much of a luck factor. Do you keep in top shape like some ex-military men? Then maybe weightlifting or distance running would work. Are you a good cook, an excellent gardener, maybe a one time pool hustler or a pilot? Hey, pilot, that's the ticket. If Lee can't fly a plane, but you can, you'd have a huge edge in any sort of flying contest. Fishing - get Ray or Ed in Montana to coach you. Weren't you an engineer or something of the sort? So just challenge him to a test of engineering knowledge. Got it? Personally, stipulating no time to study, I'll challenge anyone here or on rgp to an essay test of knowledge of psychoanalytic concepts - anyone except possibly that HrgSmes guy who puts "endit" at the end of his posts. I think he's a working psychyatrist (from the generation that actually learned psychoanalytic theory... Now it's just meds up the kazoo). So there. ;*/
Vince could challenge him to a wrestling match. Anyway, what kind of challenge is an SAT? That's for sissys and wimps.
John,
Vince is Italian so he should be a favorite to be better in bed than a "Munzer". Would it be possible to line up half a dozen Las Vegas hookers for both of them to indulge in and let them vote? Could such a thing be fairly arranged or would they be too easy to bribe?
Even better, maybe Nina Hartley could make up a sex quiz which should be both fair and legal.
Regards,
Rick
I'm in, so to speak!
Vince
That's a great idea, Rick, but it doesn't answer the intelligence question.
If you want to find out who's smarter just give each of them a copy of "The Critique of Pure Reason" by Kant and demand a ten page synopsis in 48 hrs. Anybody who can finish that book and understand it has to be a genius.
Ummm...my license plate reads, "PNIS NV".
Doctor..pray tell..what does this mean? Am I ill..and can I be helped? And, most of all, do I want to be?
heh
"PNIS NV".
I don't get it? What's a Nevada PNIS? Or is PNIS a city in Nevada? It's a good thing that you didn't write Penis, which is close, because Mason might delete your post. He's deleted posts a Penis in it before. Ha, Ha, that's funny, a penis in it. Get it? No, I guess not or you wouldn't have any "NV" if you got it. Well, maybe but then at least you would have a PNIS by PROXY. That's not bad, I guess. I guess because I don't have "PNIS NV." I have "PNIS SIZE NV". That's close but not the same thing.
Vince
god, Vince (and no, that's not GOD VINCE, hehe), are you really telling me you don't get my license plate
PNIS NV
say it slowly...very slowly..allow it to roll around on your tongue...think Freud....
don't make me draw you a picture, cause i will..heh
I get it! Please reread my post above. I thought it was pretty funny. But then again I wrote it.
vince
Vince,
Please check the menu at left for our new "Vince Lepore Hates RGP and has many bones to pick" forum. I think you will find your posts better suited there. Plus, it will save you the embarassment of having everyone read your bombastic posts about personal feuds that no one really cares about, or else they would read RGP themselves.
Wrong Forum Man (aka KJS)
KJS, are you the real, original "Wrong Forum Man"? There used to be one who posted here regularly. But you don't seem quite as gentle or empathic. Maybe this is a new "tough love" approach for you?
John,
I am not the original WFM. Just thought I would poke a little fun at Vince by borrowing his identity for a minute. Vince seems to be tilting a bit, so I thought a mixture of humor and a bit of tough love might snap him out of it. Hope I was not too harsh.
KJS
Naw, Vince is tough. He even wrote a famous post once called "This Forum is Tough". He'll probably just challenge you to something now. :)
"Vince seems to be tilting a bit, "
KJS if you really believe this please be careful. Lee Munzer may comment on your ability to read players. Why, you may find that you don't know the difference between four sevens and a bluff. BTW- I do not hate rgp in any way whatsoever. I do not like the format there true but I have no feeling whatsoever about the forum participants. I post on 2 + 2 because it is the best poker forum and I find no reason to spend more time on line discussing poker anywhere else.
vince
gee john, bad guess. it was one of our first posters in the early months of the site.
by the way a few of those are still with us. earl, louie landale, tom haley, jim geary etc.
Yeah, after I wrote that I saw the "KJS". I'm sleep deprived. Has Vince contacted you for fly fishing lessons yet?
yeah, all the other early members went broke following the advice of those posters.
JG
The poker god has been very kind to the SPM this year. However, after reflecting on the past couple of months of play. The SPM remembered the words from Q-Ball, a hold'em player from Harrah's poker room in East Chicago, IN, who said "Suburban, you don't have an "A" game." Alas the Mayor of Any2card Town plays the Border Town (BT) way. The SPM plays tight & aggressive until his emotional Dragons step forward and take on a reckless approach to the game. So how is it possible for the SPM to be winning for the year and receiving an hourly rate far beyond his personal qualification?
The answer lies in three important arenas they are luck, the release factor, and being able to prolong the always lurking statistical cleansing.
Luck;
Lady Luck likes her men tight and aggressive (T&A). The longer a player plays the T&A way, the greater the opportunity of having Lady Luck smile on the their chip accumulation endeavors. The harder the player works the T&A way, the luckier the player will seem to be. The SPM dated Lady Luck for one whole week and has been flirting with her all year.
Release Factor;
Releasing all inferior hands immediately is the greatest weapon used by players from the Valley of Patience (VoP). This is their offensive battle strategy, each release creates; less action for the other players and stress on the other players desire for action. The other players resent the Rock's continuos releasing of hands. They want action and the Rock deprives them of what they crave most. Stress is created with each release, the enemy is attached repeatedly with a barrage of release, release, release... The pressure builds within the other players. Then the right hand, in the right position, and Raise! says the Rock from the Valley! Players become trapped by the release of the pressure for action and they helplessly become calling stations. Payday for the Release Factor.
The Statistical Cleansing;
Avoiding a statistical cleansing is not possible, at sometime every poker player is systematically statistically cleansed. Like the Peggy Lee song about the doggy in the window. Poker players around the world sing that song with these words,
"How much is that cleansing in the window, the one that's lurking over there..."
The answer depends on how long a player can continue to release the junk and it's temptations. When the energy to release the rags is overwhelmed by the Dragon of Action. The beginning of a Statistical Cleansing maybe approaching.
The SPM, has been releasing but sometimes that Ax suited is so irresistible from early position. Q9 suited calls from BT and says play me up front, I think you'll like the results. The responsibilities of being the Mayor of A2CT, demands playing J10 off, Q10 off and any two rags suit from early position. Elections are always lurking and the residents of A2CT want their Mayor to be a regular A2CT player.
SPM,...grinding it out and fighting the Dragon of Action, the release factor is paying dividends, Mayor status maybe in jeapordy...
SPM,
What do you mean maybe in jeapordy?!?! If anyone had to feed off the amount of action you've given this year compared to past years, they would die of starvation.
Now its time to cut this *@#& out and go back to being the Mayor. Your constituency is beginning to lose faith here.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
In life when a man wants to live a pure life, free from the temptation he becomes a monk. The monks are respected and loved by the religious community.
When a man tries to live the life of a rock, and plays in the Valley of Patience. The poker community throw stones and stick pins in dolls. The rock is miss understood, and rejected by the action players.
SPM,...looking for a monastery on poker mountain...
P.S. Send no more than the best of the jokes not all of them, between you and Al I could never read that many, thanks.
Nicholas Regush produces medical features for ABCNEWS. In his weekly column, published Wednesdays, he looks at medical trouble spots, heralds innovative achievements and analyzes health trends that may greatly influence our lives.
Here is a column he wrote for ABCnews.com.
It is taking on the appearance of a mass slaughter. A drug induced-nightmare of unprecedented magnitude for many people who have tested HIV-positive.
They have strokes, heart attacks and suffer liver and kidney damage. They develop dangerously high cholesterol and diabetes. Some of them have suffered gross deformities.
All because of anti-HIV drugs, namely the nucleoside analogues and protease inhibitors that make up the so-called combination or cocktail therapies. A name more worthy of the toxic effects listed on the drug labels would be "medical poisons."
Also alarming is that many of those who develop these afflictions are symptom-free at the start. No sign of AIDS-related illnesses or infections. But because they turn up positive on an HIV antibody test, their doctors, following the herd, hit them "hard and early" with the cocktails. In fact, the major market targets for the makers of these drugs are those without symptoms.
Pretty smart marketing, considering that many doctors will keep their patients on the cocktails even when their bodies begin to be ravaged by side effects and even after hospitalization. This is, of course, in the hope that somehow a miracle turnaround will occur and HIV will be neutralized.
Yes, there are those chronically ill people with AIDS who have reportedly arisen from their death beds once given the anti-HIV therapy. And because so much has been made of this by the press and the HIV medical establishment, it has not been easy to assess what is really going on here.
Drugs Have Anti-Viral Potential
First, these types of drugs do indeed have some anti-viral potential and in some cases might even function like antibiotics. This means that some of the viral and bacterial infections that AIDS represents might be neutralized, if only for a short period of time, before the toxic effects of the drugs take hold.
Second, these drugs have been poorly tested and their short-term effect has been inadequately associated with an impact on HIV. It has been AIDS scientist David Ho’s ill-conceived contention that HIV replicates furiously in the body -- as measured by something called "viral load."
The drugs, he argued, could reduce this load, thus possibly neutralizing the virus. Unfortunately, the HIV viral load concept is a fantasy, if not a total absurdity. Using a tool to highly amplify what little remnants there might be of HIV in the blood, Ho has taken the grand leap to associate his approach as warranting early prescriptions of these highly toxic cocktails.
Because Time had the audacity to proclaim him "Man of the Year" in 1996, the press went wild in delivering messages of hope to those with AIDS. And on the basis of a handful of anecdotal cases of miraculous recoveries.
To date, there is still no study that any of these cocktails, separate or together can extend life. And contrary to those scientists who apparently still believe in the tooth fairy, there is no evidence that the use of these cocktails is related to the decline in AIDS deaths. Deaths due to AIDS were already declining in 1994, several years before the cocktails were shot out of a marketing cannon.
Now science must confront this ongoing travesty. Those in science and medicine who are perpetuating or condoning this passive genocide will one day be held accountable.
:-)
Life in the 1500's, something interesting to ponder.
Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake."
England is old and small, and they started running out of places to bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house and reuse the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone was "saved by the bell" or he was a "dead ringer."
Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the b.o.
Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had t he privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."
Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pets... dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs."
There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found if they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed that problem. Hence those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies. I wonder if this is where we get the saying "Good night and don't let the bed bugs bite"...
The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors which would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on they kept adding more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way, hence a "thresh hold."
They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner eaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a month. Hence the rhyme: peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."
Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that happened. When company came over, they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."
Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes...for 400 years.
Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trenchers, they would get "trench mouth."
Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of The loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper crust."
:-)
I only just now saw Ratso's post on a wine discovery he'd made. It's already getting buried, so I'll try starting a new thread. I've tried a lot of California reds, mostly in the relitively affordable, but not totally unrespectable price range of about $10 to $25. I stick with Califronia wines as a token gesture of "buying American". I won't get into trying to descibe anything with wine tasters' terminology. But I like those that are relatively complex, full bodied, and "drinkable". Anyway here, in no particular order, are what I think are a few of the best values in that range:
1. Ravenswood. Any of their Zinfandels, starting with their "Vintner's Blend" at about 11 bucks. Can't go wrong here at all.
2. Marrietta Old Vine Red. A mix. Only about 10 bucks or so. A great everyday table wine.
3. Preston Faux. Also about $10 I think, a nice value. It's a California copy of the Rhone style mixes. (He says, as if he knows what he's talking about.)
4. Zingaro zinfandel. Just something I currently like.
5. If you're *really on a budget, there's a little mix called "Reds" with a picture of Mao on the cork. It's up to about $8 or so now, but is still better than most at that price. (I used to get it for about $4, where it was truly a great value.)
Of course if you move up into the thirties and higher you can find the truly superb wines. But that can get a little expensive for those of us who don't play the 20k-40k game.
... I'm tired and didn't spell check.
No Fold'em- Dreyer Sonoma 1998 Cabernet about $12-$15; Wente Livermore 1997 Cab $12; Fetzer always a good medium-end bet, try the 1997 North Coast Cab if you can find it for under 15 bucks
Mid Limits- Claudia Springs 1998 Pinot Noir $18-$20; Kendall-Jackson 1997 Vintner's Reserve Cabernet $18;
I will definitely try ratso's recomendation. I'm not sure I'm going to try anything with Mao on the cork.
One of my favorites, around $20, is Robert Mondavi Napa Valley Chardonnay (NOT the Coastal Chardonnay).
Another is Edgewood Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot. Around $15.
I've found that more expensive wines are not always better, at least to my working man's palate.
Here are some moderately expensive ($30-$60 limits) California wines that are worth it, imo:
Silverado 1997 Merlot, about $35-$40.
Acacia 1997 St. Clair Carneros Pinot Noir, $50
Robert Mondavi 1998 Napa Reserve Pinot Noir, $50
Geyser Peak 1997 Reserve Alexander Valley Cabernet, $40
That Silverado is a monster. Excellent. I have 1 left. Pepperwood Grove merlot (1997)....cheap 6.99 and amazing. Sorry I did not get a case
Wines are so suited to individual tastes. I had a 98 Ravenswood Zin that was so bad it had to be poured out! Leaves you with that feeling like when you went to the restaurant and got food poisoning and now will never go back...
Now I gotta put my own tastes on the line. And being a starving student, we're talking fairly cheap.
1. 99 Rosemount Shiraz. 11 bucks, and very drinkable.
2. 99 Cambria Katherine's Chardonnay. I got this for $16, and it is the best white wine I've ever had.
3. 98 Gallo of Sonoma Merlot. 10ish. Nice, but takes a long time to breathe.
4. 99 E. Guigal Rose. Most pink wines suck. Bad. I snagged this one on rec. from winespectator.com (they gave it a 90), and it didn't disappoint.
Enjoy!
Bill
I'm guessing you just got a bad bottle or something. Individual tastes vary, but I think it's generally really tough to find a Ravenswood zin that many people would truly dislike. Here's a link from a quick search I did on it:
http://www.winemonthclub.com/newsletters/winev1n12.htm
Mailman was retiring and he got all these wonderful gifts from the people on his route. He came to this one house and the woman met him wearing a see through teddy. She take him up stairs has sex with him and then takes him down stairs and makes him breakfast. Just as he is finishing she gives him a cup of coffee and it has a dollar bill under the cup. He asked what was up the the dollar and she told him that she and her husband were talking the night before and she mentioned that mailman was retiring and everyone in the neighborhood was getting him a gift. so i asked husband what they should give you and he said fuck him give him a dollar, she said the breakfast was my idea.
nt
Maybe it's just the wine, but LOL.
Hi Mason,
I noticed your latest add for "The Two Plus Two Forum" in Card Player(p.41). I liked it, especially the listing of recent topics directly related to poker strategy & theory to give people a taste of what they can expect. But I was wondering, now that R.P.G.(now Google)has lost about 90% of their poker-forum participants, maybe they can be coaxed over here by listing some of the more gossipy natured discussions found here on the "Other Topics" forum, such as:
(1) What ever happened to LadyGambler, and was she really a man?
(2) Badger, what an A-hole!
(3) How can I get that Sklansky character to respond to any of my questions?
(4) Con Men Hucksters Can't Handle TRUTH!!!(by Doug Grant[t.m.])
(5) "Big-Breasted Women." I like 'em, how 'bout you?
(6) etc....
"topics directly related to poker strategy & theory "
Maybe you missed that this is The "Other Topics" forum. Subjects dealing with poker do not belong here. Please put this on the appropriate forum or rgp if you like. Anonymous clowns are always welcome there.
vince
Did you read every other word of his post, you're as bad as Rounder. Learn to read!
"Learn to read!"
Shove it!
Vince
Funny list, except I would change the Doug Grant one to:
(4)Com Men Hucksters from Outer Space Knocked Up My Dog.
-Marjorie
zzz
I know you're just kidding, but what did ever happen to Lady Gambler? I forgot all about her. I miss those cat fights she used to get into with everybody.
how many single guys iron their clothes?
i left my clothes in the dryer (for a week) and now theyre really wrinkled, but hey, im a single guy, who cares.
brad
Are you talking about your sweatpants and t-shirts?
those dont wrinkle, which is why i wear them a lot.
sometimes i 'vary my play' and wear like docker pants and a long sleeve nice shirt (that i usually roll the sleeves up).
im thinking i should just stick to sweat pants and t shirts. (when i had a live in girlfriend i looked a lot beter)
brad
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If I posted it, John F would buy them all up.
You got that right, baby. AC/DC, Judas Priest (If hell had a jukebox it would play Judas Priest)...I want those Tee-shirts. My Blue Oyster Cult shirt is getting a little dated. (But don't fear the reaper.)
PS Why do my free associations seem to gravitate more toward the satanic groups?
vv
(n/t)
i left my clothes in the dryer (for a week) and now theyre really wrinkled
no problemo. Take a small towel and dampen it. Throw it in the dryer with the wrinkled clothes and run it for 15 minutes. Viola, no more wrinkles....
