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Jerry Springer. Dr. Laura. Robin Leach.(does he count as a celebirty?) Adam Sandler. Tony Danza. Brent Musberger (or is he already gone?) Dennis Miller, at least from MNF.
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Just reminded me, Kevin Mcbride played at CA the other night. After watching him rebuy several times, it was time for me to go home, about 3am. When I returned that afternoon, he was still in the same seat, and still short stacked. All I can say about his play is that I now have renewed hope of winning the big one.
I don't think a cash game of any sort has any relevance to an ability to make it to the final table in event #22 of the WSOP. This is especially true of a limit cash game.
Beware of raiser, he may have a real hand.
Beware of the nuts on the river, it's a guy thing.
Beware of the check raiser, he will miss a bet or two, but he lives to trap.
Beware of the blind thief, he may have a real hand.
Beware of your ego, left un-checked you may run a muck.
Beware of the fish, they sometimes turn into sharks.
Beware of greed, it may cause you to play too long.
Beware of the calling station, they sometimes get a winning hand.
Beware of the all in man, he wins almost everytime we have a monster.
Beware of the tells you tell without a word.
SPM,...it's called the beware alert...
i prefer to look at the table as half fishy.
keep up the good work.
brad
Isn't Gretzky's daughter like 8 or something?
I thought she was around 12-13, but let's just say that when she's 18, she'll be a major babe.
ray,
Those of us in WA spend most of our Canadian time in BC. I have loved the fishing up there, and I think Vancouver may be the prettiest city in N. America. Why the anti-BC comment?
KJS
As a British Columbian I don't think this is an anti B.C. comment at all. I agree with both of you it is very beautiful and the way B.C. is treated by Ottawa and every federal governement institution B.C. could be better off if it separates. All the whining seems to work for Quebec so we should try it as well.
This is an American forum, you slug brain!!! You Canadians should get your own forum. I hope you all freeze up there. Ey!!!!!
Oh ya.... well at least....
- our money isn't all one colour; - we don't need an extra down in football; - we drink beer not water; - we don't pretend to be Americans when abroad; - we all have a Health Card; - all our recipes include deer or moose; - we realize that Ann Murray is a babe; - we can wear snow boots to work and the bar; and - we know that the Beaver is a truly great animal.
Since Clarke's goal came many moons (1974) before Anderson's goal in 1987, one can only assume that Anderson's goal is not your first hockey memory:)
Another "Flyers" memory is Bob Nystrom's cup winning goal in OT against Philly in 1980. The game went into Overtime after Brent Sutter tied the score in regulation on a play where he was clearly offside. The linesman blew the call and skewered the Broad Street Bullies that time. Had the Sutter goal been waved off, the Flyers would have gone back to Philly for game 7 and been favoured to win it.
Clarke's goal is Flyers legend, seen the tape many times. Alas, I was not yet born to see it. Comcast cable just happened to play it on Christmas day this year.
I'll let the Supreme Court decide that..
The supreme crooks would vote based on their own economic benefit analysis, as they did in the national election. How big are your bribes?
Kris,
Thanks for the correction. Found some Adhesive on Napster; it kicks ass. Need to find a place to buy the CD. Awesome tip. Are you on Napster?
I think "American Psycho" is a great CD, but I don't own it. Have heard friends copies and I like it even more than some old Misfits.
I'll look up that Metal.
KJS
American Psycho is an okay CD. It has its good songs but it has a lot of mediocre songs also. Famous Monsters is their 1999 release and it is the best of their new material. Glad you liked Adhesive, try to find the song Haven, that is one of my all time favorites. I always have to say the new NOFX is probably the best all around CD ever put into print in my opinion so if you havent heard it you're missing out on the best modern punk. Here's one more kick ass metal song that you can easily find.... Sadistic Intent- Ancient Black Earth go to Sadistic.com and you can listent to it without having to download. If you live in So.Cal I can tell you where to buy most of this stuff, otherwise you'll probably have to go online. Later, Kris
The same problem that bit us last year on December 31 (losing track of posts) happened again this year. I think I've fixed it for the indefinite future, and I apologize for any inconvenience.
Happy New Year to all.
Chuck
This year and every year on 2 + 2. Happy New Year.
Not bad Chuck. If that is the worst thing that happens this year, I will be forever greatful.
who people enjoyed reading his daily comments in the newspaper? Wasn't he an unknown when he started as well? Who is to say SPM might not have a few novels in him as well. Not me
In addition to a sense of brevity, humor, and, an, absence, of, run-on, sentences, separated, by commas, I think Mark Twain could spell successfuly the words stake and border.
Michael 2 + 2 + 3 = 7, ...but then again i could be wrong... in little letters, mayor of Puking at Pathetic Attempts at Prose (PaPAaP)
Gee, Michael, you left dangling modifiers off the list. If you have the chance, read a few of George Orwell's essays and circle the comma splices. You'll feel a bit more superior.
Grammar Man--defending the right of anyone to write without an editor. Even Vince. (SF)
Good morning Michael 7, please excuse my grammar and spelling errors for 2001. I try but but I love comas. Happy New Year!
SPM,...please send me all errors and the reasons so I might learn...
Happy New Year to:
- The 2+2 Fourm hosts - The Forum contributors - The Forum participants
I wish you all a very prosperous New 2001! I also like to apeal to some individuals to hold down their emotions when dealing with different points of view and excercise more tolerance towards others.
This is a great forum, and I personally find it very helpful for my game. Hence, to the steady and generous contributors a big THANK YOU?
The new year brings new opportunities for each and everyone of us should we care to apply ourselves.
Go for it!
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A fresh start :-) I like the sound of it. Happy New Year right back at you.
SPM,...No wins no Loses...
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. . . and then run like hell!
If it's Hold 'em, you're talking about, the probability of flopping a Royal Flush, if you already hold 2 cards of the Royal in your hand, is 0.000051020408 or 0.005% or 1 in about 20,000.
If you don't start with suited face cards (including aces), the odds are infinitely against you.
If you do start with two cards to a Royal, you have only one flop out of all combinations that makes a Royal. Without doing the exact math, I think it comes to about 20,000 to 1 against.
Top Three:
(3)Dressing up like the King and attending Elvis Memorabilia Conventions.
(2)Interested in Psychology
(1)Gun Enthusiast
Hobbies, application sent..
#3 Volunteer political election counter, no education required.
#2 The Don,of all raked poker games. Well it should be a hobby.
#1 Recreational Poker Player...
SPM,...I'm holding out for #1...
Don't forget "Jerking Off."
So, guys? What was it like? Anything special?
Abe,
I was ahead $1000 at 7 p.m. and since I had been running bad and they were closing the strip to traffic at 8 I left before and booked a win.
Sorry, Vince
Dang!
Sounds a little primeval. At least you didn't hear any ephemeral ploces.
Happy New Year, Vince.
Abe
Question: Who are the five most important/best/most influential mathematicians(or related) in history. Suggestions include Gauss, Newton, Archimedes, Bohr, Kepler, Bacon, Plato, Pythagoras, Planck, Einstein, Sklansky. Many more. Any why?
: "God not only plays dice, he sometimes throws them where you can't see them."
Pythagoras, Thales, Descartes, Pascal.
Sorry no data on individuals. However, as a group, the Florida election counters come to mind.
SPM,...just browsing...
Descartes, Pascal, RA Fisher, Taylor, Newton
de Moivre, Monmort, Bernoulli, Pascal, Fermat, Gallileo, and, for modern academics wanting to be published, Erdos.
no more sarcasm. Scratch the last comment.
Albert, Isaac, Blaise, Richard, etc.., EndoftheRoad who hasn't been born yet. One day because of the environment yet to be developed, a math wizard will be born that will surpass all those that came before him. Mainly because of the path others you mentioned have created for him. This I predict with 95% certainty. There's roughly a 5% chance the world will end before the environment can be developed and or the new born arrives.
As for those that have come and gone or are still here , there is a special place in my heart for Blaise Pascal. Without him we may not have had Roulette. And Richard Feynman gave us such a wonderful book about his life. Of course who could forget what's his name, the E=mc something or other guy. What about Fermat's theorem? Even Fermat couldnt figure it and it wasn't solved until a modern guy was pondering the elipse of the sun or is that the eclair from the sun. And that apple thing with Fig Newton. Pythagoras is memorable for that hypopotemuse equation that surely shortend the way around a triangle. Oh so many. Even that Sklansky guy should get honorable mention just because he pisses of Carson and Badger. Bacon; Didn't he found Burger King? Plato might have been up there but he was too busy deciphering what in the hell Socrates was saying. What about Aristotle.? Hell, when he dropped that hammer he made the tower of Pizza lean. Pisa? So many, so many we owe homage too. And fomage also. Yes 2 + 2 = 4, what a religion. Da Vinci please paint another Mona Lisa. By the numbers, of course.
Vince
John von Neumann should probably be added to the list.
The top three in pure math ability were unquestionably Gauss, Newton, and Euler (amazingly no one else mentioned him.) After that, pick two from among Archimedes, Euclid, Von Neumann, Fermat and perhaps Galois as well as a few others. Neither Einstein or Pascal comes close.
You're right. I forgot about Euler. The really amazing thing about him is that he was blind the last few years of his life, so he dictated his work.
As for Galois, if he had lived past an early age who knows what he might have done.
As an economist by training Euler has to be at the top of my personal list. The man was amazing. Gauss, I think probably has had the greatest impact on our lives because of his initial contributions numerical analysis. his work serves as the foundation of most of the computer algorithms that make digital technology so amazing. I would not include Newton on the list because he was such a prick and because others had "invented" calculus before him. Newton won the publish first race by using some skullduggery. At least this is the story I remember.
he changed my manhood to fairy-hood
:-)
someone is obviously trying to instigate me here. The true Boris you have all come to know and love would never lose his manhood.
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what the hell does Nightstick have against me? As for the accusation that I would dress in drag and walk the streets of the castro district in San Francisco, well that's a crock of shit. I would absolutely never do that.... uh, well, if someone wanted to stake me for the 40-80 game at lucky chances I might consider.... oh never mind.
Now I know what club you play in, you been smoked out you might even see me in the 40/80 even tho you wont reckonize the wiz better be prepared
oh yea? what club is it that I play in?
you are ugly.
you are stupid.
actually Im quit a handsome fellow and I will be your worst nightmare in the 40/80,i hope you backer is generous
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n/t
i'd say newton, euler, gauss is pretty accurate. but if you are going to go beyond that you have to seperate influential from inspired. for example, galois's brief brilliance vs sylow basically building the first real results in algebra out of abel's notes.
for brilliant, i'd say raj. for influential, i'd add cauchy and hilbert. i cant believe those last two werent mentioned. hilbert probably did more to shape the previous century of math than anyone.
scott
You should have rightly included the name of our very own M. Malmuth in your list of the greats!
Since my first degree was in math, I should give this a shot ...
I give most credit for greatness for those who developed whole new theories or fields, hence:
Euclid (I was surprised no one mentioned him until David), Pascal, Pythagoras, Euler
Same in "applied math" categories like astronomy, physics, philosophy: Galileo, Descartes, Socrates, Einstein
And I can think of only one modern-day person who might in the future be considered a Greatest: Stephen Hawking.
Dick
I'd have to agree with David: Gauss, Euclid, Euler, and Newton; I'll have to leave the fifth one open.
Two comments:
What about Ramanujan? He gets left out of a lot of lists because he didn't have any real formal schooling until later in life and wasn't around long, but my understanding is that he's considered by many to be one of the greatest number theorists of all time.
Our beloved Einstein, genius though he was, was an appallingly poor mathematician. Hermann Weyl, who despised Einstein, once proved a theorem designed to humiliate him and his weak mathematical skills. (This is related to Einstein's "my greatest blunder" comment.)
Kevin
No takers for Godel?
primeval • \prye-MEE-vul\ • (adjective)
: of or relating to the earliest ages (as of the world or human history) : ancient, primitive
In the pimeval poker world, before Sklansky and Malmuth, poker was played "by the seat of the pants.
vince
The primeval poker player played five card stud. He beat the C-Kid.
SPM,...verbage alert...
Why are the banks closed on New Years Day? No, I don't have a cash station card, I am not tilt proof yet. Recreational Hold'em Junkies (RHJ) are not allowed to have credit cards, cash station cards, checks or people that will give them money in the casino. RHJ's are not allowed to have these items in a casino, it would be a license to tilt.
The RHJ wanted to see the first two cards of the year. Alas no cash, a ridiculous situation. It's my money, I want it now! Okay, then lets call today, a day of anticipation.
What should a RHJ think about, on the eve of his first game of the new year?
He paces the floor, repeating his mantra over and over again, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive, tight and aggressive...
Relaxed for the moment the RHJ, sits in his easy chair, tight and aggresive, tight and...sleep mode, the RHJ inters REM.
"Raise!!" said the RHJ, UTG, with the best starting hand in hold'em, the computer hand :-). It was his first two cards of the new millennium. The poker god had smiled on him, 8 callers with both blinds calling before the bet reached them, it had been capped.
The Flop, Q7A all hearts...
The blinds check, RHJ bets, it returns 8 way action capped. Turn 7, river 7 RHJ wins a monster pot.
A bell rings, it's the abandon ship alarm! Blurred vision, ring, ring, buzz, buzz, ring, buzz, the RHJ out of REM and he answers the phone.
SPM,...first game in REM, up a ton...:-)
Go Get'em Suburban!!!!!!!!
See You AT "Work"
Chris Rock
Al Franken
Steve Martin
2 more, I can't think funny now
Rock is juvenile. I didn't realize Franken and Martin were contemporary, but I don't dare for Franken anyway. How about Steven Wright? George Wallace? Robin Williams? Dennis Miller?
Al Franken is an asshole.
I like - Jeanene Goropholo, and the fat Korean Margaret Chao.
Al Franken may be an asshole, but I saw the 1996 Washington Correspond's dinner. He was pretty funny. He is definitely a funny writer (early SNL), but I am not surprised you dislike his attacks on the politicians you like. There ain't no such thing as an honest politician. They all deserve what they get.
Janeane Gaofalo, jerry sienfeld, george carlin , Dennis Miller, and Dennis Leary.
I know the answer to this one:
Bill Hicks Chris Rock Dennis Miller Janeane Garofalo Eddie Izzard
argy-bargy \ahr-jee-BAHR-jee or ahr-ghee-BAHR-ghee\ (noun) : a lively discussion : argument, dispute
Holdem hands sometimes produce a great argy-bargy here on the 2 + 2 forum.
Vince
Fact or Fiction?
The story you hear every now and then about a student who arrived late to a math class, and when he got there all he found was an empty class and an unsolvable problem(or two) on the chalkboard that he mistook as being homework to be done over the weekend. He allegedly solved the problem.
This story seems to be told by self-improvement types who want you to consider human potential when you don't impose limits on yourself(or something like that). But they never tell the name of the student or school where this allegedly happened.
I don't deny that the story is true, I'd just like more details. Like what branch of math was envoled? Why was it considered impossible to be solved up to that point? etc....
I think that was Sklansky.
It's an urban legend. But it's true! The Urban Legends website has the lowdown.
The story was used as the setup of the plot in the 1997 movie Good Will Hunting. As well, one of the early scenes in the 1999 film Rushmore shows the main character daydreaming about solving the impossible question and winning approbation from all.
The facts : George B. Dantzig, a mathematician at Stanford University, arrived late for a statistics class one day when he was a graduate student at the University of California, Berkeley. He found two problems written on the board and solved them as a homework assignment, not knowing they were examples of "unsolvable" statistics problems. The story is recounted in an interview with Dantzig that appeared in the September 1986 issue of the College Mathematics Journal, and his solutions to the two problems can be found in these journals:
***Dantzig, George B. "On the Non-Existence of Tests of 'Student's' Hypothesis Having Power Functions Independent of Sigma." Annals of Mathematical Statistics. No. 11; 1940 (pp. 186-192).
***Dantzig, George B. and Abraham Wald. "On the Fundamental Lemma of Neyman and Pearson." Annals of Mathematical Statistics. No. 22; 1951 (pp. 87-93).
I think in general this is rare. ALthough some want us to believe the only reason we don't do things is because we don't believe we can.
ALot of unsolved problems in mathematics are unsolved not because people don't believe they can solve them it is because they are difficult.
I remember feeling rather dumb when my thesis advisor used to ask me many questions I could not answer. I began to feel a little better when I realized he didn't know the answers to them either...
Dan Hanson, of course.
Gee, I thought you were going to say Badger ;-).
Regards,
Rick
Mr. Hanson should be happy. I won. The commencement of the final solution, however, will not be televised.
www. Dr. prozac to the resue.com
I am starting a pot limit holdem game in Chicago. Looking for a few more players. The game will be played weekly. It will have 2 and 5 blinds. If you are interested please email me at-----------eslmn1@msn .com Thank You, Eric
Bands and/or solo artists people will still be listening to(at least fairly regularly) 300 or more years from now:
(1)Beatles(of Course, 2000 years from now too. No question about it)
(2)Led Zeppelin(Maybe, I hope so)
(3)Elvis?
(4)Madonna (No Way)
(5)Whitney Houston (No Way. She often compares herself to the Beatles because she's either tied or surpassed them in regards to number of hits, or some other category. I get ill when she mentions herself in the same breath with them.)
Do you think there will be radio stations that will feature only 20th Century Rock Music hundreds of years from now, or at least still mixing it in with their contemporary stuff? It's easy to picture 1950's revivals popping up now and then(dress & Music)for centuries to come.
1. "We Will Rock You"
2. "We Are The Champions"
3. "The Boys Are Back In Town"
4. "Start Me Up"
5. "You Shook Me All Night Long"
You'll notice that it'll only be the opening bars of most of these songs played at sporting events, but kaching is kaching
Forgot about "Bad To The Bone", "Tuff Enough", "Stand By Me", and "La Bamba".
LOL -- great topic.
While I can't vouch for "famous" and of course, there is no way to collect or pay off, I would bet my last dollar that folks going camping will be singing John Prine's "Illegal Smile" around the campfire for centuries to come. :-)
Limp Bizkit need not apply to the "famous forever" sweepstakes.
Mike
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...but then again, so did "Loverboy."
Mike
I can just picture a Boy Scout troop 300 years from now sitting around the fire singing "Illegal Smile," followed by a rousing rendition of "Lola."
John
As far as bands, I think things will change so much in popular music in 300 years that they will all be forgotten.
The only music that has endured for more than a century is classical music, and all of the great classical music has already been written, and will survive forever.
Think about the songs you know that are more than a hundred years old. They are either religious, traditional folk or defining of a particular national or populist character. I would therefor rate all of the following to have longer lives than "I Can't Get No Satisfaction" or "She Loves Me":
Amazing Grace, Danny Boy, Silent Night, Jingle Bells, Auld Lang Syne, 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall, Take Me Out to the Ballgame, Michael Rowed the Boat Ashore
The only songs by popular musicians I would give a chance are This Land is My Land and possibly Blowing in the Wind. There may be some by show tune type composers that I am overlooking. Irving Berlin's "God Bless America" come to mind.
"White Christmas", sung be Bing Crosby possibly.
There will probably not be anything left standing 300 years from now. The whole thing will have collapsed.
Radios?! Bands?! It's understandable to think in current terms for the future and to project there what's happenin' today. But civilization not only progresses but its progress accelerates! If we could look into the future and see what's going down 300 years from now, we would not feel the shock that a guy from 300 years ago would feel coming on today. No, we would feel the shock of someone coming into 2001 from something like 3,000 years ago, at the very least! That's the jolt.
Bands?! Radio?! The only prediction I can make is that by that time everyone would be able to compose and play anything real easy.
Just another distraction.
"Ba Ba Black sheep", "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star", and the "ABC" song all have the same tune. Therefore I think that is one tune that has a good chance to survive for a hell of a long time.
John,
I'm struck by the coincidence that many songs you and others list seem to arise from the collective pysche rather than from a specific source. Songs such as these are known to all of us, yet none of use can say how or when we learned them or who wrote them. Of course they'll survive. One more: "Happy Birthday"
John
Is thei John F. the real 2 + 2 beloved pshco(logist) John Feeney. I have my doubts. I recall majestic posting of John Feeney that had the undeniable psychosomatic imprint of an indubitible mind. And here I get: "Ba Ba Black sheep", "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star", and the "ABC". This disturbs me. If Fohn F. is the previous master Poster John Feeney, author extrodinairre of "Inside the Poker Mind", then Perhaps he is in need of someone such as himself. a someone that can couch him and say nice things to him. Like it's o.k. to get older John. No need to revist childhood. Then at the end of the session he may say Now go along young man and play some poker or do some other things you enjoyed doing in your youth.
Does anyone else have doubts that John F. is John Feeney? If not please explain why he changed from posting as John Feeney and no longer lists his e-mail address. I am of the belief that John F. may just be a John Feeney wannabe and he is starting here on 2 + 2. He may even have plans of taking over John Feeney's body and his life. (God what a stupid guy he is). Yes our John feeney may be in grave danger.
This John F. may be stalking him right now. And I think I know a few candidates for the stalker and just who this John F. really is. There are jealous people out there in Southern Cal. Why Jim Brier is out there right now according to his posts and we all know Jim has enough poker knowledge to jump right into John Feeney's shoes. Plus he is already a regular poster here on 2 + 2. Could be Jim. But my very first choice is none other than Pretty Boy Nebiolo. I wouldn't put it past him being only half Italian and all. Italian Mongrelity has a way of warping the psyche. Plus he is trying to impress Hero and what better way then becoming a famous author (literally).
Well everyone this is a poll. Will the real John Feeney please stand up. That's from an old T.V show. Ha,Ha. Please vote whether you think John F. Is really John Feeney.
Vince
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I certainly don't know. But looking at your question in the conventional sense, it is I, Vince. And you know I wouldn't lie because I have daughters. (Remember what you said about having daughters?) And those daughters put me in touch with Ba Ba... etc. And they reduce my available posting time - one reason why I have recently produced fewer posts of the same great great profundity the world has come to expect. As for therapy, I may go back someday. It was great. But not right now. As for Jim or Pretty Boy taking over my body, well, if I swapped with either of them at least I wouldn't have that damned drive to LA to play higher limits. But I'd better not. I don't think either of them knows how to play Chutes and Ladders.
John F(eeney)
Whew! Am I glad the real John Feeney stood up! i talked to Mason about your where abouts and he too wasn't sure you were you. I will admit I missed your "....same great great profundity" And yes I do recall what I said about having daughters. Lucky!
Vince
BTW - Was the "great great" somehow a Freudian slip indicating a prefernce for "Tony the Tiger" frosty flakes? See, you ain't the only psycho(ligist) on the forum.
Walking into the poker room for the first time in 2001, what a wonderful feeling. The anticipation of playing turns to excitement with a touch of fear. Tight & aggressive, tight & aggressive the celebrity mumbles under his breath. The massive 7 table card room was full and the lists, were as long as your arm. Anticipation mode re-entered.
The SPM, walked slowly thru the room checking out all the players and the games. A nod here, a happy new year there, and hand shaking all around. Everyone seemed happy the holiday season was over and everyone wanted their first win of the year. Time was on the side of the SPM, it would be sometime before he would get into a game.
Getting dinner out of the way was a good idea, first meal at the casino's Epic Buffet. The mashed potatoes were good. Further comment could put the narrator in danger of lying.
Dinner out of the way and no mouth wash, it took 1 ½ hours to get a seat in the 1-5 seven card stud game. It may not be his game of choice, but it was action, three good starting cards the SPM reminded himself. 25 minutes later, 5-10 hold'em, 1 hour of total play and the SPM moved into 10-20 hold'em, his game of choice. He was losing at a rate of $30 per hour, he thought he could do better.
Tight & Aggressive, he had to remind himself of his mission, he was still a recreational player with periods of short term memory loss. The game was good, a mix of Valley wanabees (I'm one of them), and full time residents of Any2card Town. Mucking all hands until the first button hand, the SPM looks down and sees two beautiful queens. Raise! The sb and bb call three way action. The flop, Axx, sb checks, bb bets, SPM folds. Turn another Ace and the river was an x. The bb wins with three aces because his kicker is bigger than the sb Ax.
Another round and at the cut off the celebrity has 45 hearts, 3 limpers and the button will play any2cards. Memory lapse, "call" says the SPM, six way action and he wins on the river when the third heart hits. You got to play the luck factor. Okay that made up for the loss of the queens.
First card of the year dealt face up Ace of hearts. The dealer was very apologetic, don't sweat the small stuff it happens the SPM reassured the dealer. The fact was the ace would have cost the SPM some chips.
The 45 of hearts was a gamble that paid off and the SPM new it. He would not play rags again this session for sure, maybe. Then came the hand of hands, pocket aces on the button, some limpers and the cut off, River Boat Rich, raises. SPM makes it three bets to go. The Midnight Marauder in the small blind calls 25 cold. The flop all xxx's two diamonds, all check, SPM bets. Everyone calls, the turn a K the bb the Ricksha Kid bets out, the SPM raises, 4 way action to the river. The third diamond, the Midnight Marauder bets, bb calls, SPM mucks the aces, Midnight shows a 89 of diamonds, Ricksha Kid AKo. Stunned and upset, within himself, the SPM writes the Marauder's name in his black book and puts ninety two lines thru his name. Then he calls his wife and has the Marauder's name removed form the Christmas list for 2001.
When you lose with your first pocket aces of the year, this is a bad sign. After five hours of play the SPM leaves the casino. His new hourly rate, minus one stack per hour. Keeping his day job and not turning pro this year, may have been the right decision.
Reflecting on the celebrities first game, he probably played 10 hands that were marginal at best, the money he could have saved by mucking them might have allowed him to last longer and turn the loss into a win. But it was too late, the damage was done, broken hearted the SPM vows to return.
SPM,...excuse me for now I must meditate, begin mantra, tight & aggressive, tight & aggressive, tight & aggressive, tight & aggressive, REM mode, I do better in REM...
and I hesitantly would like to say this as only you know you bankroll conciderations and abilities etc.
Is it a maybe that you should resist the pull of that 10-20 table for awhile and just stay at the 5-10 table until you grind out a fat bankroll with your SOLID, TIGHT, AGGRESSIVE play?
Apologies in advance if this idea is totally unacceptable, SPM!
Reflecting on the celebrities first game, he probably played 10 hands that were marginal at best
Only count 9. 4h5h wasn't so bad. Next time shoot for 8! Good luck in 2001.
What career fields do you think suits a poker player best? (Poker pro is not a choice!). I know there are many lawyers that post on this forum. I'm in the investment industry, as was the gentleman that was in the final table of the WSOP a few years ago. I can't remember his name right now.
HB,
1) Mathematicus 2) Stock Market 3) Any other career that gives you time and money to play!!
paul
N/T.
Thing is, most successful poker players come from successful backgrounds in other many areas.
You will hardly see an auto mechanic or plumber winning the WSOP (sorry guys but it just ain't gonna happen.
I can't think of one good one who is not a winner in life's other endevours.
Think about it - being successful in poker - specially tournament poker - takes aggression, control, dicipline and reading people. All prerequisits to being successful in other careers.
Doesn't matter what you do so long as you do it well.
,,,
i know a professional (well, you know) writer who plays a lot of poker and claims that the patience and discipline to write everyday transfer to poker, as well as the introspection it takes.
of course, hes nutty as a fruitcake, and doesnt get out much :)
brad
You're also as nutty as a fruitcake in the eyes of most, so watch the name calling, buddy. Heh.
are you a writer? i thought you said you were a programmer? actually i was talking about someone else, and of course i would never say anything bad about you anyway (as far as you know). also you are technically incorrect, as i am far more *nuttier* than a fruitcake :) (shakespeare baby).
#include brad
------------------------------------------------ Why my paper is late
"There are so many days that have not yet broken." -- Rig Veda
When you say to me, why are is your paper late?, are you fully aware of what such an answer entails? Are you rich enough for such an answer, such a noble answer, or do you simply content yourself with the trenchant excuse, offered as though an aside? There is a depth to all profound spirits that those who are not used to such sculptured forms find villianous, as if one in following a companion has suddenly realized the path has wended onto a dangerous mountain precipice; and looking in fright for support, one finds the companion revelling in the sheer joy of the high mountain peaks. What is vertigo for these rare climbers if not a triumph in the possibilities of mastery? And of consequences?
And so to these scalers, who would weigh up terror -- and having found it wanting -- laugh; to what would you, who impart to such a sound a wholly different character, what could you gain from such an experience? For up here, in the rarified air, sounds have a wholly different meaning, a meaning from above.
Have you heard? There are so many of OUR days which have not yet broken, there are so many rich hued dawns which await only the eternal yes to awaken.
And if our paths, those narrow, tortuous mountain trails do not bode well for commerce? If our way would be the slip and the ruin of those well oiled multitudes of traders? What of it, to we spirits who have BECOME free; what do we lose on our descent by lingering on that last peak, by seeing the last time as if for the first time that golden bowl going gladly under, being swallowed up within the frosty mountain peaks where such as we need not needlessly suffer ...
And if only then, coming down, the horizon suddenly gone, we find ourselves under, only then do we check our pockets -- if only then is our gaze and our thought gently nuzzled from the ruddy azure sky -- if only then do we realize we are on the way down, if only then we realize -- look out!-- what of it?
If we lofty spirits, we anti-idealists, we who require the windswept granite and the soulbiting cold, if we require a brief sojourn apart, a sojourn above the hum drum no numb saying shrieking of the peddlers, if we require a brief respite to renew the tearful embracing of our souls, what can such a common delay be to we who have given to the pinnacles we have dared to behold -- even our very blood!
"After a great victory. -- What is best about a great victory is that it rids the victor of fear of defeat. 'Why not also lose for once?' he says to himself; 'now I am rich enough for that.'" -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Die Frueliche Wissenschaft
of course the greater than/ less than signs dont show up. should look kinda like this.
#include (iostream)
int main(){ std::cout(("sorry about that, bud"((std::endl; }
Heh. I know you weren't talking about me but you calling someone a nutcase is sort of like...uhh...Richie Brodie telling someone to control their anger better.
to paraphrase,
" there's always some madness in (whatever), but theres always some reason in madness."
for example. last night no limit he tournament, i barely get to the last table with not even enough for the big blind. 2500 of 176k in play.
we draw for the button and --bingo-- im the big blind and all in for the first hand of the final table.
moral of the story: i finished 2nd ( and probably should have won but i forgot to cross my fingers at a critical moment.)
brad
I'm not clever enough to compile directly from a lynx browser window, but I'd hazard there is a return value missing. And George is nutty.
JG
for the record i never *said* george was nutty; after all, he is my hero ( a winning poker player whos not a jerk!? -- what happened) .
actually the standard specifically states that the return statement may be omitted from the main function, although the return type (int main, never void main) may not.
brad
Wed night NL. 176k in play. hmmm, you play at Gila? You're no from Iowa or somewhere like that are you?
JG
i think im the guy to whom you responded that you didnt disagree with anything i was saying. ( i was seat 1 , you were i think 4 and big blind.)
if that was you i mean. at this stage im sure im me.
brad
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Posted on: Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 2:57 a.m.
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Posted on: Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 12:01 p.m.
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Posted on: Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 1:41 p.m.
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Posted on: Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 1:07 p.m.
Posted by: brad (bradley_abc@yahoo.com)
Posted on: Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 1:33 p.m.
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Posted on: Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 5:52 p.m.
Posted by: brad (bradley_abc@yahoo.com)
Posted on: Friday, 5 January 2001, at 2:25 p.m.
Mike, I assume you qualified for Round 2 of the WSOP freeroll last night.
I feel like a schmuck for busting out in 12th place, even thoug it took two consecutive 3-outers to do me in. I should have sat on my stck when I had 6k, but didn't think it was quite enough to milk given the chip status of the others.
Yeah I had about T$8k at the last 2 tables and played super tight. Mucking premium hands to bigger stacks I was not gonna get through that many players and mess up in the last few hands I did qualify - hated to see you bust out.
10th is good as 1st in this one so I played it that way.
You'll make it next time Mike.
I played in that last night too (or yesterday afternoon for you guys). Look out for me aka Cassandra. Hope to see you there on Sunday.
Andy.
(note: this is just what I think and how I feel based on my experience. just wanted to get my two cents in after reading all those other great posts on topics similar to this. I am certainly not trying to preach to anybody.)
Pros:
-Complete time freedom. If you have the ability to beat the game you are playing in you can play anywhere, anytime. You can play everyday, once a week, once a month… all depends on how much money you want. No set schedule is needed.
-You have no superiors to answer to. In that sense you are your own boss.
-You can wear whatever you want.
Cons:
-If you play daily or close to it, the game becomes a lot less fun.
-You have to play to get money. That is, you have to constantly put in your hours and “work” if you want a good consistent income, and you won’t get paid a cent on your sick days and vacations. There are no opportunities for a residual income in poker, unless maybe you stake somebody.
-Swings. You can go thru some pretty substantial swings in your quest for a bet an hour. I guess if you are very strong mentally then this is not much of an issue.
-Sitting all day at the poker table will take its toll on your health especially if you don’t regularly exercise. If you’re not in California you may also probably have to deal with smokers at the table. This is one of the things I hated about playing in Vegas.
-No 401K, stock options, insurance benefits, etc.
-It can get very boring and frustrating sitting patiently for hours at the table waiting for good hands, getting them beat, and then having to wait some more.
-At least when you’re actually playing, poker is a very lonely game. You have no one helping you out. No one is on your side. Everyone at the table is trying to take your money, and you are trying to take theirs. They want to see you lose, and you want to beat them out of every dollar they have.
-There will be sessions where you play great poker for six hours, but you get dealt crap, you keep missing the flop, your draws don’t get there, your sets get cracked on the river, etc. and you lose a significant amount. And sessions like this happen a lot no matter how good you are. If you can’t handle this it will really depress you.
-If you have lots of financial obligations (bills, alimony, car payments, etc.), and poker is your only source of income, naturally there will be a lot of pressure on you to perform well even though sometimes there is nothing you can do about losing. It takes a unique person to handle this kind of pressure year in and year out.
-You have to be really, really good and your opponents have to be really, really bad in order for you make a comfortable living. And there is almost no chance whatsoever that you could become a millionaire playing limit poker.
Conclusion:
I’m sure that there are plenty of pros and cons that I missed. But the bottom line is you have to be a very special person to make it as a poker pro. I firmly believe that any player good enough to beat poker for 1 BB an hour could easily make twice as much in half the time at some other endeavor.
Most regular poker players will tell you that they play only for the money. But I can guarantee you that no one, I mean NO ONE, plays just for the money. They play for other reasons that either they don’t want to admit to, or perhaps the reasons are so deep-seeded, repressed, suppressed, buried, whatever, that they don’t even realize them themselves. (I am no psychiatrist this is just what I think)
Other than winning money, you don’t really get anything done sitting at a poker table. You don’t really grow as a person. There is no real honest satisfaction or self-esteem to be gained playing poker. The great majority of people that you play with are losers (if that’s not the case you are probably in the wrong game).
Spending time with your family and friends, being productive, meeting worthwhile people, working toward goals, etc. those are where the real values are in life. Not from beating morons at the poker table. I hope many of the young, college-type, wanna-be “rounders” will think about this.
I agree with Alan Schoonmaker that playing pro-level poker is great to do as a secondary source of income, something on the side. But grinding a $20-40 hold’em game day in and day out… no thanks.
sucker
Great post,I should do this twelve years ago.
On the other hand, I am recently retired and find the mental stimulation very valuable. As well, where would you find something more challenging. However, I don't really need to win to eat. I think I play as hard as if I had to win though. Dave
x
Don't get me wrong I love poker. And I greatly admire anyone that make a good living from doing what they love, whether it be this or something else.
But I believe that when it comes to poker, more than anything else, you must be completely honest with yourself. Doesn't matter whether you're playing for fun, the challenge, the socializing, whatever, just as long as you consciously realize and accept your reason/reasons for wanting to play. Otherwise you are probably better off doing something else.
Like Jim Brier said if you are playing only for the money you should not play poker. There are so many other pursuits in life much more rewarding than poker. And by "rewarding" I mean both financially and emotionally.
sucker
Love.
Love for the challenge of searching for and discovering the endless distinctions in setting and gaining strategic outcomes.
Love for the process of constant and neverending skill development in one's craft (and yes, poker is a craft, an artform of infinite strategic and tactical distinctions).
Love for the special nuances that one can observe in other people thru the acts of both matching wits and through friendly conversation, reinforcing the fact that each individual you face at the table is special and unique, a gift from above whether or not they seem it at the moment.
Love that flows from having a sense of certainty caused by knowing deep down inside that each and every crisis is a blessing and an unprecedented opportunity to develop oneself artistically, professionally, and most of all, spiritually from the inside out.
With love comes passion and with passion comes the genuine commitment to truly enjoy not just the rewards but most especially the journey. I have a friend who is a professional rock climber. And he told me that climbing El Capitan (a world famous rock in Yosemite) is NEVER easy. "In fact", he says, "99% of each and every step on the over potentially lethal trip to the top is extremely difficult physically, mentally, and emotionally. But I love every moment of it. I love the near falls and the comebacks. I love the preparing, the planning, and the actual meeting of the tip of my fingers to every single stone that I use to painfully propel myself to the very top. I love the pain that my joints and muscle are subject to as I climb each and every step and pull up. I love the danger as much as I love the gentle breeze that catches my face as I turn to see how far I have progressed."
It's the same in artistic endeavors of any kind guys, be it painting or law or military warfare or the martial art or poker. There are joys, there are sorrows, there are triumphs, there are defeats, there are exciting periods, there are boring periods, there are inspired periods, there are burned out periods.
How will you know that the life of the full-time pro is for you? You will know that full-time professional play is for you when you love the losses as much as you love the wins, when you love the failures as much as you love the successes, when you love the defeats as much as you love the victories, when you love the lean years as much as the rich years, when you love the sorrows as much as the joys when you love the journey as much as you love the rewards.
If you are a person who has been destined to be a full-time poker pro, you know exactly what I'm talking about and will therefore need no further explanation. If you're a person whose destiny lies elsewhere, no explanation will suffice. But does that mean that you can't enjoy this great "American pasttime"? Of course, not. Just be sure never to kid yourself when you play.
I am very impressed at the level of honesty that has been expressed recently by many people here at "other topics" as well as at "General Theory" about the role that poker should play in their lives. The twoplustwo forum is indeed a forum of great integrity. It is an asset for the full time pro and the non-fulltime pro alike.
LOVE your post.
You forgot something very important under Pro's:
Cocktail Waitresses
Unless you play in AC, then they are a negative.
See my post "Vince the logician, not"! under General theory.
Vince
I remember hearing that word used in the movie "Reversal of Fortune" by Annabella Sciorra when she describes what a Lawyer needs to be, she's a Honey!
It starts as a tiny noisy thing, full of unchanneled stength and energy, a thing of unending movement. As it grows older and stronger it slows down a bit and begins to do important things, using its strength to dig canyons and fertilize flood plains with its silt. A few rivers, like a few men, do great things, carving monuments that are a wonder to the world. And also like some men, a few rivers create sorrow and disaster, bursting out of their channels with vicious strength to flood the fragile dwellings of men. But most rivers, like most men, pass quickly and are forgotten, having barely scratched the surface in their moment of time. A passage from THE YEAR OF THE ANGLER by Steve Raymond.
"having barely scratched the surface in their moment of time. "
There was a river, existing for only a brief moment, that has left a legacy for man to wonder and marvel at for eternity. Visit the Grand Canyon and see if you agree.
Vince
" A few rivers, like a few men, do great things, carving monuments that are a wonder to the world" The Grand Canyon of the Colorado is a great example.
Reminds me of a taoist story about the way of water; the journey sometimes requires seeking the lowest places.
The river comes, as you expect, but takes you on twists and turns, highs and lows. The joys it provides are mirrored only by the heartbreak it can assay.
And of course, women are the rake. Isn't that what "they" say?
Where can I find a poker game during the week in the KC, MO area. I will be there all week staying at the Plaza and want to play some cards at night. Thanks, and hope to see you there.
sui generis \soo-eye-JEN-uh-rus or soo-ee-JEN-uh-rus\ (adjective) : constituting a class alone : unique, peculiar
As games go poker is sui generis. Nothing else comes close for instant gratification whether you like winning or losing.
Are you planning to become a Scrabble Champ?
A#1
"As games go poker is sui generis. Nothing else comes close for instant gratification whether you like winning or losing."
I suspect that people with a video game mentality might beg to differ with you, Vince.
How can the Word for the day be two words?
3 bet,
The word for the day is offered precisely for people like me and you. Two words sometimes spell one.
Vince
Vince,
Or one word sometimes spells two. One student rendered "wainscotting" in this fashion: "Wayne's Coating." Or, three words spells two as in "cul de sac" becomes "cuddle sack."
John
For a song to be truly bad, it must distinguish itself from the merely bad. For example, "Kung Fu Fighting" is bad, but not truly bad. Truly bad songs usually attempt to say something profound, meaningful, philosophical, or emotional, but lack the capacity to do so because of various flaws in lyrics, music, and meaning.
Here's my bottom five:
5. Paul Revere and the Raiders: "Indian Reservation" Noble intent; dismal failure; these people should not have put these sentiments into words.
4. Helen Reddy: "I Am Woman" No explanation necessary. I'm prepared, though, to defend why I have rated it so highly compared to the last three.
3. "I'm Pround to be an American" Me too, but I don't feel compelled to put those thoughts into mindless drivel.
2. Frank Sinatra: "My Way" Oh, I can hear it now, but think of the lyrics and Sinatra's entourage of henchmen, bodyguards, and yes-men.
1. Absolute worst song of all time because it meets all the criteria is John Lennon's "Imagine." Relentlessly juvenile.
Finally, a special category: Worst Appropriation of a Pop Song. "Born in the USA." I'd expect few to quibble with me on this complete misreading of Springsteen's intentions and lyrics.
John
Born In The USA is indeed a simplistic, tiresome song IMO.
As for "Indian Reservation", is this the song I am thinking of as "Cherokee Nation?" I do not see why any group should not have put those sentiments into words, whether I agree with them or not. If you are talking PC-ness here...PC-ness is 90% B.S. IMO.
If we hold even Art to P.C. standards, very little Art would be left (in literature, especially).
Mark,
Yes, that's the song I'm referring to, but I'm not objecting to it for PC reasons. Rather, I object to the ways in which all of these songs attempt to use the "pop" genre to send "messages." For example, you may want to compare each of these songs to Billie Holliday's version of "Strange Fruit," which has something substanstial to say politically and emotionally.
John
I didn't bother to look at the email address or I would have known it was you (and would not have thought it was likely to be a P.C.-based objection).
I think if their goal is to send messages they might want to consider embedding Morse code in the rhythm somehow.
x
Pretty much anything by Limp Bizkit or Backstreet boys should be on the list. Actually about 99.9% of everything on MTV is total swill so this question is too hard to answer, the world has too much crappy music.
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Horse With No Name, by America
Anything by Neil Young after 1970
"Horse With No Name, by America"
- Wildfire, by some nameless, faceless socal studio musician proves that a horse WITH a name is worse than one without
"Anything by Neil Young after 1970"
- Neil Young has put out some great (and rotten) music in his day, but the post-1970s stuff was not all bad. Hss "Freedom" album ranks among the best of the barren 1980s.
Using J. Cole's "pretension" modifier, here is some more wretched excess.
Half Breed- Cher; The War Song- Culture Club; America- Neil Diamond; They Built this City- Starship, LA Woman- The Doors, We Didn't Start the Fire- Billy Joel, A 5th of Beethoven- Walter Murphy, Mr. Roboto- Styx, One Tin Soldier- (I forget), Papa Don't Preach- Madonna, The Final Countdown- Europe, Seasons in the Sun- Terry Jacks
Kudos to Billy Joel for having two desrving entries. Throw in "Allentown" and "Captain Jack" and he wins the Suckiest Pop Singer of the Millenium award.
. Frank Sinatra: "My Way" Oh, I can hear it now, but think of the lyrics and Sinatra's entourage of henchmen, bodyguards, and yes-men.
Blasphemy. You seem to forget that this song was written by Paul Anka not O'l Bleu eyes. Anka put his feelings to paper with Sinatra in mind. In that respect the lyrics fit the theme of the tune. If Sinatra had written the tune I would think as you do. A bit self serving and quite inappropriate given the facts surrounding "His Way". There can be no doubt, even by a decendant of the great Cole Porter, as we all know you are, that Sinatra's rendition of the tune makes it a classic not the lyrics.
Vince
x
John,
Since when did you become John C.? Is this an attempt to mirror John Feeney's attempt at Feeney lite?
Anyway, "My Way" is a great song when sung by Sid Vicious. Not only was it perfomed in the movie "Sid and Nancy" but it accompanied the closing credits of "Goodfellas".
I'm at Jan's and she voted for "Feelings" by an artist that escapes her. I think it is good choice. I'm also glad you mentioned "Imagine", especially considering you are a leftist. I also think it is crap. Jan disagrees on this one.
BTW, I'll be writing again either tonight or early next week.
Regards,
Rick
Originally by Morris Albert. And by thousands of lounge singers and irony-hounds since then.
But that song doesn't count. I think it was bad on purpose. Sort of like an advertising play like raising 87s under the gun.
I thought the original was good and I liked Julio's rendition also. You guys jus ain got no "Feelings"!
Vince
Rick,
Re: John C. See response to Vince's John F. question. Promise I'll only do it once, well twice. I agree; I love Sid and Nancy, and Sid's performance of "My Way" is the perfect conclusion to the film.
John
In the summer of 1970 I drove coast to coast with an A.M. radio. Rubber Ducky was number 1 on the Top 40 charts. Every brain dead A.M. station played it every third song.
It's a toss-up. Either
Hidin' the Stick or
You Got the Best of Me
Both songs were by a new Orleans Blues Singer named Cleve Lorado. It sold less than 100 copies. It was first performed on the Grady and Hurst Show (or the Ed Hurst Show) called Summertime on the Pier on the Steel Pier in Atlantic City around 1963. Both songs and the performances were unbelievalby bad. I have a copy. When I sent a copy of it to a local radio station for their worst song of all time, they said it would have won, but they wanted a song people had heard about.
A sampling of the words is available on request
They Built This City (Starship)
Saturday Night (Bay City Rollers)
Born In The USA (Springsteen)
Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This (Annie Lennox)
My Way (Sinatra)
Another One Bites The Dust (Queen),
Imagine (Lennon--plus a Pop hit by Lennon's son, the title of which escapes me at the moment)
Plus God only knows how many Rap songs
Saltwater may be the Julian Lennon song which your brain has (thankfully) blanked out. "And when I think about the hole in the sky / Saltwater wells in my eyes". And probably when someone kicks you in the nuts as well.
Andy.
I never understood Eddie Murphy's genius until I hear his rendition.
Tough call. How about
I'm Not In Love When A Child is Born (every child must be made to care - that's very Christian of you) We Are The World Another Day in Paradise Money For Nothing (or is that just me)
Andy.
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The We Are the World album (yes, album) contains a live Bruce Springsteen cover of Jimmy Cliff's "Trapped". It's one of the best chunks of music Bruce ever recorded and more than makes up for the horrible title track.
s
Watching Scotty Grow
-- Bobby Goldsboro
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Elton John
Tears In Heaven by Eric Clapton
Good call, especially the horrendous re-worked version. So what is she, a rose or a candle ? Or - no don't start me off on that.
It was virtually a crime against the State not to buy this record in England at the time.
Andy.
I could never stop my self pollution or my perversion
>nt.
Introductory manual for loose screws...
Have you ever noticed that rocks rarely move, have you ever wondered why? There are many legends and this may be one of them.
They called him the Rock of Wages. He rarely moved, but when he did, it was always a payday! Some said he came form the Rockies, others thought he came from Pebble Stone Beach. He was Tight & Aggressive. When it came to fashion, he never showed rags. His hands were clean, he only played with the nuts. Many stayed out of his way, but most just donated.
He wasn't always the Rock of Wages, in his youth he was known as the Loose Screw Kid. He played here and there, they say he played everywhere. He never played the same, one day he was the action, the next day he was a rock. Then there were the days he was, Mr. Action No Action, those were the dangerous days. Back then he lived in Any2card Town (A2CT) on Standard Deviation Ave..
Times were good and times were bad for the Loose Screw Kid. The residents of Standard Deviation Ave. have severe swings in their bank rolls. But in fairness to the Standard Deviation Ave. residents, they work seriously on their game. They all hope to someday take up residents in the Valley of Patience.
It was at one of their block parties, a small group of Valley wantabees were listening to one of their neighbors. He was close to moving into the VoP as a permanent resident. He only needed to show the VoP Board of Directors another 100 hours of Valley awareness. Valley awareness means, understanding by demonstration, of the three P's, patience, power, and position.
The Kid listen but seemed confused, so he stood up and stated. "We all know about the 3 P's of Valley awareness. But, we all still have problems with compliance more often than we would care to acknowledge. How did you get yourself into compliance mode, and how do you manage to stay so focused though out an entire playing session ?
That's a good question Kid, let me explain the process. It was a long time ago in a far away casino. I had been playing from the VoP, with swing hands from A2CT, this of course is where most of you currently play. It always bugged me that my focus could be so intense, and then without rhyme or reason I'd look at an early position rag hand like J7 suited, and would call with reckless abandonment. Now I never play this hand from early or middle position. Should I play it from late position he asked himself, the answer was vague. Only on rare occasions when the game statistics are correct, but that's another story.
Playing those rag hands always made me sick after a losing session. I thought I might have some brain mall function. I went to a Poker Doctor by the name of B.F. Skinner. He looked my game over and said, "your problem is, you have a few loose screws." "Most players remedy to this problem is to try and tighten all the screws at once," he stated. "You must tighten those loose screws one screw at a time. Go into the game focused to play, and be aware of the one loose screw that is causing you problems, and tighten only that one screw. When you tighten it up, move to the next one and so on, always remembering screws always need readjusting from time to time." he explained. He finished by saying, "trying to fix all the loose screws in your game at on time is too over whelming. You end up sacrificing game focus, then frustration grabs you and all of a sudden the hands you muck, now look good and you play them without rhyme or reason."
We analyzed my loose screws together, and worked out a logical order for tightening up the loose screws. It took some time Kid but in the end, I think it was worth all the patience of working on one loose screw at a time.
The Kid liked the advice and wanted to get Doctor B.F. Skinner's phone number but alas Skinner was dead. The Kid's body language spoke volumes of his disappointment. Hey, cheer up Kid, I know a clinic you can go to, it's called 2+2. They can help you thru the tough hard to turn screws, and if you listen you to can move into the VoP.
SPM,...never late for an appointment on 2+2...
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:-(
...we have among us poker's John Bunyan.
:-)
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ROFLMAO!!
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Posted by: english major (YouDontNeedOldCallingStation@forBackup.com)
Posted on: Saturday, 6 January 2001, at 7:01 p.m.
Dear SPM
Bravo, bravo! One of your best posts yet!
Just another devoted constituent of Any2CardTown ;)
"In the end, we shall not be measured by the strength of our merits, but by the merits of our strengths."
Clearly, Bugs Bunny.
Sounds like something George Washington would say. But to be honest with you I don't know and I'm to lazy to do a quote search.
vince
vince lombardi's daughter?
and to boot I'll slap your ass like a red headed step-child on the poker table, only you weaksters use this forum because you are a hopeless calling station who cant find the card muck like you are suppose to
ive heard this 'red headed step child' thing before. is this a spanish/mexican thing? if not, what nationality/ethnic group is it? just curious as i just recently heard it for the first time.
brad
Brad,
Most likely Irish, I think.
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Can you spare some Jake?
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so what books did you get for christmas?
crash,
I got most of my books from a wish list that was largely based on the 2+2 thread. Most of the books are ones you guys recommended.
Right now I'm reading "Operation Iceberg" by Gerald Astor. It wasn’t on the 2+2 list but is about the battle of Okinawa in World War II. I was interested because my Dad served on a destroyer doing “picket duty” in an effort to lure the Kamikazes away from the beachhead. The land battle was vicious and the destroyer fleet suffered tremendous loses. Now I understand why my Dad almost never talked about the war. But the book is not that well written and I had to search the web for maps so I could follow along.
I’m also reading “Style – Ten Lessons in Clarity and Grace” which appears to be a great book on writing. Obviously I need the help. Another book on writing and life is “Bird by Bird” by Anne Lamott. This was one of your picks. The third book on writing is “How To Write” by Richard Rhodes. He is the noted author of “The Making of the Atomic Bomb” and other works. The last two books on writing I haven’t touched yet. In high school and college I was a terrible writer. I improved a little once I had access to computers in my late twenties as I can type very fast. But my penmanship is so bad and labored that I even write short notes on the computer. Every year my Mom complains about the writing on my Christmas Cards. Next year I might computerize my cards. My cousin did and it came out nice!
I also got the “NPR Guide to Building a Classical CD Collection”. It is probably the only thing I would trust NPR for ;-).
Since I’m a bit of a World War II buff I got “D-Day” and “Citizen Soldiers” by Stephen Ambrose. I also got John Keegan’s “History of Warfare”. I just finished his treatise on World War II and I expect this to be good. I also got “Undaunted Courage” by Stephen Ambrose, which is about the Lewis and Clark expedition early in the nineteenth century. I better like Ambrose’s style with three of his books ;-).
On politics I got “Ten Things You Can’t Say In America” by Larry Elder. Larry is a talk show host on KABC who is quite controversial. He also writes syndicated political columns. He is a libertarian/conservative who happens to be black. So called “Real Blacks” call him an “Oreo” on a good day. I’m sure my left wing friend John Cole would approve. Anyway, here is a link to some of his columns:
The fiction gifts include “White Noise” by Don Delillo, “Stop-Time” by Frank Conroy, “Skin Tight” by Carl Hiassen, “The Hunters by James Slater and “Blood Meridian” by Cormac McCarthy
Notably absent was “Joe” by Larry Brown. BillM strongly recommended this but I don’t get everything on my list in order to keep some element of surprise. I may have to wait until my next big online order since the local B&N doesn’t have it in stock.
Of course I had a few poker books on my list so I got the “Psychology of Poker” by Alan Schoonmaker (a 2+2 book) and “The Little Book of Poker” by David Spanier.
Other than that I received some real nice preppy looking button down shirts from LL Bean (I’m from Newport, Rhode Island - the preppy capital of the world). I also got a neat looking cotton sweater. I’m no fan of talking bass and junk I don’t need so I’m happy about all the good stuff Santa brought.
Regards,
Rick
I got mostly camping equipment for christmas--I'm going to try to hike the appalachian trail starting sometime in march (know of any posters who live near it and can pick me up, feed me, and let me sleep in a real bed for a day? you're lucky, it doesn't pass through RI). down sleeping bag, rain gear, water filtration system, a couple books on the AT. luckily I've been doing well in poker the last few months (knock on wood) so I have some cash lying around to buy the rest of the stuff I need.
I thought "white noise" was phenomenal. it depressed me because it was so well written; as someone who has dreamed about writing a book, I find it tough to read something that good. I fear I could never come close.
Just read Undaunted Courage, I grew up in Charlottesville, VA (birthplace of Meriweather Lewis). Hearing about Lewis's youth was amazing as was the rest of the book. One of the better non fiction books i've read.
I'm interested in comments from anyone/everyone who has read Gary Carson's "The Complete Book Of Hold'em Poker". Private e-mail's are ok too.
TripKings
A 75 year old man went to his doctor's office to get a sperm count. the doctor gave the man a jar and said,"Take this jar home and bring me back a sample tomorrow."
The next day, the 75 year old man reappears at the doctor's office and gives him the jar, which is as clean and empty as on the previous day.
The doctor asks what happened, and the man explains,"Well, doc, it's like this. first i tries with my right hand, but nothing. then i tried with my left hand, but nothing. then i asked my wife for help. she tried with her right hand, but nothing. then her left, but nothing. she even tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with the teeth out, and still nothing. hell, we even called up the lady next door, and she tried with both hands, and her mouth too, but nothing."
The doctor was shocked."you asked your NEIGHBOR?" the old man replied,"yep, but no matter what we tried, we couldn't get the damn jar open!"
good show!
vince
Because he knows where all the bad little girls live.
SPM,...all I want for Christmas is Santa's ho ho ho list...
I've just placed a new essay by Mason in the "Essays" section of the site.
Chuck
It would be a joy to put Conjelco out of business for complicity in racketeering. Please, give us the names and addresses of such sites as Paradise Poker. We know that you have them.
Your unfounded, anonymous, chicken-shit attack on Chuck and Conjelco reminds me that I have to put in an order for a couple items. We have done business with Chuck and all orders have arrived in timely fashion. He also maintains this site. Go back under the rock you slithered out of.
Rick
PS: Please delete the above and THIS post.
1. Don't make any response to "no-name attack posts".
2. Order more stuff from Conjelco.
3. Have no posts deleted----except this one.
two can play your twisted game
n/t
Im tired of my wife(she's a transexual)learning about my homosexual lovers..make him stop!
Lay off you juvenile malcontent BUSH won
i ordered a new copy of theory of poker: keep the essays comimg,,,ConJelCo is great by me...
:-)
Take it from a stud player that learned holdem this essay is an absolute must read. Specifically for struggling holdem players that learned poker through sevn stud. I play both games but I am in my opinion a mcuh better stud player. Mason's article I believe will help me with leaks in my Holdem game. The part regarding incorrect river calls is extremely interesting and worth expanding on. I hope he does so in the future. Although I believe it is a psychological issue that may be more appropriate for a John Feeney to look at.
Vince
Round Two...
The SPM injured in his first battle of the year.
Round Two, the SPM returned to the felt jungle, determined to play from the Valley of Patience (VoP). Our local celebrity was in Valley awareness mode.
Patience, Power, Position, Tight & Aggressive. Only two marginal hands played, in the five hour session.
The poker god was in rare form during the battle. He was testing the SPM's ability to muck hand after hand after hand. But the SPM was focused and would not relent form his mission. Tighten one loose screw at a time, the SPM tightened the hand selection screw.
Finally his first quality hand QQ, beaten senseless, mucking on the turn. The SPM limped in after a raise with KQs, big mistake. The game was good, but the SPM was in mucking mode, hand, after hand, after rag hand.
Boy playing form the VoP is very redundent, muck, muck, muck and muck some more. The troubled hands came unsuited, and it was hard to muck them but the celebrity would not be traped by a trouble hand.
Finnally, in the final hour of play some good starting hands and some wins put the SPM up a couple of tacks. He passed the test, but there were 360 poker days left, can our celebrity hang tough in the VoP?
SPM,...playing from the VoP Tight and Aggressive...
SPM,
Going to Showboat tonight? Cant wait to see the new u!
Just some thoughts...
Michael D (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
i find that if my patience is wearing a bit thin i can steel myself by committing myself (heh) to only loosen up *on the button*, and only of course in unraised pots.
for some reason i seem to get frisky and start considering playing something like 9Ts in middle position. but now i would have a mental out and could tell myself, "if only i were the button...", and quickly muck.
keep playing tough!
brad
You and your elegance, good grief!
Sorry, I can't accomodate your request. I've been play so tight lately, I couldn't get a greased bee bee up my...
SPM,...able to stay cool under fire...
Double up on your prozac...and crack open your FIRST english book, you moron..
We loyal residents of Any2CardTown will run you down like the foul-mouthed doggie dog that you are! Don't mess with our Mayor!
:-)
Congratulation SPM you win the honors from the University of any 2 card Town... is Desire in love with you???
What an a@@hole you are
You really do love SPM
oh no..the secret's out.
and you, by the way, wouldn't make a pimple on his adorable a@@
Like EVERYONE loves the SPM, he's so handsome.
No one in there right mind would be in love with me. To old, to fat, and I got a wife. Ms desire is just a very nice and very funny lady.
You work for Pru?
SPM,...detective mode...
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, Suburban..I think I'd rather be dead and buried than "funny" and "nice".
heh
Tell the truth..don't beat around the bush..you know there's no man that can handle me. I keep telling ya'll that..don't you believe me yet? Must I cart in the cold lifeless bodies of the non-believers and throw them onto the felt to prove it? *cause i will*
Well any man that thinks he can handle you better have stock in viagra. No, even then you'd wear them out. You got style.