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In Priority Order:
1. "Wrong Forum Vince" is a bad, bad idea. The wrong guy in the wrong job. I still want the original WRONG FORUM MAN back. Where is he?
2. Hosh's Tip Of the Week has not been seen for a couple weeks now. Mason---are you paying these people minimum wage, or what?
3. Ray Zee's new Essay has capital letters and punctuation in it. This makes it very hard to follow his thoughts.
4. Can't be in L.V. for the April 20th presentation and Q&A session at the Mirage. Can someone make a bootleg videotape of this event for me? Maybe we'll make copies and sell them.
Abe
1. vince is better than nothing 2. once his tips got good we lost him 3. its like putting on a clean shirt for a funeral 4. make one for me.
1. vince is better than nothing
I demand a recount!
vince
i didnt say how much better than nothing. that leaves a whole lot of room for you.
Guess who's retired? 8:42a.m. EST = 6:42a.m. MST. The only reason any of the other posters would be up at that time would be after they were out all night playing poker.
i get up when the light comes thru the window and go to bed after jay leno's monolog,10:30 here.
Farmer Zee rises in the east and sets in the west. You sure it isn't the Cockatoo Kackling All In at the sight of the Sun****
From Portland ME, viewing a 907 Coast Guard Cutter from DiMillo's Floating Restaurant 25 Long Wharf. Food, Bars, Banks, and of course lobstermen everywhere. If you are a bricklayer this is the place to be all brick buildings, cobblestone roadways.
The Full Moon is rising on the ocean. Never been here before but I'll be back for some "Rack & Roll" to dance with Destiny.
pf
"i get up when the light comes thru the window "
Are you singing shine on shine on harvest moon when you get up? I'm just curious whether that half moon on the door that let's the light in influences your mood or not.
vince
http://www.twoplustwo.com/cgi-bin/mediumholdem.pl?read=12792
3 Bet Brett is right again----as usual.
Hosh's Tips of the Week are on the "Archives" for the Medium Stakes Forum. He has a good one from Monday March 5, and a GREAT one from Monday Feb 26th.
I actually met Hosh the last time I was at Bellagio. He seemed a smart, interesting, very friendly person. We talked about poker, computers, etc. He even took me up on the "terrace" and introduced me (the tourist) to a couple other people. What a great guy.
I'll be looking for his "Tip of the Week" tomorrow-Monday.
"Hosh...What a great guy. "
I agree!
Vince
"The wrong guy in the wrong job."
Hallelujah!
Memphis 29 Chicago 23
Don't call XFL football boring. That game was QUALITY FOOTBALL! (Well, Chicago's defense sucks, but it was a great game.)
nt
Did you really call that guy stupid? I saw a post in which you addressed him as "Hey, Stupid," but that's not quite the same as calling him stupid. Take him on in the SAT, yell out "Hey, Stupid," and when he glances your way, scream "Made you look." That should discombobulate him.
Of course, I might have missed a post in which you actually did call him stupid.
John
John, you seem to be catching on to internet style reasoning just perfectly.
PS: Now don't go saying that I said you had caught on to internet style reasoning. I SAID NO SUCH THING, YOU BLOCKHEAD!!! ;)
Sounds more like the reasoning of a certain ex-poster whose posts were deleted.
"Did you really call that guy stupid? "
No! Well, maybe. But I didn't mean it. I guess. Well, maybe. I don't like it when someone I don't know calls me names. So Sometimes I take offense. So maybe I called him a name. O.K so I did call him stupid. Maybe I was wrong. He may not be stupid. I mean now how would I know if he is stupid. So I was just guessing. Maybe he's real smart. After all he took a SAT once and apparently done good. So he mussa be not stupid. I guess. So If I get to talk to him again I guess I better be careful about what I call him. Hell, if I call him stupid again he may challenge me to a... duel. Then I would be in big trouble because I would have to choose the weapons. I doubt if handkerchiefs tied aroud the little pinky at fifty paces would come anywhere near an English SAT challenge. Close, but not quite on the same level. But it's the only thing that I'm good at. Dear me, what am I do do?
Vince
Vince,
What are you to do? Hell, what am I to do? Some anonymous poster calling himself John F. called me a "BLOCKHEAD." In all caps, no less.
John
"BLOCKHEAD."
If the BLOCK fits....
Vince
Come on, man, I'm trying run the same demonstration here that Vince has been running on rgp. It's performance art, kinda. But it doesn't seem to take here the way it does there. Anyway, if you don't like "blockhead", I may be forced to bring out the heavy artillery ('zat spelled right? Somebody flame me for my spelling!), Mr. Poopy!
Mr. She-Jazz
John,
Now you have struck the mortal blow: Mr. Poopy, indeed. Watch out there, fella, or I may be forced to respond in kind. I have my book of Shakespearean insults ready, but I far too civilized for that, Mr. Pop Psycholoologist, Men are from Penis, I'm Okay, but You're a Pain in the A**.
You and Karen Finley can keep your performance art. Hmmm, Finley? What is it with those six letter names beginning with an F and ending with a Y? What do those two letters call to mind? Sorry, can't think of it right now.
John
What happened to word of the century and milenium? I can't wait to find out the reasoning on that one.
Rick
Rick,
Below I explained that before "she," English had only the word "seo," the pronoun for women. Until "she" was coined, no pronoun existed which indicated one woman although "he" already existed. The panel thought that "jazz" was the most important word coined in the 20th century. I think "jazz" is a pretty good choice. I don't have the link handy, but the selections were made by the American Dialect Society.
John
why would modernbride advertise on 2 + 2 forum...how many posters on this forum are likely to become brides in the next year...that 2 + 2 executives (Mason?) could actually sell advertising to such an unlikely prospect....it means you all really are wasting your time with poker and should have MBA's and be senior executive vice presidents in Fortune 50 corps...gl
Release, release, release, with great regularity the SPM spent most of his Saturday releasing cards into the muck. Should someone ask how was your Saturday? The answer would be it was a winning day. The amazing thing is trying to remember the winning hands, they escaped the mind of the SPM. Memories lost in the corner of the SPM's mind, memories of winning hands lost in the barrage of released hands. The reality of this dilemma is when you play in the Valley of Patience (VoP) you play a tight & aggressive game. Tight must mean release, and aggressive must mean raise.
Raise, when did the SPM say that glorious word, that creates fear in the hearts of the hold'em enemies? The game was ok nothing to brag about. But six hours of release, release, release where's the glory, the war stories, the bad beat stories, heck there all lost in the mind of the SPM.
It was early in the game and the SPM was in release mode. He had been as much as one and a half stacks up. Then just a quarter of a stack up, yo yo poker. The SPM's eyes were heavy and he required rest. The night before had been movie night with the Mrs., and the SPM got a good nights sleep. So why the heavy eyes? Another mystery but no time to delve into that mystery today. The action required was transcendental meditation. The SPM put on his meditation glasses that look a lot like sun glasses, you know the kind that has a mirror on the outside, and sight on the inside.
The SPM took an easy chair in the high limit room at Harrah's Casino, East Chicago, IN. He closed his eyes and began his mantra tight & aggressive, tight & aggressive, then REM. Twenty minuets into REM and the SPM, feels the touch of a security guards hand and his voice, " no sleeping in the Casino Sir." The SPM opened his eyes behind the one way meditation glasses and assured the Casino Cop he wasn't sleeping, just taking a break from the poker game. The Cop leaves. Within five minutes the SPM is back in REM, twenty minutes later the Casino Cop returns, "no sleeping in the Casino sir," he tells the a waking SPM. "I wasn't sleeping the SPM says to the sleep police." "Sir, your head was bobbing." snapped the Casino Cop. The SPM now rested, returned to the game to reestablish his release mode.
And so it went hour after hour, release, release, release, no one said playing in the VoP was going to be fun and exciting. Winning is your only reward, and if you can't remember how you won well better luck next time.
SPM,...another winning week, and no memory of saying RAISE...
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:-)
Join David and Mason for a question and answer session on Friday, April 20 from 3:00pm to 4:30pm in the St. Kitts room at The Mirage
:-)
SPAM,
S&M must of got in some new leather so they couldn't answer my ??????????????????????????
ns
The peasants of each House of the Royal Flushes, tilled or tilted the territories they lived. The House of the Nines ruled as landlords in some territories. Peasants fighting together and making incredible wins on the battle field, in the land of Hold'em, are beyond belief. The tales of the 9 & 7 winning a big one during the "Any Suit Will Do Battle" are still told to baby twin dues before they enter the battle field for the first time on a new frontier.
The peasants tilled or tilt, plus they had many responsible positions, with members of the Court of the Royal Flushes. The Q & 7 of any, brain stormed like two networked computers. The J and the son 5 became the hottest band in all the Kingdoms, of the Courts of the Royal Flushes. The King Eight and when it suited him, the King Eight threw the battle field like hot knife thru butter. When the Queen Eight, she could always go straight, to the deserts.
The peasants knew they would never rule in the land of Hold'em for any substantial period of time. The Courts of the Royal Flushes were to mighty a force to be dominate. However, the peasants strength was in their numbers, and they could cause random persecution. Even in the 21st century, in the land of Hold'em, the gaming battle field is plagued with Random Persecution.
"I hate pocket aces!" says the battered and beaten hold'em player. "They always beat me with rags, I never get a break." he adds. Warning Sign! Danger Will Robinson danager! You have entered the first stage of "Random Persecution." Should you notice players around you, begging to change seats with other players, this is Warning Sign # Two. Random Persecution, we all have seen it, felt it, tasted it, lived with it, and would like to never see it again.
SPM,...my eyes are closed and I won't open them again until the persecution of my chips stop...
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This is an open forum for other topics. Suburban Poker Man always lists his name. Please feel free NOT to read any of his posts.BUT many of us do enjoy reading them.
Thanks for sharing your Feeeeeeeeelings Toni.
maybe there is too much truth there for you, earl...denial is not just a river in egypt...many top players live to click onto the further adventures of the mighty SPM...go you mighty SPM...
scalf wrote: "maybe there is too much TRUTH there for you", and then something about "denial."
Hi scalf, my aunt worked as a nurse in a mental institution for about 27 years, and she used to tell me how the patients favorite two words to use were "truth" and "denial", but especially the word "truth." [They are also two of Doug Grant's favorite words to throw around.] The more paranoid the patient, the more likely you are to hear those words. I get the creeps when I hear people use those words in the way you used them, but of course a mental patient would just tell me, "That's because I can't handle 'TRUTH.'
-Randy
Earl Ward,
Thanks for taking the time to read my post. So sorry that your first read was babble and not intertaining. I use 2+2 for my on sanity, not all my thoughts come to the surface as I would like, some I guess are babble. Should you find my next post as bad a as this babble, you might want to skip the rest. I will dedicate my next post to you.
SPM,...play long and prosper...
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sell me some of that stuff you're doin'.......
sell me some of that stuff you're doin'.......
It's called a Statistical Cleansing, I'll send a pound or two to you. Send me your poker address.
SPM,...play long and prosper...
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Your post is one of the clearer explanations of Morton's Theorem I have seen.
Regards.
Okay, I begged, bribed, cajoled (you guys do not want to know what this entailed, trust me) my husband into agreeing I can take off a few days to go play poker. Now all the tourneys are happening at the end of March, I know. But where to go now? Foxwoods? Vegas? AC? I want to try California, but am a bit wary as I have not been there before.
Please respond with where you think the best action is next week.
thanks, desire
P.S. florida is out, i hear they got rabid gators there
Come to LV and look for a young fat guy in the Bellagio 30-60's picking off all Mason's raises.
JG
lurked your website last nite and enjoyed it...still married?...gl
Yep. Maybe I should update the pictures to reflect the ongoing bliss, but just add 25 pounds to both of us from the wed pix and you got an idea. Access logs don't reveal a high correlation between poker letters surfing and wedding pix viewing. Surprisingly. You must be 1Cust112.tnt9.denver2.co.da.uu.net or speedway.autobahn.mb.ca or you were on after midnight eastern.
JG
I'll be in AC. It has been said that a game with me in it is a good game. See you.
vince
Was hoping to run into you again at Foxwoods sometime soon. Come on down almost any Tuesday night, and you'll find me.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Hey Vince, I'll be in AC this weekend for my birthday, and I'll probably be taking my shot at 10-20 (even though u advised against) at the Trop, but I'll mostly be playing 5-10. Just wondering where you'll be playing and what games, maybe I can buy you a drink or something. If I don't see you, I hope you rake in the cash.
Jeff
Hey Jeff, lets page Vince from the podium. That's how we'll find him. I'll be there too. I think Vince stays under the boardwalk. Let's ask him. I owe him $5. I have been staying out of his way.
LA is where the action is all the time. You haven't played poker until you have played there. Choose from the Commerce, Bike, Hollywood Park, or Hawaiian Gardens. Or slum it at the Normandie. You probably won't have enough time to play all the poker LA has to offer.
tunica, baby jack binion is building a tourney destined to overtake WSOP...gl
yeah, Jack McClelland told me about the tourney. But that isn't happening until the end of march. I need action now now now now now.
The week/weekend from the 14-21,AC will be the place to be. The summer between Memorial day and Labor day,AC is the place to go. Naturally in the cold monmths except for this week, LV is probably the place. Other places are lame.
Desire,
Considering I'm going to be in Vegas the 16-19 of March with 30 guys for a bachelor party I would think the best action is going to be there.
"Rook"
Nuh uh! I dun told ya at the tables. You're WAY too fertile, darlin'.
Bring him to Hollywood Desire. The action is so hot they melted my days bank roll in 2 1/2 hours on Sunday.
SPM,...also looking for the action...
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Sorry to say that the action at Foxwoods won't be great until the tourneys actually start on 3/28. Maybe a day or 2 in advance, but probably not, given that the 28th is a Wednesday. The action will really heat up by that Friday, I'm sure.
Most of the year, the regular limit games at Foxwoods just aren't that great.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Hope this helps.
http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/mark/tournpicks09.htm
Rounder,
Thanks so much for the tournament webpage. It helped greatly. I had forgotten about Canterbury Park in Minnesota. Thanks again, luv.
anyone order anthing from modernbide.com yet?....
:-)
Subject: You thought you knew everything??
1. Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated. 2. Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite. 3. There are 293 ways to make change for a dollar. 4. The average person's left hand does 56% of the typing. 5. A shark is the only fish that can blink with both eyes. 6. There are more chickens than people in the world. 7. Two-thirds of the world's eggplant is grown in New Jersey. 8. The longest one-syllable word in the English language is "screeched." 9. On a Canadian two dollar bill, the flag flying over the Parliament building is an American flag. 10. All of the clocks in the movie "Pulp Fiction" are stuck on 4:20. 11. No word in the English language rhymes with month, orange, silver, or purple. 12. "Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the letters "mt." 13. All 50 states are listed across the top of the Lincoln Memorial on the back of the $5 bill. 14. Almonds are a member of the peach family. 15. Winston Churchill was born in a ladies' room during a dance. 16. Maine is the only state whose name is just one syllable. 17. There are only four words in the English language which end in "dous" tremendous, horrendous, stupendous, and hazardous. 18. Los Angeles' full name is "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula" 19. A cat has 32 muscles in each ear. 20. An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. 21. Tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur. 22. In most advertisements, the time displayed on a watch is 10:10. 23. Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer. 24. The characters Bert and Ernie on Sesame Street were named after Bert the cop and Ernie the taxi driver in Frank Capra's "It's a Wonderful Life." 25. A dragonfly has a life span of 24 hours. 26. A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds. 27. A dime has 118 ridges around the edge. 28. It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. 29. The giant squid has the largest eyes in the world. 30. In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak. 31. The microwave was invented after a researcher walked by a radar tube and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. 32. Mr.Rogers is an ordained minister. 33. The average person falls asleep in seven minutes. 34. There are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball. 35. "Stewardesses" is the longest word that is typed with only the left hand. NOW YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!
For number 9 the flag on top of Parliament is not the U.S. flag although this is a common misconception because it does look like the U.S. flag. A few years ago there was a little controversy up here about it. So some guy from the Canadian Mint came on TV and explained it. If you look at it from a magnifying glass you can see it's not the U.S, flag. I can't remember exactly what flag it is but I think it is some sort of English military flag. Although there are so few two dollar bills now that I don't even have one to look at.
"10. All of the clocks in the movie "Pulp Fiction" are stuck on 4:20."
explains the Amsterdam references in the Movie.
You CAN sneeze with your eyelids open! You can I say! You just have to hold them open...he he. If you watch someone perform this feat, their eyes will roll back in their head every time.
When you say, "You just have to hold them open." I assume you mean with your fingers?
Yes, sorry about that, thumbs and forefingers. I should proof read my stuff more carefully.
what about "scratched"and "thrashed"?
The Randy Ferbey rink from Alberta upsets pre-tournament favorites Ontario and Manitoba to win the Brier. Fabulous tournament, with circus shots aplenty. Huge TV numbers as always, and all the sets in the poker room glued to the action throughout the week.
Just so the 'Mericans get some sort of how big curling is in Canada: we have a provincial election here today to determine our government for the next 4-5 years. Front Page above the fold on the Edmonton Journal this morning: five columns with big color picture "Clean sweep to victory" headline. Provincial election got one column off to the side.
I can hear the mocking already, but just remember this. Curling is an Olympic sport, the XFL isn't. Out.
I currently live in washington state but luckily we get CBC. I was able to watch my Manitoba team lose. That shot the Alberta skip made in the 4th end killed Manitoba. Not sure if we should have tried that triple takeout in the 9th end.
Curling rules,
Ken Poklitar
Give Burtnyk credit for trying it, though. He's played these guys enough on the Tour to know that one down coming home without the hammer is very slim odds, too. Lord knows Kerry made enough big shots during the week. You wouldn't have seen them as the games were on TSN, but he made an angle triple raise double for five mid-week against Quebec that was unbelievable.
Burtnyk's team talked him into trying a shot he didn't want to try. He even termed it a "Hail Mary".
Still, they should have had the Brier in Alberta. Then when the pigeon started flying around, half the audience would have pulled out hunting rifles and that would have been the end for Mr Pigeon.
David "As long as CockyBoy Middaugh lost, Im happy" Ottosen
nt
Somewhere someone on this forum said that there is an RGP thread describing this monster game at the Bellagio where Ted Forrest is destroying some rich guy from Texas head up.
Does anybody know the date and title of this thread? I tried looking but couldn't find it.
Regards,
Rick
Rick
Look in the High Stakes forum for thread called "Huge game at Bellagio today 3/7", posted 3/7 (duh). Does not mention Ted Forrest, but does talk of a game at that limit with Chip Reese.
KJS
The Dallas banker lost close to 6 million. Ted Forrest walked away with 2.5 million.
There were 2 threads on this.
1)$10,000.-$20,000. HE at Bellagio dated 3/8
2)Question for Razzo: $10K-$20K Hold em game dated 3/10
The first one eventually got around to the 20K-40K discussion.
Randy Collack
So I opened my big mouth the other day to a friend. I said just off the top of my (verysmall) brain... I'll bet you W gets reelected, he's a shoe in! My friend disagreed and then asked me what odds I would give him. So I just said 4 to 1 without thinking. Thats not right is it? how would we figure? thank you
dumber
To soon to tell but I am no expert on political bets I lost $2k in 1992 betting against a failed, lying, draft dodging, adultering sleazy governor from a small southern state would bead a WWII war hero and decent man.
In this age of lies and spin it is never a good idea to bet on the outcome of an election where such a stupid ignorant population have the vote.
I lost when a coke snorting, deserter, alcoholic, English illiterate, spoiled mama's boy used his fathers intelligence contacts to steal the election over a war veteran and decent man. I agree with Rounder's assessment of the typical voter.
You forgot that the deserter, coke head, mama's boy is also sleazy.
No, the whole country lost when that happened.
Well I'll take Bush anyday over the lying pack of democrats running in the last 3 elections. Bush may have the odd moment during public speaking but you have absolutely no proof of any of the other lies you just spouted about him - where as clinton is a "documented" coke user and draft dodger.
Bush has an honorable discharge and algor has his problems with his "short" Nam tour.
Bush did not report for duty for 18 months after he was grounded fro being drunk. His father arranged a discahrge in lieu of a court martial for desertion. It's the truth. Look it up. He acknowledges that he is an alcoholic. He refuses to answer questions about cocaine(the press assumes that he did lots of it). Florida is still being investigated. Al Gore honorably served in Vietnam and did his 13 month tour. Youn are delusional.
As for your bullshit about Bush military record it is more bullshit pure and simple - you fucking democrats like to take a clerical error and make it into a crime where as you have has the most corrupt man in office clinton in the histoyr of this country and think nothing of it.
We know what Roger Clinton said about his brother and there were many witnesses to his coke use but with no proof you condem Bush as a drug addict - more bullshit.
He has a drinking problem "SO THE FUCK WHAT" who hasen't had a problem - he has won his battle so far.
You pricks on the left give me a major pain in the ass.
I feel sorry for you.
and I DON'T feel sorry for you.
More delusions froma delusional lost soul. You rfather and those sisters simply made you a ruined man.
More delusions from a delusional lost soul. Your father and those sisters simply made you a ruined man.
you dispicable pinko commie, we finally have a President who acts like one and you rail and bitch about him, foaming of the mouth "lies" from you!~ demented liberal farce excuse for human being swarming in your own excrement of fantasy, denials and lies 'the parties over punk' you lose G.W. won, schools out.
Bush acts like a retard who flunked kindergarten. Cheney is running the day to day. This country has not been under more internal peril since the civil war. Bush is totally incompetent.Of course, people who like "jack-n-boots" will like a dictatorship. That's what we are living under:an unelected dictator who can't speak in complete sentences.
same ol' song and dance from defeated(deflated)Prozac depraved liberals, only dictactor here is YOU being a prisoner of your own libera-dical rhetoric (backwash) drivel.
You may all just laugh this off, but I know someone who went to school with W and did cocaine with him. I'll put my "good reputation" on the line, for whatever that's worth.
Bush will have the power of the incumbency, but his foreign policy( which basically wants a return to cold war status-and war-(this is designed solely to line the pockets of his backers), and his reckless domestic budget(according to Rubin, and Volcker) will leave the prosperity of the last 10 years in a hole that may take 20 years to overcome. The man is the most corrupt , buffoon to ever take office.
nt
I am not getting involved this time........
4 years in presidential politics is a lifetime so figuring these odds is tough but what you'd need to consider (in my opinion) is the following:
--where you think the economy will be (regardless of whether it is rooted in fact Presidents get blamed for the status of the economy or praised for it, ask Bush Sr. and Clinton) --What you think will have happened with the big three issues Bush campaigned on, tax cuts, entitlement reform, and education reform. He needs to get credit for at least 2 out of 3 of these to build a strong record to run on. And also other accomplishments he'll be able to point to. --whether Bush can make inroads with African-Americans, Hispanics, and/or indpendent voters over the next 3 years. If he can really get a toe hold with these groups, watch out. --The potential strength of the Democratic field, Evan Bayh, John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, John Edwards, Dick Gephardt, Tom Daschle, Tom Vilsack, Gray Davis, and of course, Al Gore have all dipped their toes in the water one way or another already, how formidable could any of them be? --The intangibles that can change the political landscape, war, national crisis of some sort, some cathartic national experience etc...hard to quantify this but important. --The power of incumbancy. This is huge and can swing a close race, so if you think it won't be close, discount this, if you think it will, it's a factor.
All in all, I'd say it's about even money right now. Bush has some good things going for him (not the least of which is congressional redistricing which will help Republicans)but also some potentially big time liabilities. I'd be relucatant to wager either way for at least a little while longer, until the mid-term 2002 elections shape up. 4-1 might end up being right, it's just too soon to know.
The SPM took yesturday off, so he could lick his wounds from Sundays Statistical Cleansing.
SPM,...enjoy the post from the Chairman...
Subj: UA Handles "The Irate Customer" Date: 3/9/01 10:43:48 PM Central Standard Time From: feeney4@mediaone.net (John M. Feeney) To: MichaelD8@aol.com (D, Michael)
For all of you out there who've had to deal with an irate customer, this one is for you. An award should go to the United Airlines gate agent in Denver for being smart and funny, and making her point, when confronted with a passenger who probably deserved to fly as baggage.
A crowded United flight was canceled. A single agent was rebooking a long line of inconvenienced travelers. Suddenly an angry passenger pushed his way to the desk. He slapped his ticket down on the counter and said, "I HAVE to be on this flight and it has to be FIRST CLASS."
The agent replied, "I'm sorry, sir. I'll be happy to try to help you, but I've got to help these folks first, and I'm sure we'll be able to work something out."
The passenger was unimpressed. He asked loudly, so that the passengers behind him could hear, "Do you have any idea who I am?"
Without hesitating, the gate agent smiled and grabbed her public address microphone. "May I have your attention please?" she began, her voice bellowing throughout the terminal. "We have a passenger here at the gate WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHO HE IS. If anyone can help him find his identity, please come to the gate."
With the folks behind him in line laughing hysterically, the man glared at the United agent, gritted his teeth and swore, "F*** you!"
Without flinching, she smiled and said, "I'm sorry, sir, but you'll have to stand in line for that, too!"
nt
Anybody read Card Player? If so you probably know that Lou Krieger is a poker writer that claims to know something about poker. I've read some of his stuff. I've even bouthg his Hold'em excellance book. I sent it to my son when I found it was a good beginner's book.
I have never had any correspodance with this feelow before in my life. Never met him. Yet he felt it necessary to add his sarcastic two cents to a very inflammatory thread I was involved in up on rgp. I mention this only as evidence that Badger is blindly respected by many in the poker community. Krieger's entrance into the foray with his sly little attack on me is further evidence that I am corret. I wonder if Badger called him and Lee Munzer and asked if they would help him because I am such a formidable opponent. I believe they agreed to do thia along with Badger wife Peggy Smith in an effort to knock me from my highly held position here on 2 + 2.
I beg all of you please do not fall for this chicanery. I am still desereving of your worship. Do not let the Munzer's and Krieger's of the world destroy your beautiful thoughts of this most wonderful treasure, Me.
Seriously, as Badger would say when he was trying to make things real that were'nt, I responded to Badger's cesspool remarks because I felt he was listened to by too many in the poker world. Looks good for my side. Thanks, Lou Krieger!
Vince
Vince,
I sort of noticed that your side over there at that other place seems to be comprised of you. Now, how many RGPers does it take to handle you? Most of them?
I always keep three Biblical quotes ready:
1. "Tis better to dwell in the desert than live with an angry and contentious woman"." (Mary really likes this one!)
2. "Don't kick against the pricks." Ah, what the hell--keep kicking.
3. "Like a dog to its vomit, a fool returneth to his folly." Feel free to use this one against one of your targets.
BTW, Lou Kreiger is a friend of Rick's, and I'm sure if he's Rick's friend, he usually a decent guy.
Exactly how many people have you called an asshole over there?
Some people may be getting the wrong impression about you Vince, but we (me, at least) still think of you as a "most wonderful treasure."
John
"Exactly how many people have you called an asshole over there?
I do't know exactly. But I am finished over there so I guess I didn't call enough of them assholes because I have'nt got using "asshole" down pat yet.i wonder if Fortunately Bob and Neal another asshole or two have responded here so I can gain more experience. I hope Bob and Neal are not really Badger cause I already called him an asshole and then they wouldn't count.
Vince
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a good poker player and a good guy....
JG
"a good poker player and a good guy.... "
Jim,
This is beautiful. It is exactly the way I would respond if someone I felt was a good guy was attacked the way I went after Krieger. I feel very good about my previous apology to you now. Your defense of Krieger and the manner in which you voiced it is in my opinion admirable.
Unfortunately I do not have the same opinion of Kriger that you do. I hope you can understand my view of Krieger. The only time I have had any dealings with this guy is via his response in the 2 + 2 cesspool thread on rgp. His remarks were no big deal. They were cute and on the money. But they were made in an inflammatory thread. A very disgusting inflammatory thread. And they were made towards me. He gave a bunch of "assholes" more amunition to throw my way. So excuse me if I put him in the Badger, Carson et, al camp but thatis how I view this guy. He 's as much a terd as Badger and Munzer as far as I'm concerned.
But I thank you for taking the time to honestly express your poin of view. Especially without a personal negative attack towards me.
Vince
...what the heck has got into you lately over there?
Anyway, I think I found the one post on RGP where "Lou" got involved in your thread. It seemed to involve grammar and didn't attack you directly. Since I need help with grammar, I keep John Cole as an advisor on this forum and Lou Krieger as my advisor when I post on RGP. Believe me, Lou is just as good a guy as John and visa versa.
I'm pretty sure you are a good guy based on reports from my Foxwood spies but I must say I can't fathom why you got involved in all that BS over there, unless that snowstorm back East was so bad that you got a little crazy.
My advice would be to stick to strategy posts for the most part. BTW, my Hero quoted you on the Medium Limit Holdem Forum a couple days ago and you didn't even respond. She was really hurt. Spend more time over here and be a Hero to my Hero.
Regards,
Rick
Rick,
I'm a little surprised at your response.
"...what the heck has got into you lately over there? "
Maybe I'm misreading you but this sure seems more like a statement than a question. Apparently you feel that I'm the bad guy in this whole mess. Interesting but not surprising given some of the comments I made over on rgp. But since you seem to have made up your mind that Krieger was in the right and I was off base with my responses "over there" plus maybe the whole mess was my doing I see no reason to explain myself.
Vince,
What I meant is “What do you expect to gain by getting into extended arguments over there?” I haven't followed the whole thread in detail (and time won't permit) but it is a given that there are some on RGP that just don't like 2+2 and this sort of thing won't change it. OTOH, if I heard I was directly attacked I might respond once or twice but when you get into an extended name calling “diatribe” (John Cole, is that the right word?), it doesn't make ANYONE look good, including 2+2. And you know looking good is what I am all about J.
I didn't say Krieger was right or wrong (John below says he is in fact wrong). My point was that he made a short post that didn't attack you directly in any way I could discern and your response here seemed to be an overreaction.
BTW, Hero still hopes you respond to her post (the one where she says “Make Fear Your Friend”) on the Medium Limit Forum. Also read Gabe's response under her post. It is hilarious. Let's talk Poker (and movies and fishing)!
Regards,
Rick
Rick,
BTW, I read Lou's grammar post; if you see him, tell him he's wrong. While the misplacement of the word "only" may lead to ambiguity, it certainly does not limit the meaning in the way he suggests.
Say hello to Steve if he's still there.
John
I had to read through ten posts to figure out that this was all about grammar, not poker. I simply responded to something on RGP about the proper placement of the adverb, "only" in a sentence, and quoted the "Gregg Reference Manual," which is an athorative source on grammar and usage. Geeeez, if I'm gonna generate a thread with this many posts, I would hope it would be about something more substantive than a reference book's recommendations about adverb placement.
Yes, but Vince does make a good point. Even though you were only having a little fun with the grammar, you had to know that you were pouring a little more gasoline on the fire and were encouraging another round of attack posts. So in the future I hope you can stay out of these things.
Lou,
You should know there's no such thing as an "authoritative source" after reading through this thread. :-}
John
Krieger wrote
"I simply responded to something on RGP about the proper placement of the adverb, "only" in a sentence, and quoted the "Gregg Reference Manual," "
What he actually wrote on rgp was
#Strunk and White probably thinks "only" is a word best left unused, because it's a word that's so often misused. But you don't need a guide in this instance.. To say, "I only have one 'm' on my keyboard," means your keyboard has but one letter on it, and that letter is "m." I know of no keyboards that come this poorly equipped. Most contain the entire alpahbet."
If all he was doing was responding to the proper placement of the adverb "only" why was it necessary to make the comment "I know of no keyboards that come this poorly equipped. Most contain the entire alpahbet."
To touchy me it seems clear that he was sarcastically demeaning the author of the comment concerning one m on his keyboard. The author in this case was me. I could be wrong but I doubt it!
P.S. Looks like Dunc wins his bet. I couldn't resist not responding to this lie!
Vince
Vince,
Sneaking in at two in the morning! Didn't your parents warn you about this?
John
p.s. Maybe you're right.
Vinnie, if this really is you (you normally have listed your email address behind your name - tell?), please keep in mind that I only established the O/U line on your return.
Had I been a gambler, I probably would have taken a slight 'over', figuring that sometime around 1 a.m. Saturday you would get home from the Friday Night Wars and regale us with some tale of woe from the evening.
Looks like I was was off base, but that's nothing new the ways things have gone at the tables for me this week.
xx
nt
But Vince, you have to admit that the post from Fujiyama33204(in the thread "Cesspool,Sklansky, Badger, etc...") explaining why you use the term "asshole" was damn funny!
Kissinger once said that the reason academic feuds are so heated is because so very little is at stake. Or something like that. Anyway, I think this applies to you, Vince, and your war over on RGP.
Who cares?! I can think of at least 40 other things I'd rather do at any given minute than exchange heated posts with a bunch of poker gnomes I've never met and never plan on meeting.
BTW, I think poker is the only game/ sport in the world that has such spiteful, small minded twits as is spokespeople. Can you imagine Michael Jordan acting like a wiseass on the NBA.com website?
Can someone please remind me where to find images of playing cards. The ones that some folks used in posts a while back. I am making a web site and want to use them. Thanks.
KJS
KJS,
Here is the link courtesy of "Dick In Pheonix", a formally frequent poster. BTW, please don't use them in posts like Izmet and Abdul. I can't afford the color cartridges for my inkjet :-).
Link To Images of Playing Cards
Regards,
Rick a.k.a. "Mr. Text"
Rick, you can always set your printer to graytones only. But you know that don't you.