SPM,...always strip searched by my wife when leaving the house, no viagra for the road...
Miss desire/// I diffently dont wont to be a pimple on Suburbans fanny , I have greater things on the poker table to worry about! but my sweet dearest you will be diffinitely be manipulated on my green felt if you ever have the courage to grace yourself in my presence in one of the nine seats available in any 2 card town. Geez you have possesive personality complex/// better watch out SPM, groupies can be hazardous to your health at times.
Why on earth would a woman want to be possessive of a man..they are like buses..if you miss one, another will be along in ten minutes..maybe even a bigger bus.
Never seen what the back of a man looks like yet, darlin'..they aint never walked away..
Get real...possessive..lol
Are you a hired shill for SPM??
IF I were on the market, he couldn't afford me..and neither can you...heh
I'll be spending a week in New Orleans a few weeks from now, and I absolutely must play at least 20 hours of poker while I'm there. I'll have a laptop with me, so Paradise in the hotel is an option, but I'd much rather play live than spend 20 waking hours of my trip in the hotel room.
Does Harrah's have poker? What about the Treasure Chest in Kenner? What's it like? How far is it from the French Quarter? Any other suggestions?
Thanks, B$
When we were there last spring Harrah's had poker, as did several of the boats in the area. I like Harrah's best. Its right on the edge of the French Quarter. The boats are all in outlying areas.
nt
wheedle \HWEE-dull or WEE-dull\ (verb)
1 : to influence or entice by soft words or flattery
2 : to gain or get by coaxing or flattering
John Cole continuously tries to wheedle his way into my inner circle of poker buddy's so I will teach him how to discard Q,To.
Vince
Vince,
When I saw the word in the thread title I knew you stole it from John "Wheaton" Cole. Anyway, too bad you couldn't make it to Los Angeles but we all still hope to see you some day.
Rick
Vince,
You don't have enough poker buddies to form a circle; perhaps they all might "pair up in threes and line up in a circle," to quote B. Bowden.
Regards,
John
Stabs a brother coach in the back when he's down by campaigning for the job and talking to the media before the poor slob even gets whacked.
I hope all you Cheifs fans aren't expecting Vermeil to hit the QB lotto again anytime soon. To give him his due, he's capable of turning a doormat into a contender. He's a step above the Joe Bugels, but a ways down from the Bill Parcells'.
Vermeil's even worse than the typical coach/politician when it comes to sanctimony/hypocrisy/supercilliousness/going to the "spend more time with my family" card.
Kinda reminds me of algore, more I think about it.
.
Parcells is no angel himself.I love what Culverhouse did to him in Tampa.If you think Dick Vermeil is just "a step above the Joe Bugels",then more power to you. For me,if I had a favorite team,I sure would want Dick Vermeil as the head coach.
Good Luck
Howard
@
He had decided not to play cards when he woke up this morning. However, after five hours of being Basement Man, it was time for an identity change.
Changing into the Suburban Poker Man, required only one thing, the key to the car.
When he arrived at the casino, he had only five hours till the poker room would close. The game 15-30 hold'em. The plan, tighten one of the loose screws, play tight and aggressive. So he did, but in the final hour of play the SPM was down 3 stacks. How did that happen, you ask? Sometimes any 2 cards win, sometimes they win for FOUR LONG UGLY HOURS!
The SPM was not concerned, he knew tight and aggressive would win out in the long run. The short run losses don't bother him. (Okay,:-( so I'm lying) It bothers me, I HATE TO LOSE!
SPM's bb, pocket 33 double suited. Now I'm cloudy on how many players actually take this flop but the sb The Midnight Marauder, raises. Now this Midnight character is starting to bug me, he always raises my blinds. He is a target junkie. He aims his endless stacks of chips at your blinds and he never backs off. Soon you fear your own blinds. But, I always give my blind to him with a smile on the outside and a &%^%*()!@** on the inside.
But not today, fellow posters! Today, I took a stand! No longer was I going to be the whipping boy for this ruthless Midnight Marauder. No longer was the SPM going to be shoved around by this bullie. CALL, said the SPM!
The flop; 33 something else, you know the rest!
SPM,...working on the positive side of Tight & Aggressive... :-)
Dear SPM,
But the Midnight Marauder is such an adorably nice guy! I can never NOT surrender my big blind to him. He is the only guy I know that losing money to does not get a flash of anger from me. (Ok ok..the other day when he limped in UTG and then called two raises with 2-4os against my QQ and hit A 3 5 on the flop to drag it down..now he wasn't looking so adorable to me or the guy that was in with me with AKs then, I must admit.) But truly he is one of the nicest gentleman you'll meet on felt. Ya hafta just laugh. He gives you those HUGE puppy dog sad eyes and says, "Am sorry" while he's stacking up your chips and goddamn it if you don't believe him! A forever fan...desire
You said: But the Midnight Marauder is such an adorably nice guy!
Oh desire, your hot lips have been tricked. The Marauder is a cunning man, he preys on the weak and clueless. Sure he's a nice guy, I like him also, but alas he is dangerous.
SPM,...I got my Swiss Army knife that Santa gave me, I'm packen when he's in the game...
Ok...which one am I..the weak or the clueless... oh wait...DAMNIT!! Is that what he's doing!!??
You can't be weak, I've seen you take down men the size of bulls, and clueless, not you babe, your a first class action junkie like me.
SPM,...recognizing a class act Ms desire...
Oh be still my heart...
:-)
You better change gears and take on the role of a aggressive maniac for a change///your to predictable, mix it up or Prudential rock will be in need of your services***********
Mix it up? I play any 2 from anywhere...
SPM:-)
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Go to RGP and read Consumer Reports:Badger.
Read word of the day on the General theory forum if interested
vince
Could somebody tell me the odds of being dealt exactly 13 cards and recieving no pair? One of my math major friends (he was pretty drunk so I don't think he was thinking very clearly) said it would be like several billion to one but I said hell no it couldn't be a number that large. My guess is somewhere in the neighborhood of like 200,000 to 1. Actually my guess is irrelevant but oh well. If anybody wants to give me an answer I'd appreciate it. Kris
48/51 x 44/50 x 40/49 x 36/48 x ..... 4/40
666
So what's the short cut?
Vince
That is the short cut. After the first card is dealt, 48 of the reamining 51 cards will give you a card different in value to the first card you dealt. Then you have two cards in your hand. 44 of the remaining 50 cards in the deck and different than the two is your hand. Coninute the process until you are holding 12 different cards, and only 4 of the 40 in the deck will give you no pair.
The simplest fraction this answer can be reduced to is 131072/39688347475. This works out to a probability of .0000033025, or approximately 300,000 to 1.
No speeding ticket for you. Thanks
SPM,...numerically challenged...
A 13 card straight is being dealt so the probability of this happening is 13^4/13 combinations from 52.
The numbers are quite big but the answer is the same as Mr Sklansky's method, a probability of .000106.
Thank you!
Vince
Little Johnny catches his parents having sex and says,"What are you doing?" His dad says." Playing poker and your mom is the wild card!" A few days later Johnny catches his older brother and girlfriend having sex and says, "What are you doing?" Brother says, "Playing poker and she is the wild card!" The next day Little Johnny is in his room and his dad walks in and yells,"What are you doing?" Little Johnny says, "Playing poker!" Father says, "Where is your wild card?" Little Johnny says, "With a hand like this who needs a wild card!"
:-)
.
Sometime during the first couple of days of the WSOP David and I could give a free 90 minute question and answer session at The Mirage if there is enough interest. So how many of you would attend?
I'll be in the front row !
Howard
Only if I get to be moderator.
Vince
I'd be interested if I was in Town.
CV
i'd like to come and meet you guys - don't have many questions but would like to attend.
I'll be the lady with the rubber band sling and tiny rolled up wads of paper ready to go..heh
dates and hotel info requested...
The first tourney is on April 21. Check Expedia or Hoteldiscount.com for rooms, or call the hotels.
if i'm in town, definitely (oh, and if we attend do we get room comps?)
If Jim Brier is a guest speaker, I'll definitely attend. And I would even be more compelled to attend if some of these guys show up: John F., Rounder, Poker Veteran, Abdul Jallib, FossilMan, M, Vince Lepore, Suburban Poker Man. I'm curious how they, and a few others, look like in real life. It would be a great get together.
I'll be there if you spread a goooood buffet
Yes, I would love to come. I fly free on South Western. However, I live on Standard Deviation Ave. I'll need to be in bank roll heaven.
SPM,...just another fabulous reason to play in the Valley of Patience...
Please, if you go through with it, make sure you get a volunteer or two to hold a microphone in the face of each person asking a question. I don't want to wait in line in front of a microphone stand.
.
Wish you would have made the offer for the AC tournament
Didn't read other posts but here's my opinion. As you know Mason I live in O.C. so I may or may not attend, but I think you guys shouldn't be giving info away for free. Also if some beginner type attends and listens to some of the Q&A's they may start to realize how complex the game really is, and decide that they are not interested in delving into such a complex game. Kris
That's like asking a stupid frog if he wants to be a prince.
Mason:
I think it is a good idea - bonding with many 2+2 Forum visitors and expand participation.
I remember two years ago, during the first week of the WSOP, you and David had staged 2+2 Publishing Co. reception in a Golden Nugget room and passed out some fliers in the B. Horseshoe Poker Room .
How did it go? From what I recall, it was done on a fairly short note, and many of us who would wanted to attend did not know about it soon enough.
Another point to keep in mind is that most of the attendees will be out of town visitors, so for this reason your "reception" would be much more suiteable if held in the L.V. downtown.
This occasion would be a good opportunity to invite the representatives of the institutions you endorse on your forums. Let them greet the visitors and say a word or two about their respective services which sponser this forum.
I'll give it some more thought and pass additional ideas by you if I deem that they will be of mutual interest to all in attendence.
Regards,
Ivan
(n/t)
Well, it looks like there will be enough interest. I'm thinking of the afternoon on Friday April 20. How does that date and time sit with most of you. If it is good, I'll get with Donna Harris, Poker Room Manager at The Mirage and see if it can be arranged.
Sounds like a good time to me.
Will camera's be allowed ?
Some people can't attend the Q&A session, so it will be great if this site broadcast it.
Soh
sounds fine
x
I would like to be there, but my plane doesn't touch down until 9:16 PM Friday evening. I'll have just missed it!
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Greg,
2 + 2 will reimburse you the $75 a 1000x with all the questions and answers you will be able to ask and recieve.
Paul
Well, yes, but ...
I would also need to take a vacation day on Friday to leave earlier, and that is not a realistic option. As it is, I don't leave here until like 5:30, and the time zones let me get in early enough to play some satellites before next day's event.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Oh Well buy the video!!!
Paul
Mason or Anybody,
I'm almost sure that Hero/Poker Student “E' and I can make it. Sorry about the RGP type question, but will it be possible to get the poker room rate at the Mirage for that weekend (i.e., does the WSOP going on downtown fill up the Mirage or Bellagio rooms normally reserved for poker players) and if so, how would we go about getting the poker rate? I'm also wondering if we split most of our poker playing time between the Mirage and Bellagio that hours played at both would count towards the discount rate. Note that we won't have time this trip to check out the WSOP so they will get our play.
Regards,
Rick
Rick,
SWA has a special on fairs if your interested.
Las Vegas, NV $34 each way to/from Ontario, CA $39 each way to/from San Diego, CA
Paul
Paul,
Thanks! Normally we drive but at that price flying sounds great. I still need to find out about rooms at the Mirage or Bellagio or a Casino within walking distance for that weekend. I might repost on top later tonight.
Regards,
Rick
The Orleans is off the strip but it is cheap and has a shuttle that stops accross the street from Bellagio's. I believe it runs every 20 minutes or so from ~6 a.m. to 1 a.m. But you should call and check. It's not a bad hotel IMO.
Vince
Vince,
Thanks. I've heard the Orleans is OK. But if the Mirage comes in at around $100 per night or less that would work out better. It is going to be a short trip so being in the middle of things is important.
Regards,
Rick
Rick,
Poker Rates are $65 per nite at the Orleans on weekends. You must play 3 hours a day to qualify. Vince is right about the shuttle and the smoke factor is less there than anywhere on the strip IMO.
Paul
Yes
Mr. Sklansky.
Our radar Patrolman clocked you speeding thru Mr. Goat's posted request for help. Your answer was, 48/51 x 44/50 x 40/49 x 36/48 x ..... 4/40 .
Any2card Town, ordanence 07734, No numerical answers without words to explain.
Fine: Six weeks of hard labor on a chain gang.
Suburban Poker Man Mayor
:-) ...I think, I can get that ticket fixed, if you'll just add a few words, please, SPM...
"parsimonious • \parh-sih-MOH-nee-uss\ • (adjective)
: careful with money or resources; especially : frugal to the point of stinginess"
From the way SPM writes about his poker playing we can see that parsimonius does not apply to his attitude towards money.
Vince
Alas you maybe right, my wife says I should be more parsimonious with our limited resourses. But you can't take it with you.
SPM,...action junkie on the loose...
After one week in the Valley of Patience (VoP)the SPM rests on Sunday. Off to a great start for the year. However, my tush is turning into leather, my rists are swelled and hurt from the endless rist mucks.
Tighting only one screw all week, hand selection. As a recovering action junkie, I get no help from the dealers or the poker god, and lady luck thinks I'm a pig.
I tried to ask some of the Rocks in the Valley if mucking hand after end-less hand was a winning strategy. The Rock's just stare, they don't move, they don't talk, they just muck and stare. Living in the VoP is very lonely.
Can a recovering action junkie stay in the VoP for an extended period of time, without going insane? A mind is a fragile thing and it can play tricks on you in the VoP. Usually about every 15 minutes the dealer and the poker god, test all Valley wannabees.
Hands like K9 suited UTG, look soooooooooooo good! But, you muck and hang tough. Then the flop comes A27 suited, in your suit. The winner has A7 off and wins a monster pot. Your eyes twitch, your hand shakes, and your posture screams, I mucked the nuts! More rags, then pocket 55 in early position. Then the players in your head start to argue, go on play it, no don't, do it, call, no, yes, no. The presure is overwhelming, but you muck. Flop 554. Then finally AKo you raise and lose to a J7 suited who flops a gut straight draw and makes a pair on the river.
Oh poker god why have tho foresaken me! Many go crazy in the VoP and there minds turn to mush. But not this week, the SPM hung tough in the VoP. However an appointment with Dr. B.F. Skinner would sure help. But alas he never returns my calls. Can dead people accept toll calls?
SPM,...stressed and recovering with Basement Man, counting our money over and over and over again, I like winning...
english major/// suggests reading sports pages or any book//// get yourself a palm pilot and start recording hands of other players,this sometimes drives the opponents to slight delirium and annoyance, this is a head game(pyschological nudity)I like to play with the rocks. Buy a CD player or listen to the talk show on AM radio (headphones included)/// at this level nobody noticed you havent played a hand in 3 hours, even tho you raised under the gun with pocket Aces , then losing to Q,9off, when calling station flopped two pair/// so is life in low limit(minimum wage poker)
It ain't about wages, we don't need no stinking wages.
SPM,...we just need end-less hours of hold'em in the VoP...
From what I have seen lately on these Forums, Mark Glover has the best track record for the least fuzzy postings of anyone on these forums. Even Oz occasionally makes a slip which is usually more a careless error than anything else, but Mark Glover appears almost immune to such errors.
There are some who might take offense at Mark Glover's tone or methodology at times. It is not my purpose to speculate on his motives, but I will comment on the value of accuracy and precision. Accuracy and precision are extremely valuable qualities, and are an integral component of avoiding "fuzzy thinking." So those who take might take offense, think again, and perhaps try to learn something about rigorous analysis and expression.
I feel that I frequently make statements that are too broad or are not backed up, yet I greatly value precision. I am working to improve both my understanding and my posting.
Mark Glover is welcome to dissect my posts anytime because I might learn something specific, or I might learn something about accuracy in general.
Also, it is somewhat funny to see the methodical way in which Mark Glover tears apart invalid positions. Those who might take offense might also do well to flip their perspective and see the humor that can be found therein as well. I'll try to remember this for the future when my turn evenyually comes.
Actually Mark has demonstrated himself quite capable of such errors. See the archives. Also, there are errors worth noting, and there is valuless nitpicking. Mark seems to have a hard time distinguishing between the two. Some of his intense focus on extrme literalism seems based on an assumption that readers are unable to think for themselves. Again, see the archives. Finally, his tone does seriously hamper his efforts to critique, as it causes many simply to discount or ignore his posts. That's a shame because I agree that he sometimes has something valuable to say.
I would agree. In the old days he would take this precision too far, quibbling with minutae, but he seems to have stopped. Besides, on one of the minutae posts, he picked up Jaeger as an adversary and eventually dispatched him. So I kind of enjoyed that one. He also once brought up a very interesting concept that I had previously thought about but had never seen anywhere in print-namely randomizing your play but at a ratio different from what Game Theory recommends. Presently he is fighting with Rick Nebiolo for sixth best 2+2 poster (You M still have to work your way back up to them after that Kelly Criterion fiasco where you thrice doubted me.)
I did not know I was that high before.
All right David, now that we know you actually keep track of this, you need to assuage our thirst for knowledge and post the list. I would suggest you create a link on the left hand frame of this page, and update it regularly, so we all know where we stand in your esteem.
Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) (Who's now worried that if he makes any mistakes, or even just slightly loose comments, his Sklansky ranking will slip a point or three; but, on the other hand, who worries that if he posts less often to avoid errors, his ranking will fall due to lack of posts; oh dear, what am I to do?)
I think you give Mr. Glover too much credit. Don't get me wrong I read every one of his posts and appreciate his sense of humor, but ranking him as the least fuzzy is, in my mind, a total disregard of the obvious. When it comes to posting about poker hands Jim Brier is without a doubt the most understandable, straight forward analyzer. Sure, some of the more advanced players might find Jim to be a bit predictable but show me one post where you had to try and figure out what he meant.
If I'm wrong about this then I misundertand your definition of fuzzy.
Fuzzy thinking. For instance Jim Brier may be the most readable hand poster but he may also be more likely to make a conceptual error than Mark Glover. For that matter I too might be more likely to make a conceptual error than Mark Glover. Even if not, Jim and I are good bets to be at least more likely to make some error than Mark Glover.
Below is a link to a thread in which Mark made a clear conceptual error. Or perhaps it was a reading comprehension error. Sometimes it's tough to tell one from the other, I suppose. I offer it only as an example of what has frustrated *me in dealing with Mark. I found it frustrating because in it he sounded quite confident, perhaps smug, in his initial assertions that it was I who missed the point. Ultimately, only through excruciatingly detailed explanation, was I able to get him to acknowledge that he had been mistaken. A pet peeve of mine is people asserting that they *know* something to be a fact when they don't. Of course that is nearly ubiquitous on the Net. (one more reason why I am becoming less ubiquitous on the Net)
I agree though that he doesn't make a lot of conceptual errors. But I'll bet you'd make as few or fewer if you stuck only to picking out less than fully explained comments from others and condescendingly asking "Can you see what might be wrong with that statement?"
More recently, I didn't read all his criticisms of the "Dummies" book, but noted, for example, his picking out as exaggeration the authors' inclusion of the words "if ever" in saying something like 'If you play as we suggest you'll rarely if ever be playing such hands.' I mean, sheesh; is this worthwhile use of anyone's time??
If Mark would stick to stuff that matters at least a little (as some of his points certainly do), I'd be the first to give him a nice shiny penny as a prize.
Sorry to sound sarcastic myself here. And I don't really like criticizing a poster in a thread in which he's not even involved. And I don't have anything personally against Mark. I'd probably like him as a friend. But I find trying to communicate with Mark on this forum a bit frustrating. Sorry. It's winter, and I'll just go back into hibernation now.
The thread is:
HPFAP "Heads-Up Versus Multiway" Error
Posted by: Mark Glover
Posted on: Sunday, 21 November 1999, at 10:28 a.m.
It's about half way down the page. Here's the link
Well, I will look at the thread. And I could be wrong--it's not like I've followed all of his threads, or even his most recent threads, very closely, with an eye to this. It is just an impression that occurred to me, and I hope I qualified it properly with words such as "lately" and "likely."
A nice shiny penny, huh? Somehow that actually sounds almost like a prize of some sort. Not bad.
But John:
You do have to admit that Mark Glover has the least fuzzy footnotes of any of the regular posters?
Heh. This is true, though few are competing for that distinction.
.
If you remember, I insisted (and as publisher I of course prevailed) that you add two footnotes to your manuscript. Why do you think your book has been so successful?
Hmmm, good point. Maybe we could publish just a collection of the footnotes? Sales might go through the roof!
You started it Bro. Pheeny's, Finney's, Fenny's, etc.
feen the bean rc
I think I've been transforumed.
Mason,
Actually, I think I suggested either parenthesis or a footnote for one part of John's book, which you apparently agreed to. Can't "Anonymous" have some credit? ;-}
Mason,
I never comment about posters' writing styles--unless they happen to write really well--and never point out errors in usage, syntax, spelling or other matters. (I did, however, one time, tell "scott" to lay off someone who used "irregardless" in a post. scott saw this usage as an effrontery, and I defended the writer.) But, Mark Glover uses a needlessly redundant footnote method. Easier, more readable styles exist, and Mark could use to learn one.
Sorry for the attack.
John
Is this true? I feel crushed and highly disappointed. Of course Mark could make ammends by getting to the McEvoy book.
"Is this true? "
Mason,
I know John Cole. It's true! Please be more careful in the future.
Vince
And I thought you loved me the best! Wah!
Vince
Well Vince I do have a special place in my heart for you. Also, your posting is extremely creative and highly interesting. However, one thing it is generally not is not fuzzy.
Come-on, Mark still has a hard time of seeing the big picture. Even I can find fault with most people's posts or writings. I could roast Sklansky alive on at least one of his books without a problem.
CV
I have not been following Mark Glover's posts closely until fairly recently (I did use the word "lately" in my post). Perhaps what you say may be true.
Which book? Are there more than one?
John F. said it best, "Some of his intense focus on extrme literalism seems based on an assumption that readers are unable to think for themselves."
The first book I'd hit would be "Sklansky Talks Blackjack". I'd then start twisting his words on strategy adjustments. I'm not talking about the known editing problems either.
CV
Time, Space and Energy does not permit a full accounting of Ricky's lies and broken promises, to both his family and the public(not to mention epochal failures lo these last three years); all the "I'm in this for the long haul"'s, "We've put roots down here"'s, "I won't join the Celtics if Larry Bird's not here"'s, etc. You will note that Ricardo has said the former two statements at every job he's ever held, before sneaking off.
Now we read that the Rickster, while still (delusionally)desirous of coaching in the NBA, will grudgingly accept a college post, as long as it's at a major school/big city campus. Hello, UNLV!
"Pitino's smoother than a gravy sandwich." - Butch from the Cape, on the JT the Brick show, Winter '99
BillM,
Had the priviledge of watching and observing Pitino in college at UMass. He was a jerk then and still is. Probably one of the most hated coaches of all time in the NBA. I could say more but the less said about him the better.
Goodbye Rick The ----
paul
Are there any casinos in the USA that allow persons under 21?
Yes, those run on Indian reservations
You can play poker in Montana if you are age 18 or above.
Three girls died and were brought to the gates of heaven. Upon entering the gate, they were halted by St. Peter and his obedient angel.
St. Peter asked the girls, "Before entering you must answer this simple question."
"Which is ...?", they replied in unison.
"Have you been a good girl?" he asked the first girl.
"Oh yes," she said. "I was a virgin before I got married and was still virgin even after I got married."
"Very good", said St. Peter. "Angel, give this girl...the golden key."
"Have you been a good girl?", he asked the second girl.
"Oh, quite good", she said. "I was a virgin before I got married but was not after I got married."
"Very good", said St. Peter. "Angel, give this girl... the silver key."
"Have you been a good girl?", he asked the third girl.
"Oh no, not at all", she said. "I practically have sex with every guy I met before and after I got married. Anywhere, anytime".
"Very good", said St. Peter. "Angel, give this girl..........my room key."
Actually, Lil' Bum's alright. Loyal(to a fault) to his boyz. But he badly botched the(admittedly very difficult) Flutie-Johnson QB situation, and there's no surer death sentence for a coach, in any sport, than an NFL QB controversy.
Wade'll be back; maybe w/the Browns?....
Bill-
Why are you looking for football coaches for examples of exemplary character? To be successful in this line of work, I think you have to have a real Machavellian make-up, almost as bad as politicians. You could just as well post Bill Clinton- Prince of a Man; Al Gore- Prince of a Man, or Trent Lott- Prince of a Man.
Fuzzy thinking on BillM- 10 yard penalty.
Upon further review, Michael 7 failed to note the first line of the original post, nor realize the 'setup' from the previous two "Prince" posts.
Flag is picked up; First Down!
(I'm not at all hoping to find much in any sports figure, BTW; Vermiel and Pitino just happen to particularly disgust me.)
!
LA Clippers,twelve points underdog to LA Lakers, win straight up by 23 points 118-95.
First, you need to at least play 20/40, if you don't just lie about it.
Second, never admit you are wrong, even if you know you maybe wrong.
Third, attack anyone who has the respect you want. You give yourself respect by taking it from them.
Just my observations.
CV
Lie about your win rate. For example, "I make 3 BB an hour in typical Vegas 15/30 games." This approach has also been used several times before.
lie about your winnings. Never admit to losing. Kiss Sklansky and Malmuth's respective behinds. Pay the street tax.
you sure are a weak minded Boris, why do you have a beef with Skalnsky and Malmuth. Your nothin more than a sissy dog buttons
You idiot.
What little respect I may have had was just sucked away by Jim.
CV
As I found out in junior high...respect is way over-rated..hehe
BE able to out-spout Suburban Poker Man, teach desire to be more courteuous (even tho her holdem game needs improvement)and have Ray Zee pay me for some hi-lo split 8 lessons, then I might get some respect
english major,
I know I'm not a pipe from which liquid is descharged. But to say I'm a...
spout, noun, 2 to speak or utter readily, volubly, an at length. b; to speak or utter in a pompous or oratorical manner...
Pleaseeeeee, stop making me look up definitions, I won't have time to post.
SPM,...able to see the beauty in a comas...
Dear SPM
Hope you have a dictionary cause the english major not only doesnt have one to lend.
See ya tomorrow...and point this guy out to me so I can box his pointy lil ears ...
What you need dearest is for me put you over my knee and spank that plump fanny of yours, women today are so liberal and bossy, and mainly horrible poker players with a few exceptions.
Anytime you feel froggy..jump.
It'd be the last fanny you'd have the privilege to spank..trust me on this.
you wrote:
"What little respect I may have had was just sucked away by Jim."
You've got it backwards, your reply to Jim's post gains you credibility in my eyes, as you were mature enough not to sucked into some kind of childish namecalling. I don't know what or who inpired you to start this thread although I would guess it was typical late teen, young adult frustration of some sort. I have read many of your posts and like how you think around a poker table. To learn your age only impressed me more as at your age I knew nothing about poker.
Not letting some post or poster put you off your game is akin to not going on tilt at the table. Don't do it, and always stay in control your emotions.
Keep working hard on your game and your opponents might have to learn the hard way to respect you.
Thanks for you comments Hillbilly.
I know Jim and am pretty sure he was messing with me.
CV
"only impressed me more as at your age I knew nothing about poker"
Chris is experiencing the same phenomenon.
JG
Thanks Chris.
Vince
Chris,
Who really cares what the other posters think about you. Keep posting. I don't care who the person is if I think they are wrong, I will argue with them until someone proves me wrong. Futhermore, they better back it up with hard facts, otherwise it's meaningless.
I find the "Academy Awards" of 2+2 about as interesting as discussing the implications of SAT scores and how they relate to poker prowess. You certainly have my respect and I believe many others respect you as well.
I do like discussing poker here, I've been doing it almost since the Forum was opened and I believe its the best place on the web to talk poker.
When it comes to people I respect on this forum my vote goes to the one's who check their egos at the door and rationally discuss the game.
Later, CV
I respect people who behave like adults, especially in the face of some of the juvenile provocation which sometimes abounds here.
Respect, get them to respect your raise first, then worry about 2+2. This will take time, and you will lose respect the first time they catch you speeding with an empty hand.
So respect is fleating, here one moment gone the next.
SPM,...respect starts with respecting yourself first...
sternutation • \ster-nyuh-TAY-shun\ • (noun)
: the act, fact, or noise of sneezing
If you here a sternutation at the poker table it could mean your opponet has a cold, an obvious tell that points towards calling all bets. Do you think Mike Caro will add this to his next book?
Vince
One student wrote in an essay, "I live in an antiseptic neighborhood." After imagining Elgin Sweepers equiped with Lysterene, I asked her to explain the use of the word "antiseptic." She said it's a synonym for boring. However, I couldn't imagine that boring=antiseptic. Instead, the student found a synonym for boring and then a synonym for that word which equaled "antiseptic." Without using Microsoft Word's thesuarus, complete the equation boring = __________ = antiseptic.
John
Sterile is my answer
a
I used to do alot of crossword puzzles. now I just play hold'em or sleep in my spare time.
hmmm... good one John.
Let's see, antiseptic is clean or germless or purified, boring is bland or uninteresting or "vince's stuff". Gee, I just can't seem to get there.
Boring = lifeless = antiseptic
Boring = I give up.
Vince
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n
Not bad for your first post, chicken dook.
vince
Come onnnnn, Vince. You can do much better than that. What's next: Yo Momma?
I was tryin to be nice, Dunc. I don't know why I even botherered with some obvious low self esteem chicken S*** (dook).
Vince
the charade is over fools
"Do you think Mike Caro will add this to his next book?"
It depends on whether it is a happy sound or a sad sound.
The Police Department of Any2Card Town has put an all points bulletin out for the Midnight Marauder. He is wanted for questioning concerning, blind steeling.
Last seen at Hollywood Casino, Aurora, IL, usually late at night. This clever bandit, disguised as a business man with a gambling problem, lurks within the felt jungle. His evil gaze scans the table for weak defenders of blinds. Then he attacks with relentless raises, devouring stacks of chips from his unsuccpecting victims.
Police intelligents reports he has opened a Doe Joo called, Your Blind Is Mine, in Boarder Town, located between the Valley of Patience and Any2card Town. Student enrollment has been alarming.