Haven't been to HP lately. Was nice to see you in person. I know you don't work there anymore. Hope you are in the big win column.
Heated nightly debates, Vinces blood pressure rising, Steve Badgers air-head ego expanding, uncensored colorful use of the English language, pass the beer and nachos please(extra peppers). Sic'em Vince Lepore.
Sorry, didn't have enough room for the "No Messege" abreviation (n/t).
Every once in a while I'll see somebody use a word like "that" used back-to-back in a sentence, example:
(1) I understand that that is the way it should be done.
Is there a mistake being made here? If you drop one of the words in question, don't you express the same thought? Example:
(2) I understand that is the way it should be done.
Thanks for any help.
,,,
There's really nothing wrong with the back-to-back "that." However, a good "rule" to follow is one "that" per independent clause. Your samples, though, have different meanings. You could rewrite: "I understand the way it should be done." You can probably see how this differs from your first sample, though. My sentence implies "it" can be done one way; your first sentence shows that "it" can be done numerous ways but "that that" is the best way. Now, if you compare my revision two your two samples, you'll see the difference between your two samples. The first implies alternative methods of doing "that"; the second says you understand the one way "it" should be done.
John
The second 'that' is absolutely redundent, and creates and 'infantile sentence', to quote an old english teacher of mine. The word 'that' is one of the most overused words in written english.
Whenever I write a page I go back and am usually able to cull out a handful of extraneous 'thats'. It makes for much more presentable writing.
(I don't understand Cole's comparison of the sentenct with no 'that' at all in it, since your question was about one or two inclusions of 'that'.
A writing instructor for college english 101 told my class a funny thing once while he lectured us against juvenile writing. He said when he took our papers home to grade(reports on 'Dante's Inferno'), there were so many "that's" in them that he had the heebie-jeebies when he layed down to sleep that night. His mind was a swirl of 'Dante says that', 'Dante thinks that . . . ' ad infinitum.
Nick,
Read both sentences again; the sentence with the two "that's" implies more than one way of doing whatever it is, and the speaker now understands the best approach. The second says the speaker understands how it should be done. For example, suppose someone were showing you how to do a math problem that you solved using one method, but the solution required you to use one approved method. You might respond, "I understand that that is how it should be done." Now, if the problem could be solved using one specific method you didn't understand until someone showed you, you would respond, "I understand that is how it should be done."
I also recommend deleting useless "that's," but relative clauses and relative pronouns are required in writing, more so than in speech. Your old English teacher was cautioning you against combining strings of relative clauses in the same sentence. Of course, you're right about "Dante says that." Dante says, ... is sufficient.
John
The first "that" is a relative pronoun; the second is a demonstrative pronoun. Although both are the same word, they serve different functions within the first sentence. Hope this helps.
John
(1) I understand that that is the way it should be done.
(2) I understand that is the way it should be done.
Neither of these sentences is excluding the possiblity of there being more than one approach.
Both sentences say the speaker 'understands how it should be done' - not just the second.
The extra 'that' adds nothing but a bit of confusion.
I got in touch with my old english teacher! Here's his response. Seems you have a point john.
" I understand that that is how it should be done.
You can drop the first that without injuring the meaning of the sentence. However, if used, it does function grammatically as a subordinating conjunction, joining the subordinate clause(that that is how it should be done)to the main clause(I understand). The second that in this construction is a demonstrative pronoun that refers to whatever it is they're talking about here, the manner of doing. Me, I say get rid of as much shit as you can, so I wouldn't double up here, generally speaking.
Okay? Cheerio! "
Nick,
Now exactly how old is your "old" English teacher? :-}
Actually, it's a relative clause since the first "that" is a relative pronoun, not a conjuction. But us (shouldn't that be "we"?) old English teachers tend to get a bit addled at times.
John
Reminds me of my favorite Built to Spill line:
Frank thought it twice And thought that that that made it true Some brains just work that way That's what chemicals can do
KJS
Remember:
That that is is that that is not is not.
Remember:
That that is, is. That that is not, is not.
I remember one that used seven "thats" consecutively, and it could be properly punctuated.
John
Okay, I give up. What is the sentence that uses that seven times consecutivly?
Is there any mediaction one can take to mend a broken heart, is there a medical procedure, how about therapy or is it one of those things that time heals. As in time heals all things.
This is nothing to do with poker or romance.
Just a middle aged guy with the world coming apart and powerless to fix it.
Go to psychotherapy. This is legitimate advice, and not a flame.
Dear Rounder,
It is the most devastating and earth-shattering thing to be heart sick. And no one can empathize unless they are writhing in that sea of pain at the very same time. Pain is transitory. And as soon as it's gone, you forget how very ugly it was. Time will dull the pain. Allow yourself the strength to withstand the time it will take to see you through the blackest of hours. Take each hour as they come. Focus on getting through that hour before worrying about the next. Realize that you are a gift and that one day, you'll find someone that will appreciate and thank God that they have found you. And in the end, the sun will shine once more.
"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears, or the sea." - Isak Dinesea
ok ok..screw the syrupy crap.
rectangulator is right. Find a good professional listener..one that knows their stuff and by "stuff", I mean an intelligent mind that has trained in the field of psycho analysis. Freud was once asked what he could tell us about the human psyche that we fail to understand. And he responded, "That we all are so very much alike."
"No man is an island."
And I swear to you, that is my last damn quote.
*smile*
Rounder -- There are broken hearts and then there are broken hearts. When it goes beyond the routine kind of grieving or anguish most anyone would feel under the circumstances it's time to think about some sort of help beyond just the healing of time. I have to agree with rectangulator and desire. In fact I am partial to psychoanalytic approaches as well. There are even medications which can help, at least as a stop gap measure. But - and this is my bias to be taken FWIW - I think they kind of mask sypmtoms rather than allowing you to get at the root cause (though they have their place and may sometimes be necessary). There are well trained psychoanalytic therapists of a number of kinds, but their levels of training vary. Your best guarantee of someone really thoroughly trained in psychoanalytic technique is to find a certified psychoanalyst. A true psychoanalyst has trained some seven years or so *beyond graduate or medical school (some are Ph.D.s, some M.D.s, and others M.A.s in areas like social work), specifically in the technique of psychoanalysis. If you're lucky your medical insurance will pay. If not, then you start talking with the therapist about options, referrals, etc. Chicago (you still there?) has what I believe it a top notch psychoanalytic institute:
http://www.chicagoanalysis.org/
They could provide a good referral. Also, see the section on "community services" If cost is a factor, you could go the route of seeing an analyst in training at a reduced fee. (Note that this will, in almost all cases, be someone fully trained as a therapist *before they began training in psychoanalysis. So it's not like seeing a young, green therapist.)
Sorry for all that detail. The short answer is find a good psychotherapist.
I don't think you should go to psychotherapist.
Whatever has broken your heart, figure out what about it fulfilled your existence. Figure out why you lost it. Figure out how to get it back or replace it or deal with it.
Doing this yourself will make you much stronger than having someone hold your hand through the process. And if you can get through it yourself, it will make it easier next time.
Your world is not coming apart, the sun rises every day and you are still alive. Life is a struggle. Keep struggling.
The light of my life - my daughter - announced she is getting married to the biggest loser, high school drop out, spent most of his teen years in reform school, jerk you can imagine.
She is 22 and should finish college - I hope - mext May. Hell, I wouldn't feel this bad if she were to pick a poker player.
It is always hard to see your loved ones make life changing mistakes.
marrying losers isnt fatal, darlin'
i survived two of them ;)
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."
Thanks for that.
"Doing this yourself will make you much stronger than having someone hold your hand through the process."
This is one of the biggest misconceptions about therapy. A well conducted therapy has absolutely nothing to do with having your 'hand held.' It has to do with developing insights which are essentially obtainable only in conjunction with a trained, objective obsever (therapist). Much of one's internal world gets played out *in relationship* with the therapist, and is interpreted and illuminated in the therapy, making such unique insight possible. As a rule it is the stronger person who will try therapy, since it engenders feelings of vulnerability which require real courage to face.
If you were to learn in some depth what psychotherapies of different sorts actually involve, I do not think you would so casually discount the possiblilty of therapy.
Also, Rounder's initial post suggested extreme pain. Your statement,
"Your world is not coming apart, the sun rises every day and you are still alive. Life is a struggle. Keep struggling.",
is really uncalled for. It is just exceptionally unempathic and out of touch with what is possible in emotional suffering. It's not an uncommon attitude really, but it's grossly misinformed. I'm sorry to sound a bit harsh, but I think you commented here on something about which you should learn much more before again casually discounting someone's expression of pain.
?????
Mike, somehow I missed this thread until just now. Yesterday you gave a very nice, supportive answer to a post of mine. I was curious and checked the time of that post. It was just 7 minutes before you posted your “broken heart” message above. Now I appreciate it even more.
I agree with John Feeney and the others who suggest psychotherapy. The answer to all your questions lies within yourself. The therapist just facilitates your finding the road map. They are like a business consultant for the business of you. In the process, you can discover the depth of your magnificence and power.
In the past, I was in psychotherapy. I just knew things could feel better for me than they did. Fortunately, I had a friend who suggested it, so I went. It was one the best decisions I ever made. It became a personal adventure of self-discovery.
I feel badly that you are in pain right now. You have a lot of friends here that feel the same way. I wish you well.
Alden Chase (tyro)
I read most of the responses advocating psycotherapy etc. ......ugh! Makes me want to puke. I cannot even spell the word. Anyone with as good a handle as Rounder doesn't need this crap. You mention you are middle aged....hopefully this means you are late 40s or younger. My suggestion? Find a physical activity and throw yourself into it. Cycling, hiking, running, lifting, it does not matter. The endorphin release will eat away all the heartache.
95% + of those I see that are depressed are physically inactive. All I can say to those disagreeing with this post......TRY IT!
I'm curious. What is it that bothers you about the idea of psychotherapy?
the cost
do you agree that (pseudoquote) 'at least 10% of children need to be on ritalin, some prenatally' ?
theres a large segment of mainstream psycho-guys who believe this. (im being generous)
im sure they also believe that children shouldnt be disciplined in any way (at least not by the parents).
any way you look at it (im sure in a few years it'll be 1/4 of kids, then ...) it seems wrong to me.
(( all stuff about soviet model,etc., omitted ))
brad
"do you agree that (pseudoquote) 'at least 10% of children need to be on ritalin, some prenatally' ?"
No I don't. When I was in the therapy field I was pretty close to the extreme anti-medication camp. So I'm not representative at all. I suspect you'd find the bulk of the most pro-ritalin, pro-medication-in-general therapists to be psychiatrists, since prescribing is primarily what they do these days. Admittedly, though, there are some psychologists and other therapists who have bought the pro-medication arguments. But the bottom line is that there's just a wide range of opinion about almost every issue in clinical psychology and psychiatry.
FWIW, I was quite interested in some research which had found psychotherapy to work much better than medication for scizophrenia, a condition which tends to be medicated as automatically as any. Though I suppose it's a little old now (been out of the filed for a while) the book, _Psychotherapy of Schizophrenia_ by Karon & Vandenboss is the nuts on the topic. It detailed what I think was a hugely important study at Michigan State that has generally been ignored by the much of the mental health community. One of these days I'll have to see what the authors have been saying more recently.
You would think that a psychotherapist would refrain from using terms like "the nuts".
You've got a point there, especially when it just might be mistaken for self-reference. 8^O
...not scott. (he said, if to prove his point)
You mean you and scott are one and the same? I thought Rick and Vince were the only ones here with alter-egos.
No, my computer just channeled scott when he visited here. Some residual effect of the experience remained behind for one post.
...not scott. (he said, as if to prove his point)
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I think it has way too much, "don't worry, be happy".
Example. A 240 pound woman is told "be happy with yourself; be proud of what you are"
I don't buy it. I think we need more tough love. A logical well rounded person 100 pounds overweight SHOULD be depressed. There is something inherently wrong if this is NOT depressing them.
Mental health experts play an important role for those who truly need the help of an expert. But I see more and more people blaming society, looking for crutches, etc. C'mon. How about some personal responsibility, here? Most people in this (big) bucket don't need a shrink. What they need is a friend to drag them away from Sizzler and into Ballys.
Is fez fezzik?
Anyway...
"too much, "don't worry, be happy"."
That's kinda the opposite of what it does.
"I see more and more people blaming society, looking for crutches, etc."
Then they are not looking within, are they? Therapy encourages looking within, which is kind of synonymous with taking personal responsibility. I think you actually support it's goals more than you may realize.
I'm in good eneough shape to exercise even though I am past 50 - problem a parent like me has, is wanting the best for your kids, and giving it to them. Then they do something stupid like marry some guy who you despise as a person and can't accept as a son-in-law.
You are close with your daughter and she is smart close to college graduation and has a really good card sense. She placed 7th in a tough 100 player tournament on her 2nd and last try last year.
And I won't go to her wedding on Saturday. It makes me sick.
Rounder;
Why don't you describe this son-in law to be for us? Might be good therapy. Anyway, if you think your daughter's cool and she likes the guy, where's the breakdown?
I put him and his brother in jail twice when they were in their teens for vandalizing my property, no HS deploma, he spent his teen years in reform school for two thefts he was convicted on, I know he stole from me but couldn't prove it in court. Both are just 22.
This guy is a no hoper - don't know who his father is.
He thinks he is marrying money but as of Saturday my will changes and as long as she is married to this sleaze her share stays in trust.
Life sucks.
If your daughter wants you at the wedding, please go. If you don't, you will never be able to undo not going. Be there for your daughter, she will love you even more for that.
You can manage. Stay in the background. Stay away from him. You don't have to stay. I know it will pain you, but I do not think you will ever regret going. Someday, you may regret that you did not go.
In the short term, not going will be easier for you. In the long term going will be better. It will keep you more connected at a time you need it and in later times when she may need it.
Alden
Thanks - people I respect are giving me the same advice. I have to think about it but I am a stubborm sicillian so maybe I won't be able to go.
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I dont think you can like or get along with anyone. Anyone I know in the Chicago area thinks your a jerk and will never get any respect. As far as the dealers and floor people go, we have a lil bit waiting for your next trip.
P.S. Can't wait to see ya!!!!
LOL
When I worry about what a jerk like you thinks about me. As for the dealers and floors at Hollywood all I want the is to do their job like professionals that means "SHUT UP AND DEAL"
What's amazing is that you are describing my worst fear of having kids.
Call it what you want, but I am virtually certain that if I have sons and they were dating a trainwreck, all it would take would be a long walk in the woods, and I could get them to see the light logically.
Re: Daughters? Forget it! Throw all logic out the window. All you can do is be supportive, since if you attempt to show your daughter the light, she will just be resentful.
Woman are brainwashed by Society from day 1 that true love is more important than what anyone thinks, even family and friends. Go see Titanic, etc.
X
Dear Rounder,
A father always holds a unique piece of real estate in a daughter's heart. He is her eternal protector. Unconditionally. No man will ever equal the love and admiration that a daughter feels for her father. Don't view your attendance at her wedding as condoning her choice of a man. Rather consider it as loving her no matter how ill-advised her decisions can be. She is young and in love. Go be with her, tell her you will love her forever and that you will always be there to share her life, during the trials and tribulations as well as the joy. You absence will be so pronounced as to be noticed and debated by everyone in attendance. Don't detract from what to her is a wondrous day. Go to the wedding, kiss your daughter and tell her you hope every day to come is as bright as the sparkle in her beautiful eyes. And reassure her that you love her and that she shall always have an open-armed protector to run to.
Should the word release be a poker acronym for, Random Edge Lost, Eradicate Action, Save Edge? The greatest weapon any hold'em player has is their ability, their willingness, to release a bad hand from a bad position. Any two cards can win but in the long run, any two will send a poker player to the poker poor house.
The Release Factor, in limit hold'em, separates the winners from the losers. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to play group one hands, in most cases the great starting hands play them self. Great starting hands that hit the flop, turn, and river only need the player to throw chips into the pot and to rake them back when they win.
The real challenge in hold'em is to be able to recognize the junk, control your emotional desire to play the hand, and with confidence you muck the junk and wait for a real starting hand. I believe most hold'em players know this but knowing and doing are two different animals. What goes thru the mind of the player when he/she looks at some of their two suited hold'em cards.
Early position, the hand, the thought, the explanation, were does the player play from.
The hand J 6 suited, thought process, color coded, it's suited, call. We call this the "Suited Opportunity." Players from Any2card Town (A2CD), use this color code with great regularity. They always remember the big win and never the countless missed attempts and herds of chips lost over the long run.
The hand 9 5 suited UTG, thought process, it could flop two pair, call. No two pair on the flop, one flush card on the flop, maybe I'll call and the turn will bring four to a flush, well, the river surly will have my winning miracle card.
The UTG player raised, our hero has K 8 suited,call. The thought process, no logic can explain it... Plays from Border Town, (BT).
The Q 7 suited, the SPM told me it wins 80% of the time, call. Mommy told you not to talk to strange men. Plays from A2CT.
Middle Position, after a raise from a player in early position.
Q 5 suited, thought process, color coded, it's suited, call. The raise is a bluff, and if I can play them suited from early position I can play them from anywhere. A2CT.
Late position...
Any two, they were suited...
SPM,...that might make a great hold'em book, "The Cards Were Suited, the Player Wore Rags"...
it looks like our montana musher doug swingly will win the alaska idarod again this year. he beats the field by such a large margin he is in a class by himself. part of his success is he can run his dogs longer without rest. its not cruelty though i think. this is 4 wins with 3 in a row i believe. something is different that he does?
Maybe he's not particularly crueler than any other driver, but could it be said that cruelty is almost endemic to this competition? Do dogs die? If so, I gotta think there is some measure of cruelty almost by definition. Anyway, I'm just curious.
JG
you gotta be kidding. those dogs LOVE to race. its in their blood.
I know that, but at a certain point, one can do something way beyond the limits of reason that they "love" when pushed hard enough. Disclaimer: I never had any questions about cruelty or whatever til I saw a Rome op-ed piece (I know, I know) the other night denouncing the entire race as cruelty to animals. Rome has been known to be a little over the top, so I thought I'd ask here. (didn't mean to pee on your thread Ray, but I was curious).
JG
First, I'm no expert at all on dog racing, but...
Occasionally dogs die. It is a high stress, high endurance race after all. However, in recent years there has been a significant decline in the number of dog deaths due to increased awareness combined with increased medical support for the animals.
Well, the two dogs that died this year probably lost some of their passion for it.
Note, I'm not anti-dog racing; just want to let you know that it is a very dangerous sport for dogs.....but alot safer than deer hunting is for deer!
:)
It's the iditarod, not ididarod. After all, this is what's really important in this thread, right?
;-)
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
z,
something is different that he does? He lives with his dogs and treats them better than most humans get treated. To me this sport is not cruelty, but humans can be cruel (read some threads) and they can be cruel to the dogs and other things besides dogs.
I did a rod once and discovered electricity.
I ditto a rod once and discovered death.
iuok
Internet Story form the Chairman...
Sam has been in the computer business for 25 years and is finally sick of the stress. He quits his job and buys 50 acres of land in Minnesota as far from humanity as possible. Sam sees the postman once a week and gets groceries once a month. Otherwise, it's total peace and quiet.
After six months or so of almost total isolation, he's just finishing dinner when someone knocks on his door. He opens it and there is a big, bearded man standing there. "Name's Leon... Your neighbor from four miles away... Having a party Saturday... thought you'd like to come."
"Great," says Sam. "After six months out here I'm ready to meet some local folks. Thank you." As Leon is leaving he stops, "Gotta warn you there's gonna be some drinkin'." "Not a problem... after 25 years in the computer business, I can drink with the best of 'em." Again, as he starts to leave Leon stops. "More 'n' likely gonna be some fightin' too." Sam says, "Well, I get along with people. I'll be there. Thanks again."
Once again Leon turns from the door. "I've seen some wild sex these parties, too." "Now that's not a problem," says Sam, "I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there...by the way, what should I wear?"
Leon stops in the door again and says, "Whatever you want, just gonna be the two of us."
Change Minnesota to Montana, Computer industry to poker, Sam to Ray...
What ya tryin to say about the Zee man, SPM??? (JK Ray, how's ice out coming? any hatches yet?)
i think it may be time to bring spm out to montana and make him take one of my hikes up a mountain. my house has been enlarged to 40 sq. ft. and i might even put a window in this year. so the accomadtions would be montana first class. ask mason some time what i did to him when he came out. his feet still hurt. its snowing today but being 30 degrees we all are in shorts. two weeks and the fishing will be good till the may - june runoff.
It's seventy here in the bay area. the steelhead are tapering off in the nearby streams, but the halibut are making an early appearance in the local bays. Sturgon are around, too, but I don't think my 2, 5, 6 or even 8 wt rods can stand up to them. all in all, I'm glad I'm not in Montana (but reserve the right to change that opinion from after the run-off until the last hopper is out of the meadows).
This post is to all regular 2 + 2 poster's plus one of the hosts in particular, David.
I began posting on this forum a long time ago. Almost three years now. Those of you that posted back then know that I sometimes get a bit carried away with things.
Not this time.
First I have a few questions for Rick Nebiolo, GD and David. What if I told you that Steve Badger, the Card Player columnist called each and every one of you a piece of shit? Suppose he wrote it in his card player column? Would you respond? Would it bother you?
Well it bothered me. No he didn't write Vince Lepore is a piece of shit. No he didn't put it in his column. He wrote that the 2 + 2 forum is a cesspool. And he wrote it on the rgp poker forum. I partipate in this forum on a regular basis. I feel at home here. I have learned a lot about poker and other things from the likes of skp, M, Fossilman,Nebiolo,Jim,LL,JF, Cole, Mary, Haley, Rounder,CHris A, the list goes on, even Glover my nemnisis has taught me a lot. Not to mention how much I have gotten from our hosts Malmuth, Z, and Sklansky. I have tried to contribute as best I can to help make this forum a success. I partipate in no other formal group. This is it for me.
When Badger wrote that this place is a cesspool I took it personally. You're darn right I did. So i responded here on 2 + 2 to his cesspool remark as if he in fact called me a piece of shit in that cesspool. GD says nothing is at stake. I beg to differ. I play a lot of poker. I am friendly and out going and consequently get into a lot of converstions with other players. I almost always end up recommending that they visit this website for poker discussion. I am not going to just let Badger label 2 + 2 a cesspool and have to be faced with the possibility of someone responding that they heard from a poker authrity that this forum is a bunch of shit.
So I responded and an interesting thing happened. Badger read my response here and started another thread on rgp titled "2 + 2 cesspool backs up again" and blasted me in it. There's that cesspool thing again. O.K. I decided for my own reasons to continue the foray. I wanted to see if Badger would continue and he did. When I stopped Badger was ready to keep going. Badger hates Mason Malmuth and his hate shows through every time he gets a chance. I was not going to let him just run off at the mouth and say what he feels like about people that participate here regardless of how subtly disguised. That is why I continued the rgp thing until I felt it had gone on long enough to prove my point.
The problem is that after responses like the one from rick where he basically says that I am the bad guy here and GD that says there is nothing at stake. Plus Sklansky going up on rgp and declaring his undying love for Badger I am beginning to see the light. I do not feel I was wrong here. In fact I feel that I was right to take issue with Badger. But this forum is not mine. So I am going to stop posting here for a while. I've done this before so no need to think it's a permanent thing. I wrote this post just to let all my fellow regular posters know that I have loved the interchange we have had over the years. If my little war with Badger has made this forum look bad I apologize to all of you for that. It won't happen again.
Vince
He wrote that in Card Player? If so, I'd be delighted if I was the proprietor. Unsolicited publicity will for whatever sick reason generate new traffic and probably future sales once they see what's really going on. But it won't induce anyone who was going to check it out but hadn't done so yet to all of a sudden change their mind. Bully for Badger.
JG
Vince:
I really think that you have this wrong. Even though you are correct, it is not the way to go about it.
I have been attacked more than any of the poker writers over the years. This goes back to the initial attack by a well known writer in an early 1989 issue of Card Player where he claimed that I was trying to use his research to prove him wrong. If I was to list all the writers and times they they attacked me and and said that I was totally dishonest the list would be too long too keep anyone's interest. I have even been threatened personally by two different writers. (One denies that the incident ever happened, and the other wrote on RGP last year that I was mentally ill.)
Several years ago, another publisher accused us of plagerism. It had to do with our book the FUNDAMENTALS OF BLACKJACK. He claimed that we had copied a similar book of his and also wanted us to lower our wholesale price to his organization for our books. I then had a very enlightening discussion with our attorney. You know, that's the one that Gary Carson and Babara Yoon aka as Lawrence Hill always criticize. (By the way, we did receive an apology from this publisher. He claimed that he had confused our work with someone else.)
One of the things that our attorney pointed out was that when you are extremely successful at what you do the attacks will come. It is just a sign of success, and I believe that this is what has happened to us.
The fact of the matter is that the best most other writers can do is to try to rewrite our material and put their own spin on it. This creates a problem for them in that they tend to be viewed as mediocre at best.
So many of them take another approach. They try to prove us wrong. The don't realize that both David and I (and our other authors to a lessor extent) have put out a great deal of material that has stood the test of time. In some cases, our critics haven't even read our stuff, they just attack based on what they think we wrote because someone at a poker table describes something to them.
Another thing they don't realize is that we are always striving to improve our works and spend our time in the games. We don't publish anything unless we know from first hand experience, and that means a lot of time at the tables, that what we say is absolutely correct.
So we begin to see all sorts of attacks, and since I am the one who acts as the head of Two Plus Two Publishing, the attacks get directed at me the most. I believe, that they represent frustrated competitors who just can't break into that higher zone where their books will sell better, their writings will be taken more seriously, and they will begin to receive the attention that they think they deserve.
So this brings us to the bottom line. That is what do we do about this? My philosophy is not to do much of anything except address any legitimate poker issues that may come up. And of course that's the purpose of this forum. For example, I don't care very much what Badger, or any writer for that matter, thinks about us or says about us and these forums. We at Two Plus Two have worked hard on them and the general quality of material that appears speaks for itself.
So the best defense is to continue to do what we do best. Just put out more good material. Everything else will take care of itself and there should be no need to defend against the personal attacks. In fact, the attackers should slowly expose themselves as being suspect, and they will do us a service in the long run by making even more people aware of our stuff.
Almost eloquent, I would say.
The only thing your guilty of Mason is turning (converting) alot of marginal players into strong experts at the same time filling up the middle limits, and this has created bitter animosity from the sharks who want marginal players to remain marginal, and jealousy and envy from the likes of Steve Badger becuase you got a jumpstart long before, will what Mr. Badger is doing right now at his website, you simply got the big piece of the pie first, sloppy seconds are not for alot of people. Keep up the good work>>>><<<< congats. for getting CherryPoker.com as an additional sponser to this site, another evidence of success.
Were those personal threats you received "physical threats", or were they geared toward your reputation?
Vince,
So what, you go a little overboard at times. Don't we all? After reading through the threads on RGP, though, I can fairly say that you weren't the only one. Various posters pointed out your spelling, usage, and typing skills. (I don't really believe that Lou Krieger was one of those. His response seemed directed to Carson on the use of the word "only." (BTW, both were wrong, in my opinion.)) You know I have little regard for posters who find it necessary to point out writing "mistakes"; unsolicited criticism can only serve to discourage posters from contributing valuable information. (I broke my own rule a bit when I suggested another citation format to Mark Glover.) Quite frankly, I was amazed to see the amount of unsolicited criticism on RGP. So, what's this got to do with your post. Let me explain.
First, pointing out small errors is de rigueur on RGP. I'm not surprised you find yourself "kicking against the pricks" over there. You made your points effectively and forcefully, and if you felt offended, you felt offended. Certainly, you felt compelled to respond; however, I think you already knew what kind of response you would receive from Badger and others. (Hint: Here's my word of the day: Sophistry.)
But, Vince, I think your legitimate contempt for Badger and a few others might have clouded your perception a bit. You know that Rick has been my friend for nearly thirty years. In no way does he mean to imply that you're the "bad guy." He knows Lou very well, and he, also, felt compelled to jump to his defense. Because Lou Kreiger responded within a thread where various posters took you to task for asinine matters, ignoring what you really had to say, does not mean that he was trashing you, too. Like Rick, I find no direct attack on you.
At the beginning of your post, you say that you are friendly and outgoing. I agree. Since I have met you (my good fortune), I also know that you are a person of honor and integrity. So, Vince, keep going overboard--someone has to.
Respectfully,
John
Just kidding.
JG
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Is there a strict rule on that? Does the punctuation always go in the quotation marks (my 5th grade teacher said it did), or can the punctuation go outside if it is not being quoted?
Strict? Hmm, I don't know what strict is exactly, but the few style manuals in my ownership all say so. It does look weird with the semicolon, though, I must admit. And to tie it all together, Badger himself flamed Mike McClain on an altogether great post where Mike violated that convention on rgp about a month or two ago. Funny stuff.
JG
Phat Mack,
Actually, I assumed that I had written "mistake" instead of "mistakes." I didn't realize Jim was pointing out an error in using punctuation with quotation marks. Had I, I would have told him that I am, of course, correct. Semicolons are placed outside quotation marks; commas and periods are placed inside--always.
My "I knew that" response acknowledged that he was kidding, which I did know.
So take that, Jim. :-}
John
I knew it all along. That's why I was deliberately vague. Also I own no style manuals, so I didn't lie there either. hahahahaha. sorry rough day at work.
JG
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Vince,
As stated below, I don't think you are the bad guy. But you chose to battle Badger, and he will be relentless. Do keep in mind that he has alienated many over there, so you may have fought a battle you cannot end or win. Badger will always get in the last word (although one time I was up until early morning to get in the last word – of course the post was deleted!).
Initially Badger was reacting to SmoothB's post about a hand Badger played very poorly. I think you responded to that post. Badger denied he even played that night or that hand. I can't verify if it is true (that Badger played the hand) or not, but the post could have been written without mentioning Badger directly. If so, the interesting part of the hand could have been discussed without acrimony.
You wrote: “What if I told you that Steve Badger, the Card Player columnist called each and every one of you a piece of shit? Suppose he wrote it in his card player column? Would you respond? Would it bother you?”
It would but he didn't. It is a given that he would call 2+2 a cesspool because of his hatred for Mason. But even people over there know that so he doesn't have much credibility.
If I were to address RGP on this issue, I would just ask those who have never visited, yet retain acrimony based on second hand opinions, to look for themselves. I might provide some background on the various forums, and also some hints for fast browsing (if I gave one hint Mason would kill me because I can turn off the banner ads).
”. I am not going to just let Badger label 2 + 2 a cesspool and have to be faced with the possibility of someone responding that they heard from a poker authority that this forum is a bunch of shit.”
Actually, this forum is so good that I hope the growth slows. I can't keep up!
”The problem is that after responses like the one from Rick where he basically says that I am the bad guy here and GD that says there is nothing at stake.”
VINCE, YOU ARE NOT A BAD GUY! Please see my clarification below.
”So I am going to stop posting here for a while. I've done this before so no need to think it's a permanent thing.”
Please respond to Hero before you go (since you are her Hero). But do come back soon.
Regards,
Rick
vince,
i appreciate your defence of 2+2 and your hard attack back. and i agree people that are not in the fracus should stay out with their comments especially if they wont write a long clear explanation of what they mean exactly. i dont post over on rpg as it seems that few really are worth debating. im personally glad that some of those there dont come to 2+2 anymore and i dont miss their posts. i would miss yours. if you discontinue posting here even for awhile over this i will be the one you are punishing most. my unsolisitated advice is to watch for a few years and see those people on rpg with the mean agendas(because they inside know that they are not winners and will never be) get and stay broke , and then say i told you so. the last laugh will be yours.
A quick comment. Based on my recent postings with MM, I'm not surprised he is not a popular guy.
Point out to him that a section of his book is lousy and incorrect, and all you get is a flippan/non response. Not exactly a guy whose writings are going to "stand the test of time" or an author that is "looking to constantly improve" IMO.
Fezzik:
When writing my post above, I almost gave two examples of people on this forum who seemed obsessed with proving us wrong. They would have been you and Mark Glover.
You have attacked, as has Glover, our book Gambling for a Living. This is a text that the back cover tells you "was written for the not-quite-as-experienced aspiring gambler." We wrote it and targeted it for people who are new to this subject and would be interested in an introduction to the idea that some gambling games can be beat.
Also, just for your information, I am not a sports bettor and do not consider myself knowledgeable enough in that area. If you have trouble with the sports betting information in GFL I suggest that you talk to David.
However, I am knowledgeable about other areas of gambling, notably poker, blackjack, and general gambling theory including much of the underlying statistical theory. If you wish to make worthwhile posts in those area I will be glad to occasionally respond. I am also the either the author or co-author of nine books (plus four booklets). From your posts and attacks it does not appear that you know this. You have targeted the one area that I had very little to do with.
Mason,
You wrote: "You have attacked, as has Glover, our book Gambling for a Living. This is a text that the back cover tells you 'was written for the not-quite-as-experienced aspiring gambler.' We wrote it and targeted it for people who are new to this subject and would be interested in an introduction to the idea that some gambling games can be beat."
I think your explanation could be misleading.
The back cover of your book states: "David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth have both spent many years writing about the finer points of poker, blackjack, and other beatable games. . . . This book, however, was written for the not-quite-as-experienced aspiring gambler. It shows you everything you need to learn and do if you want to gamble for a living both from the practical and the technical standpoint."