An informer called Deep Pockets. Heard from an unreliable source, that an unlawful wire tap recorded an argument between the Professor and the Midnight Marauder. The Professor was upset about the Marauder's disciples attacking the Professor's blinds.
The Mayor of A2CT, The SPM, has issued a blind alert for all players in Hollywood Casio County. Players are asked to defend their blinds with fearless aggression.
Should you be a victim of the Midnight Marauder or one of his disciples. The Mayor has made arrangements for trauma consulting, headed by Late Doctor B.F. Skinner.
In a statement to the 2+2 forum the Mayor of A2CT said, "The Marauder and his disciples can be stopped. Ask not why they steal your blinds, ask what are you going to do about it."
SPM,...defending the rights of players to defend their blinds...
SPM,
I too was a victim of the Midnight Marauders blind agression the past two evenings. I have tried humbly to beg him to not take advantage of us poor dumb soccer coaches and to pick on the better players but he refuses. He is truly ruthless and must be stopped. He is a truly exceptional player and always outplays me. He reads me like a book and always maximizes his return - I am so afraid to even play against him any more I am thinking of taking up a less expensive hobby such a $100 blackjack hands. Please oh please won't someone help us victims!! You would think a man of his means could find something more entertaining to do.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
take a seat change and get a couple seats to his right. That ought to slow him down for your blinds anyhow.
That or move to a softer game entirely. I can remember a few times when I was stuck a bit in a game and looked around the table and saw that while I wasn't the sucker at the table, the weak links were few and far between. Why butt heads with tough competition? I just got up and went to a one notch lower limit and got my money back pronto.
hillbilly,
We are happy that you have game selection opportunities. In the Mid West when they say seat open, you better take it or you can wait for a few hours to play in the correct game and correct seat.
Recreational Hold'em Junkies with jobs like us, are at the mercy of that femme fatale Ms Fate. We can't wait for no stinking seat.
The Midnight Maruder is a cross we have to bear.
SPM,...one of the many victims of the Marauder, excuse me, I'm late for an appointment with the late Dr. B.F. Skinner...
SPM
Yes the professor was in deep discussion with the Marauder in regards to blind stealing and was told by the Marauder in no uncertain terms that i would be targeted.Not only were the good players trying to steal my blinds but so were the bad players. In an unprecented move the professor defended with the 94s and won a big pot. However,this did'nt stop the Marauder and his followers they kept attacking and sadly the professor ran out of money and was forced to leave.In near desperation the professor asked the Chairman what he could do to stop this onslaught and his reply was to call every raise and go thruogh the money as fast as possible.He said it would make no difference to my game since i lose all the time anyway.Of course i thanked him and have now decided he was right.BTW i have taken up sports betting i hope my results will be better. Lar
Larry,
Please don't get involed with sports betting. You will get hooked and you can kiss your poker winnings good bye.
SPM,...Tight and Aggressive...
Hello All,
I have noticed a recent pattern in the 10/20, 15/30, and 20/40 games in which I play. The pattern is that the other players are being extremely nice to the other players and are trying to help out by giving free lessons. Most of the time these lessons/explanations come in the form of 1 liners and I found these to be so extremely valuable that I thought I would unselfishly share them with this forum. If you have any other Pearls of Wisdom to add this collection, please feel free to do so at your convenience.
NOTE: Spelling may look incorrect but is correct given the context of being an exact quote. I have also not credited the author of the quotes as to protect their identities - not all wish everyone to know they a professional poker players in the making.
Poker Pearls
"I know its coming thats why I bet"
"You gots Nuthing!!!"
"Malacha Slow Down!!"
"I told yous I was gonna win dis pot"
"I was in the big blind"
I always gots goot hand and last card f*%&ing kill me!"
AK no goot!! - Muy Mal!!"
"Oh - you did have an A, I thougt with 2 of them on board you were surely bluffing"
"You have 8 high - I think Bert will be taking it(the pot)"
"I told you always leave your chips in the rack and you win big pot next hand"
"Go S*%t"
"Nobody was raising so I knew they didnt have a K"
"I had top pair and flush draw and knew it would not hold"
"I like to call your raises because you always make big pots"
"I knew you were bluffing thats why I called you on the end with A high - I just didnt think you had a pair of 2's - I probably should have folded instead of calling but I knew you were bluffing"
"According to Bob Jones book - I should 3 bet suited connectors to isolate the raiser"
"I had open ended straight flush draw - I was a heavy favorite over your set"
"Wow - 4 sixes, I thought when you chekraised the button bettor on the turn with 5 other players you were trying to steal, thats why I checkraised you on the river when I made my J high flush"
and my all time favorite...
"REBUY!!!"
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Soccer Mike:
Were you wearing a wire when I spoke to you?
Frank Donnelly
Chairman,
I'm hurt, how could you leave out all my famous quotes at the table, during my many table lectures.
* The computer hand is the best starting hand in hold'em, it wins 80% of the time.
* Any two cards can win. It does not make any difference if you play big cards or small cards as long as you understand the concept of the flop. If you have little cards then you want a little card flop. If you have big cards you want a big card flop. Once you understand this concept the game is easy.
* When in doubt raise.
* Once you have a herd of chips, 15 stacks, the chips in the pot will always follow the herd. Any 2 will do, when the herd is on a rush.
* I can't beat you but I'll keep you honest. Always keep'em honest.
SPM,...big cards beat little cards and most people ain't bluffing...
Chairmann
I see you have been sitting at the table with me as i notice a few to many of my gems. As usual fine job. By the way i wonder if many of the forum are aware of you as are local celebrity, since not many players are pictured in poker digest you might want to pass that information out to your legion of followers.Lar
* Once you have a herd of chips, 15 stacks, the chips in the pot will always follow the herd. Any 2 will do, when the herd is on a rush.
Dear Suburban, You remember that hand with Low Blow..Mike had AKc and LB had 83c..flop came two clubs..capped..turn is a brick..capped..no club..river comes a three and LB bets out, cackling away. Takes it down with threes. Remember what Mike did? He stood up...consternation set like concrete on his face..went to the cage..bought fifteen hundred in chips and came back to the table without saying a word.
I laughed so hard tears were running down my face. Only Mike would react with, "Like my money.?? Here's a whole lot more for ya.."
(He walked with a bundle by the way...)
Great list but I just may have some things to add!
"Hi, nice day!"
"Do you know who won the Giants game?"
"Nice poker room, huh!"
"Are you local?" or "Do you live here?"
"I really like this dealer"
"What a country?"
"You play very solid?"
"Well, I've had enough for today, Goodnight".
And goodnight to you all too.
Vince
Sucker,
You never cease to amaze me. What about these:
- "COPY"
- "NO FLEE COD"
- "SHIP IT"
AND MY ALL TIME FAVORITE
- "HOW CAN YOU CALL A RAISE WITH THE NUT FLUSH DRAW?"
See you at work:)
"Rook"
"I was afraid you had a flush" says he as he calls my bet with 4 flush cards and wins the pot with a pair of jacks.
Mike,
Naturally, youve also forgotten one of my(our) favorite local pearls:
"GET IT FIXED"
See you on the rail,
Just another guppy in the shark tank of life....
What about the one I had to hear about for weeks on end:
"Try burning this flag"
One year ago, my roommate JamesH, our friend small caps scott, and I left Caltech in a white volvo driven by a mysterious character we had met on the internet.
...When we did not return that night, a rumor started circulating that we had been abducted by an internet pedophile known only as "The Poker"...The thought of us being gone broke many a young girl's heart, so extraordinary efforts were made to find us - going so far as to break into our room and find clues to our whereabouts...
Of course we all know that our abductor was no pedophile, but a harmless poker author - and we spent our weekend in the safe hands of John Feeney, Rick Nebiolo, Student, and Big John, familiar names in the cozy community of the forum one year ago...
One year ago I went to sleep knowing I was a winning poker player. In my first four hours of casino poker, I had made $26.50 at the Commerce Club.
Tonight, for the first time since that night, I will go to sleep knowing that again. After 558 hours of casino poker, I have made $10.50.
Perhaps I should say something useful in this post...
One year ago, I started playing casino poker. These are the things I've learned:
One year ago, I thought I'd be up $1K by now, but $10.50 is not bad - I'm super-sizing my extra value meal tomorrow...
~DjTj
Good post. It's refreshing to see some honesty about results. You certainly seem to be on the right track.
I'm super-sizing my extra value meal tomorrow...
Although you'll never get ahead if you keep spending your bankroll like that. :-)
David
I'm just pleased that I could contribute to that value meal in some small, suspicious way.
DjTj,
Given my nostalgia for the good old days of college, I'm glad I dropped you guys off at the curb in front of your dorm and didn't try to mooch an invite to check out what goes on in a dorm in the new millennium. Feeney at least looks respectable.
Regards,
Rick
PS: I think you would have an easier time beating the 3/6 holdem at San Manuel than the 2/4 games online.
I borrowed the title of this post from the well-known text written by David Sklansky. For no reason at all.
But you realize that as long as someone keeps adding to this thread (even irrelevant posts), the title of this post will repeat itself, until it overwhelms any evidence to the contrary...
EOM
* Fuzzy thinking, can it be corrected with drugs?
* Does this kind of thinking happen just before REM?
* Fuzzy Thinking, going to sleep with a cute stuffed animal called Fuzzy, the protector of bad beat nightmares?
SPM,...a taylor, helping with the thread...
We have excellent weather today. Really good weather. We expect more good weather tomorrow. If it's not tomorrow, it's the day after. If it's not the day after, it's the day after that. Don't bust my balls.
I'm arriving in Vegas ~5:30 on Thursday, leaving Sunday for WPC in Reno, there til Wednesday.
I'm going to play the $100 NLHE at The Orleans Friday night, go see Thin Lizzy Sat. night at Pink E's, and play in the $330 NLHE in Reno Monday.
I already have previously meet Jim Brier, Mason and David, and I'll be on the lookout for Vince at Bellagio.
I'll be the tall, goodlooking Armani guy, accompanied by an equally tall, Jennifer Connelly lookalike. I'll likely be playing in the top section of Bellagio. Come up and say hello.
OK, alright, to be honest, I wear mostly Versace, not Armani.. sheesh....
BillM,
I'll be at the WPC from Jan. 11th to the 15th. Drop me an e-mail if you want to meet for breakfast while you're there.
Good Luck
mah
I'm gonna play a supersatellite Sunday night. I'll be wearing a blue longsleeved "Snowbird" T-shirt. Look me up.
BillM,
I'll look for you in the snowbird tee, but if I don't happen to see you, leave a message for me at the Reno Hilton.
Mark Heide
pork barrel \PORK-ba-rul\ (noun)
: government projects or appropriations yielding rich patronage benefits
Free poker tournaments are just another example of the "pork barrel" mentality of Senator Paul Feeney. Or is that senor Paul Feeney. I get so mixed up. Maybe I meant you can always find Paul in a pork barrel. I guess he feels at home there.
Vince. BTW - This may be the last word for the day. I have the feeling that I'm cluttering up the forum with non interest material. I'm thinking about it. Comments. please.
Geez, get a life fella, your not that clever and witty as you think you are.
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"Geez, get a life fella, your not that clever and witty as you think you are"
What are you talking about? I hope you and your boy friend read poker opponents better than you read me.
Vince
Moron, if you are too stupid to figure out our post, I am not going to explain it to you. And the name used is actually a specific directive to you. Read the name again and think about it.--Neal and Bob--
You two are ripe for cheap shots yourselves. I'd rather associate with more positive types. And so does everyone else.
YOU think about it.
Neal and Bob,
Hey, Moron is my middle name. Did M tell you? BTW - I hope you sissy boys asked your parents if you could bob and weave each other before posting up with the big boyzzz. Your post is what is stupid and alas so am I for acknowledging such a wuss as you. However I do hope you get pleasure from your neal and bob game. Next time if you are nice I'll let you use my apple to play with.
Vince
Vince,
You're improving; it took two guys to tell you you ain't so hot this time. Pretty soon, you'll inspire a committee.
Look forward to your next sentence.
John
Last night I decided to stare at the screen for close to an hour. I was waiting for new posts to pop up in front of my eyes. But I never saw anything pop up. However, when I clicked to another screen and went back to the screen that I had been staring at, I saw new posts - and they were posted at the time during which I was staring. Do you people ever see a new post pop in front of your eyes or are you like me, who has never seen a new post pop up despite staring for a long time?
An hour may seem like a long time but it may not really be all that statistically significant. You need to collect data for longer periods of time. Hope this helps.
Damn, M. That's just plain wicked. :-)
David
P.S. Poker Veteran, new posts will appear if you hit your "Reload" or "Refresh" button.
I'm going to try staring at the screen for 3 hours to see if new posts do pop up in front of my eyes. On a related subject, do the lights inside the refrigerator go off when you close the refs door or do they stay on? I think they go off.
I know a few players who when the hand is over, they stare at their losing hand for a while. Do you think they are hoping for a new board to "pop up?"
.
Mason: they are hopelessly looking for something that never existed, always that same dejected dissapointed look on their faces.
"Last night I decided to stare at the screen for close to an hour."
PV,
This is strictly amazing for I did the same thing! How can that be? Two PV's (I'm Poker Vince) straing at the screen for close to an hour on the same evenning. Interesting to say the least.
"I was waiting for new posts to pop up in front of my eyes. But I never saw anything pop up"
Well PV this is where we differed. I wasn't waiting and staring for new posts to pop up. What I was staring at actually did cause a "pop up" but it wasn't on the screen.
"However, when I clicked to another screen and went back to the screen that I had been staring at, I saw new posts - and they were posted at the time during which I was staring."
Now this did happen to me also. I was playing with my "pop up" and switched screens back to 2 + 2 and there were new posts where there weren't before I went to the screen that caused my "pop up". Amazing! Do you think we were on at the same time?
"Do you people ever see a new post pop in front of your eyes or are you like me, who has never seen a new post pop up despite staring for a long time?"
Well, although I've never seen a new post pop up on the screen right before my eyes I have felt a "pop up" right between my fingers on occaison while staring at the screen. Of course it wasn't a 2 + 2 forum screen. But other than that I think the similarities in our experiences are extrodinary. Do you think we are psychic or have ESP or something?
Vince
LOL
Did you know playing with your pop-up can cause blindness? Put on some UV protection.
I really hate to now post a serious response to this ... go ahead, Vince, I deserve my fate.
PV, while you're staring, try clicking your "Refresh" or "Reload" button on your browser. Those new posts will pop right up. (Vince can insert punch line here).
Dick
Dick, this is also a response to David Klatte's post. Everytime I press "refresh", it just takes me back to the 2+2 homepage. Oh well, seeing new posts pop up is not that important anyway. And the refrigerator lights do go off when you close the fridge.
Hey PV, I bet you didn't know that if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear that it makes a sound. Ray Zee told me that. It seems he is always not around the Montana forest where he lives when trees fall but he hears them anyway. I like Ray Zee. He's very smart.
Vince
He hears it inside his head. All that time spent alone in the wilderness can have hallucinatory effects. The next time Ray visits civilization, he should consider scheduling a session or two with either John Feeney or Alan Schoonmaker. They can use all that money.
nt
It means dont quit your day job, especially when you can't cut the mustard playing poker.
Thinking of my upcoming Las Vegas trip and imagining a perfect evening. "A trip report in advance", maybe.
Walked out onto Fremont Street after a poker session at the Horseshoe. That room is SO much nicer since they went smokeless.
Had a relaxing CAT bus ride to the strip. Very quiet---no pushing, yelling, or rude people.
Got to the Bellagio poker room at 9pm on Friday night expecting to wait for a seat. But there were no lists for hold'em. One seat was open at each level. Took a 15-30 seat that had just been vacated by Vince Lepore. There were about 9 empty racks under the chair along with his copy of "How To Beat Baccarrat". Jim Brier was at the table---playing real loose. Seeing every flop and playing every hand as usual. At the other end of the table Roy Cooke was explaining about the "recurring sum of something plus something else_ _ _". No one understood. Mason then walked through the room---laughing, talking, and telling funny stories.
The 15-30 game was no good. I was even after an hour, so I quit, got my free buffet comp, and left.
Don't spoil my trip by saying that these things won't happen. Be there this weekend.
Abe
Abe,
Have a nice trip. Take a cab, forget about the bus. Watch what you eat so you don't get food poisoning, and give the Megabucks slot a try if you want a chance at some real money.
Thanks mah,
Go get 'em in Reno.
And don't win ALL the money at Harrahs-East Chicago. Save some of it for me next month.
nmsg
"Be there this weekend. "
Me too. I'll see your 9 racks and raise you ten!
Vince
Either the NLHE @ Orleans Fri Night, or Thurs night a Bellagio ~11pm?
I will be at Bellagio's. I heard the name BillM paged this evenning at Bellagio's. Was that you?
Vince
No. Won't be there til Thurs. night.
Doesn't a perfect Vegas evening have to include a little - how shall we say? - "hanky panky"?
I am very disappointed in G Dubya. He has totally left Linda Chavez out to dry with this Guatamalen flap. One of the things that really bothered me about Clinton is that he would abandon his cabinet appointments if there was any sort of controversy. It appears now that Dubya is following the same chickenshit strategy. I still prefer Dubya to Gore but this is really disappointing.
I hear you, but she did probably break the letter of the law. It also sounds as if she misled the FBI during her questioning. GW has bigger fish to fry (John Ashcroft) and needs to save his power as the libs are out to get anyone who is right of center.
I just wonder whether they will pursue the "politics of personal destruction" as vigorously against Christine Whitman who committed a much moreserios illegal alien offense, but has more palatable political views.
But Michael, any time you nominate someone for a cabinet post they are going to be dragged through the ringer by the press and by congress. It is a chief executive's responsibility to stand by those people who make the sacrifice. Linda Chavez's transgression was morally commendable, as guatemala was a typical Central American shit hole at the time, and at most was a legal pecadillo. John Ashcroft, while he might have a squeaky clean rap sheet, really does have some answering to do for his highly divisive political views as well as some past backstabbing. I don't know if he will be nominated but I think it is correct to question the possible Attorney General about past politics as the office should at least have the appearance of not being strongly partisan.
They will pursue a policy that shows as much repect to W as the Republicans showed Bill CLinton,which is zero. Isn't payback a bitch?(I predict Bush will be impeached for election fraud if the Democrats take the house in 2002).
Or is it see simply a tight conservative,mother of three.
Bush's abandonment of Chavez is politically weak. He only tabbed her a week ago, and she had never spoken publicly on the issue. Confirmation hearings hadn't even begun. From a political perspective, you have to at least make Ted Kennedy and his ilk formulate and verbalize their questions (objections) to this woman's putative charitable acts for an immigrant (illegal or otherwise). Moreover, by jumping ship early Bush has galvanized the liberal forces -- allowing them to claim victory without ever having to put themselves in the public view. Now, they have momentum (and evidence of Bush's lack of intestinal fortitude) in their challenge to Ashcroft. Mistake #1 in the Bush administration.
I think you are missing something beneath the surface as the Bush folks woulod acknowledge all of your points. My suspicion is that Chavez tried to influence a witness and mislead Bush and the FBI investigators. Pretty tough for the GOP to defend her after coming down on Clinton and some of his guys (Cisneros) for the same offenses.
The simple truth is that the Bushes are crooks that expect to have their way no matter what. Mr.Bush will be unhappily surprised if he thinks that his coup in Florida will equate to bipartisan Bush worship. He'll have to call out the army to truly have his way. Many more errors and scandalous drug revelations are on the way!
What the hell are Americans about when someone can be so afraid of vilification [possibly leading to a prosecution?] for committing a simple act of human decency that the country has to forgo their public service. How can we be so committed to partisan agenda that we dismiss basic concepts of right and wrong?
I would like to see attenuation of this pettiness. You're right: small minded people are capable of big mistakes.
"disappointed"?
man! you voted for this moron with stars in your eyes, anticipating strong, vibrant leadership?
four years of mind numbing disappointment to go.
"In a departure from U.S. arena tours of major rock acts, U2 will open the entire floor of its North American shows to "general admission" tickets for $45 per person, accounting for nearly half the tickets sold for each performance. Reserved seating will be available for $85, with a limited amount of "golden-circle" seating at $130 per ticket."
"With no seats on the floor, these shows are going to be very exciting," the band's manager, Paul McGuinness, said in a statement. "The fans and the band are going to be really close. Nearly half the house will be at the lower ticket price and some of those tickets, the ones on the floor, will be the very best in the house."
Yeah, that Who concert in Cincinnati in '82 was REAL exciting; so was the AC/DC concert in SLC in '92 and the Pearl Jam show in Denmark last summer.
Of course, if things start getting rowdy, they can just begin playing stuff off of "Pop"; should work like a charm.
I'll say they've lost their minds.
They're going to play CALGARY and not Edmonton on the tour! Oh well, Styx is coming to town. Nice B circuit we're on here.
U2 has not lost their minds. I have been to shows by Rage Against the Machine and M&M where the floor was all general admission. There were no problems at these shows so there definitely will be no problems at a wussy U2 concert. Besides, do think that many people really care about U2 anymore?
What's even crazier is the fact that thousands of people will actually pay 45$ or more to hear a rock and roll band.
Dark side of the Moon album was #No.1 on the charts for about five years, of course you siblings wouldnt know of such band."the WHO" Roger Daltry and company&&&& LED ZEPPLIN,Or maybe some ELP(emerson,lake,and palmer)Tarkus or Pictures at Exibition or how about some" King Crimsom".These are some of CDs I listen at when on the holdem table during long stretches of random trash.
This particular Irish band has been making hits for almost 20 years. I think that's consider "lasting" in the record industry.
Of course, I'm biased. I think U2 is one of the greatest bands ever. Right up there with REM and the Beatles.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Well Greg, this is one of the first times I've read one of your posts and been able to say: I think you're wrong. I've always thought U2 to be self-centered, egotistical, condescending and musically uninteresting. I don't think anyone's in danger of being trampled, except bum rushing the EXITS.
Just one man's opinion. . .
Shooter is right. U2 is the most overrated rock band since the Doors.
And I wish Boner would realize that even though you are "ironically" acting like a jackass, you are acting like a jackass nonetheless. I have more respect for unironic, jackass rock stars like the Gallagher brothers and Gene Simmons than I do for pompous, "intellectual", make the world a better place but still date supermodels, mediocrities such as U2.
The Doors is the best hands down. If it wasn't for Morrison buying the farm at the his prime the Doors still be rocckin the charts today.
Yeah, like the Rolling Stones, a joke to anyone under the age of 40 at this point. Frank Zappa put it best when he said "I don't think the world will end in fire or ice. I think it'll be either nostalgia or paperwork"
Frank did have a way with words, didn't he? Anybody that could dream up titles such as "Weasels Ripped my Flesh", or "Burnt Weenie Sandwiches" gets my respect.
Musical genius, and probably a better businessman than he was a guitar player.
I'm not a Frank Zappa expert, but I understand that as a child he was a borderline musical prodigy. It's very possible that his life was sort of sidetracked by the hip phenomenon. That happened a lot three and a half decades ago.
Zappa was a great guitar player (e.g. "Orange County" wah-wah truck from Weasels, the entire Shut Up series, the Hot Rats solos, etc etc etc.) He always downplayed his ability with the instrument. Perhaps he was not modest, he was strict on matters of musical ability.
As to being a good businessman, I agree that he tried (and succeded) in getting ripped-off less than the rest of rock musicians & composers by the assorted scum circling the music biz pond - like managers, agents, publishers, distributors. That's about it, no filthy riches were made (or could be made) from his output. Everyone knows he could have written AM hits in his sleep, if he wanted to, but he kept saying he didn't look good with one glove...
More power to Frank; when he died, his family was well taken care of.
IMO Liam is unironic, Noel is playing a sort of ironic double-bluff.
All depends what level you're thinking at :-)
Andy.
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Since U2 are all straight, I think that thread must be from a Scot or English guy using the word "fag" to refer to a cigarette. Still doesn't make much sense, though.
TREASOn
histrionic \hiss-tree-AH-nick\ (adjective)
1 : deliberately affected : theatrical
2 : of or relating to actors, acting, or the theater.
From what Jim Brier tells me, Rick Nebiolo performs his histrionic act each time he sits at the poker table. Pretending to be a loose, aggressive, rich movie mogul. I guess those pretty boys just can't avoid showing off in front of even a small audience. Hollywood does that to some people.
Vince
Um,”…rich, movie mogul”. Let me see if this fits the picture. I cut my hair with a Flowbee, wear either button down shirts or polo shirts with khakis or jeans (i.e., preppy look), have one pair of dirty and torn $30 sneakers, wear sunglasses I got on sale from Big 5 Sporting Goods for about $25 bucks, could use liposuction on my chin if I could afford it, wear no jewelry whatsoever, have a nice watch but not one I have to worry about someone hitting me over the head for, and I occasionally forget to zip up my fly. I do tuck my shirt outside my underwear and inside my pants and keep the button seam lined up with the seam on the fly of my pants. The movie moguls are careful about that.
Vince, I think you are seriously misinformed.
Regards,
Rick
"I occasionally forget to zip up my fly."
Rick,
Never miss a chance to bragg, now do you?
vince
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Hello All,
In following with the Poker Pearls Thread I posted earlier in the week, here is the list of potential chapters in a new book I have been considering. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I TILT - How to get there before you enter the casino
II THE TRIFECTA CHECKRAISE - How to lose 3 bets or more every round
III THE NUTZ - How to recognize who has them and bet right into them
IV MACHINE PLAY - How to choose the right ATM and get the highest return
V REBUY PERIOD - The finer points and subtleties of buying the rack
VI LOADED WEAPONS - The best and fastest way to find out if you are the only one at the table who does not own a gun
VII TRINKETS - Good luck charms and spells and what they mean to your game
VIII STACKING METHODS - Tall stacks, short stacks, and my all time favorite, no stacks!
IX BUTTON PLAY - How to avoid getting the "missed straddle button"
X SETUPS - How to slow the hourly burn rate to under 17 big bets
XI ODDS - Truly understanding the 50% concept that either you get there or you don't
XII EXPANDED ODDS - Getting there and losing more money than you ever thought possible
XIII TILT ODDS - Raising 2-3 offsuit utg and putting the whole table on tilt
XIV BAD BEATS - The best most secret places to look for someone who actually gives a S&%!
Just some thoughts...
Michael D (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Funny stuff. I particularly liked chapter titles 1,2,4,7,8,and 12.
Very good Mr. Chairman, I LOL! Thanks I needed that.
SPM,...working on the hourly rate...
Any 2+2ers care to get together? I would love to meet some of the regular posters, even if it's across the poker table.
Send me email by 2 or 3 pm tomorrow. Also my cell will work in vegas: 510-333-9219.
If you don't contact me, then just be aware that the blond guy across the table on tilt raising you with JTs might be me, and you wouldn't even know!
natedogg
good luck nate, hope you book some big wins. Don't play against 2+2'ers though, find a soft game! :o)
I'll be there ~9-10 pm. I think Vince will already be playing. I'm also going to play the NLHE tourney at The Orleans Fri.
Just look for the guy with the Jennifer Connelly double(wearing a Snowbird T-shirt... :) ).
I Played yesterday with a group of rough riders from Border Town. Border Town is located between the Valley of Patience (VoP) and Any2card Town (A2CT). You will find players in BT from all walks of life. Lawyers, Doctors, architect, salesmen, restaurant owners, to name a few, the list is very long.
The residents of BT have long ago given up the quest to live in the VoP. They all know how to play like the rocks of the Valley. However, they make a conscious effort to play a different kind of game. It's the preferred style of play used by the residents of BT.
They play a mix of two card starting hands. The list of the two card starting hands is beyond the scope of this post. Mostly because the starting hands are all picked by their emotional state of mind at the moment.
BT players live stressful lives away from the poker table. Usually they are successful at their day jobs, and have mixed results at the poker table. They know the difference between a VoP hand and a A2CT card hand. What makes these players dangerous is not their patience or the power of their pre-flop hands. It is their ability to play correctly after the flop. Sometimes it is their ability to hang tough till the river, where they catch the miracle card. Hey they are from BT and the residents of BT love smashing rocks. Smashing rocks, is their way of passing on the stress of their day jobs, to the rocks and semi-rocks at the poker table.
Here is an example of BT play. The SPM raises with pocket Kings from late position, five players take the flop. The flop was rags and everyone called the SPM's bet. The turn, the SPM still in the lead and they are still calling. The river is an Ace, all check. A BT player turns over AQ, the SPM scans the flop and turn, nothing there for him to draw to, except and Ace. And now you know why the SPM is stressed.
SPM,...beat on the river, too many times, by players from BT...
I'm thinking that these players from Boarder Town are result of people from any2card town and Valley of Patience getting together and starting a family.
"Rook"
Isn't this dangerously close to inbreeding?
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"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law."—Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000
"They misunderestimated me."—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
--as the Grinch would say"Wrong oh!
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no thead here stupid!!
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conceited ass's no put their comments
If you do, I don't mean to ridicule you. But your writing is hard to follow.
If you do, I don't mean to ridicule you. But your sanctimonious ass rebuttals snobility rehtoric has grown quit tedious lately. Funny I seem to run into alot of highheaded, conceited if you may pompous ass holdem players of your lot, smuggish looks until I check raise your ass in the most untimely way, then while your steamin me rakin dem toke-sters I'll look you staight in the eye and wink and say aint "life a motherf*****"
. . . for medical science to help.
G.W. Bush was asked what he thought of the Row versus Wade decision?
He said, "it was a tough decision for General Washington, to roe or wade over the Delaware."
SPM,...fuzzy thinking again...
N/t
Do any of the Phoenix area casinos host hold'em or omaha/8 tournaments? Any during the week? What would the buy-in be? Thanks for any help. I might actually try to play this year when I am down in AZ in April (but I said that last year, too!). :)
Jon I.
I recommend CardPlayer.com, and go to their tournament listing. It is the same as that found in the back of the magazine, and it lists most of the local weekly events at all cardrooms around the country.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
The Card Player listings will give you an idea of what's being offered, but call ahead to make sure. I have seen the CP listing for the AZ casinos keep showing events that I know are no longer run, for months.
Casino AZ is so full that they are not running any tournaments, except for whenever they run the next heads-up one. Gila River still has the 2 big $55 buy-in + unl. $50 rebuy hold'em tourneys on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, I think - Tuesday is Limit and Wednesday is No-Limit.
I believe Fort McDowell runs lots of tourneys, but I don't keep up with them.
Casino AZ poker room: 480-850-7723
Gila River poker room: 800-WIN-GILA x7822
Fort McDowell main no: 800-THE-FORT
Dick
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David and I are scheduled to da a Question and Answer Session at The Mirage on April 20, 2001 at 3:00 pm. It should last 90 minutes. (Note: The first limit hold 'em tournament at the WSOP is the next day.) We will be posting more information in the near future.
ALso, The Mirage does have a poker rate. As of now you need to contact The Mirage Poker Room for that information.
When you say "The Mirage does have a poker rate", does that mean there will be a fee to attend the seminar?
The Question and Answer session will be free.
Ben,
The Mirage has a rate on rooms for the weekend for poker players. It is $119 per night and you need to play eight hours per day (if there are two players staying in a room then four hours apiece is enough).
The number to call is (800) 77-POKER. I talked to Heather in the Poker Room Office and was able to make a reservation. She did indicate that play at the Bellagio does not count towards the eight hours per day (they are jointly owned, aren't they?).
If anyone knows of better deals let me know via email or a subsequent post. We are only interested in staying at the Bellagio or Mirage. It's been a few years since I've been to Las Vegas and I'm ready for the high rent district, but I don't like the high rent :-).
Regards,
Rick
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Re: Orleans Poker Rate Posted By: Paul Feeney Date: Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 7:58 a.m. In Response To: Re: Air Info from (SD&Ont) to LV (Rick Nebiolo)
Rick,
Poker Rates are $65 per nite at the Orleans on weekends. You must play 3 hours a day to qualify. Vince is right about the shuttle and the smoke factor is less there than anywhere on the strip IMO.
Paul
Rick you could play 3 hrs/day before breakfast if your like me. If you already saw this then just disregard maybe someone else will want it.
Paul,
The prop job I just left started at 7:00 a.m. in the morning. I do play three hours before breakfast!
Rick
After I drove back to LV in October from LA, I noticed a very nice overpass off the Summerlin Parkway that seemed unoccupied. Nice part of town, but no shuttle to the Strip.
Come on! Loosen up, Rick, my boy. It's WSOP time, all the boys will be in town. No time to go Low Rent.
Mason,
The Q&A session is probably going to be standing room only. How about coming up with a way of insuring 2 + 2 posters get in or is the place going to be large enough to hold a big crowd! Also what are the chances of having some books availabe for purchase and autograph? Wholesale prices of course!
Vince
BTW - I will autograph your books for the other 2 + 2 posters. I'm sure they would like that.
Vince:
We will be posting more information on this site about the Question and Answer Session in the near future.
Donna Harris, Poker Room Manager at The Mirage has asked that those who plan to attend let us know. When we post the information we will include a way that forum participants can inform us that they intend to attend. This will give Donna an idea as to how large a room we will need. (Again, there will be no charge for the session.)
I just recently started reading the Internet Poker forum. Work is really getting slow and I'm pretty lazy. Anyways, I think its pretty funny how many of people suffering bad beats attribute this to some kind of hacker conspiracy or non-random dealing algorithm. Hahaha. They should play in our wild-ass California games. I know there is a dealer/fish conspiracy going on here against poker geniuses like myself. Just havn't been able to figure it out.
The wildest games are in northern Calif. Been known to play in the no-limit at Artichoke Joes, maniac heaven.
for those of you going to Vegas, or anywhere for that matter, I found a pretty good website for cheap airfare. www.qixo.com
nn
They quoted RT Fort Lauderdale/Memphis (25 mi from Tunica, MS) $107. Previous cheapest I'd found was $177, a 40% savings. However, make your lodging arrangements
After being beaten and battered senseless by the Border Town gang on Tuesday, the SPM returned to Hollywood Casino County. He was back and had a plan, take no prisoners. This was going to be a raid, get in quick, capture some chips and run at the first sign of danager.
The game was eight handed and SPM saw opportunity knocking. In the first 45 minutes of play, the raid was a success, up 4 stacks. Ding! End of round one, time for dinner.
The Epic Buffet, where food looks like food but does not always taste like food. But the SPM has always liked institutionalized food. Soooo with his shattered taste buds, the Epic Buffet is just like, Mom's cooking. My mom, rest her soul, couldn't boil water.
Back to the raid, the game was still short handed and the cards after dinner were less than poetic. The SPM, saw his starting card selection beginning to deteriorate. Up only three stacks, and danger signals were going off in the SPM's head.
More ridiculous starting hands! Then the short handedness of the game, becomes the reason to play less than par starting hands. Up only two stacks, the SPM's alarm systems is on full alert, Leave The Casino NOW! Failure to leave now will self destruct your bank roll. Leave The Casino NOW! Leave The Casino NOW! Leave The Casino NOW! SPM no longer in the casino...
SPM,...you must respond to your alarm system...
My alarm system is easy. I give myself exactly 12 minutes to be cashed out and eastbound on 88 at the first sighting of the Chairman, Marauder or Professor. It's worked well for me...
Be on the look out for the Marauder's disciples, he opened a Doo Joe in Border Town, they are ruthless blind stealers.
I got your e-mail but I didn't remember the hand. Plus your level one, and two thinking is far beyound where I am in my game. I'm still on hand selections from the correct position. The SPM, spends too much time protecting the rights of players to play any2cards from any position.
SPM,...it's a thankless job...
SPM,
I too need an alarm system, not sure how to find the right one for playing 2-3 offsuit in the small blind and getting there on the river when the flop comes A89. I won the hand but the dang alarm never went off telling me to fold.
Just some thoughts...
Still wonder how I get so much action when I raise :)-
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
SPM
Well i'm glad you guys have alarm systems,because i have none. I think the chairman has one but i think it only goes off when he has bad cards and then he plays like he has pocket AA and wins the hand. As far as Kevin(Einstein) is concerned who needs an alarm system when you never lose. Folks this guy is not only a great card player he is a genius to boot, God help all of you that play against him.Many of you on this forum are probably figuring out that these are all guys i play against and now realize why i never win.I have taken up sports betting with very bad results so far so now i'm going to try my hand at craps.My good friend the Marauder said he knows of no-one who has ever beaten craps in the 20 years he has been playing it so it sounds like the right game for me.Well i have to go now my bookie just called and wants to know if i'm going to continue betting the Bulls the rest of the season. Lar
I told you to stay away from sports betting. Do you have a death wish for your money. Craps is a game I love, it to should be band from all casino's you can't beat the house. Get back to poker, if your on a losing streak, that's ok your poker buddies could use the money.
SPM,...never play against the house...
Is it possible that there are some clueless players who actually believe your table talk about being the sucker. This would encourage them to stay with you to the river. So I guess your verbal game plan is working.
SPM,...just some fuzzy thinking...
Dear Michael,
So true...how you get action when you raise is beyond me. You squeeze a nickel so tightly the buffalo groans. It's like every dollar you bet is your last one. heh See ya soon :)
I suspect Dunc Mills is on some kind of controlled substance. At least, that is my pre-explanation for his story of me allegedly playing A2o in a preflop capped pot. Maybe I should have just paid the $5 he offered to take in exchange for a promise not to post about it and ridicule my play.
Cmon Dunc...those guys didn't have a clue about hold'em, they were all just so mad that I made them stop playing omaha hi lo for one hand.
David "I called the game, so I have to play the hand!"
I wasn't going to do this, but you asked for it. I should move it over to the Small Stakes section, but we're here now.
I drop into Baccarat casino here in Edmonton after work last night for a couple of hours before my 9 p.m. curling game. The game is 4-8 Dealer's Choice, with the game of choice Omaha/8 virtually all the time. Raising Rudy is in full flight in the #2 seat, pounding back the double rum & cokes, and raising at virtually every opportunity. I'm in Seat #3. Rudy of course eventually goes bust, and Dave plops his cherubic little butt into Rudy's seat. When the button comes around to Dave, and it's his choice of game, he goes for the change of pace and call HE. Now most of these guys are there for the O/8 action, but will put up with the odd HE hand at a minor inconvenience.
Well, on the hand in question, I forget the exact # of players, but there were a couple of limpers, a late position raise, a coldcaller, and Dave coldcalls on the button. I muck, flop comes down A-2-2, rag on the turn, Dave gets in a raise, still at least a couple of people in. THEN on the river, they check to him, and he doesn't even bet his shack made with the quality holding of As-2c. Or was it the Ac-2s? I'd say you bet the river like a little girl, but that would be an insult to the little girls.
So, I'm staring at this trash while Dave scoops in this nice pot, and I jokingly tell him that for $5, I won't post the hand on the forum, even anonymously, and subject him to the taunts and flames. But, it seems like a deathwish, so have at him, boys.
And while we're at it, Dave, please keep on calling pre-flop in O/8 with quality like 8-8-6-4, and T-9-8-7 ("but it was double suited!") I'm heading for LV in a month and need the extra cash. As bad as those guys are, you had better order Ray Zee's book.
Out.
I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't exactly an experienced omaha hi lo player ("I have this for high and I have a bunch of low cards..??"). The fact that I left ahead only proves what I once read: casino poker is the easiest thing in the world: the dealer tells you when its your turn, what your options are, and at the end, you turn over your cards and he tells you if you win.
And for the holdem hand, it was 3 limpers, a late position raise, I call the raise ("I chose the game, I have to play!"), it gets reraised by the big blind, capped by the original raiser, and then I flop a full house...my check on the river was just guilt over playing such a silly hand to begin with.
David "From the constituency of A4CT"
I will be in San Diego for several days in March. Please give some suggestions as to the best local cardrooms for low/medium limit hold'em action as well as an opinion of the rooms themselves (smoking, cleanliness, friendliness, etc.). Thanks.
If you can, try to make it up to Oceans 11 in Oceanside. They spread 3-6, 4-8 kill, 8-16 kill, and 20-40. Friendly staff, very clean, and excellent food.
I just got back from Viejas Casino. The poker room is non-smoking, but you only have to walk like 20 feet for a smoke break if you want. More importantly, the 8-16 game is absolutely live as fuck. The games I was in featured several loose passive players and the rest of the other players were pretty bad too. I think Viejas is like 30 miles from San Diego and they usually have two 8-16w/kill games going and I'm sure the other games are easy too if you are interested. Good luck on your trip.
I had a wonderful deal with the Moonlight Kid that was destroyed by two knuckle heads at the table. It's the old I'll give you a red bird when I win, you give me one when you win.
Okay, so the Moonlight Kid plays more hands than I do, and he wins more pots than I do. I guess these two knuckle heads are the bad deal police. They told the kid that I had the best of the deal. So when I come back from dinner the Moonlight Kid says the deals off you don't play any hands.
SPM,...foiled again...
No matter your politics - this is rather funny!
THE KENNEBUNKPORT HILLBILLY (to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies theme song)
Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and hishead was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he drove all about. Butthat didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out.
DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up.
Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale. He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. And that's when he learns how to snort line of coke.
Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.
The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. Kinfolks say, "George, stay at home with Mom. Let the common people get maimed and scarred. We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard."
Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.
Twenty years later George gets a little bored. He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. He says, "Now the White House is the place I wanna be." So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.
Come November 7, the election ran late. Kinfolks said "Jeb, give the boy your state! Don't let those colored folks get into the polls." So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.
Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade.
Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in. Told all the voters "Hey, we want George to win." "Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation. And that's how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.
Y'all come vote now. Ya hear.
I like it! But it sounds a little Clintonesque to me or maybe Goreish is a better desciption.
Vince
ROFLMAO!! Thanks for sharing, SPM...your posts always bring a smile to my face..see ya soon
does this mean you didn't vote for the poor bugger.
Since I live such a fascinating (NOT!) and busy life, I don't have much time for watching sports. If I do it is usually MNF or the NBA and the Lakers have been the only game in town while the Clipper's have always been worse than pathetic.
Recently there has been some good buzz in the sports pages about the Clippers. Anyway, Wednesday night I turned on the tube and sure enough the Clippers were playing Denver. I must say this team is a lot of fun to watch. They have a legitimate superstar in Lamar Odom (an alumnus of my school URI) and a lot of young kids with tremendous talent and potential. They play with the intensity of a college team that made the final four.
So forget about watching Shaq missing free throws, Robert Horry getting pushed around underneath, Kobe thinking Kobe first, second and third, I'm now rooting for the Clippers. Too bad they don't have Jerry Buss (great guy and good poker player considering) as an owner.
Regards,
Rick
I've watched the Clippers play the Lakers twice this year. The first time Shaq fouled out and Kobe was ejected. The Clippers blew a pretty big lead and should have won the game. The second time the Clippers won easily. Odom had a huge game and Shaq was clanking the rim at crunch time as usual. Piatkowski played well in both games for the Clippers. Earl Boikens is a fun player to watch too. I agree the Clippers are definitely fun to watch this year.
They're fun to bet too,23-12-1 ATS 65.7% the best ATS record in NBA this year.
La Lakers is 12-21-1 ATS 36.4% second worst behind Washington Wizard 13-23-1 ATS 36.1%.
smithereens \smih-dhuh-REENZ\ (noun)
: fragments, bits
Fossilmans dreams were blasted to smih-dhuh-Reenz (smithereens) during the recent WPF at Foxwoods. Oh, pooh!
Vince
Of course 3rd ain't bad!
Commensurate adjective Etymology: Latin, commensuratus
Com*men*su*rate: Equal in measure or extent; proportionate in size, extent, amount or degree
Usage: the strength of some posters' opinions on various topics is not always commensurate with the depth of their knowledge or experience on the topic.
Further General Usage: We, as poker players, hope to play against those who are convinced that they know far more than they actually do about the the game; we hope to play against those whose opinions exceed their knowledge; whose understanding is not commensurate with the strength of their convictions.
You M, in my opinion are a miserable Com*men*su*rate for im*men*su*rating with my men*su*rating which is not com*men*su*rate with im*pre*g*nating a rabid sheep on Ray Zee's farm!! So there!
Vince.
Vince,
Your posts attract response like lightning to a lightning rod. You must expect such because you often post in a slightly incendiary manner. Besides, one of your stated goals is to stimulate discussion and you generally succeed at this most marvelously. So what if someone like me picks up on or picks on a few things. Find errors in my posts--they surely do exist. I however cannot emulate your shining creativity and free associations, so I am confined to the duller role of just trying to understand things and sometimes expounding on things as I see them. The only person on either 2+2 or RGP whose posts have a more lightning-rod-like quality than yours is of course Badger. He generally attracts whole thunderstorms.
Besides, I respect you and your talents or I wouldn't be trying to help you see how you can improve. You are one of the Few, the Proud, the Improvable. Don't prove me wrong and please take any fun I poke as being meant from the bottom of my heart as a goad for you to leap forward. I can take it as well as dish it out so don't worry. You are the Vince and you will eventually be vindicated. Mark these words from the great M and keep forging ahead and having fun and the Day Of The Vince will come.
The last winner of the triple crown was euthanised today due to laminitis , the same disease that claimed Secretariat. His rivalry with Alydar was perhaps the best in racing history. a link with some good info about the great horse is..
http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com/gallery/affirmd.htm
I'm going to be in San Francisco next month, can anyone offer advice on good cardrooms in that area, I think I'll be staying up toward Redwood City.
Thanks.
Redwood city is a great place to be for poker. Bay101, Artichoke Joe's and Lucky Chances are all within 25 minutes during non-rush hour traffic. Do not attempt to commute during rush hour. If you are comfortable playing 10-20 and below I would recommend Artichoke Joe's. Both Bay101 and LC's have good action at higher limits with LC's spreading 20-40 and 40-80 and Bay101 spreading 15-30 and 30-60.
also Bay 101, Garden city spread 20-200 holdem largest bet permitted in San Jose, 200 bucks a pop.
this is really helpful, thanks. I like to play stud in the neighborhood of $5-10 +/- , is one of these places better than another on that front, it sounds like Artichoke Joe's?
Also, where can you play up around Heavenly Ski area and thereabouts?
Thanks.
Lucky Chances in Colma has a lot more stud games than Artichoke Joe's. It might be a little farther from Redwood City, but not much. www.luckychances.com There's a thread about this in another forum, I think the General Hold'em
the secret: a poker machine; but it's more complicated(and expensive) in limit form than no limit
what is the frequency, Scalf?
I have been reading for months over at RGP. I honestly have not once learned a single poker concept or idea on that site. Is it just me?
RGP is an unmanaged collection of random thoughts and ideas which range from poker concepts to posts for the sexually befuddled and everything in between. It is simply appalling that so many poker writers praise rgp to the heavens and think so highly of it.
Jim,
It is useful for news such as when something about poker is on the Discovery Channel. When I have time I check it out the flame wars for laughs. Kenneth Ng usually has something interesting to say about the clubs. Abdul used to do some good stuff but has been quiet lately. Tome Weideman is always worth reading. Then there are some good thinkers over there and I'm glad to see some like Sean Duffy are now posting here. I'd like to see Carson post here if he could stick to poker and forget about his war with Mason.
I'm amazed that David waste so much time talking about SAT scores and defending the status of JT suited versus KT suited. I also wonder why he can write long posts over there and sticks to two or three line posts here. Does he have some voice recognition software that only works for newsgroups?
BTW, that thread about the 88 on the button after three limpers and a cutoff raise is insane (check out the mid limit forum if you have time).
Anyway, hope to see you at the seminar.
Regards,
Rick
I also wonder why he can write long posts over there and sticks to two or three line posts here.
He knows he's preaching to the choir here.
Although those of us with miserable borrowed moth-eaten robes could often use a few extra words of wisdom. :-)
David "I never learned a darn thing from RGP either" Klatte
. . . on the 2+2 community.
"I'm amazed that David waste so much time writ[ing] long posts [at rec.gambling.poker] and sticks to two or three line posts here. Does he have some voice recognition software that only works for newsgroups?"
I second that emotion. Why does he do that?? .
An obvious attempt to reach out to a new audience while taking the "proselytized" for granted.
And how should the prositalicized ..prozalized ..proselytisized - (shit) the suckers here respond?
In absence of an organized union, each on his own.
I'm amazed at all the poker writers that praise rgp as well. It is so obvious that it is a useless sight especially compared to this one. Yet I have never heard anyone poker writer praise this site. Why do you think this is?
I think of RGP as more of a gossipy site than a place to go for technical advice, I haven't learned a single thing from there either. But I have to admit it's kinda fun to watch Badger fight with just about everybody.
backdoor,
I too find it hard to get anything out of. I usually go over once a week and look for Omaha threads, those are usually informative for me. They do have some people over there that are very knowledgeable about poker, but go off on tangents that never come back to the subject.
paul
thanks to rgp I found 2+2 and I haven't been back to rgp since! Have a nice weekend all you rounders!
Fuck RGP
Kenneth NG did a great job of contrasting the 9-18 Hustler game to the 10-20 Hollywood Park game. There's lots of good information about different cardrooms and games at RGP. Don't see much of that here.
Of course, I might change my mind if anyone can tell me where I can rent a nice hotel or corporate apartment, full kitchen, pool, exercise room, for less than $2500 per month in the LA area...
Brett,
Kenneth is a great poster. So is Tad Perry who wrote a good one today. And for cardroom news, RGP is the nuts.
Regards,
Rick
PS: Where did you get those apartment prices? Typical two bedroom is about $1000 a month in a half decent area (not on the beach ;-) ).
xxxx
Not when you want it fully furnished and only plan to stay for a month or two.
That you always get a wise-assed remarked from a maniac sort, 3BetBrett is probably because of a uncontrollable urge to raise on a whim not because you want to isolate the raiser or buy the button. Rick Nebiolo I respect, at this site, but you? Besides I like to view RGP "eyes only" and form my own opinion.
I think you'll be right at home at rgp, so let me help you: Type "News:rec.gambling.poker" without the quotation marks in your browser and click on go. If that's too hard, find the favorite links category in the green column on your left and scroll down to rgp.
Also I like to see what David Sklansky been saying over there.
Everyone knows that I have done my very best to lead a grass roots poker content revolution over at RGP. But the results haven't been too spectacular. When I first descended upon RGP, there was an average of 2 (out of the 25 most current threads) that had to do with poker strategy and tactics. Now it's up to 4 out of 25. An improvement, but still pathetic. I also have, thru example, tried to encourage the posters there to try their darned best to exhibit more integrity, honor, intelligence, and decency in their language and behavior - to no avail. So far, RGP is indeed a wasteland devoid of the ideal character traits that radiate from my very being. But I will never give up. God be my witness, I will never give up. I have great faith that my dream that there will eventually be an abundance of poker content over at RGP will come true. Come what may.
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Some of the stuff Abdul has posted to RGP is phenominal, and there are several other posters who's posts you should read. In addition to the people Rick mentioned, Daniel Negreanu posts some good stuff there, and both the WSOP and TOC champions from 2000 were RGPers. Jesus doesn't post much these days, but Spencer Sun posts pretty frequently.
It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges to compare RGP with this board. For starters, a Usenet group is going to contain a lot more traffic, and have a lower signal:noise ratio. I would recommend you get a good newsreader, like Agent, and learn to browse through the headers quickly, or use the filters to help you navigate more readily.
-Sean
Nine hours of play Friday at the East Chicago Harrah's Casino in Indiana. The SPM was ready for some weekend action. The one hour trip to the casino gave our celebrity an opportunity to review his game plan Tight & Aggressive. "Drive faster!" Said the speed demon in the head of our hero.
Harrah's Casino is a boat with boarding times, you call a head and reserve a seat. Then you must be on the boat and in the poker room no later than 15 minutes after boarding. If your not there on time your name is erased from the line up list. SPM erased, missed the dead line by five minutes, no seat for the action junkie. Busted, by the tardy police.
This idle time is dangerous for an action junkie, the gambling tables cry out to your emotions. SPM, come to the craps table, the voice whispers. No, says the SPM, but this could be your lucky day, the voice persists. NO! NO! NO! The battle in our celebrities head was relentless.
Finally a seat in the 1-5 seven card stud game opened, the emotionally charged SPM ran to the stud table, he had resisted the call of the senseless gambling tables where you play against the house, who always has the edge.
The key words to this post are (emotionally charged). When you are in an emotional state of mind you usually will play like the folks from Border Town. A rough group who make decision from deep within their own emotions.
Playing stud, then moving on to 4-8 hold'em and finally 10-20 hold'em. By that time the SPM, was playing on the edge of his emotions tho he didn't know it at the time.
Pocket QQ snaped, pocket KK snaped, AK, AK, AK, all snaped off by some ridiculous hand. You don't want to know about all of the hands, there were many more. By then it was too late to save our local celebrity. He was playing from Border Town. Hand selection now came form the pit of the SPM's emotions.
What can you do with a broken heart, raise with rags then raise with a group one hand, random selection with no rhyme or reason. What hand gets played is now up to the emotional tiger in your head. Finally the end looked near, the SPM went all in with AJ off, he was six stacks down.By the river all the SPM had was ace high. WINNER! What ace high wins? Emotions are hot now, the SPM says there is a poker god and he likes me.
SPM went all in three times and went home a winner. Now that's the good news. The bad news is, playing from Border Town is not the way to poker heaven. So it looks like today I will need to take a pilgrimage to the three big rocks in the Valley of Patience. They are as you know, Patience, Power, Position.
SPM,...luck is a lovely lady, but you can't count on her for the long run...
SPM,
Back in the saddle again??
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
This post is fairly worthless but I found this amusing so maybe you will too. I'm sitting in a live (as usual) 8-16 @ Hawaiian Gardens when this monkey who doesn't have a clue about playing ggod poker claimed that he knew what I had. Actually I think I am just pointing out that a lot of times these losers in the game just take wild guesses rather then read hands. Anyway here's what happened: I raise under the gun 3 callers button 3 bets we all call. Flop: KQ3 rainbow I check, button bets, I fold Turn: 9 I say to myself "oh shit" (am listening to my headphones so I didn't realize that anybody heard me) The lady next to me says "what did you have?" I whispered to her what I had, she said "oh geez, too bad you didn't call". Everybody heard her say that to me. Well it should be fairly obvious what my hand was to you guys reading this but you know what the live player said he "knew" I held..... J,10 !!!!!!!!!!!! He was so certain of it which was what made it extra amusing. Obviously there is no way in hell I could have J10 based on my pre flop and flop play. Just goes to show that these people don't actually read hands but rather they just guess and only take into account like one or two factors and base conclusions on that. These people are such idiots it makes me laugh. Told you this was a dumb post, but it was really amusing at the time.
By the way I am lucky that the button didn't slowplay because he flopped a set of kings.
I probably would have just limped with pocket 9's with your table lineup, but thats just me (weak tight, and probably wrong :o)
Yeah, I think raising was wishful thinking that I could thin the field. A limp would have been more in order that particular time.
Could I prevail upon the gentlemen in the group to take the time and trouble to list their favorite cologne?
I need to buy a gift for a most distinguished person and I am in a bit of a quandry. My favorites so far are Boucheron, Obsession for men and Karl Lagerfeld.
Thanks in advance.
(If you scratch like a dog and don't bathe for days on end..and your idea of a good dinner is a $4.95 buffet because not only do you get lots to eat but you can skip out without tipping , you can pass this post cause I don't wanna even think about what you must smell like.)
I heard that a cologne named after Mike Tyson is due for release. I'm not sure when though. Hope this helps.
Hugo Boss is pretty nifty.
:=)
bmbm
:-)
Mt. Everest
Real men don't smell (bad) or use cologne I have many bottles I have never opened that were given to me well meaning presents - I may once and a while use an after shave.
My idea of a nice classy present is say a gold cross pen or set. Something I will use every day and every time I use it I will think about the classy person who gave it to me.
Hope this heps.
thats pretty funny. every once in a while a woman will tell me i smell good (and ask what cologne) and i tell her i dont use perfume :)
brad
p.s. i shower every day and wear clean clothes and brush my teeth, but i dont watch TV.
Don't buy him cologne. Most men don't wear it, then you will be mad at him for no reason. I'm 49 and still have the hai karate and brut in my closet from girls when I was a young adult. (plus 10 more from my kids along the years.)
ps. Men don't mind practical gifts.
Desire,
If you are going along the cologne theme, try looking at John Paul Gaultier.
Just a thought...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
I'd never wear cologne. My favorite gifts have been books and fly fishing stuff. Best gifts are those that can be useful. By the way, my wife would never wear perfume, but she will put on a 40 lb backback and hike into the backcountry. I'm trying to raise my daughters the same way.
You can raise your daughters to be physically fit and still enjoy the exotic aroma of a scented perfumed body. I don't see how one activity would cancel out the other.
My husband and I have a construction business and I am frequently on muddy debris-strewn job sites. Still that doesnt negate me from wearing perfume.
You'd be surprised by how many women and men enjoy adorning their skin with exotic oils and sprays for their own enjoyment and pleasure. I feel better when I am wearing a favorite perfume. And when my husband leans over to kiss me and I can smell the faint hint of his cologne, I still get butterflies in my stomach.
Point taken. As a matter of fact my youngest is attending a formal dance next week and last summer she spent 7 days backpacking. Iwant them to enjoy both.
I just don't want them to grow up believing that they stink, or their hair isn;t right, or they need the latest fashion. I want them to feel good about themselves and not to be at the mercy of the advertisers.
Besides here in Montana we can't wear any purdy smelling stuff, draws too many flies and bears.
Dear Ed..Point well taken..hehe
None of my friends or myself would go out to a bar or nightclub without a little somethin' somethin' splashed on for the honeys. I guess the younger, hipper male generation is more into fashion and looks than you old hippies. While many of the foggies might not give a flying f**k what we like, those hot little college girls dig it, just fine with me.....
My favorite happens to be CoolWater. Nautica is a close second.
I'm sure you and your right hand are very happy together along with the newspaper which is all you are bringing home after a night with all the hotties.
LOL -
1) I'm lefty and yes we are happy together. Very happy.
2) I don't read the newspaper, that's for you foggies. Today we have what is called an "INTERNET" for all your up to the minute news interests.
3) My girlfriend gets really pissed off when I bring home the hotties, so I try to go to thier apartments/dorms/sorrority house.
Don't hate the player. Hate the game.
LOL - I haven't purchased a newspaper for over 6 years.
Go flog your ageism some where else.
:-)
Adolph Bush-lover
Desire:
Most importantly, why not buy one of the colognes that you prefer. I have always considered perfumes and colognes to be a two person gift.
Anyway, my favorite is Aramis. Give it a try.
Anyone ever play in the advertised no limit game at the stratosphere with $1 and $2 blinds and a $100 minimum buy-in? Thinking of checking it out when I visit Vegas and I was wondering if the competition is tough (locals) or a bunch of tourists? Any advice appreciated.
I know a player who has came there 2 months ago The minimum buyin is 50$ , not 100$ . I don't know if the competion is hard , I haven't asked him , but even if I ask him , this player is very loose , so his observations won't be usefull ...
nt
Jeff,
You should come visit us. The buy-in is $50, not $100. The game is quite soft; there are s few good players, but it is possibly the best low limit gambling opportunity in town. I hope to see you soon.
Randy Refeld Tower poker room
Thanks for the info. Does the game go every night or just friday and saturday? Long waits to get in?
Jeff,
The game goes on Sun, Wed, and Fri. If you are there when the game starts there is no problem getting a seat (it take about 30 mins to fill) but sometimes peopel have had to wait as long as 4 hours if they weren't there when the games started.
Randy Refeld Tower poker room
Sorry for the stupid question, but is the Tower poker room in the Strat, or is it another place entirely?
Mr Phat Mack
It's on the main casino floor next to the sports book deli.
Good Luck
Howard
"It's on the main casino floor next to the sports book deli. "
Do they serve GIANT sandwiches?
Danny
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I was there in October. It was a Friday night and it started during the NL tourney. Unfortunately that night it only lasted a few hours. I played when I busted out of the tourney and really enjoyed it. I was fortunate to double up with KK so my views may be biased. There seemed to be 4 or 5 locals and 4 or 5 tourists. Most players had $200 in front of them.
I am sure I will try it again the next time I am in Vegas.