Mark -- You might generate more productive discussion if you explain your point rather than simply posting quotations. The passages you cite here and sometimes in other posts can be interpreted in subtly different ways if one wants to look hard enough for alternative meanings. Moreover, you and I, for instance, often interpret them differently. By sharing your own interpretation you will allow readers to know what your point is.
^
John,
You wrote: "You might generate more productive discussion if you explain your point rather than simply posting quotations."
I provided a fuller context to the quotation Mason used, allowed readers to compare that quotation with Mason's statement, and let those readers draw their own conclusions.
I think the vast majority of this forum's participants are quite capable of reaching their own conclusions without an explanation from me. You might feel otherwise.
If so, please feel free to generate your own productive discussion on how you interpret Mason's remark.
No one really wants to read your mind.
John,
Earlier, I wrote: "I think the vast majority of this forum's participants are quite capable of reaching their own conclusions without an explanation from me. You might feel otherwise.
"If so, please feel free to generate your own productive discussion on how you interpret Mason's remark."
You then wrote: "No one really wants to read your mind."
Careful. Unless they were familiar with your devotion to Mason, reasonable people easily could conclude that you slipped up and meant to say, "No one really wants to read Mason's mind."
No one really wants to read Mason's mind.
I'm reminded of that scene where the evil Plughead plugs into our hero Mark Glover (aka as Mr. Circuitry Man) and says,"YOU CALL THIS A MIND."
Well written and well explained. I am pleased that I finally got a real response from you.
Re: your 21 books. I actually have read them, and thought they were quite good, and the writing style exceptional.
Re: Future works from you and DS. My challenge for you is to not hide behind the "this book is for non experts", and actually write an indepth work, for experts (something similar to Grojean's recent work).
My take is both of you have the competency to do it. I'm not sure either of you still have the time or the desire.
Hopefully this will end your personal attacks.
However, it is still obvious to me that you have actually read very little of our material. If you had read books like The Theory of Poker, Hold 'em Poker for Advanced Players, Getting the Best of It, and Gambling Theory and Other Topics you would see that we put out much detailed and sophisticated information that is extremely accurate. (If tha wasn't the case there wouldn't be so many participants in these forums.) This also includes some of the other books that we publish from other authors. Inside the Poker Mind by John Feeney is an example.
In addition, in Gambling for a Living we state:
"Each one of the beatable games involves so much knowledge that we obviously cannot tell you everything that needs to be said about them all in one book. We are going to give you a serious overview of the type of skills needed to beat them. However, once you decide a particular game fits your style or your preferred place of living, then you must go even further to become a true expert. Part of going further is of course, just gaining experience. The fact is, there is no substitute for experience, and it is a crucial part of becoming successful.
The other part is further reading and studying. That's why this book is liberally sprinkled with references to other books. In some cases they are our other books. We do not apologize for this. To go into the details of every game would make this a two-thousand page work. Nevertheless, you will learn plenty about each game from this text. But to put the finishing touches on any game you choose to play, you should read and study those books we recommend. That being said, let us now start our journey. When done, you should be well on your way to "Gambling for a Living.""
This makes me think that you probably haven't even read all of Gambling for a Living. If you would have read it completely, you would have seen this statement and perhaps better understood the purpose of the book.
Ever hear of damning with faint praise? This is a guy who said you can make $100 an hour in a $100 buy in tournament. No one believes that and no one believes his characteriztion of this forum. But I believe he believes most of the stuff he writes and does not intentionlly obfuscate as Gary Carson does. So I cut him some slack.
Hmmm, $100 per _HOUR_ is quite a claim. But I hazard that with good selectivity that that rate is possible. I'm specifically thinking of the $210 NL Hold'em one-table satellites the first week of the Series. And if you're playing in a rebuy tournament, it's not at all unreasonable to make that much if it's a short tournament with muchos fishies. But in say an 8-hour Omaha $100 tournament in LA, no way.
JG
I'm not all that old, at the ripe age of thirty, but I've been active on the internet since 1988. That's a long time. And one thing you just have to grow into is that there have always been flame wars, and there will always be flame wars. There will always be net kooks thriving on the attention, and there will always be people rising to the bait.
Once you accept is as a steady thing, you will take every bizarre insult with a bemused smile and see it as a complementary evidence that your name is recognized.
But it takes time, especially as we are conditioned in "real life" to respond when attacked. But as long as ego and status exists, there will be this bizarre aggresion. Something about the sensation of being removed from a distance makes people feel invulnerable as they type, is my theory.
Anyway, good luck in your "retreat into seclusion." Make sure you stay away long enough not to look silly, but not so long that we are unduly deprived of your wit and good cheer. :-)
Best,
Zooey
The Sports Book at Yellowhead Casino in Edmonton has listed the Over/Under of Vince's abstention from 2+2 posting to be 10:06 p.m. on Friday, March 16th. The windows are now open.
Seriously, Vince, I can somewhat understand your view, but I'm not sure taking your ball and going home is much of a longterm solution, either. I have never posted on rgp and rarely even lurk over there because I have found 2+2 to be just so much a better use of my time. But given all the rhetoric over the past couple of days, I just couldn't help myself and I have been loosely following this cesspool thing.
While I was a little offended that Badger would call 2+2 a cesspool, I just considered the source. You were expecting objectivity and reason? Please. But the last thing I thought of doing was getting into a shoving contest on the playground, so to speak, with that crew. I just ignored them and moved on. Yet I was not as directly invovled as you were, so I am certainly not going to flame you for going to war with them, either.
Of course, I was a banker for 20 years, so after you foreclose on a few widows and children just before Christmas, I found I can take a lot of heat without it bothering me too much. LOL.
Talk with you again soon, I'm sure.
Vince, don't let a man unworthy of your time rent space in your head. Heed the old saying, "Living well is the best revenge." If he plots the course of any of your actions, then he has mastered you. Be the captain of your ship. Screw him, darlin'. Don't let him steal your thunder. Your posts make me smile at least once a day. Why in hell should I and the rest of your ardent admirers be punished because of some knucklehead that has an agenda for this forum and every regular that posts here? Don't let him staunch the flow of this forum by silencing you. I guess I am going to have to drag my laptop to vegas with me this week-end, should I find you to need more chastising.
Vince dear Vince,
When you're not around, the forum will never be the same, so don't stay gone too long, you don't need to explain.
I don't have enough time to write and say what's in my heart so I thought to borrow some lines from someone I don't know who (with changes here and there) but here it goes:
If you wish for the moon
I will bring you the stars
If you wish for the sun
I will bring you the sky
If you wish for some friendship
All my heart you'll receive
If you wish for me now
From the ends I will fly
If you wish for me gone
I will turn around and leave
But for all this I ask
Just one thing of you
Please....................
Come back to the forum soon.
LG
A little while back, I said that I would never again implore someone who wanted to leave the Forum to come back. But one has to make an exception for Sir Vincent.
Vince, forget RGP. Why do you think I don't post there? 80% of the threads are pure flame wars. There was a time when I used to lurk and get my kicks by looking at those flame threads but that got old pretty quick...these days I go into RGP maybe once every 4 or 6 weeks just to see if there is something worthwhile going on but of course it takes me about an hour to even find a worthwhile thread.
Just lose RGP from your bookmarks and stay where you belong - right here. We have already lost some key figures (eg. Dan Hanson, Abdul is a rare contributor and I fear that Izmet may have left given his recent run-in with Mason. Actually, I am not sure about Izmet and I hope that I am wrong in thinking that he has left). We would absolutely hate to lose you even if it is just for a short time.
BTW, regardless of who is right or wrong over on that RGP thread (and I don't intend on reading all of it to come to an informed opinion), I certainly appreciate your efforts to carry the 2+2 flag.
Bottom line: F*ck it - just stick around here and continue posting in your own inimitable style. We will all no doubt appreciate it.
Vince,
The first time I posted on this forum was a year ago and it concerned a hand I played poorly. I was dealt with a pair of Aces and I folded to a raise because my fear took over when I saw the board paired.
Your advice to me then is what I always follow everytime I play poker and it works successfully. You have helped me tremendously and I would like to express my thanks and gratitude.
Your departure from the forum (even for a short time) will be a great loss to students of the game like me. You and Rick and the rest of the posters are my teachers and I absorb all the knowledge you impart. You were, you are, and you will always be my hero.
Student/Hero
Vince,
I hope your brief break from posting is truly brief (hopefully no more then a day or two). You never fail to write something that is witty or useful. I want to commend you for defending the 2+2 forum against bashing from the likes of Badger. I think it was noble and you are the man! I do also agree with what Mason said about basically letting those people hang themselves but your approach was still pretty nifty if you ask me. Anyway hope to see you posting real soon. Later...... Kris
Vince---
A few thoughts:
1. Forget Badger, forget rgp. Go off for a few days and clear your head. Read "Poker Essays 2" again. Spend a few hours with "TOP". Take a road trip. Give Tunica another try.
2. You were one of the first posters that I read when I first started with 2+2 over two years ago. I have continued to read most of your postings and have always enjoyed when we had some banter or interchange.
3. How could you have continued to call my "press bluff" raises and bets at the Bellagio 15-30 when all you had was that trash flush draw? That still makes me mad.
Abe
Vince vince vince vince vince---
What am I going to do with you ?:). You should know that I was in no way trying to insult or diminish you. I was simply pointing out that having "cyber wars" with these gnomes is something of a quixotic endeavor, and that you should focus your energy on things more gratifying.
And it is true, Vince, that when it comes to flame wars so very little is at stake. If you or Badger 'come out on top', what's going to change? Is Badger going to become any less acidic? The question, Vince, is a) What is it you're trying to accomplish, and b) are you going to accomplish it through your present course of action?
You can figure out the answers to the above questions, but I don't think you're going to change anyone's mind about this website by getting in a virtual pissing match with Steve Badger.
So, Vince, I implore you--- consider the above counsel. And take some more glycerin.... :)
Vince,
A couple months ago I got into a nasty w/Badger on RGP; over a basically trivial matter. In heat of 'battle', I made a couple of personal remarks, which I almost immediately apologized for.
Great player(and very good writer IMO) that he is, also IMO he is incapable of gracefully accepting an apology or conceeding a point in order to bury a hatchet and move on. And he absolutely will always get the last word. I HAD(emp. added) a college friend who Badger reminds me of; honest to a fault, but blinded by his own principles and always on guard for the slightest hint of perceived 'violation' of same.
In contrast, I also had a misunderstanding with Razzo that got cleared up with a single e-mail exchange.
"Don't try to fight a war you can't win..." Black Flag
Bill
p.s 94c rools over AA at 5:00 am.... :)
>>skp, M, Fossilman,Nebiolo,Jim,LL,JF, Cole, Mary, Haley, Rounder,CHris A, the list goes on, even Glover<<
For as long as I've been posting here, I have not once made it on one of these lists of significant posters. I give up. I'm joining Vince (even though I'm one of the few 2+2ers who is acquainted with him and he still didn't acknowledge me).
"I'm joining Vince (even though I'm one of the few 2+2ers who is acquainted with him and he still didn't acknowledge me). "
I played all night RIGHT NEXT TO VINCE last month at Bellagio; no name check from him.
Oh well, I'll keep hanging around....
Down to initials burined deep in the list now.
Well, my personal up to date list is:
3BB, BillM (despite his tournament jones), and KJS.
.
John,
About the initials "burined" [buried + urine] in the thread? James Joyce would be proud of this Freudian slip of the fingers.
One of my favorite Joycean spelling errors: "whoreship" instead of "worship."
John
How could you not be a significant poster? Your "flop the nuts" post was one of the funniest things I've ever read here or elsewhere. A month or so later I still crack a smile whenever it pops into my head.
Vince -- As I think you know, I agree with much of what you say in your post. But I think you saw the problem with going to rgp and trying to refute him, including responding in kind to some of the taunters there. First, sometimes when a 2+2'er posts something slightly contentious on rgp it stirs intense territoriality and group allegiance in a few "squeaky wheel" rgp'ers. They respond like a clique of kids on a playground whose little group has been invaded by a quarrelsome new kid from a rival school. I don't think it's specifically an rgp thing; it may just be a general newsgroup phenomenon. At any rate, it's an instance of a common bit of human behavior. (though it's kind of funny to consider such "territoriality" in light of the fact that everyone is actually just sitting at home or at work in front of a monitor) Though I didn't bother with all the posts, it also looked like this time you ran into a couple of new and prolific rgp'ers who still find much novelty in such silliness. And of course debate with Badger is not possible.
But regarding the basic thrust of your complaint about Badger's "cesspool" posts, I would bet that if every unposted thought about it were posted here and on rgp, you'd see overwhelming agreement with you.
John,
Let's change a few of your words and see how well it fits:
"First, sometimes when [one] posts something slightly contentious on [2+2] it stirs intense territoriality and group allegiance in a few 'squeaky wheel' [2+2'ers]. They respond like a clique of kids on a playground whose little group has been invaded by a quarrelsome new kid from a rival school. I don't think it's specifically a [2+2] thing; it may just be a general [Web] phenomenon."
Actually for some reason this phenomenon seems to be less likely to occur here. It may have to do with the ways in which these forums differ from newsgroups. Note that I was not criticizing rgp specifically. I speculated that it could be a general NG phenomenon.
John,
I didn't really expect you to see the parallel; but that doesn't mean the parallel is not there.
Mark, since you are without a doubt one of the most loyal and devout of all 2+2'ers [1], You have probably followed things here pretty closely. You may be right that the parallel is there. But I have some doubt. Maybe you could educate me. Can you name a couple of times when someone who would primarily be identified as an rgp'er has posted on 2+2 and been received in the manner I described in my post above? I can't. But I've seen the converse happen a number of times on rgp. Actually, I hope you CAN name them. I WANT the parallel to be there because I don't see any really strong reasons why it shouldn't be. It may even be that it is, but is overpowered by the effects of individual personalities. Who knows. Who care...err.. who might remember?
Now I know you must feel put on the spot, since it is I, your idol who is asking you to identify these occasions. Just calm down. I am human. I am capable of mistakes - no, not as many as the other 2+2 authors [2], but capable nevertheless. Drop the idol worship, see me as human, and you'll be able to think of those instances without getting too anxious.
I must now ask again, since you failed to respond in an earlier thread: Mark, do you drink coffee? (This is important.)
[1] Mark's loyalty to 2+2 is seen partly in his tireless analysis of the finest levels of grammatical detail in many of the 2+2 works. It is further seen in his refraining from posting on rgp (I think :). Many of us post both here and there, but Mark is loyal; he stays at home. Finally Mark has been seen recently attending two-a-day Sunday services at the Church of Two Plus Two (and I believe he has a long commute). Last week he was nodding and mouth breathing with a look of awe on his face as David announced during a particularly gripping sermon that a typo had been found in an early edition of _Sklansky on Poker Theory_. When David confirmed that Mason had approved bringing that edition into the 2+2 fold, and commencing a recall of all existing copies in order to correct this egregious error, Mark thrust his fist into the air in a John-Carlos-at-the-'68-Olympics manner. Thanks Mark for your loyalty. We love you. But we'd prefer that you learn to think for yourself.
[2] A couple of those dudes are real pieces or work, don't you think, brother? :-)
mocha java? Kenya AA?
Vince,
If you feel like taking a break for a while that is OK---I have recently taken a break from much posting for purely personal reasons, although I am slowly getting back to it now---but your posts will be sorely missed by many.
Regarding the issue on RGP, well, you definitely do have a tendency to get a bit stirred up (Badger shares a similar tendency and this combined with his manner of expression makes him a lightning rod). We all know your heart is in the right place. Sometimes it might pay to slow down a touch and respond more from the head rather than from the gut when people attack you or things or people you hold dear, if for no other reason than that a measured response is more likely to be well-received and understood.
There are certain posters on RGP who seem to love to attack or denigrate this forum or its participants or owners. In some instances a response to their attacks may be merited, but fortunately, as Mason may have pointed out, the more attention drawn to 2+2 the more exposure the site enjoys in a business sense. Speaking of sense in another fashion, most people, even newbies, on RGP probably have the sense to evaluate the 2+2 site on its own merits rather than take Badger's word for it.
If you stop posting I will certainly miss your posts greatly, especially now since I am just getting back to the forum. You are by far one of the most interesting and enjoyable posters on this forum. Mark
"In some instances a response to their attacks may be merited, but fortunately, as Mason may have pointed out, the more attention drawn to 2+2 the more exposure the site enjoys in a business sense."
While this statement is most likely very true, I would prefer that new players not be exposed to us this way. Their initial exposure should be based on the merits of our materials (which include this site) than on some jealous person's hateful monologue.
The reason for this is that new players deserve the best chance for success. When the hatefulness starts, some of them may be driven to works that will not give them the proper tools for being successful at the games. For instance, every time someone on RGP mentions the loose game section in the 21st Century edition of HPFAP Gary Carson attacks the book and that section as being completely wrong. He is obviously trying to steer people to his book (which I haven't read). What he always neglects to post is that we don't publish anything unless David and I know from vast expeience as well as a theorectical point of view that these concepts are indeed correct.