Ken
Does anyone know where can I buy world series of poker videos?
Binions gift shop for one. They will ship them to you for a modest charge.
consistently spread, that is, and preferably $15-30 and higher. Stud/8 mixed with Omaha/8 suits me fine too. Thanks guys, sucker
Trop and Taj in Atlantic City spread these games consistantly.
I'll be spending the next semester abroad in Sydney, Australia. Anyone have advice on where to play around there?
Good luck in finding a game. They only have one casino in Sydney and there is no poker there. The casino is not a bad place, owned by Rupert Murdoch who has put a few bucks into it, but when I was there in November there was no poker. Blackjack also has some wierd rules which of course favour the house.
You will have to find a private game somewhere. I asked the same questions about six months ago and someone e-mailed me about a private game they have. Unfortunately my girlfriend wouldn't let me go play while we were on vacation.
Who would you like to see as a guest speaker April 20th at the Mirage?
My #1 pick: Abdul Jalib
My #1 is Mark Glover but I can't go there, have to work to pay bills and buy diapers. I like to see photo of posters here so I don't have to sit in the same poker table, they're too good.
Me.
Not because I have anything to say, but because then I'd be there for the rest of the session.
I am stuck with my present plans, that don't get me in town until after 9PM that evening.
Sigh, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Actually, anyone who comes can be a guess speaker. Just ask lots of questions.
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Hi!
Hello All,
This is post is in regards to the mild confusion regarding my stance last night at the 10-20 holdem game at Hollywood Casino in Aurora, Illinois. I wish to explain myself to the other players who visit this forum as well as solicit input from the forum on my actions.
We basically had 9 out of 10 players (without a list) who wanted to change the 10-20 game to 15-30. All players agreed except 1 who wanted to keep the game at the 10-20 limit. The house rule is if 1 person objects, the game remains. Over the next period of time, a few of the players kept harassing him and pressuring him to change. This guys never says a word, always is a gentleman, and is a genuinely nice guy. He stated once that he did not wish to change the limit but that did not seem to be enough for some who really wanted to change - I was somewhat pissed off by this and me being me - basically told the players who were badgering him to cut it out - but they kept on with him still. I then informed the dealer and the table that I did not wish to change the limit. This pretty much put an end to it but I was left with a pretty bad taste over the whole ordeal.
Shortly after, he got sick of the constant asking and said we could change the game soon enough because he was leaving. He had gotten on a $1400 + rush and then left the game. He was not the type of player anyone would want to drive out of the game yet they succeeded.
The players who were harassing him, with the exception of 1, were stuck and pissed. The thing I find most ironic is that in the past, they themselves have been in games where they have objected to a limit increase. The only reason I objected was to help take some heat off this guy. After he left, the table wanted to change to 15-30 - I informed the dealer that I objected to 15-30 but would agree to anything 20-40 or higher. My logic was if they wanted to put others in a position where they had to play a limit that was uncomfortable for them, then I would return the favor to them. At this point, one of the only other 2 solid players at the table objected - I too think he was sick of the BS that had been going on. I appreciate his support in this. I informed the table of the nights the higer limits were spread as feature games and invited them to join us. I kinda doubt any of them will show up. One of them said that 20-40 or higher was not fair to some of the players because they may not have enough money for it. I said I understood this concept and then asked him if maybe he thought it was possible that this was the reason the guy who had left did not want to play 15-30 instead of 10-20. His reply was that there was not any difference between 10-20 and 15-30. I just let it go at that. The game remained at 10-20 for the rest of the evening.
Any thoughts on how I how I handled this, all comments welcome.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
This is one of the reasons I quit playing at Aurora. Too many assholes and so little time. Life is way to short to spend it with guys who make my skin crawl.
Of course lack game selection is the real reason I don't come there any more but a lot of the guys are butt wipes in a lot of ways.
Mike
i find it funny you say that rounder when thats exactly the way you were acting in the pokerpages tourney on sunday
bossman
Rounder,
Thanks for the repsonse - and you are correct - there are some people of questionable character in the room -no doubt - however, from my experience, I find that there are good and bad people wherever one goes - it is just a question of how one approaches the situation and with what kind of attitude that makes the difference between a positive experience and a negative experience.
I was not posting to implicate the players at Hollywood or any other casino as I truly feel most are genuinely good people - I was just a little dismayed at the actions of a few yesterday evening. I apologize if my post caused any confusion.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
On the other hand, their badgering of this player may have merit...
Assuming they had a good edge in the game they may figure to make more money by raising the stakes even at the risk of alienating this one player, and playing 8 handed. If he's not a regular, they might not care what he thinks. I'm not saying it's right, but some people are all about money. OR....
How about all 8 players breaking the game only to come back and request a 15-30 list?
I'm playing the devil's advocate because I think it's absurd to have 9 players NOT be able to play what they want because of one player. There was no list for 10-20 right? As rude as these players were, had I been the one player, I would have either succumbed or immediately left when it became apparent I was preventing 9 others from playing what they wanted.
Kevin
Sometimes a room will refuse to change a game even when EVERY player in it wants to change it. If a rooms customers expect that a certain game will be going at a certain time is it right to change that game to a game that is not normally spread in that room?
Randy Refeld
Yep Randy, You hit the proverbial nail on the head. The guy that runs this poker room is, IMHO, a great card room manager...making the room non-smoking because 85% of the players requested it even though he himself is a smoker. He will protect his 10-20 game because, as you stated, that is what the majority of regular players expect to see spread when they come there. So until he can be assured that his room can sustain a 15-30 game on a regular basis, he will not opt to allow them to force a higher game on an established player by quitting and then requesting he spread the 15-30. And to tell you the truth, I am not convinced that Hollywood can carry a 15-30 HE in place of the 10-20 HE every day. I would much rather play 15-30 and will continue to request they spread it. But I am not an every day player there and so I yield to the majority of regulars there. It falls on their shoulders to get higher limits spread and then keep those games fed.
I was not confussed, but I am now...
SPM,...cornfussed...
The house rules state that it takes a unanimous vote to change the limits for an existing game. The regulars know this. I feel it was WRONG for them to continue and beat a dead horse at the expense of the lone objector (We often go through a similar situation regarding the straddle button). I suspect that with many, playing higher is as much of an ego thing as it is a genuine desire to have the game changed. Hence, they are either oblivious, or even get a perverse kick out of making a lone objector feel bad.
That said, I'm not sure how I feel about this "unanimous" house rule. On the one hand, it seems a little silly that 9 players who genuinely want to play 15-30, cannot have this game spread on the account of 1 lone player who does not.
I think this problem is one that stems from the exhorbinant rake in our area which creates an extreme lack of game selection. Rightly or wrongly, this particular cardroom's manager is very skilled at protecting HIS players. He realizes that many of the regulars cannot afford higher limits (whether this affordablity is a lack of $$$ or skill for a particular stake is irrevelant). Even if they could, the extreme rake would eventually take them out of action. This would kill the room. So he makes the rules biased toward the lower limit regulars. So, like I said, it seems to me this whole problem stems from too high of a rake, since I can't believe that a metropolitan area the size of Chicago, could not support more high limit games.
As far as your actions are concerned, I see nothing wrong with them, although I'm unsure what you were looking for in terms of outcome. If it was to punish the smart asses, then mission accomplished? But since you no doubt held a very lucrative edge, wouldn't you have been better off just playing the higher limit and letting it go? I have learned long ago that some people just can't help themselves when it comes to making an action player feel bad, whether it's making them feel bad about their play or not wanting a higher limit. Like I said, it's an ego thing and it's doubtfull they can be educated so I don't even try. That you tried is commendable, but they just don't get it and probably never will - IMO.
Kevin
Chairman
I think you handled this fine. However,in light of the house rule i think it's ashame to see the players badgering the one player that doesn't want to change the limit. The guy generally feels like a heel when he objects and feels like he is the bad guy at the table because he is ruining everyones fun. In your case they succeded in driving off a player you want in the game isn't that counterproductive? I think the straddle button falls into the same category. If one person objects the other players always mention who the objecter is which makes the guy feel like a jerk.Rounder made some rather critical comments in regards to the players at Hollywood which i feel were unjustified. Sure we have are share of jerks but so does every cardroom in the country.However, most of the players that we play against are good people who behave in a courteous manner. I could name you quite a few people that play in my game who play with class,the chairman,Kevin,JoeK,Drew,Desire,Marauder,SPM,So,I could go on an on but i am sure you get the drift.Lar
Marry me, Larry...
Oh wait..I am already..gimme a few short weeks, k?
"Mary, have you seen the rat poison? It seems it's not there on the shelf."
"No dear, I haven't the slightest clue. Now drink some of this delicious cloudy hot tea and then it's time for your nappypoo."
heh..they can't fry me as long as Governor Ryan is in office.
Dear Michael,
As you know, I wasn't there. But I do believe that the established rules of the game are non-negotiable. It is Hollywoods rule that an established player may object to a game change. The only thing I can think of is that the other players thought he was waivering and could be persuaded to change his mind. I do believe that Hollywood could sustain a 15-30 game quite comfortably and wish they would spread it more often. This case in point only undescores that opinion. But as to your behavior, I think you were wholly justified in reacting the way you conveyed it. I think the constant badgering would be detrimental to the game and therefore, by you adding your dissent, you may have quelled the others from continuing to change this one player's mind. So if he wasn't gonna change his mind, you did the right thing by making the change a moot point. See ya soon :}~~
Michael -- Seems to me that you acted honorably. Beyond that I have just a few random comments about this kind of situation generally. I've seen the same or similar problems many times.
From the point of view of the objector: I can recall a few times, when I was playing smaller limits, when I was the one who objected to raising the limits. (There is, btw, a logical, EV related argument in favor of objecting. Mike Caro has written about it. But that's not my focus here.) Over time, though, I decided that such objections might not be in my long term best interest. This is because, as I started moving up the limits, I started to see that I was going to want increasingly higher limits available to me as time went on. All in all, I felt that raising the limits whenever most of the players wanted it would probably help things move in this direction. It *might not, but at least it would get local players used to the idea of higher limits. Some ceiling would have been pierced. So I decided not to object. If the higher limit was too much of a stretch for me, I'd just opt not to play anymore that day in the interest of helping to establish higher limits which might then be there for me when my bankroll was bigger. I still feel pretty much that way. Believe me, not having limits as high as you want in your area can be far more frustrating over time than having to quit a session early one day.
Note that I'm not saying anything about the player in your situation. He's obviously a purely recreational player who was free to object and did so. Also, it sounds like you have bigger games on certain days anyway. I'm just offering some thoughts for more serious players who may find themselves wondering whether they should object in this spot.
From the point of view of those wanting to raise the limit: When the house has the rule you describe it creates a frustrating situation with no satisfying answer. Everyone is forced to play lower than they want to, just to appease one player. I don't like that, but the player is acting within the rules. And it's insensitive and rude to keep pushing a player who has genuine reasons for not wanting to raise the limit - as in the situations you describe. Makes me wish the rule was different. On the other hand, the house doesn't want to lose a customer as a result of forcing that player out of the game. (Might they risk losing more customers by frustrating all the others?) Tough spot.
On such occasions (or when several higher limit players are playing in a smaller game, such that the house doesn't want to start a bigger game for fear of breaking the smaller one) I've sometimes wished all the higher limit players would just get up and refuse to play until the bigger game was started. But just try getting a bunch of players to act in such an organized way. Also, the house might just stand firm and sacrifice even the smaller game in the interest of maintaining control.
Anyone have an idea for a workable alternative house rule?
btw, I'm not clear on the rake factor brought up by Kevin J. Is the rake much bigger in a bigger game there?
this situation comes up all the time where I play. The house rule is that if 2 people object they will not change the limit. If only one person objects then they will raise the limit. This seems like a reasonable rule and I've never seen any hissy fits as a result.
Come to think of it, I believe that was the rule at a room where I used to play. It does seem a bit better than the one player version.
John-
I completely agree with your philosophy. You make some excellent points. Are you sure you don't play in this room? You have an eerie feel for how things work there (management maintaining control, etc.).
The rake is 10% up to $5. In addition to the rake the room has to battle an Illinois law which limits the number of gaming position a casino may have. It's not unusual to have to close down a poker game because the rest of the casino is too busy. This all adds up to destroying the market for legal poker. This is why I feel like a kid in a candy store whenever I go to Tunica or Vegas where the card rooms can be run right.
Kevin
On 2 contenents and 5 states. Hollywood is the worst by far. It is the worst run room I have ever played in.
It is a good location to build a card room. Someone ought to try it.
I'd rather not play poker than endure the Chicago poker experience it sux.
I'm going to Iowa on Friday - it's worth a 4 hour drive to me.
Can't wait to get back out west.
John,
Your points are well made I generally agree with them. Although I was just rereading Roy Cookes book and I came acroos a section where he talks about a great 20-40 game that gets increased to 30-60 and everyone tightens up and the game breaks an hour later. While I do not think this would have happend last night, it brought up a good point that I will definitely be more aware of in the future.
As far as what Kevin said about my wanting to play higher with these guys, he is correct. I would have loved to have played as high as my bankroll would have allowed with this lineup. I guess the reason I brought it up is that I am just a little on edge about players who THINK they are good trying to berate players, push them into a straddle button or higher limits, or giving lessons on how to play. I have been playing in this room since it opened and not one other person in the game at this time last night had been playing for more than 18 months. The way some acted though, was out of line. I guess I am just a little sensitive right now to people running out players you want in a game - kinda sick of seeing it and listening to it. I am sure not taking up a pilgrimage on this but I was just curious to see if this was happening elsewhere.
I am all in favor of our room spreading higher limits on a regular basis and as often as I play I would appreciate it. However, I also recognize that most of the current crop of players would not be able to last long at any limit 20-40 or higher and we would have to find others to keep this game afloat. I am sure it can be done but will probably not happen given managements current approach. Hard to argue with management though as room is almost always to capacity and new players are coming in daily.
Thanks for everyones responses.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D.)
Just want to make sure it's clear... I can totally understand why you felt and reacted the way you did in that particular situation.
Great Job Chairman,
Defending the right of the odd man out. There's hope for the future of poker. No, means No...
SPM,...just some thoughts.. :-)
"I want it to be said that the Bush administration was a results-oriented administration, because I believe the results of focusing our attention and energy on teaching children to read and having an education system that's responsive to the child and to the parents, as opposed to mired in a system that refuses to change, will make America what we want it to be—a more literate country and a hopefuller country."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 11, 2001
The man is borderline illiterate. I guess the people that voted for him are too.
I don't know much about Bush, his intellect or lack thereof.
However, pulling out quotes like this is meaningless when it comes to measuring intelligence or knowledge of English.
If you walk around and record everything that anyone says, you will find numerous mistakes. It is just about impossible to avoid. Being a lawyer, I've read quite a few transcripts of court hearings and depositions. The number of poorly worded sentences and poorly chosen words is amazing.
Record yourself someday, and listen to it. You'll find you're not as "literate" as you think.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
P.S. - I didn't vote for Bush, and this is not a defense of him, per se. It is simply an effort to point out that these quote things, as an attempt to discredit or disparage someone, are basically a logical fallacy. M can provide us the name of the fallacy, maybe.
It is true that it is far easier to write well than it is to speak well extemporaneously, and even writing well, for most, requires review and revision.
I am not sure what logical fallacy might best decribe the above argument as it stands (of course the writer could further qualify and elaborate, thereby avoiding fallacy). As usual, I have spent far more time playing than studying. You might say that it does involve an inductive fallacy: 'hasty generalization' or 'unrepresentative sample'---but as to your point that poor speech is common and not necessarily indicative of illiteracy, you appear to be saying that somewhat poor speech is largely irrelevant as a measure of literacy. Depending on degree this may well be so. I do know that my own speech is quite far from error-free.
'Hopefuller' does sound pretty bad, though.
Mark,
Quite right; the writer of the post uses a small sample--one quote--and then draws a generalization. Even more to the point, though, is the non sequitur. Because Bush makes a mistake in speech, it does not follow that he is illiterate.
I think, though, both father and son use the same speech writer: both men used the word "conflagration" to mean "a war or battle." Father Bush used this word often during the Gulf War. Word of the Day, perhaps?
John
PS.
From a court transcript:
Lawyer: How many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
Medical Examiner: All of my autopsies have been on dead people.
Yes, Greg's point was essentially that it appeared to be a non sequitur because poor speech does not necessarily indicate illiteracy. I couldn't place the type of non sequitur, though.
John,
In a very broad sense, aren't most fallacies also non sequiturs of some sort, in that the statement or the conclusion/point does not necessarily follow from the premises?
Mark,
Broadly defined, perhaps. But an example of a fallacy that has a more precise definition might be "post hoc propter ergo est," if I remember my Latin correctly. An example is you walk under a ladder and later in the day you drive into another car.
Also, begging the question doesn't quite seem to fall into the category. An example: Dirty people should be avoided because they are unclean.
John
The sad part of this charade has been the selling of a fake image to the American public. The man is clearly challenged.
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." ....George W. Bush, Jr.
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"Welcome to Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"Mars is essentially in the same orbit...Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 8/11/94
"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/15/95
"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 5/22/98
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 12/6/93
"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 11/30/96
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"The future will be better tomorrow." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/21/97
"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr. to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"Public speaking is very easy." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr. to reporters in 10/9
"I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican" ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr
"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA,my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame. ....George W. Bush, Jr.
"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 5/20/96
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/22/97
"For NASA, space is still a high priority." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/5/93
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/18/95
"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that George Bush may or may not make." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
^
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http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp
A large number of these howlers were made by Dan Quayle. I have the evidence for that, having been a subscriber to the whole Quayle Quarterly series back then when (and, no, I'm not parting with any issue!)
Cyrus,
Let's see; one family member with the Dan Quayle Quarterly and another with the selected works of "Anonymous." Collectors take note.
John
I came upon at least one of those statements on the Dan Quayle fan page (great stuff):
http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/
ONe of Johnny Smart's quotes is "stupid is,stupid does, Forrest Gump his favorite idol and mentor a simpleton with room temprature I.Q. Your sissy illiterate fits are quite annoying.
Learn to study and pratice your holdem game 'cuase it sure needs improvement ...lay off the" marginal hand" political bashing.
.
"I guess the people that voted for him (Bush) are too" (referring to being borderline illiterate) Where did you get that idea? You are showing your ignorance by making some stupid blanket statement. I gues my dad is borderline illiterate because he voted for Bush right? I guess getting a fucking perfect on his SAT's (yes perfect) doesn't reflect very much on his literacy since he voted for Bush. Oh yeah I never got below a B in either college or high school english but I guess I should be judged on literacy because of who I voted for (according to your moronic statement). By the way look at the percentages of higher educated people vs. lower educated people and tell me where more of the idiot vote went to. More of it went to Gore so get your stupid ideas straight.
Ummmm Dear Goat...
Tell us how you really feel, darlin'
I could have sworn some of these quotes were Dan Qualye's.
I don't see how one can be sympathetic with someone who makes these quotes. I don't think the point of showing these quotes are showing slips but to show the speaker's lack of understanding of the given subject matter.
I also find it hard to believe that the more "educated" people voted more for bush than gore. Maybe the people w/more money did...
While I am overall somebody of conservative beliefs this does not necessarily mean that I am one of those people who is all stoked over everything the GOP does and I am not somebody who will defend somebody to the end because he/she is a republican. In fact I believe that the GOP is only a lesser evil then the democratic party, I am not some die hard who agrees with everything they (GOP) are for. I have true hate for so much of the ideas that liberals spout off though, and the election result made me more happy not because Bush got in, but because a liberal didn't. I simply despise those stupid comments made by yokels like Johnny Smart. He can rip on George all he wants but going and making blanket statements about millions of people is just a prime example of spouting ignorant remarks. This is the kind of thing that organizations like the KKK and people like louis farikkhan like to indulge in. Ignorance may be bliss but it sure isn't productive. Later, Kris
Bush purportedly was caught on tape with brother Jeb by the DEA purchasing cocaine in Miami in 1985. The man who claimed this was Barry Seal. Seal got assasinated. The hit squad murderers were working for Oliver North. Bush had Texas buy the deceased Seal's cocaine smuggling plane in order to use it as Texas1, the equivalent of airforce 1. It still is the governor's plane in Texas. That is truly smart, isn't it?
Iam also against the American Flag,against hetrosexuals, against blue eyed white males, against pro-lifers, against God and family, against republicans with strong morals, Iam also against your right to free speech when I dont agree with you, also against playing proper poker and skills, against guns and the military, against meat eaters, against your right to vote republican, against your right chop down trees to build your houses even tho I have a nice redwood deck in Marin county, your right to drive cars polluting the air, hell my Mercedes is the best car I ever had.
Yours truly J.S.
My true handle is nightstick, but I've changed it lately to NIGHTHAWK.
But Goat..c'mon man..you know the guy is a stone idiot. And he is gonna wreak havoc on the environment and the country's non-renewable resources. How can you turn a blind eye to those facts? My biggest fear was the impact he'd have on environmental issues and he's not even in office and those fears already seem to be well-founded by his pre and post office comments and cabinet selection for Interior Secretary.
I agree that Bush is going to do his share of damage to the country but in my opinion the good should outweigh the bad. On the other hand I think that Gore would have really done a great deal of damage to this country if he had gotten into office. Believe me I have heard plenty of things about Bush that didn't sound good to me, but saying he is an idiot is actually off the mark. He went to some ivy league school and did a hell of a lot better then most people in the general population would be capable of. This doesn't necessarily make him a scholar but he certainly isn't stupid. Also I would like to say that overall I am sort of disgusted with our political system so I don't follow things as much as I did a few years ago (when I was still in high school). I care more about my hourly rate than government anyway :-) Kris
I got a website to prove these allegations and scandals.
www.whitehouse.com
"I also find it hard to believe that the more 'educated' people voted more for bush than gore. Maybe the people w/more money did..."
There is an obvious correlation between education and wealth so yes, more educated people tend to be wealthier and wealthier people tend to vote republican.
Intersetingly, if you look at people with college degrees, more vote Republican than Democratic. However, if you look at Ph.D.s, more vote Democratic than Republican.
Paul Talbot
Umm who are the more educated people? The one's who have MBA's??? I think when you said ," However, if you look at Ph.D.s, more vote Democratic than Republican. " you conceeded your argument.
Go have your mama change your diaper, little boy.
Like I said before concentrate on your holdem game and quit bitching about the outcome of the election. However you can decide the outcome of your poker skills on the other forums, so no more sniffling.
I don't participate, nor contribute to racketeering,tax evasion, nor fraud.
Glad to see that's all you could resort to. Insults and name calling really shows your maturity.
This quote was used as a trailer by Jekke in an unrelated thread:
-- "It's important for us to explain to our nation
that life is important. It's not only life of
babies, but it's life of children living in,
you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet."
--George W. Bush
Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000
...can a small card room support?
There's this small card room that's about 15 min. from my house. On an average weeknight they have one $3/6 Holdem w/Kill game. On a Friday/Saturday night they get enough players to have one $4/8 w/Kill table and one $3/6 w/Kill table. They rake the game for up to $4 a pot. I've only got about 160 hrs. playing time in this game, but I'm currently beating it for about $9 hour. I hate the high rake, but most of the player's are super weak/passive.
My question to the forum is:
How many players do you think are long term winners in this game? or how many players are winning money there?
I just purchased a copy directly from Harper's for $6.00, including shipping. See their web page at http://www.harpers.org/reader_services/back_issues.php3
better yet, get a subscription. Harpers is a great magazine.
Kewl!
Now, if you don't mind committing an illegal act, scan the whole article and post it here or elsewhere on the net for us to download. I mean, what do I care if you have to go to jail, as long as I can save 6 bucks. ;-)
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Do you know where I can find a good lawyer to advise me? Whew, I do a good deed and I am going down in flames.
didn't you see my smiley? ;-)
Later, GR (FM)
I saw your smiley. I even noticed the wink. I was smiling too. Maybe I had too much of a poker face. If I were Vince, I would know how to get out of this in less than 100 words. ;-)
That's right---the real person.
Here are the 3 best things about my weekend in Las Vegas:
1. The Pirate Ship Battle.
2. A 75 cent Shrimp cocktail.
3. Meeting Vince-----and the shrimp cocktail wasn't very good.
Seriously, Vince is a great guy. Very nice, knowledgeable, helpful. Just what you would expect from reading his posts. He introduced me to Mason and some others in the Bellagio poker room.
I have a couple of hands and poker situations involving Vince that I will post over the next couple of days.
Several other 2+2 guys were in the room this weekend too. Hosh, Bill M, Natedogg. All should have a story or two.
Abe
:-)
nt
Not only have I met SPM, I have actually touched his cape...heh
c
Where did you find the shrimp cocktail? And was it really not that good, or was it at least OK?
Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Fossilman,
The shrimp on the Bellagio Buffet is simple shrimplishess!
Vince
I met Vince and Fossilman
They dip a shrimp in lettuce. That suffices to call it shrimp cocktail.
The SPM's pilgrimage this weekend, ended with a blessing from Three Sacred Rocks (TSRs) . Their right hands held high like Commander Spook from Star Trek, the TSRs said "Win long and prosper."
The pilgrimage started when the SPM met the first of the TSRs, the Rock of Patience. Patience explained the first rule of engagement, big cards beat little cards and most people aren't bluffing. The mission is to wait for the right cards and then hand them off to the Rock of Power.
The hand off was explosive and the Rock of Power explained the second rule of engagement. Raise! And when in doubt RAISE! With the cards in tow and the game plan decided the hand off the Rock of Position.
The Rock of Position makes the finale decision to inter the battle. The SPM listen as the Rock of Position explained the third and finale rule of engagement. Location! Location! Location!
SPM,... cards and plan in tow, looking for the right location and finding it...:-)
Down here in Cowtown for a couple of days on business, and dropped into the Elbow (only game in town) for a short sit tonight. Canmore was lovely this morning, by the way, but I digress. So far away literally and figuratively from LA or LV, you can't imagine.
There were some discussions a while back, I believe, about the type of betting structure where the river bets double from the turn. They do not play a straight 3-6 game here in Calgary. Everything is 3-6-12 and because I had not played down here in about four months, I had forgotten a bit about how the locals here approach the game. Maybe it's due to the river bet being fairly large in relation to early rounds, or maybe the Calgary players are worse than those in Edmonton and elsewhere, I don't know, but I sure notice a difference in style between the two cities.
VERY little preflop raising here. And when they do, it is almost guaranteed to be AA or KK. It seems like everyone is trying to lay a trap for the double bet on the river, and they feel by disguising their hands, they have a better chance of doing so. On one hand, an early position player did not raise with KK. I limped in with QJ late, flopped a Q and led the parade, but when this guy had called me all the way and checked to me on the river, I checked behind him, expecting that he missed his draw, and was surprised when he turned over his hand. If he had raised, I probably would not have been around at all, but at least I did not fall for a check-raise on the really expensive street. Won another decent pot out of the BB with something like 93o when AKs 'forgot' to raise pre-flop first in from the cutoff. That sort of stuff.
Almost no check-raises or straight raises on the turn, either, either to protect their hands, get more money into the pot, or punish the draws. They are all waiting for that double bet on the river. Has anyone else noticed a similar pattern, either visitors to Calgary, or elsewhere where this structure is in vogue.
You know, when I come to think of it, I'm not sure that anyone has ever identified themself as a Calgary resident on this forum. I can think of several other Edmonton posters, and some others I know who lurk. I am almost sure they have the Internet down here. Obviously they do, because I am posting late at night from a friend's place. (That ought to get a rise out of any Flames fans if there are any out there).
I know I played down there one time at the Elbow River and I was not terribly impressed by their play; they all seemed to be calling stations. However, it also turned out that my friend at the other end of the table heard them talking about how they thought I was a total fish and were going to "gang up" on me by all calling all the way. Of course, I was in the VoP that night, so they were all more than welcome to donate.
I didn't see the kinds of things you saw, but I only played for a couple of hours. I generally found that the double river bet scared a lot of people and that bets on the river were much more respected. On our way home my friend and I discussed it, and we felt that the betting structure encouraged more action, since drawing hands would have high implied odds for the double river bet. By that token, it was generally a good idea to be pounding hands like top pair all the way to charge them, but to be cautious about scare cards on the river.
As for Calgary, I think all the cow droppings have depleted their intelligence (if it was ever there)
David
I played at the Reno Hilton on the 11th and 12th during the WPC. I'm glad to see that bigger Tourneys are being played in Reno since it is easy for me to Drive down with a couple friends.
The action was good. I played 10/20 mostly and though I would have liked to see the games a bit looser (I always want the games a little looser) the play was weak after the flop.
I liked that the Tourney was right out in the middle of the Casino and not stuck in some back room. There were some great spots to sweat the Big games, though I got chastised a couple times for getting inside the rail.
There was a lot of Pot Limit and No Limit side action but I wasn't interested in that so I can't tell you much.
A couple critiques: There were too many limits to choose from. In Limit Texas Hold'em alone there was 4/8; 10/20; 15/30; 20/40; 30/60..... The Brushes were having a hard time keeping the games full even with long waiting lists. Nobody was playing 7CS in the side games, it was just HE or O8.
CV
They did spread a 50 8orbetter game. I looked over and it was the same 5 guys who seem to be propping it at the WSOP every year. PLO games are highly recommended now that I'm gone.
JG
I saw this problem and managed to work out the correct answer and thought some of you might think it was an interesting problem as well.
We are going to flip a coin 100 times. If it comes up heads 41 times or more, you give me $1. If it comes up heads 40 times or less, I give you $10.
Will you play this game at the (essentially) odds of 10-1? If not, what odds do you require to play this game?
I would have to say no. The prob of you winning is just above 97% w/ prob of you losing about 3%. So to make the game fair you would have to give 97:3 odds or about 32:1. Am I correct??
this is a stat ?. I would take the bet. I will win 96% of the time and I only need to win 91% of the time to break even.
Note: I approximated the binomial distribution with a normal distribution. I can't remember if the sample size is large enough for this approximation to be correct but I think it is.
Lots of people, from the looks of it, haven't yet made their first web wearch. Damn shame. And those Search "engines", with all their bells & whistles, aren't exactly inviting!..
So, here's a nice, simple little free program for searching the web. Click and then download the free version.
For those of you who may have an interest in such things, I came across poker log software for the Palm OS the other day. I keep my records on Excel on my PC but this might be useful for an extended trip at the tables when you can't go home at the end of the day and enter your results.
If you go to www.palm.com and go to software then games, then card games and do a search for "poker" you should find the log along with some other stuff (mostly video poker).
You can also find a neat little blackjack trainer there.
Paul Talbot
I went to vegas.
I got a phone call from William on Friday morning. We planned to find each other in the Bellagio poker room later that afternoon. I never ran into William but on Saturday I ran into Abe and then Vince. That comes later.
The Blown Cover
Showing you are not a fish by losing the pot
Friday night I went to the Stratosphere for the itty bitty no limit game. I came in with a group of four friends who are actually damn good poker players. The game hadn't started but they started it for us. We sat down to play and were in a very good mood. We were laughing and joking loudly and I could see the tournament players checking us out and drooling. In fact, one player was so greedy to take the tourists' money that he got up and left his chips at the tourney table to get blinded off while he played in our game. He could hardly hide the fact that he was licking his chops.
Well, it wasn't too long before I got all his chips in the middle. The game has blinds of 1 and 2 but we were all sitting with about 200 in front of us. Two limpers and I call on the button with K9s. I flopped K98 suits unimportant. The "shark" bet 10 and I raised 40 more. He grimaced and called.
The turn was a J which I didn't like. He checked and I moved all in. He grimaced again and called, so I knew I was good. The river was a Q and that's where I made my mistake. "You MUST have hit your kicker by now," I said. He gave me a strange look, as if a talking dog had suddenly started explaining trap hands to him. It was beginning to dawn on him that he was sitting at a table full of experienced no limit players.
He showed me a T for a straight, and I didn't even show him my 2 pair. I figured anyone who shows up to bust the fish and gets all in on an 8 card out with 1 to come is going to see ONE of my hands eventually. What a chump.
But my comment had made him think and then my buddy, who just can't help himself and loves to berate the fish, says: "You're supposed to RAISE with a draw not CALL with a draw". His eyes went wide and it all became clear to him. "Hell," he says, "I thought you guys were a bunch of ducks. You're good players." And he went back to the tournament. I refrained from speaking my mind which was something on the order of "Would a duck get all his money in when he's behind?" I was hoping he'd be back, that lucky bastard.
That was the start of a long dreary evening that included making a move at the wrong time against AA with my AK. It was amazing how soft that game was. Half the table were extremely tight, passive, weak players pre-flop. They were the types of players who would NEVER come in without big cards, so you always knew where you stood. One guy literally NEVER showed a hand that wasn't AA or KK. He flopped a set of KK at one point and never raised in any round. It was amazing. Then there were a couple absolutely lousy players, players who still needed to go to kicker school, who didn't understand the danger of a pair on the board when drawing to a flush, didn't understand about drawing to non-nut flush, etc. etc. It was astonishing that I could lose money at that table. And yet I did.
The tight players had this curious twist on weak tight play. They would absolutely never show you a hand with any card below a T, but they turned into passive calling stations after the flop. It took me a short while to figure this out and to adjust, so I probably could have saved a little if I had had them figured out right away. This was such an extreme case that it still took me by surprise at times. On one hand I raised preflop with QQ and the flop came QT8. I bet out and the button called. The turn and river came 8T. What I didn't know was that the button had QT. I bet the river and he called. He had made tens full of queens against a preflop raiser and never raised me!
Into the Lion's Den
Somehow, against all odds, I lost money in that game. The next day I went to the Bellagio hoping to have a change of luck. The 15-30 game there is absolutely a dream. Some of the worst players in existence are there. I was told that the 30-60 wasn't much different, and it looked like a decent game, but 15-30 is a stretch for my bankroll as it is.
I proceeded to lose almost a rack. The fish were being fed.
The Best Read Ever
I left for dinner and came back around 7 p.m. where I promptly sat next to Abe. However, I had no idea who he was. He looked at me for a second and asked if I was Natedogg. Wow, talk about getting a read on someone!
Our table was being dominated by a couple very aggressive players so I moved immediately and never got to play a hand with Abe. Later that night I spotted Vince Lepore based on Abe's description and introduced myself. This is where my story really begins.
Facing the Great Lepore Getting lucky
I was actually doing ok and had recovered from the afternoon's losses. That's when I spotted Vince and introduced myself. Vince was incredibly friendly and congenial and it was great to meet such a nice guy and to be able to put a face with a great contributor to this forum. He was also deep in the heart of bad beat land when I encountered him. A seat opened on his left and I took it because hey, if I'm going to play at the table, I need to have position on Vince! I personally watched about 4 or 5 bad beats get handed to him within an hour.
About 3 hands into the session he raised UTG while I was holding TT. I was put to the decision early it seems. I decided to 3 bet, knowing that TT can beat a large array of Vince's raising hands.
:)
Two callers including Vince. Now comes the part where Vince gets screwed. The flop has QJx. Vince checks, I bet, both players call. The button is a terrible terrible player. The turn is a blank and I bet again. Button calls and Vince slowly, painfully lays down. The river is checked down and I win. Of course Vince laid down the winner AJ. Whew! He congratulated me on my play but I don't know, maybe I was reckless. I'm not a winning poker player but I know you have to be aggressive. The button's call is what saved me. Vince just couldn't overcall from out of position.
Two Pair!
How to embarrass yourself in front of venerable 2+2 posters
Later on, I played an extremely expensive hand when I had top set full and lost to quads.The middle aged asian woman couldn't help herself and announced "two pair!" when I called her reraise. There were only 3 bets on the river because I knew she had quads. How did I know? Maybe I've become an expert at reading quads. I've made top set full against quads 3 times in the last couple months, and two of them were in back to back sessions. Anyway, she was so proud of that over-used line and it irked me. I just can't stand people who enjoy needling others or taking pleasure from others' disappointment. It's so petty and stupid. So I let it bother me.
I wanted to get her. As fate would have it, later in the night I had my chance. I flopped bottom two pair with my QJ and who should I be contesting the pot with but Mrs. Two Pair. The turn and the river came QQ, making the board KJQQQ, giving me quads. It must have been fate because that was the first time I've seen quads in about a year. When the smoke cleared on the river, I showed my Q and announced "Now I have two pair".
I felt like an idiot. How could I have let this petty, miserable person bring me to her level? What was wrong with me? A weekend full of bad beats was no excuse. At least I didn't slow roll it like she had but still, what a jackass I was. I should have just showed my hand and taken the pot quietly. Live and learn.
Vince was a pleasure to play with and I enjoyed meeting him immensely. A class guy. I left the table about even from when I got there, which meant I had recovered from the afternoon and was about even for the day.
The Vegas Shark is a Curious Creature
I'd rather be lucky than good, but it's really hard to be either
The next day I decided to play again while watching the Raiders game before catching my flight home. I was hoping to hit a run of good cards, and because I've been cold for so long I figured what the hell, I'm due. Boy was I right. In the course of an hour I was dealt aces, kings twice, queens, jacks, I flopped a set, I flopped a straight, I flopped a flush, I flopped an A with A-big numerous times! I was on a roll. I was getting the best cards ever! It was incredible. I couldn't believe my luck! Finally, I was having one of those runs of cards that people talk about!
Unfortunately, the only hand that held up was the flush, and as luck would have it, that was the smallest pot of them all. I've never lost so many chips in such a short time. Ever. It got so bad I started to wonder if there was cheating going on. At one point I was 3 bet pre-flop by 22, I caught my ace on the flop, got raised, called. Bet the turn when it came a 2 and got raised again. Hmmmm... He showed me his set. I brilliantly followed that up by flopping a straight flush draw! I've never done that before! Woohoo. Once again, it was thrilling but costly. Later, I played a pair of Jacks and when the flop came Q64, I knew I still had the best hand. I reraised the blind and when he just called I KNEW I had him. When the turn came 5 he raised me again. Hmmmmmm.. I folded and he showed 45o.
My wife tells me I should have known the sharks in Vegas would take my money. Those Vegas pros are hard to beat. In took a short two hour session to nearly decimate what remained of my bankroll. The last two or three months have been devastating.
Glad to meet you Vince and Abe. I'm sorry I missed Mason. Would have liked to meet him.
natedogg
this story is a harsh reminder that we all play with fire. Sorry about your luck Natedogg. I'm sure you'll come back around soon. It's one thing to have a bad session at a table with strong players. It really, really sucks when you should be stacking chips and you continue to get pounded by crap cards.
I wonder if I am william ?
Nate
I called and talked to you, Friday morning. I was playing at Bellagio and looking out for you, until I had to leave to go take my wife to lunch.I was not able to spot you in the room. My bad.
Nice trip report. Sorry I missed spotting you.
Good Luck
Howard
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I assume that's how he came up with William...
Howard,
How could you play at Bellagio's and not say Hello? If I had any idea you were there and what you looked like I would have introduced myself. Not nice.
Vince
Vince
I didn't know what you looked like at the time. Do you really wear a big black hat. That is cool.I also had no idea that you were in the room on Friday morning/afternoon. I don't play at Bellagio very often. I'm more of a Mirage and Binion's kind of guy.
My wife wants to have you over for a ham and cheese sandwich some time Vince.If your not up for that, I'll be happy to take you to lunch (schedules permiting).
Thank You
Howard
Yep, you're the guy! I didn't get much sleep on thursday. Sorry about getting the name wrong and sorry about missing you.
natedogg
natedogg,
Nice post and "trip report". I enjoyed meeting you.
As far as "getting the read on you', well it was easy. One of your friends came up to the table and called you "Nate". Plus, you were a blond guy, like you said in one of your posts. Plus you played good. So I put 2+2 together (haha) and figured you were natedogg. I waited for about a half hour because I didn't want the guy next to me to hear. When "out of the blue" this stranger asked you if you were natedogg from 2+2, your eyes got real big and you about jumped out of your chair.
Don't be surprised at not playing any hands with me. I hardly play any hands with anyone/anytime. Except for that Vince----he beat me two out of two---details later.
As far as giving you a good description of Vince----well whats the problem. The big guy with the black hat that says "Vince". You picked him right out of the crowd, right?
Abe
Abe wrote: >The big guy with the black hat that says "Vince".
Big guy? I think you've got the wrong Vince. Admittedly, I'm a very big guy, so maybe my point of view is slanted, but I wouldn't call Vince a big guy. Medium or average, more like it.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Fossilman,
I just pulled out that Fortune Magazine article for a re-read, and yes---you are a much bigger guy than Vince.
Vince was also wearing a Foxwoods Poker coat. Probably a "Final Table Jacket"----that he probably bought from you.
Abe
natedogg -- An excellent, entertaining, if slightly frustrating (tough to run bad) account. My strong hunch is that you are in fact a winning player, despite your claim to the contrary. I'm betting you've just had a bad run recently, possibly compounded by some of the "less than your best" play that is so common during such dry spells. Besides, Abe said you played well. Hang in there, examine your play, take a break perhaps, and I suspect it will turn around. Your bankroll will enter a rebuilding period. Thanks for the report.
Nate(dogg),
It was my pleasure meeting you. I am happy that you posted the quad story. I beleive it is an amazing story. How often do you make top set full gouse on the river and are beat by quads. The elderly Asian woman that was your opponent is a regular Bellagio player. She and I have had run-in's before. She has a nasty (not vulgar) mouth on occaision. Her comment about two pair when she had quads is a good example of her normal behavior at the table. Needless to say she pissed me off also.
What makes this story really amazing is the fact that the tables actually got reversed and you made quads against here full house. Wow! Now comes the confession part that refers to the apology in the title of my response.
Let me digress for a moment. Nate is one of the friendliest, really nice young (28 years old if I remember correctly) fellows I have had the peasure of meeting at the poker tables. He likes to laugh and is polite and courteous. Me, on the other hand, sometimes get a little vindictive at the table and sometimes say things that I regret later. When the first incident occurred with the quads, Nat siad to the woman something like "That's not nice". Hardly a vicious comment but appropriate. I wouldn't let it stop there. I openly agreed with Nate and made several negative remaks about the comment. It pissed me off> I'm sure more than it did Nate.
I am very observant at the poker table. When I saw the next situation develop between these two I and the River Queen hit I knew exactly what had happened. I then did something that I trully regret. I'm sure Nate doesn't remember. But I'm equally sure that it influenced his using the "I got two pair this time line". I nudged his knee and as if saying "Yes, go ahead and get even with the ......" I really believe I influenced him with that response. Right after the hand he immediately said" I can't believe I said that. I feel awful" (or something similar). I beleive him. If you meet Nate you will, I'm sure, believe him also. So Nate, please accept my apology for my part in your bad experience.
BTW - You were right about bad beats I was taking. I posted last week about getting unstuck after losing big early in my trip. Well my last four sessions look something like this: 1)lose - $1500 (with you) 2)lose - $1000 3)swing down - $1200 to up $17. win $17 4)Win $2600. Swings are brutal in this game or maybe JOEY is correct when he said: Vince you are not ready for the Bellagio $15-30 game. It can be a tough game but in my oppinon it can also be best mid limit game anywhere.
Again Nate, the plearsure was mine.
Vince
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law."—Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000
"They misunderestimated me."—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
"Think about that. Two hundred and eighty-five new or expanded programs, $2 trillion more in new spending, and not one new bureaucrat to file out the forms or answer the phones?"—Minneapolis, Nov. 1, 2000
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."—St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000
"They said, 'You know, this issue doesn't seem to resignate with the people.' And I said, you know something? Whether it resignates or not doesn't matter to me, because I stand for doing what's the right thing, and what the right thing is hearing the voices of people who work."—Portland, Ore., Oct. 31, 2000
"Anyway, after we go out and work our hearts out, after you go out and help us turn out the vote, after we've convinced the good Americans to vote, and while they're at it, pull that old George W. lever, if I'm the one, when I put my hand on the Bible, when I put my hand on the Bible, that day when they swear us in, when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not—to uphold the laws of the land."—Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 27, 2000
"It's your money. You paid for it."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
"That's a chapter, the last chapter of the 20th, 20th, the 21st century that most of us would rather forget. The last chapter of the 20th century. This is the first chapter of the 21st century. "—On the Lewinsky scandal, Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000
"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet."—Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000
"I don't want nations feeling like that they can bully ourselves and our allies. I want to have a ballistic defense system so that we can make the world more peaceful, and at the same time I want to reduce our own nuclear capacities to the level commiserate with keeping the peace."—Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 23, 2000
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
"If I'm the president, we're going to have emergency-room care, we're going to have gag orders."
"Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it."
"It's one thing about insurance, that's a Washington term."
"I think we ought to raise the age at which juveniles can have a gun."
"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is—I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president."
"No controlling legal authority"
"I had to pee when they discussed hard money, I guess I had too much iced tea."
"I wasn't aware it was a fund raiser."
"They were only soft money calls."
"The vast, right-wing conspiracy did it."
"It depends on what the definition of is is."
"Billy Dale was fired from the Travel Office and charged with crimes because he was a crook."
"David Koresh was a child molestor and those children were in imminent danger."
"They were manufacturing chemical weapons at that dismantled aspirin plant in the Sudan."
"The Lincoln Bedroom was never for sale."
"i don't know how those files showed up in my attic after all those years."
"I wasn't in the car when James Riady and John Huang discussed Chinese campaign cash for government influence even though they both said I was."
"It's not about who wins the election, it's about counting all the votes."
"Those IRS audits of my enemies weren't politically motivated."
"I don't know why those people payed Webb Hubbell all that money for doing nothing."
"Those FBI files on republicans ended up in the White House Staff office due to a bureacratic snafu."
"All who oppose my programs are bigots and racists."
"Millions of children will starve if we enact Newt's cold-hearted welfare reform."
"We can't balance the budget without millions of children starving."
"I don't recall." - on more or less a million different occasions.
Of course, some of these are paraphrasing. I would find it stunning (if it weren't so true to form) that the complicit press and liberals are so fixated on Bush's occasional mangling of the English language after enabling 8 years of Clintongore spin, half-truths, outright lies and subversion of America's national interest and rule of law to their own desparate desire to cling to power.
1.I only snorted cocaine everyday until I was forty. 2. I only had one DUI, even though I drove drunk a few thousand times. 3. I only cheated my friends and relatives out of their money in the oil business. 4. My brother and I made good money smuggling for Cocaine for Daddy. 5. John Ashcroft isn't a Nazi, he's a soldier of the confederacy. 6. It won't matter if we destroy the environment, Jesus is coming. 7. After January 20th, I can fulfill the prophesies by nuking Russia and China!Jesus will be soon!
YOU sickoooooo
John Smart is my real name. Nightstick is the sick one.
I do get these jackbooted fantasies every once in the while, then thats when I take my cheap shots a George W.
Maybe he will raise the age for you sodomites to own a gun, then you can have kill a "brown shirt" for a day a national holiday
The ip addresses match. He's really disturbed!
You really cannot judge a man's intelligence by what he says to newsmen and women and then take it out of context. Read Fossilman's note about this below.
I love the Bushisms. Rest assured someone will publish a book full of these. They did one on Saturday Night Live, a true quote, that was just hysterical.
I also voted for him and feel truly relieved that Gore got the boot.
Getting a little tongue tied under the pressure of the media is not the worst trait one could have.
You guys are as smart as W.
Or some cocaine you snort before you type your sissy threads. A nightstick is what jack booted cop(dreams) of using on wheezing, whinning, sniffling liberal chump that you are, idiot
The man is dangerous.I've tracked his ip addresses. Its him. Complaints will be filed with HIS isp.
Don'y worry about it .we know who you are Smart Ass. And once more we love you.
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I like George W. to spank my ass with a nightstick.
Oh my, you are a gay S/M artist. Very sick.
your delusional fantsies are mentally impaired, like your life style get, a life you punk.
With regards to the thread below about quotes made by our future president and some of the heated responses by Bush supporters, I urge everyone to see the movie Thirteen Days and imagine our next president in a similar situation.
Also consider all the Bush supporters who conceded that Bush was an idiot but he was "surrounding himself with good people" and again imagine Bush surrounded by all these "good people" who will no doubt have differing ideas about the proper course of action on important issues involving national security and he's suppose to handle it with the intelligence, grace and patience of JFK or other former presidents. I DON'T THINK SO.
your deluding yourself if you think JFK was a good president. Also, if you think Dubya is a certifiable idiot who only ended up where he is cuz of his daddy, well, JFK is the leader if the club. Hate to speak ill of the dead but its true.
I don't care for either of the two candidates we just voted on, so the following opinion is not party-biased.
"Intelligence, grace, and patience" are not words to describe the degenerate, privileged, power-hungry, jealous, lecherous, irrational, reckless, and corrupt JFK.
natedogg
Nate, all of your adjectives are on point, but they don't change the fact that JFK was intelligent and did in fact possess some grace. W doesn't appear to have either of those two attributes
Atwood do your read the paper? Well Quit. The rest of you got it. Ecept Joel. Hi! These comments link to the link so it's nothin personal,just political.. and by the way I am so glad I found You (collectively). Do you know how rare it is to find a website where everybody can spell.
Attributes Joel buddy, Kennedy Had Grace and it is an attribute. Intelligence however is not NATURALLY attributed. Grace is. Ever met anybody who just couldn't dance? And consider how many of our Founding Fathers graduated from Havard...Yale... Princeton. And look at how THEY (those non harvard grads,how dare they) had the forethought to Stop the chincannery in the great southeast this election past.You surround yourself with good people in order to suceed. Probably Dubyas' biggest asset is his Oil. expertise!
Thanks etovote (pronounced EE-TOY-VAY)
I was in no way calling JFK a great president. However, from what I've read he handled this particular crisis with the adjectives I used. If you think W. has any of the political and leadership skills to handle the national security issues that are 1/100 as important as the Cuban Missile Crisis, then you are the idiot.
I really don't know how you can make such a prediction at this point in time. Its really silly to try to predict how certain crystallized and defining moments would have been handled by different leaders, and how the results would have come out. The plunge into the Great Depression, Pearl Harbor, the Cuban Missle Crisis, the Berlin airlift, restraining MacArthur from invading China during the Korean War, the rise of OPEC -- all of these things aren't just historical garments that you can place on your presidential paper dolls to see how they fit.
Your statement instead shows that you have prejudged George W. Instead, I recognize that W. might have certain talents -- people skills, an understanding of back-room politics, an eye for talent, and maybe some business savvy (he is our first President with an MBA). Only time will tell. I'll make my assessment later while you try to defend the one you've already made.
Jon I.
P.S. If Oliver Stone has taught me anything, it's that you should be leary of fictionalized history as an accurate purveyor of fact. My opinion of JFK will be little altered by Thirteen Days (should I decide to see it).
He was a C- student at yale, got into to Harvard business school b/c of his family and barely got through as well (probably b/c of his drug habit) so the MBA statement is weak.
Also, your comments about his "strengths" have less of a foundation to stand on then my comments about his intelligence. Texas has the least powerful executive branch of all 50 states and his so called successes there are more a result of his handlers, not himself. Hiding behind those handlers will be more difficult when he assumes the role of president.
Also, the movie Thirteen Days has been praised by historians for its accuracy.
"I recognize that W. might have certain talents..." Unlike you, I am not making any absolute statements here and not prejudging. A different Republican president took office 20 years ago. He had been branded as being less than intelligent by the press. Nevertheless, he is praised by conservatives as one of the best presidents in our history. Like I said -- I'm waiting to see.
Oh, and I can find a historian to praise any work that I want, just like I could find a psychologist to support any insanity defense that I want.
Jon I.
P.S. Just be honest with everyone on the forum. You don't like George W. Bush, Republicans, or conservatives. It would increase your credibility.
Actually, I was a political science major in college and held four internships while in school. All four were with Republicans, two for the former Governor of Virginia, George Allen (now a Senator) both within his POLICY office, one for Congressman Tom Bliley (Chairman of the Commerce Comm.) and one for a VA state cabinet member (former VA Sec. of Natural Resources Becky Norton Dunlop, who is basically related to Jesse Helms). Also, I happen to be very conservative on most social issues and very conservative on all economic issues. However, you were correct on one count,I do hate W. (b/c he's is an idiot), but not consevatives and not most Republicans.
I have respect for conservatives like you. I don't share your view, but I respect well thought out positions. I agree that W. is an idiot and may well destroy Republican power in D.C if the conservatives blindly follow his agenda.
"I agree that W. is an idiot and may well destroy Republican power in D.C if the conservatives blindly follow his agenda."
All the talking heads are saying that W. will destroy Republican power in D.C. if he listens to the conservatives.
Jon I.
This is another of the quirks I have with that conservative idiot, him being wealthy, a wife, his attractive daughters, just being more of a man than Iam just pisses me off.
Also having all that attention, after stealing the election, then naming Hitler's son as the A.G. molded out of the jack-booted thug profile, ohh!!! I hate all white hetro-sexual males with strong family values, I feel totally inferior to this prospering idiot.
Alrighty then. Wow.
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shove it
He's truly disturbed
n/t
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"the national security issues that are 1/100 as important as the Cuban Missile Crisis, then you are the idiot."
would you please list the national security issues that you deem more important than the imminent threat of nuclear war?
i think you misunderstood, reread the post. No national security issues to my knowledge would be as important. I'm stating that W. couldn't even handle much less important issues.
Go back to Cuba, Castro lover....
No matter your politics - this is rather funny!
THE KENNEBUNKPORT HILLBILLY (to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies theme song)
Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and hishead was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he drove all about. Butthat didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out.
DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up.
Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale. He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. And that's when he learns how to snort line of coke.
Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.
The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. Kinfolks say, "George, stay at home with Mom. Let the common people get maimed and scarred. We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard."
Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.
Twenty years later George gets a little bored. He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. He says, "Now the White House is the place I wanna be." So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.
Come November 7, the election ran late. Kinfolks said "Jeb, give the boy your state! Don't let those colored folks get into the polls." So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.
Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade.
Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in. Told all the voters "Hey, we want George to win." "Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation. And that's how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.
Y'all come vote now. Ya h
SPM,
Quit poker, NOW! You've found your calling. Tom Lehrer would be proud. Excellent work.
I don't think SPM wrote this. I have seen this parody elsewhere on the web.
Being the music lover that i am I really can appreciate your lyrical expertise if in fact you wrote it.
In reference to the insinuation that the Supreme court chose or elected Geeoh W., you should read on. I understand you may not want to believe the truth. Thats your choice. But it is still out there if you want to discover it. Heres how i call the play.
THEE Supreme court Told the "FLORIDA (un) Supreme court to get a standard IF they were going to recount the votes. Thats NOT pickin the winner.
thanks.
Scalia and Thomas are now financially gaining from their baseless decision. They are supreme crooks.
I am really going to miss Janet Reno, nice to see some gay peers in high places in control of the homophobes!
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I want Mr. Ashcroft to beat my ass with a nightstick, another one of my delusional fantasies.
This is the second time I posted it, the first time I posted it I said I didn't write it but liked it. I forgot to mention it this time. Sorry!
SPM,...forgot to state the obvious...
Reported on a t-shrit seen in DC
I worked for Linda Chavez and all I got was this crummy T-shirt
My lucky T-shirt has the following on the back:
DO NOT ARREST THIS PERSON
and I've never been arrested while wearing it. Certain other turks who post on this forum could use a t-shirt like that
Maniac
My T-shirts say,
* When the going gets tuff, the tuff get duck tap.
* Show Me The Money.
* And of course my favorite is, Suburban Poker Man, Any Two Cards Can Win. Santa gave me that T-Shirt.
SPM,...living in t-shirt land...
Played in a pp 200 player tournament for 4 hours - played my heart out and won - all I got was this pokerpages t-shirt.
It is a very nice shirt and I will wear it with pride.
:-)
As "Pro" athletes are fond of saying: "It's not about the money".
nt
Look up in the poker room it's a shark, it's a fish no it's the SPM. A strange visitor from another suburb who came to the poker room with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal players.
SPM, faster than a speeding rush, more powerful than pocket aces, able to leap tall odds with a single card.
SPM, who can change the course of might trips, bend cards with his bare hands.
And who disguised as a middle mannered suburbanite fights the never ending battle for any player to play any two cards from any position.
SPM,...you called...
Two guys were playing golf together for the first time and after completing the first hole one golfer discovers he has lost his pen, so says to his partner "Can I borrow your pen to write my score down?". His partner pulls out a 12 inch Bic pen and says "here..try this!"
The other guy says "where on earth did you get a Bic pen that big from?"
His partner replied "My Genie got it for me"...would you like to see him? I keep him right here in my golf bag"
Sure enough he pulls out the Genie, gives it the other guys and says "Here, go ahead and make a wish"
Quick as a flash he rubs the Genie and says "Give me a million bucks"
The next minute the sky darkens overhead and a million ducks fly by.
"Oops his partner said, "I forget to tell you my Genie is hard of hearing. How else do you think I got this twelve inch Bic!"
:-)
Father, son, and grandpa are ready to tee of on the first hole when they noticed a gorgeous blonde right behind them all by herself. As they drooled over her beauty, they asked if she would like to join them as the fourth. She agreed as long as they would not coach her in the game. So they kept their mouth shut for the entire round. Then on the 18th hole, she had a 30ft putt for a par. She turn to the gentlemen and said, "you guys have been very good about not coaching me, but if I make this putt, this will be the best round ever, and if one of you help me make this putt, I will give you the greatest sexual pleasure that you can imagine". The son steps up eagerly, looks at the line, and says, "it will break about two feet to the left". The father than steps up, looks at the line, and says, "no he's all wrong...it will break to the right". The grandpa says, "they are both wrong...it's a gimme".
:-)
In your opinion, Did a Court of law decide the presidency this past election?
Go! etovote.
No. Thankfully the Supreme Court put a stop to that attempt.
I was at the HCA and saw the SPM sitting at the main game smiling and relaxed. He waved hello and continued playing. Later he left with two racks and was still smiling! Who was that masked man????????
TIMS:
I do not beleive you. The Suburban Poker Man is a figment of a demented mind. He talks like Siderman and would have us beleive he has qualities possessed only by Batman, but not on one occassion has he ever refered to a sidekick protege. I beleive SPM is a computer enhancement, possibly a holographic image, possibly a recreation of Captain Pike on the planet of the Theolotions.
Please join me in calling out this false celebrity in a challenge on green felt. If SPM does exist I challenge him to stand on a chair at Hollywood Casino at 4:00 pm tomorrow, Thursday, and belt out his mantra on any two cards for all to hear. I will be there to witness and attest for all my brothers on 2+2.
Frank Donnelly, .....SPM wannabe
Dear Darlin' Frankie Poo,
BROTHERS??? Sounding a bit chauvanistic, aint ya, darlin?
Good thing I happen to know you love women..especially me...heh.
See ya tomorrow..maybe
Desire:
If I did not like women, I would change my orientation the first time I laid eyes on you!
Frank Donnelly
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When I walk in to a cardroom I stop and think,what would SPM do? When I get check-raised on the turn I stop and think,what would SPM do?
spm.....the man...the myth...the legend
:) jimmy
answer to question one.....hANG UP HIS CAPE! question two......reraise with anything from tens on down!
If he left with 2 racks he eigther bought 3 or someone else had his hat.
Just kidding Phil, :-)
Look up in the poker room it's a shark, it's a fish, no it's the SPM...
Hey Timmy glad to see you on 2+2, it was my best day in 15 months.
SPM,...walking tall...
Chris Matthews (1/16/01 Jay Lenno Show):
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When Al Gore talks to you, he talks to you like English is YOUR 2nd language.
When George W. Bush talks to you, he talks to you like English is HIS 2nd language.
How true!
Check this out guys and tell me what you think:
http://204.17.81.134/bbjj/asfroot/fights/index.htm
I suggest you start out with the sixth fight. It's totally awesome! Enjoy!
I mean, it´s something new and it´s interesting to know that it´s most effective if you bring your opponent down, but it quickly gets sooo boring: One guy ends up on the ground, the other guy hits him in the face a gazillion times and that´s it. I prefer boxing, that´s more action packed.
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When is Phil's book "Poker Brat" supposed to be released? It seems like that thing's been it the works for centuries! He better hurry up and release it before they have to change the title to "Poker Geezer."
I think he may be waiting until he wins a Major Event. So even if the book is finished and ready to go, there is NO WAY it will be released until after this up-and-coming World Series of Poker, since a Win there could really help it's sale.