In the past, most people probably had their initial exposure to us at the poker tables. They would hear someone discussing some aspect of our books, and many of the more successful players speak favorably of them.
Unfortunately, the Internet is changing some of this. Now one hateful person, who is trying to make a reputation for himself, can have his voice heard over and over instead of at one poker table. That's why I spend much time on this site to make sure that's its integrity is not damaged. It's perfectly okay to disagree with us or to debate the merits of our books or someone's ele's book. But it should be done in a professional and objective manner.
I agree with your points.
It is unfortunate that the Internet has a way of magnifying negatives, even completely erroneous negative opinions, through mass exposure.
I did not intend to misquote you or paraphrase you incorrectly although I wrote the above rather hastily (one reason I wrote that "as Mason may have pointed out"), and I apologize if I did so inadvertently.
Certainly a more objective, less negative first-time exposure for people is desirable; I was merely noting the fact that it is a somewhat offsetting factor that even a negative first-time exposure may lead to people "checking things out for themselves", with an ultimately positive result in most cases.
That said, it is too bad that there are some who choose to put a negative slant/negative personal slant on much that they choose to write insted of confining themselves to discussing facts and theory for the most part. Both this forum and RGP would improve greatly if more people followed the intended spirit and purposes of these forums.
^
Vince,
You? A bad guy? someone has got to be kidding. I will most definitly miss your posts. I may not post a lot, but I do follow most of the major threads and have always found your comments,views, and opinions interesting to say the least. Please don't stay away too long. Drop an e-mail every now and again, just to let us know your still around.
Sincerely
Mary
This is the start of an article printed by former LAPD officer Mike Ruppert on his respected website dealing with the intelligence community and the drug war.
It has all the makings of a major box office thriller: Texas Governor and Republican Presidential contender George W. Bush and his brother Jeb, allegedly caught on videotape in 1985 picking up kilos of cocaine at a Florida airport in a DEA sting set up by Barry Seal…
An ensuing murderous cover-up featuring Seal's public assassination less than a year later by a hit team…the members of which, when caught, reveal to their attorneys during trial that their actions were being directed by then, National Security Council (NSC) staffer - Lt. Colonel Oliver North…
And a private turboprop King Air 200 supposedly caught on tape in the sting with FAA ownership records leading directly to the CIA and some of the perpetrators of the most notorious (and never punished) major financial frauds of the '80s. …Greek shippers paying bribes to obtain loans from American companies that would never be repaid.…An American executive snatching the charred remains of a $10,000 payoff check from an ashtray in an Athens restaurant…Swiss police finding bank accounts used for kickbacks and bribes…
Add to this mix the now irrefutable proof, some of it from the CIA itself, that then Vice President George H.W. Bush was a decision maker in illegal Contra support operations connected to the "unusual" acquisition of aircraft and that his staff participated in key financial, operational and political decisions…
All these events lead inexorably to one unanswered question: How did this one plane go from being controlled by Barry Seal, the biggest drug smuggler in American history, to becoming, according to state officials, a favored airplane of Texas Governor George W. Bush?
Although I find the topics you have brought up regarding the Bushes to be on point and germane, the most disturbing allegations for me are the ones concerning the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. I can think of few people that I would considr more of an embodiment of pure evil than the Reverend Moon (well OK, Sai Baba is certainly up there as well, but his influence in the Western world is less than that of Moon, although Sai Baba does have considerable cachet in Europe).
If you are unfamiliar with the connection between the Bushes and Moon please check out the story at, www.mapcruzin.com/news/news010301a.htm. I believe the author, Robert Parry, has a separate web site where he has photo copies of the Defense intelligence Agency's documentation of Reverend Moon's movement of massive funds into North Korea at a time, like now, where the State Department expressly forbade it. I am in something of a rush at the moment and I don't recall the address. This was contemporary with Bush senior lauding Moon in several speechs and in particular commending him and the Washington Times for their "balanced reporting" on issues in Washington D.C. and their positive influence worldwide through their media outlets.
The Bush family are in my opinion one of the most corrupt, dangerous and harmful elements in American political life. I am no great fan of Clinton (after all he passed NAFTA and GATT!) and I do not consider all the scandals against them to be the work of a vast right wing conspiracy, but the crimes of the Bushes are of a different order of magnitude entirely.
God is this site cheesy.
I liked it, and I thought that some of our readers might enjoy it, so we plan to establish a link to it. It does need a lot of work, and in time we will see what they do.
Really? I can't imagine what there is to like about it except in the vein of Chan worship. I think I toured the entire site and saw nothing in terms of a poker insite.
For example, in his interview about the 'interesting' tourney hand where he folds and lets stack one and two go at each other, I mean come on, what's the point? He doesn't even say what his hand was that he mucks in the small blind, nor does he suggest in any way that it was other than a random, unplayable hand.
(Nor does he offer any insite as to why the BB would call a raise and go all-in with T4 ? ?)
His narratives of the various photo's remind me of the old 50's - 60's Jackie Vernon stand up comic routines:
'Click: And here's a picture of me changing the tire from the waste down . . '
only the intellectually challenged fail to grasp a style that has made Chan one of the top two all-time money leaders in WSOP, amatures like you Nick need to get back and study tournament poker and techniques.
I didn't say Chan wasn't a player. I said his website is weak.
If you look at his site again, you notice they have a page on suggestions on how to improve his website, simply fill out the form what you think they can improve on, then Email them.
How in the heck do you get into RGP's site? I click on 'Favorite Links, rec.gaming.poker or whatever it is and it takes me to the news group but wants a sign on and password but offers no way to create one ?
http://www.mailgate.org/rec/rec.gambling.poker/index.html
It gets me there but what an awkward navigation system. There are no dates on the messages in the index. Seems impossible to find the top of a thread. And I can't find a way to locate the previous post of any current post - or the replies either.
If you had a newsreader, you could access it by clicking on the link (who says AOL isn't good for something?). Until you get one, you can read the posts here, but you can't reply:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&group=rec.gambling.poker
nt
Had a most depressing session of 3-6 HE last night. Played for 10 minutes short of 2 hours and did not win ONE hand. Nothing. Nada. Nyet. Bupkus. After getting QQ and KK cracked consecutively on the last two hands I played, I decided that a -$140 Statistical Cleansing, as SPM would say, was enough for one night and I went home. Didn't like it much, but part of the game, right? Even Ty Cobb went O-fer lots of times. I have had many sits where I go for more than 2 hours without winning a hand, but I can't honestly recall a session wherein I pitched a complete shutout before leaving the game.
Anyway, my Stu-dent(Stu is his name) is sitting around sweating the game while his wife was playing slots. He phones me a few minutes ago during a break from his normal noon start 3-6 game. He tried to 'brighten' up my day by telling my that just after I left last night, the next player sits down and about 10 minutes later wins a $250 hand with AA, and generally runs all over the table. So I say, "...and what's your point?"
He tried to convince me that had I stayed and dug in a little deeper, that I would have been the beneficiary of this largesse, and that I should have waited until my Cold seat got Hot. I just can't convince him that my leaving the game when I did had absolutley zip to do with the results of whomever took my place, one way or the other.
Would more articulate posters please post a couple of responses flaming either my Stu-dent or me for this thinking? Don't be gentle.
It's like when a guy says he just missed a jackpot by 10 mins. - hell if he were there chances are real slim he hits the jackpot as the cards just don't come out the same way when there are different players in the game. Just a slight change in the action changes the cards a lot.
I don't beleive in hot and cold seats just playing solid poker and hoping for the best.
Have Stu try this experiment.
Put a deck of cards in order, just like when they're first spread by the dealer. Have Stu shuffle them, no washing, 10 times (or 4, or 8, or whatever he prefers). Next, have him deal out 10 hands, with one of those hands having been stated to be yours. Look at the 2 cards, and remember them.
Now, start over. Instead of you sitting there, have somebody else sit there. Repeat the above procedure. Did the "new" guy get the same cards? Almost certainly not.
Ask Stu if he gets it now.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Lets say you are dealt 44 in hand 1. You muck pre-flop. Next hand you are dealt 32o.
Now lets say instead of mucking preflop, you mucked 44 after the flop. Do you think you will get dealt the same 32o?
It is very unlikely. Any change in the play of the hand (in your case keeping 44 until after the flop )causes the following hand to be different. The muck pile would be in a different order. Because the hand took a different amount of time the dealer shuffle would be different. There are hundreds or thousands of little events that happen during the current hand that change how the following hands will be dealt.
So there may be a hot or cold seat, but it is really random and except for maybe one hand, all future hands will be different.
Ken Poklitar
Your friend is right. You could have stayed. But there are ways to speed up the process of getting a cold seat to turn hot.
The most obvious course of action is to request a deck change. This confuses the cards and they will often mistake the current hot seat with yours.
If this does not work, then stronger measures are needed. After a full hour without winning a hand I openly declare "This is riduclous!" and demand a set up.
Occasionally, the cards will remain stubborn and refuse to comply. After two full hours of not taking a pot, I get up out of my chair, do a full 360 degree turn (to my right only!), and sit back down. This usually does the trick.
Should I ever go more than 3 hours without winning a single hand, I pull out the heavy artillery. One year while traveling abroad, I purchased 3 pounds of your basic mystic sand, which I always carry with me. I perform the ancient "luck dance" around my chair, sprinking this sand on it's seat while chanting "owa-tagoo-siam" It's important to be discreet and not let your opponents notice this. The last thing you want, is to key everyone in on knowing how to snap dry spells.
Rarely is anything more needed, but once every 500 hours or so, you can expect the cards remain stubborn. As a last resort, every time someone shows a big pocket pair that holds up, I pay that person $20 to change seats with me. (another reason to use discretion in the "luck dance", or they'll suspect you're having problems with your seat and refuse to change with you). After paying $20, 7 or 8 times chasing the pocket pairs from seat to seat, inevitably I will get dealt a hand that goes on to win my first pot.
Hey, you can laugh, but this stuff works! I am only stuck $14,000.00 so far this year. A full $6,000.00 improvement from this time last year. I don't mind letting this info leak out because I know Mason will delete it as soon as he sees it. Being ever the business man, he realizes there will no longer be a need to purchase books from 2+2. So I hope you get to this post soon. Good luck to you!
Kevin,
I read all the post in this thread, and your's is the only one that makes sense to me.
(I purchased 3 pounds of your basic mystic sand)
Can I purchase some of that sand from you?
SPM,...I knew my game needed something extra...
I used up much of it during last Friday's 15-30 game. I've placed an order for more. There must be an epedemic of cold seats, because it'll be 2 weeks before their next shipment. I'll keep you posted.
Kev
That's the funniest darn post i have ever read. I fell out of my chair laughing.And a owa-tagoo-siam to you. Lar
Ok so we can all agree that what seat you sit in makes no difference. However, I would speculate that here may be what happened: 1) Dunc sits in seat x. Dunc does not win a hand for 2 hours. Players routinely "expect" to beat him in hands simply because they have been doing so all night. His seat is "cold" after all. When he is in a pot, they are more likely to stay in. When he bets out, they are more likely to call. Because his seat is "cold", he gets sucked out on more, and loses more.
2) New guy sits down. He raises preflop with his AA and everyone, lamenting the loss of their "easy mark" shows more respect, and fold hands that might have ended up sucking out on the AA. Then, now that he has won a pot, people start thinking his seat is "hot" and folding hands that would have ended up winning. He gets sucked out on less, and wins more.
I don't believe in cold/hot seats, but I believe in other players perception of cold/hot players, and I do believe it impacts on your ability to have a winning session. Given this concept, had you stayed there and miraculously gotten the same situation as the other guy, you may have been sucked out on anyways, because after all, you were "cold" (not difficult in Edmonton given the snow we got yesterday; at least the Oilers are red hot).
David
Do you really think that most (any?) of the LL opposition that we face on a nightly basis could even TELL you who won the last hand? Do you think the fact that I or anyone else for that matter who hasn't won a pot for 2 hours bets, and their call/bet/fold decision is impacted by the length of time since we won a hand? Pleeeese.
The vast majority of their decisions are based on nothing more than "what do I have in my hand?" No question that some of the better players make better reads based on factors such as who raised and from what position, but these subtleties are lost on most of them, IMO. And as for the scientific side, just look at the clamor for the "hot" seat when someone cashes out with 3 or 4 racks. I just can't convince Stu sometimes that his most important task is to just keep making good decisions hand after hand after hand, and the rest will look after itself without all the mumbo-jumbo.
Psst, Kevin. Can I get a little sand, too?
Ok I agree with you that who won the last hand or what people have done during a hand is lost on most of us. But there is an easy way to tell who is "hot"; who has the most chips in front of them.
If you buy in at a 3-6 table for $100, and two hours later, you have 4 racks in front of you, people get intimidated. I've seen it, and I know it happens. If you buy in for $100 and your stacks slowly dwindle down, people notice that too.
While I agree that the most important thing to do is make good decisions hand after hand, I think you are underestimating table image in the equation, and especially the effect it has on low limit opposition who believe in things like "lucky seats" and "playing the rush".
David
Hey this is the "Other Topics Forum" right? And I know some of you guys are serious programmers
I am just curious to find out if anyone is interested in hiring a student to program in C++ for the summer? I haven't fully decided if I will actively pursue summer employment in this field but I wanted to find out if I had any opportunities available.
A little background. I'm a 4th yr. EE student who has taken classes in Pascal, C, Motorola 68000 Assembly language, and C++. I also have some experience with MATLAB.
Please email me if you would be interested in hiring a student this summer and please provide all relavent information. Currently I'm just trying to find out what's available. I don't want to waste much forum space with this post, so I think it would be best to email anything you may have. BTW, location isn't a concern, I would have to move for about 99% of the jobs that would be interesting to me.
Thanks.
Try Honeywell in Albququerque, (505) 828-5000. They real-time Avionics type applications. Lie and say you know something about Ada 95 too. They have a summer internship of EE students. You'll be a mile or so from Sandia Casino that has the biggest poker room in the state.
Does anyone know of a website that lists what poker games and limits are being spread and what the rake is at the various Las Vegas casinos?
There was a thead on rgp about this recently and unfortunatley, not one of the many sites listed in that thread had an accurate updated list. Poker Pages is especially bad with many rooms listed that have been closed for quite some time (in one case,for years).
Good Luck
Howard
PS
Lee Munzer did a great chart that was in Poker Digest quite a while back (that I keep on my fridge with a magnet). It has everthing you are looking for plus more. It is now a little out of date but I believe he might be doing a new one in the near future ( I could be wrong though).
There is a new Mark Glover thread on the General Theory forum. I figured you missed it since you haven't responded. No need to thank me for bringing it to your attention.
PS What color wine should you drink with steamed broccoli (yes, I'm trying to lose a few lbs)?
Heh, I saw the thread. So far, it looks like I'm not needed there. This one appears to be along the lines of the one where he took Lou Krieger (and his co-author) to task for saying, in reference to a hand like A9o (or thereabouts) something like, 'If you play as we recommend you will rarely if ever be playing such a hand.' Mark felt that including "if ever" constituted an unforgivable exaggeration since you might get free plays in the binds and such.
I would think broccoli can really team up with either red or white. My first implulse was to say red, but the more I think about it, the more white seems to fit. Try a side by side taste test? I don't know the whites very well. I usually just look for a decent chardonnay. A wine loving friend once recommended a sort of expensive mix, Camus Conundrum. He raved about it. I liked it, but don't think my taste for whites is refined enough to really appreciate it.
You could also steam the broccoli in wine. Then it will be the right color.
a really good white blend.
try a Reisling if it's warm where you are, they're great summer wines,will bring out the taste of fresh brocoli and the chicks love 'em.
Bro,
"I would think broccoli can really team up with either red or white"
With all the vineyards in Cal. take a tour and pick the brains who live it!!!!!
rcb
>>Try a side by side taste test? <<
gOOs idEa.. I Havent' devided yet, but i'M stil trynig. hArd to till whch is bettur. neeeedD more researrchh. wll try dto psto resulets when avaaalivvle.
Beerrt
,
I'm a 20-40 HE player making first trip to Tunica at the end of this month. Staying at the Gold Strike. I hear that the games are great and the hospitallity even better. Are these rumors correct? How is the weather this time of year? Any tips for the trip?--Thanks.
The herd of red birds arrived at the Hollywood stock yards, around, about, three-ish. The stock yard Boss, Uncle Bob, directed the herd to the 10-20 hold'em stockade. Every red bird in the herd had the s-p-m branded on their red bird hides. The other herdsmen acknowledged the presents of the SPM's herd, with a nod here, a howdy there, and in just a few moments everyone was greeted.
The Stockade handler, passed out two cards to each herdsman. Action was on the hoof, the herdsman with the best hand-ler, wins. Herdsmen lost fractions of their herds, while other's doubled their herds. The SPM was slowly increasing the size of his herd, when a dust storm came thru the stockade. The SPM's cards were all damaged during the dust storm. For the pleasure of pitching the damaged cards, the SPM had to release part of his herd to the Blind Brothers. The Blind Brothers didn't provide much service, they were more like tax collectors. The tax was staggering!
The negotiations for who gets the biggest herd, was at times a senseless battle of raise and re- raise. Herds of Red Birds would gather in the center of stockade, the Stockade Handler would direct the center herd to the winning Herdsman. The dust storm seemed to last forever, finally the SPM, enters some of his herd into the gamble. After the turn, the SPM had all the available outs covered but two. One of the two outs arrived at the river it was a flash flood. There was no chance to save the SPM's herd. Many of spm branded red birds got a new brand, after that flash flood.
Many of the Herdsman were from Any2card Town, a few from Border Town, and a couple of boys from the Valley of Patience. Gradually the whole stockade was packed with good old boys from the RWR ranch, (Reckless Without Reason). These boys, turned the heat up, on the negotiations for herd domination. The SPM realized too late, the stockade was plagued with hoof and mouth disease. Every time the SPM drove his herd into the center of the stockade, they would hoof their way to a new owner. Then after each hand the mouth of Whining Roy, he has a serious case of, random persecution. "I never get a break," the dealer, the cards, etc...When Whining Roy took a break, the mouth of Mr Replay, "now this is why I did what I did and why he did what he did and I knew what he had the whole way, he just got lucky...etc."
On the way out of the casino the Hoof and Mouth (H&M) police stopped the SPM. "Sir are those Red Birds from the 10-20 hold'em stockade." "Yes," replied the SPM, " "Those Red Birds have hoof and mouth disease sir," said the H&M police. "They must be burned up at the craps table."
SPM,...this hoof and mouth disease, sure feels like a statistical cleansing...
Internet Man a strange person sometimes called The Subburban Poker Man.
Here's some internet stuf sent in by SPD.
SPM,...next time you see Intenet Man you'll know it's me...
Enjoy, it's long, is it correct, I don't know...??? you decide.
1. The citrus soda 7-UP was created in 1929; "7" was selected because the original containers were 7 ounces. "UP" indicated the direction of the bubbles.
2. Mosquito repellents don't repel. They hide you. The spray blocks the mosquito's sensors so they don't know you're there.
3. Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at least 6 feet away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the flush.
4. The liquid inside young coconuts can be used as substitute for blood plasma.
5. American car horns beep in the tone of F.
6. No piece of paper can be folded more than 7 times.
7. Donkeys kill more people annually than plane crashes.
8. One in every four Americans has appeared on television.
9. You burn more calories sleeping than you do watching television.
10. Oak trees do not produce acorns until they are fifty years of age or older.
11. The first product to have a bar code was Wrigley's gum.
12. The king of hearts is the only king without a mustache.
13. A Boeing 747s wingspan is longer than the Wright brother's first flight.
14. American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad served in first-class.
15. Venus is the only planet that rotates clockwise.
16. The first CD pressed in the US was Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA."
17. Apples, not caffeine, are more efficient at waking you up in the morning.
18. The 57 on the Heinz ketchup bottle represents the number of varieties of pickles the company once had.
19. The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.
20. Most dust particles in your house are made from dead skin.
21. The first owner of the Marlboro company died of lung cancer.
22. Barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts.
23. Betsy Ross is the only real person to ever have been the head on a Pez dispenser.
24. Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than all of the Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.
25. Adolf Hitler's mother seriously considered having an abortion but was talked out of it by her doctor.
26. Marilyn Monroe had six toes.
27. All US Presidents have worn glasses. Some just didn't like being seen wearing them in public.
28. Walt Disney was afraid of mice.
29. The sound of E.T. walking was made by someone squishing her hands in jelly.
30. Debra Winger was the voice of E.T.
31. Pearls melt in vinegar.
32. It takes 3,000 cows to supply the NFL with enough leather for a year's supply of footballs.
33. Thirty-five percent of the people who use personal ads for dating are already married.
34. The three most valuable brand names on earth: Marlboro, Coca Cola,and Budweiser, in that order.
35. It is possible to lead a cow upstairs...but not downstairs.
36. Average life span of a major league baseball: seven pitches.
37. A duck's quack doesn't echo and no one knows why.
38. The reason firehouses have circular stairways is from the days when the engines were pulled by horses. The horses were stabled on the ground floor and figured out how to walk up straight staircases.
39. Richard Milhouse Nixon was the first US president whose name contains all the letters from the word "criminal."
40. The second? William Jefferson Clinton
(6)No piece of paper can be folded more than six times.
You mean: No piece of paper can be folded "in half" more than six times.
A piece of paper can be randomly folded dozens of times.
:-)
Look up in the www.2+2.com, it's a post, no it's thread, no it's the Internet Man, a strange visitor from the Internet, who came to 2+2 with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal posters.
Internet Man, faster than a miss spelled word, more powerful than an explanation mark, able to leap a tall capital T.
Internet Man, who can change the course of a mighty paragraph, bend questions to suit his needs, and who disguised as a mild mannered poster. Fights the never ending battle for any poster to be allowed to post any post or assassinate the character of another poster or web site at any time, night or day for any reason, good or bad or for whatever suits them.
SPM,...where did I hear this before, oh that icludes Vince...
Get out of here I'm sleeping. Do I need to call the N/T Police?
SPM...gocha...
I thought these were phenomenal!!
Golfer: "I've played so poorly all day; I think I'm going to go drown myself in that lake." Caddy: "I doubt you could keep your head down that long."
Golfer: "I'd move heaven and earth to be able to break 100 on this course." Caddy: "Try heaven. You've already moved most of the earth."
Golfer: "Well, I have never played this badly before! Caddy: "I didn't realize you had played before, sir."
Golfer: "Caddy, do you think my game is improving?" Caddy: "Oh yes, sir! You miss the ball much closer than you used to."
Golfer: "Please stop checking your watch all the time, caddy. It's distracting!" Caddy: "This isn't a watch, sir, its a compass!"
Golfer: "Caddy, do you think it is a sin to play golf on Sunday?" Caddy: "The way you play, sir, it's a sin any day of the week!"
Golfer: "This golf is a funny game." Caddy: "It's not supposed to be."
Golfer: "That can't be my ball, caddy. It looks far too old." Caddy: "It's a long time since we started, sir."
Golfer: "Do you think I can get there with a 5-iron?" Caddy: "Eventually."
Golfer (screaming): "You've got to be the worst caddy in the world!" Caddy: "I doubt it. That would be too much of a coincidence!"
well the peepers are peeping and the gobblers are gobbling in the hills around me, so I'm headed to vegas with a few poker buddies march 27-30
not looking to butt heads with any regular 2+2 er's on the felt, but hope to run into a few and would enjoy putting a face on some names.
guess I'll mostly be at the mirage and binion's, but imagine I will also do a little "star gazing" at the bellagio
if you see a long hair (thinking of wearing my "knucklehead" hat for identification purposes, but that could change) with smoke rolling out his ears while standing on the rail, it will be me, looking for the softest 5-10 to 10-20 seat I can find.
hillbilly- if I make it past the craps table that is :o)
Sent to the SPM from Big Al, an Internet story and a picture you must see.
SPM,...you will not be disappointed...
TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS!!!!
This is amazing...THE HAND
A picture began circulating in November. It should be "The Picture of the Year," or perhaps, "The Picture of the Decade." It won't be. In fact, unless you obtained a copy of the paper you probably will never see it. The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by a surgeon named Joseph Bruner. The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from the mother's womb.
Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta. She knew of Dr. Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, he performs these special operations while the baby is still in the womb. In the procedure, a C-section removes the uterus and the doctor makes a small incision to operate on the baby.
During the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity. The editors titled the picture, "Hand of Hope." The text explaining the picture begins, "The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr. Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift life." That picture should be shown on every television newscast and run in every newspaper in America. It won't be. Why? Because it is a graphic reminder that growing in the womb of his or her mother is a baby. It is not a "glob of tissue," or "product of conception." That pre-born baby is a human being with all the emotions, will and personality of any human being. That picture says it in a way that a thousand words cannot.
Little Samuel's mother said they "wept for days" when they saw the picture. She said, "The photo reminds us my pregnancy isn't about disability or illness, it's about a little person." That's what it's always been about. That's what the media elite wants us to forget. And, that's why they don't want you to see the picture. **************** "The Hand" of the fetus. You can see the actual picture, and it is awesome...incredible. If you have the capability, here is the website. The accompanying story is also incredible. Get out the kleenex; here is the picture:
>>>>>>http://joseromia.tripod.com/bighand.gif
Three players left in the hand after all the cards are out. Player A checks, but before Player B can take any action, Player C bets out of turn.
Dealer tells Player C that Player B has yet to act. Player B, knowing full well that Player C wanted to bet the river, bets out. He had clearly seen Player C's action and heard the dealer's comments.
Player C says, "Raise." Dealer calls the floorman, who rules that Player C cannot raise because he had acted out of turn. Huh?
I thought the ruling was that if Player C had checked out of turn, and therefore possibly angled B in some way to induce him to bet a marginal hand, or bluff, for example, that then he was prohibited from then raising. But if he had BET out of turn and the other player then went ahead and bet anyway, why should Player C not be able to raise?
Also, just to check on policies elsewhere, if in this case Player B checked, C would be forced to bet, correct?
The out of turn action is nul and void. It was out of turn and dead.
The ruling was a bad one sounds like your floor came from the "Chicago Floormans school of bad calls" we get crappy calls like that here all the time.
:-(
Rounder,
Should the whole poker commuity read your statement, they might believe all that you write. Your facts, are clouded. Everything doesn't need to be done the Rounder way. I find only a little truth in what you say. All problems IL & IN poker rooms have are far over shadowed by the great action available.
Maybe you just need an small thinking adjustment. Try to see a half full cup of coffee, and not the half empty cup of coffee. What you seek, maybe what you find.
SPM,...still one of your best fans, we need your positive input...
:-)
These incompetant casino staff are costing people money. They do a crappy job and people still toke them as though they know what they are doing.
Take the old guy at Hollywood he deals 60% of the hands of a real dealer, he has no idea what is doing on but the robots still toke him like they do the decent dealers, then there is the witch who likes to argue with the players she gets toked too.
QUIT toking these jerks and maybe things will get better.
BTW - the action is not that great - go play at casino Arizona, Commerce, Bike and Hollywood Park (the real one) and then classify the "action" in Ill.
Rounder, Rounder, Rounder,
You are wearing me out. Your not in those places. And I'm sure the grass is always greener on the other side. My travelers tell me we got good action. So I will just need to keep sending you gentle reminders to look for the silver linning. I know we got some of it please come back and play we don't have any famous players. You were it.
SPM...waiting for the return of the Rounder...:-)
Sounds like the kind of ruling we get at Fxwds all the time. Maybe there should be table captains.
Mary
The text in each post runs off to the right of the screen, so you have to use the scroll bar at the bottom of the screen(going back-and-forth)just to read each message. Each post should fit in the middle of the screen. Wasss up?
I guess I don't understand this. The only way I see it on my screen (which is, in fact, a laptop) is to really narrow the size of my browser window to something I would consider unacceptable regardless of what I was browsing. At a "normal" width (at least for my laptop) there is no problem with text running off the edge of a page. (Though part of the right banners may be obscured.)
Can you make your browser window any wider?
Chuck
I didn't even know there were banners on the right. I wondered why my old computer is now at a complete crawl(8mb ram). I might need to consider investing some of the money I've made as a result of reading this forum in a new system.
Ed I,
Check out the post I wrote on eliminating the scroll bar and left column and download the third party browser Opera. Opera is great for old machines and uses very little memory.
Regards,
Rick
If Opera eliminates the left column, how do you get from forum to forum?
Ben,
Opera 5.02 is just a faster browser with some neat features you might like. You can eliminate the green column on the left (actually a frame) with the major market browsers (Netscape 6.0 and MS IE 5.5) using the procedure I mentioned in a thread below. In Opera, you use a similar procedure. Anyway, I have individual bookmarks for each forum in a folder of bookmarks devoted to 2+2. I keep it right on top the bookmarks (or favorites in MS IE 5) so it is easy to get to.
Regards,
Rick
Thanks. I'll try and get up the nerve. Its so slow now that if I don't change something I'll have stop reading the forum. Take care.
During a 50/100 HE game at the Taj Mahal this week an interesting situation arose: A player was handcuffed and arrested for making terroristic threats to the dealer. After commenting that he was "going to kill him" and then "no, im really going to kill you" he was arrested several minutes later.
Players are often disgusted or upset after losing a hand and the dealers are often the target of the player's frustration. In this instance, evidently, the player had had several other losing sessions with this same dealer. And, after a rather "bad beat" the player lost control.
Moral: be professional, respectful, and control one's emotions at the poker table or you could find yourself in a similar situation.
JCM
he should have been asked to leave sooner. but certainly should not have been arrested as those kind of remarks may be bad they are not assumed to be an accurate assesment of what the person is going to do. besides maybe the dealer dealt him two or three bad beats in a row:) also since dealers expect a tip when they deal you a winner shouldnt they be punished when they deal you a loser:)
of course im joking for those that read everything literally.
the secret to saying something like "no, im really going to kill you" is to have a really big sh** eating grin on your face when you say it.
they never see it coming.
brad
The screen is really getting cluttered up. I'm not a big fan of the new banner on the right hand side of the screen. I find it pretty distracting. Anybody else?
Just thought I would voice my opinion.
.
This is really quite ugly, if you ask me. I even got a pop up just now. Damn I hate pop ups. Publish some books, we'll buy them- just not this, please.
Believe it or not, we really didn't have much choice with all these banners. About.com, our advertising broker, insisted that we add them.
Chuck is working hard at getting the page realligned. We plan to make the left column a little thiner and then the banners on the right won't appear as cumbersome.
Mason, please don't become passive all of a sudden. This is the web site of two plus two, not some piece of fly by night crap like about.com (who have never helped my poker game). This is a challenge to the site's integrity. I really want you to stop this. I've been reading here for years, and I've always felt this site had integrity. I know the administrators of this site, including you, are not exceptionally internet savvy (nor am I). There are other advert brokers out there, please do some research. You would never allow the integrity of your books to become tainted, don't allow your website to become infected with multiple advertisements and pop up banners. It sounds like About.com has just semi-bluffed you, you already have a made hand with a lot of outs to the nuts.
Those popup windows are really annoying.
And all these ads...
Jeez is this a XXX site!?!?!
Anyway, my rightside banner is a friggin blur - unreadable. Not that I want to read it.
me too nick :) i see the smal ad on the top of the right column but the other 1 look like an adult Movie on cable tv that i didnt pay for....
For a smile from the SPD...
A little boy and girl were sitting on the porch talking, when suddenly the little girl winked and asked, "Do you want to get undressed and we can play doctor?" The little boy replied..... "You're so old fashioned' "spit out your gum, I want to play president
SPM,...times are hard, the market is shifting...
Market is in the toilet and SPM is having an identy crisis.
World is coming to an end.
:-)
From the SPD...
SPM,...enjoy...
OK. I guess it's only fair for the men to get a female bashing joke every once in a while. I have to dmit......these are pretty funny.
THIS IS FOR MEN TIRED OF RECEIVING MALE BASHING JOKES
How many men does it take to open a beer? None! It should be opened by the time she brings it.
Why is a Laundromat a really bad place to pick up a woman? Because a woman who can't even afford a washing machine will probably never be able to support you.
Why do women have smaller feet than men? It's one of those evolutionary things" that allows them to stand closer to the kitchen sink.
How do you fix a woman's watch? You don't. There is a clock on the oven.
Why do men break wind more often than women? Because women can't shut up long enough to build up the required pressure.
If your dog is barking at the back door and your wife is yelling at the front door, whom do you let in first? The dog of course. He'll shut up once you let him in.
All wives are alike. They just have different faces so you can tell them apart.
What's worse than a Male Chauvinist Pig? A woman that won't do what she's told.
I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months: I don't like to interrupt her.
What do you call a woman who has lost 95% of her intelligence? Divorced.
Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.
Scientists have discovered a food that diminishes a woman's sex drive by 90% It is called Wedding Cake.
Marriage is a 3 ring circus: Engagement Ring, Wedding Ring, Suffering.
Our last fight was my fault: My wife asked me "What's on the TV?" I said, "Dust!"
In the beginning, God created the earth and rested. Then God created Man and rested. Then God created Woman. Since then, neither God nor Man has rested.
My wife and I are inseparable. In fact, last week it took four state troopers and a dog.
Why do men die before their wives? They want to.
What is the difference between a dog and a fox? About 5 drinks.
I don't know if many of you will be able to help me or not, most poker players probably know more about divorce than weddings... lol, but I am getting married in Vegas in May. I'm even allowed to play poker on my honey moon!
Does anyone know any good places to get married? I have looked on the internet and the Monte Carlo looks the best so far with the Bellagio being the most over-priced (surprise, surprise). Any local tips would be appreciated.
Thanks.