Just my opinion, Larson
Played at Foxwoods last night. The FISH was the talk of the tables. I was on the board for 5-10 and 10-20 hold'em. I was called to the 5-10 game and replaced the FISH in the game. The FISH was off to the 10-20 game. The FISH started with 200 or 300 and had left the table with 700. For the next 30 minutes all the talk at the table is about the FISH. From what I am told he plays almost every hand and most of them to the river. And of course he was hitting his hands. Everyone agreeed that he would be pummelled at the 10-20 ( with 1/2 kill). Most hands play at 15-30. Players at my table would go check out the FISH's stack. It was increasing again. It jumped to over 1000. About an hour later I was called to the 10-20 game. The FISH earlier was up to 1700 but his stack had wittled away to 400 or so. He was on the other end of the table so the talk on our end was about the FISH. Within a few minutes he had lost his stack. I was shocked when he pulled another $500 and rebought. Over the next 3 or 4 hours this FISH that played almost every hand again was on a roll. He was up to $2500. It seemed he would hit 2 outers on the river more often than possible. He would call raises with crap and re-raise with marginal hands. The SHARKS were getting frustrated. They wanted the money. To make things worse the FISH was clueless about the flow of the game. He would never know when it was his turn to bet and how much the bet was for. I couldn't win a showdown with him. I lost with AA when the FISH and another player hit a straight both with 53. One classic hand was a non-raised kill pot. Flop was 556. He bet and was called. Turn is a 6. Another bet and call. River is a 5 for a final board of 55566. Another bet and call. They split the pot. FISH had 32o. I couldn't do that if I tried. The downfall of the FISH was invevitable. He finally started losing to the better cards. He lost a Queen high flush to a King high flush. He lost in a capped pot to pocket aces. The most surprising thing is he finally left with money. He left with $1000. Probably about even or a slight loss. Within 2 minutes of him leaving the full table almost broke up. Feeding time was over,
Ken
Rule # 82
It was six winning days in a row for the SPM, when he interred the casino on day seven. The celebrity had been playing from the Valley of Patience (VoP). Three of those days the SPM had to go all in, before making it to the winners circle. Those three days were the longest days. Two of the wins came from short 4 hour sessions and then one huge win, where the deck hit the celebrity in the head. The SPM was off to a great start for the year, 13 playing sessions for the new year and only three loses. It looked like the SPM, was in the winning groove.
Poker rule # 82 in Larry W. Phillips book, Zen and The Art of Poker, he states, "Be very careful when you are flush with money from a big win." Words of wisdom the SPM took to heart, wow is he who comes to the poker table full of himself. The poker god can be tricky when he wants to teach you a lesson.
But, the SPM was in no mood for a lesson that would dent his early lead for the new year. He came to the game with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal players. The SPM took an early lead in the game. His cards held up and when they didn't he was able to just out play the competition. Playing down hill cards is easy, they pretty much play themselves. The momentum of down hill cards, allow you to play with confidence. Your hands hit the flop, get better on the turn and hold up on the river. When the cards fail to hit the board the competition is still rattled by the great hands you have turned over and they just get out of your way.
The poker god gave the SPM just enough rope to make him even more full of himself, and his new found poker prowess. Then came the first test, pocket Kings crushed and one stack disappeared into thin air. The SPM passed the test, he had been beaten before when he held monster cards, he would not tilt. Pocket queens, destroyed before the turn, ½ of a stack vanished. The SPM looked at the shrinking stacks and thought maybe he should just take a small win and call it a day. The poker god was giving the celebrity an out, but the celebrity was too full of himself to accept the offer.
The game was on but now the SPM was now being dealt random up hill cards, up hill cards look just like down hill cards, except they don't win. The real test of a player's poker prowess is how they play those up hill cards. But pocket Aces look soooooooooo good! Wee Willy, the greatest out of town poker player ever, in his article for the Card Player, stated he had played 500 pocket aces and won 79% of the time. When you get random up hill pocket aces, great players release them when they see that they are beat. Celebrities full of themselves, lose as much as possible, then they go on tilt, and lose the rest of the days bank roll.
SPM,...down hill cards play themselves, up hill cards played recklessly destroy bank rolls...
Wow 79%. I think I am on a 3 for 13 streak with AA. I did go 1 for 2 last night. The one I lost I was up against 63o, 53o, 53s and another hand I didn't see. I may have had them slighty dominated with my preflop raise. The 5's hit a one card straight on the turn.
Good post as usual, Ken
Pish, in a tournament last night, I had pocket aces and put two people all in and they had JJ and 55. Board was 4-5-10-10-J.
Aces is aces, and thats all that they is.
I would like everyone's opinion on this. Yesterday we put a "betting line" on the table for the live no limit hold'em at the Stratospere. In this game any chips that are placed over the line are considered a bet. This line seems popular among most of the players and met some resistance from some long time players. What I am really looking for is there any disadvantage to having this line? Does anyone (other than a player planning to come forward with a stack of chips and then withdraw some of them before releaseing the bet)have a reason to object to this rule. I will be out of town for a couple of days, but I will read all the responces when I return. If anyone would prefer to email me their thought on this matter my email is providied above.
Randy Refeld Tower poker room
I like it. The only time it should cause a problem is when someone new to the game doesn't understand the full implications. The problem I imagine would happen the most is when someone grabs a stack of checks, planning on cutting out 6 of them as a bet, and he is then told that he has to bet the whole handful, since they all went past the line.
I hate it when people cut their checks, and place them in a position such that it is not clear whether they're betting or not. Then, if they're pulling the angle, they'll look at you as if it's your turn to act. Of course, if you do something other than what they want, they claim it wasn't a bet, they were just counting their chips. The line cures this problem completely.
However, no matter what rules you put in place, someone will always find angles to pull.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
A betting line would greatly reduce the question of whether someone actually bet or called, or not, which would in turn reduce the number of angles such as claiming no bet when there was a significant forward motion or when the chips are out there. For these reasons I am in favor of it if used in this manner.
I have never heard of a betting line being used to force people to bet all that is in their hand, however. It is cumbersome for many players to count out the precise number of chips prior to betting and if everyone had to do this the whole game would just slow down.
I do not usually cut checks on small bets. I actually do think that cutting checks is the most proper and efficient way to bet, especially in games like 15-30 and 20-40. It makes the dealer's job easier and is very clear. Having a vague betting area is more subject to abuse than cutting checks, and most shots occur when someone claims they weren't calling.
A few people may try to gain a read by cutting checks or by any myriad other devices, but the other party does not have to fall victim to such tactics.
If the betting line rule included a provision that players must only cross the line with the exact amount of the bet, then I would be opposed to it, primarily because it would substantially slow the game. This recalls a recent column by Bob Ciaffone in which he described his experience playing casino poker in Europe. Apparently he was called on a technicality and was surprised to find out that the rules there did indeed state that a player must count their chips outside the pot and then place the exact amount in the pot. I share Bob's sentiment which seemed to be to the effect that he has a definite opinion about any rule which forces players to do in two steps what could instead be done in one.
...merely because they came out with a handful of chips and cut off $30 in order to call. This is a natural, clear, and efficient manner of betting. I do not think this should require a raise, and to change the rules would create a host of other problems as well (just try conjecturing a few scenarios here).
I disagree, in the context of a PL/NL game.
Let's say it's you and me seeing the flop in a NL game with a betting line. You bet $100, 4 green chips. I now grab a handful of green (let's say 14 or so chips), and bring it all into the middle. I now have a chance to gauge your reaction as I start to put them down. If I like the reaction, I raise. If I sense that you like my "raise", I cut off 4 chips and only call.
Why couldn't I cutoff 4 chips BEHIND the line, drop the remaining chips back into my stacks, and then push the 4 chips into the pot? Yes, it does take more time, probably 1-2 seconds. However, in a PL/NL game, adding 1-2 seconds here and there, in order to avoid such an angle, seems like a good tradeoff to me.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
With only four chips that would be my preference also.
I will have to think further about the other implications in PL/NL.
If you are betting a larger number of chips though, what is wrong with grabbing a stack and cutting the checks? Likewise, if you are playing 15-30 or 20-40 cutting checks is by far the most efficient way to bet not only for each player but for the dealer's sake as well (even more so in split pot games).
There will always be loopholes angle-shooters can try to utilize; it is the player's responsibility to not be victimized by this one, just like it is the player's responsibility not fall victim to attempts to gauge his reactions by questioning him or by conversation during a hand. Both are attempts to elicit a response in order to judge a reaction.
I play a great deal of poker at college, and the game has paid many of my expenses here and has provided me with the bankroll to play in 2-4 and 3-6 casino games (typically we play pot limit for relatively low stakes). One of the big losers at the table likes to play a game (after the regular ring game concludes) he calls "Compulsive" in which each player (it is played with 2 players) puts up a bet and a hand is simply dealt out with no betting rounds and the best hand taking the "pot." Now I realize that this is a 50/50 game in which the skilled player has no advantage, BUT there is another thought to consider. This player is a truly degenerate gambler who, once he gets into a huge hole, can not stop until he is completely busted. Since I have some willpower, I have found this to be INCREDIBLY profitable. I will limit any loss I have to $30 and he has no cap (when he is down he always wants to escalate the stakes which range from $1 to $40). Thus, if I get on a run, I have won up to $150 and never have lost more than $30. I think I have something like a 20% edge in this game. My question is this; is it immoral to play this game against someone I think is a compulsive gambler and can't stop when he is losing? Should I just stick to poker or should a good gambler always take a bet where he has an advantage? (I won over $500 from this last semester, a nice pad to my poker wins). I am uneasy about all this and wonder what everyone thinks.
Jeff
I don't see how you have any edge here at all. All you are doing is messing with the session length. At the end of the year you've both been dealt the same number of hands each with an equal chance of winning, you can't money manage this into a winning proposition. If you are ahead it is by luck. You cannot manipulate runs, the cards don't know if there is 10 seconds between hands or two weeks.
Paul Talbot
Paul is correct, you have no edge here. If you play this game with this guy often enough, you will probably be pretty close to even. However, what you would find, if you recorded all the sessions, would be very few small wins, a few big wins, and a bunch of small losses, because of the way you play. What's happened so far is that you've had more than your fair share of big winning sessions, so it feels like a winning game to you.
If you feel guilty about winning money from this guy, you need to worry about the poker game, not this no-edge game (compulsive).
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
"is it immoral to play this game against someone I think is a compulsive gambler"
The majority of players are compulsive gamblers to a bigger or smaller extent, and you´ll always make money off of inferior opponents, that´s just the general situation. Therefore I advise to continue unless you are really good friends.
by "continue" I meant to continue with poker in general, not this "compulsive" thing.
If you really think you have an edge at this game, I think you are the one with the compulsive gambling problem...
The Any2card (A2CT) Town Counsel is soliciting the general poker playing community, for a National Theme song for A2CT. The vote was unanimous, the Mayor is heading a task force of one to find the right Theme song.
The Mayor offers this song, sung to the Oscar Meyer jingle.
Oh I wish I were a rock from the Valley
That is what I truly like to be ee ee
Cause if I were a rock form the Valley
Everyone would release their hand to me.
SPM,...too much time on his hands, leaving now for Hollywood Casino County...
The winner will receive an Atta Boy or Atta Girl!
Sung two "These are a few of my favorite things" (I don't know the title)
Aces and deuces and seven deuce off
Let all of you at the table just scoff
I will play any - two cards I can find
As long as their - in my hand - they are mine
I'll play nine - deuce, eight - three too
Cause like David Sklansky, I'm better than you
Then when I beat you with any two cards
I'll quickly smile and send my regards
Holdem's a game to be played just for fun
So if you can't take it go follow the sun
And when it's over I'll simply sing
Winning with any two is my favorite thing!
Vince
Thank you for your entree. The National Thyme song committee, will notify you of the results. For now please except a lower case atta boy.
SPM,... and the Committee of one...
Bill Clinton has exactly 1 day to accomplish something dramatic in order to erase the Monica Lewinsky/Impeachment Affair as the one and only legacy that his Presidency will be remembered for, for all eternity. Too late!
American democracy willenter a new phase in 48 hours. An unelected, illegally appointed usurper shall take power.
Dear you're wrong, I love people like you. You sit here in the freeworld...one of the only places we can say what we want. You say our new leader is this and that. I would be delighted to know that you sojourned to a country where the leader IS a usurper and the last word in the government. And when you expressed your distaste for that leader in a public forum...how many years you will spend incarcarated.
and while i'm thinking of it...Get Used to W because we will elect him in 2004. It;s going to take that long for him to undo all the stuff bill c. did.
etovote
America has a larger prison population per capita than any other nation. For good bootlicking fascists like you, the country may be "free". The aryan germans enjoyed Adolf Hitler, too.
Take your threads and shove it!!!
I am so goddamn jealous of that prospering idiot I really want to puke.
Boy, he is sick.
About all you can count on him to do will be to pardon anybody who can or has done something for him.
Suburban Poker Man does not exist in this reality. I challenged the real Suburban Poker Man to show up at Hollywood today at 4:00 pm for a verbal rendition of his mantra for all his loyal subjects benefit. The Aurora East pom pom squad was there. Little Jimmy Dickens was there as musical guest. I even escorted a bevy of beauties from Dancers nightclub to Hollywood for ancilliary entertainment( these is strippers boys).The Suburban Poker Man deigned not to show his face. Shame on him who calls himself celebrity. I no longer beleive, and am committed to the eradication of this pestulance know as the SPM.
Frank Donnelly, ...a man who once believed but now lives to conceive.
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Frank,
Say it is not so - How will we ever survive!!!
Just a thought...
Michael D (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Tell us more Mr. Chairman
:-)
They had some rare helicopter shots of an official scrimage/camera rehearsal at the Orange Bowl the other day on the local news (ORLANDO).
The camera crew wears helmets and pads, and gets up close and personal in the action , encourages celebration and trash talking. Everyone is miked up, coaches, cheerleaders, players..
I cant wait, should be exciting. I hear the games are going to be on NBC on Sat. Nights.
Oh, and Las Vegas has one of the ten pioneer teams.
Go Orlando Rage.
Yeah, sounds interesting.
No free catches, faster play clock, wide open passing game style of play, lots of scoring.
Wait a minute. I seem to remember watching that game for the past zillion years. It's called the Canadian Football League.
Imitiation IS the sincerest form of flattery.
I played at Bellagio tonight. No Vince, no Mason, no Oz, no Roy Cooke, no Lenny, nobody that I would have expected to see. I wouldn't know Jim Brier if I saw him, but I'm fairly confident he wasn't in either of ther 30-60 games. I did see at least six players from Phoenix, but those were the only familiar faces except for David Chiu 2 (from LA) and Ben Williams, and of course Doyle and Chip playing 2000-4000.
I'll be at Hollywood Park tomorrow. I don't know very many players there, so I probably won't be disappointed.
Brett,
I'll be at Hollywood Park tomorrow about 2:00 p.m. to late evening playing 15/30 to 20/40 holdem. I'll be wearing jeans, white sneakers, and a blue button down shirt. I'm a little over 6' tall, around 200 lbs, 46 years old (but look younger!) and am starting to grow a beard again so I will have a two day growth. I get up out of my seat a lot to check out other games and stuff. Come by and say hi!
Regards,
Rick
You don't look a day over 45!
Of course, it's easy for me to chirp, because in 5 days the world as we know it ends when I turn the Big 5-Oh. That will at least give you a few days to shop.
Dunc,
Do you know what happens when you reach 50? Nothing! Nadda! You become a fifty year old and don't even know it. By 50 you have already overcome all the trauma of passing key birthdays and aging. Enjoy the fact that you've made it this far. Happy Birthday if I don't see you.
Vince
life begins at 50 gl
"I'll be wearing jeans, white sneakers, and a blue button down shirt. "
And gold earings to boot is my bet. Careful, Brett I know you like the jeans' wearin type. Bein' an Arizona cowboy and all!
BTW - I played at the Mirage yesterday but was at Bellagio's later in the evenning. Did not see your smiling little face. Would have liked to say hello.
vince
I only played for about 2 hours. The game was terrible, and after being stuck for awhile, I found myself ahead by $81. Seemed like a good time to quit.
The SPM was knocked unconscious when his pocket Queens got in the way of a speeding rush. When he woke up, several hands later, he found himself in Border Town.
Rags, early position, raise says the SPM! In Border Town emotions run hot, even rags appeal to your emotional desire to win. Maybe these rags are the rags to riches rags.
The SPM was lost in Border Town, he knew the only way out was thru the Valley of Patience. But the borders were patrolled, by the any 2 will do players, on a religious rush. You don't want to get caught in hands with a player on a religious rush.
Our hero was stuck five stacks, and on a emotional roller coaster. The ride was rough and the SPM was ready to jump ship. Border Town is a great place to play from, when your emotions are in the zone of success. But when your in the emotional zero zone, your stacks melt like butter in a hot frying pan.
He decided he would get out of Border Town but not thru the Valley. The SPM went another way, he turned the nuts, and then he took a ride down, Just One More Round Highway.
"One more round" said the SPM to himself, for the third time. This will be the last round he assured himself. Then he guessed right, and won a pot, then another, and before the end of the sixth and final round the SPM was only down one and a half stacks. Then the SPM left the game, to return another day.
SPM,...a small lose, you can get it back tomorrow...
SPM,
You really should start a collection of your stories.
Also I should head over to this crazy game you speak of and see if you speak the truth. This is the 10-20 at Hollywood correct? I play the 10-20 1/2 Killer at Harrahs but your game seems like a real money pit....LOL
Best of it !!
MJ
P.S. I enjoy your stories.
Thank you! Yes it is Hollywood Casino, in Aurora, IL. Be careful, should you decide to visit my home court. Our fish eat sharks.
SPM,...C U at Harrah's tomorrow, say hi...
Player Profile Hollywood Casino County
Chairman of the Board, plays like a rock, talks like a fish.
Sun Glass Kid, plays like a rock, is a rock, and will give you a blow by blow recap of every hand. Should you sit next to him.
The River Master, calling station until the river where he will sink your boat.
Rickshaw Kid, name changed to Ballet Boy, by popular demand. Wears black tights to the casino, weak tight.
Nails Lucks, rock, rounder, don't come in empty handed when he's in the hand.
Midnight Marauder, blind thief with a Doo Joe in Border Town. Loves to gamble.
Professor, aggressive light rock, worships the Midnight Marauder...
Pony Tail, Michael Bolton look a like, rock solid, will release hand if he thinks he's beat, faster than white on rice.
The Cave Man, solid recreational player, with no computer, keeps the SPM on the straight and narrow.
ET, considers himself the Doyle Brunson of the Mid West, not...
X-Ray Man, 20 year Rounder now retired from poker, plays occasionally. Reads hands like he had X-Ray vision.
The Artful Dodger, rock, so tight you couldn't get a greased bee bee up his _ _ _!
Zen Master, rock solid, student of the game, spends his spare time on 2+2 Medium Stakes.
Wee Willy, greatest out of town player ever, writes articles for Card Player, wins with pocket aces 79% of the time.
Mr Cappy, speaks only two words of English, raise, and cappy, a chip destroyer.
Tiny Tim, recreational player from Border Town and a real nice guy.
Grizzly Adams, loose aggressive, has rushes that will destroy you.
Just another egg, x-rounder, computer genius, now a tough recreational player, has poker hands named after him.
Rook, light rock, with potential. Easy going lad.
Machine Gun Man, resident of Any2card Town, has gun will travel.
Mr Cheeks, lives on Standard Deviation Ave., can rush with the best of them.
River Boat Rich, retired, loose, tricky, and a fur trapper.
desire, witty, snappy one liners, resident of Any2card Town, usually has a little somethin somethin.
Tony the Tiger, tough light rock, just when you think you have him, you don't.
Moonlight Kid, loose aggressive, plays tough before and after the flop, tough to put him on a hand.
Kid Joey, rock solid, and one heck of nice guy.
Bushwhacker, loose, loose, loose.
SPM, strange visitor from another suburb.
We have many more profiles but the SPM must now change into Basement Man, time for my day job.
SPM,...just a little fun no harm no foul...
:-) Thats all folks...
SPM,
You are the best...this is funny stuff. However, I have to disagree with you on one individual. I've heard Mr. Cappy speak more than two english words, ie "Come on", "free card", and answer to the question, "how did you do in baccarat?" is "lose".
TonTon from "TonTon make straight!!!"
TtT,
Glad you got to LOL...
SPM,...Beaten and battered senseless by the 15/30 mob at Hollywood Casino County. Now the SPM is off to another game. Someone is going to pay for this, I hope...
I like that. I will use this to post all my messages.
TtT
Well done Suburban Poker Man
SPM,
I loved it - absolutely brilliant!!
Just my thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Suckers Mike D)
PS> TON TON - Ve mak a strait today in 20/40 - vin big pot
Forgive me forum for I have broken my code. (Somewhat) Last weekend I was playing 15-30 at Bellagio's. I was stuck and I had been playing for a very long time. Im was exteremely tired and was ready to call it a day. Then something occurred and actually turned my session around. I made a come back after this incident and broke even for the night.
Like I said I was tired. In fact I was so tired that I attribute my behavior to being tired and nothing else. Not being stuck or any thing else just being tired. I in fact stole some money in my view. Not really but I felt that way and still do somewhat.
What happened was that I was involved in a pot with a single opponent. I believe I was in the Big Blind and he limped in from late position and the SB folded leaving us heads up. The hand was checked down and we showed our hands on the river. He had 8d,5d and I had 9,5o. There was a 5 on the board and I said I have a nine kicker. The dealer and the other player agreed and sent me the pot. As the dealer began to scoop the pot I noticed that there was an A,K,Q on the board and we should have split the pot. Before I could say anything the dealer had picked up the cards and began a new shuflle and I said to myself the heck with it. It was just too much trouble to correct it at the time. There wasn't much in the pot and I was tired.
I was wrong. It bothered me then and it bothers me now. I believe in absolute honesty and integrity at the poker table. I didn't practice what I preach. I make no excuses. I just thought I'd let you all know.
Vince
Don't worry, Vince. I'll pardon you right after my inauguration.
A few months ago I posted a similiar incident,I later gave the money to the other player. Ironically,I was recently playing at Bellagio,I showed down the winning hand,the dealer mis read the hand(I had the nut flush)and pushed a very large pot to my opponent who gleefully reached for the chips.The dealer had picked up my cards and flicked them toward the muck.As I protested (along with 2 other players on my side of the table)a player who was not involved said the losing player should keep the chips because my cards hit the muck.The dealer looked at the muck saw my two cards on the edge and turned over my cards.She now pushed the chips to me. Lesson learned never take your hand off the cards till you get the chips,and dealer errors cost everyone.
Donate the money from that pot to your favorite charity.
Vince,
I believe you made an honest mistake. But, it is the other players responsibility to make his claim. His mistake cost him half the pot.
mah
mah, so not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth? poker playing is an honorable profession in which those with courage, character, and integrity thrive. the good will vince would have accrued for pointing out the dealer's mistake and sharing the pot would have been worth far more than the small pot he took.
quintana,
you said,"so not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth?"
No, you are simplifing the situation. Anyway, Vince was not telling a lie. He really believed he was telling the truth.
It's the players responsibility to claim the pot. Obviously, his opponent was not alert.
furthermore, you said,"poker playing is an honorable profession in which those with courage, character, and integrity thrive."
I don't believe this to be true. There are many players in the larger limits that share bankrolls. I believe your statement is true for all limits below 10-20 and tournaments with small entry fees.
;-(
You forum guys get first crack at me. As of yesterday, I am in the job market, and this is my first internet posting. Any leads would be greatly appreciated.
My heaviest experience is as a lead software developer or software manager, for systems with lots of technical complexity, like sonar, radar, and communication systems.
I have posted my resume on my web page.
Bob Wilson, are you hiring?
Dick
Heh, 1 hour after this post went up you were seen at Casino Arizona. We know where your heart really is. Sorry I was a little brief with you; I was rewinding a hand I had just played when you came up. Had I known you were going through emotional and financial pain, I woulda done all I could to make it worse.
JG
So, Geary was actually playing at CA? Can anyone verify this? I waited for him for 3 months. It seems to be a strange coincidence that he would show up after I left town.
I was there. MikeW was a witness. He and MaryK were the only people I knew in the room. Other than that, it was like a ghost town. None of the people with whom I used to always play were there. I saw more Phoenicians I knew in Reno last week than at CA Friday night.
The biggest game they had was 40-80 holdem. Used to be mix was always the biggest game in the room, but my name was like an orphan on the board all night for those games. I also tried hustling up interest for PL games, but that was a nonstarter as well. Playing limit holdem solely is boring enough that if that's the way it always is, I'll probably just stick to playing it online and save myself the smoke and drive.
JG
Sad to say, but the smoke finally got to me as well. That's why I decided to try somewhere else. It's amazing what a difference there is playing in a smoke-free environment. I may never leave California.
Yes, Brett, there was actually a Jim sighting. Honest, he was there.
Hey, Jim, I'm not your poker opponent (or scrabble either). You won't make any money off me if I'm extra frazzled. But if you ever care to try backgammon, you won't enjoy playing me. I play like a combination of the worst poker rock you ever met and a chessplayer. Very positional; I love back games and I love to possess the doubling cube. (I've done the math)
You'll be glad to know (I hope ...) that there won't be any pain for quite a while. I have a long time to find a job within my company, and there is one guy who wants me who might pick me up as early as tomorrow. I also have, within the company, the possibility of moving to where my wife is working. Wouldn't that be nice!
Hope to see you again!
Dick
I don't know if you're interested in contracting or not (I prefer being a direct at this time) but you might try www.ceweekly.com. I pay for the electronic subscription which is $20 a year. I updated my resume only last week and the amount of inquires I received is unbelievable. I think there were several in the Phoenix area too so you probably could contract around home.
Look to the Defense Department and Defense Contractors. In my experience I have found them crying for guys with SW expereince in radar, sonar, etc..
Vince
Vince - Yes, you are so right. I was at Raytheon for ten years, and my resume is already in there. Raytheon has swallowed E-Systems and Hughes since I left, so they are huge now.
Dick
I got some nice contacts e-mailed to me; thanks to all.
Dick
Of all the times I have played at Bellagio, last night was the first time I have stayed there.
Don't get me wrong, the room was nice, but I was a little disappointed. A friend had told me the rooms were the nicest he had ever stayed in. I think he needs to get out more.
For about the same money, maybe a little less, (I paid the poker rate of $129), I could have stayed at the Venetian. The rooms there are a lot nicer. No comparison.
For less money, maybe $65-$79, I could have stayed at the Rio. Not quite as upscale, but very nice and more comfortable, since they have that nice couch. No marble in the bathrooms there, though, if I remember correctly.
Just my .02.
If you want nice, try the Four Seasons. But not in Vegas. Although, that's pretty nice, too.
Where are the best game in the Los Angeles area? up to 20-40 holdem. thanks.
Anywhere and everywhere.
However, just in case you thought that Clinton might not be going out the same way he came in:
"And Clinton lawyer David Kendall appeared before reporters outside the White House to insist Clinton was not admitting to having lied, just having made evasive and misleading statements.
"He did not lie, we have not admitted he lied, and he does not do so today," Kendall said.
Kendall, in a letter to Ray released by the White House, complained that the five-year suspension of Clinton's legal license was "far harsher than appropriate.""
BTW, props to Dub for finding an easy way out of having to decide whether to pardon or prosecute Clinton. And they say there is no difference btwn the two parties..... :)
Do you play at "high" stakes (say 6-12)? Do you carry enough cash around occasionally to buy, say, economy Y tickets coast to coast? What then will you do when Herr Ashcroft and his nazi judges affirm even more draconian forfeiture laws and procedures, and institute even harsher penalties for victimless crimes?
History will record the election of 2000 as that in which Americans traded away fiscal responsibility, civil liberties, and the secular state for a piddly tax cut and a new cold war.
"and institute even harsher penalties for victimless crimes? "
How is perjury a 'victimless crime'?
Danny
Austin Texas uber alles......
Take your thread and shove it
But nightstick is at his sick game again
No more Janet{lezzo}no more pinko-commies, no more billy blowjobs,no more loony liberals, no more members of the now crowd, and take all your liberal whinning and shove it Johhny Smart!
yours truly
John Ashcroft
Attorny General of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA
John Ashcroft is a racist Nazi who is sleeping with just about every member of the religious right. Also, and this is just speculation, I think he beats his wife. Let's remember that he lost to a dead guy. If the people of Missouri say that you are so bad that they would rather have a carcas represent them in Congress, I think it's something the rest of the country should learn from.
I got these jackboots just itching to be shoved up your sick liberal ass
John Ashcroft
Your worst nightmare
PS. I Know who you are
I'm waiting Night stick..come and get me....oh....I forgot that I work for the Government..Ha!Ha! I suppose that you are Tim McVeigh want to be....
...
take that nightstick out of your mouth Johnny....baaad boy!!! the giulty always deny
dear dear Broncosaurus,
You are so uninformed.
P.s. If you can't read, how come you spell so good?
you must be the jizz stain whose causing a hornet nest over here, your slight braindead laspe has incriminated you to the utter most. You fu***d up buddy boy.
n/t
The party has just begun. Poor Jesse Jackson, couldnt even keep it zipped, of course some die hard republican dropped the dime[snitched] on our crusading trouble maker.
It's Ken Star. I guess nightstick and jack boots don't get enough.
Its a shame to spoil your anonymitiy, everyone with some sense knows about your charade.
Yes, it was a horrible 8 years wasn't it? Dow 3,000 to Dow 10,500 in 8 years. 109 months of consecutive economic growth. Being able to travel out of the country and have double the buying power of the native citizens.
Don't tell me a Republican president wouldn't have lied about diddling an intern. He most certainly would have. And don't tell me a republican president wouldn't have been in the situation at all. Dan Barton tried it, if you remember, until his love child was unearthed by the same pack of vultures (the media) that made the country aware of Monica.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't care what Bill did with his shlong. It's the economy, stupid. And as long as the economy stays strong for the next 4 years, I don't really care that W. is an illiterate horse's ass as a person.
What, exactly, are the President's constitutional powers regarding management of "the economy stupid?"
She Saw a Sign Form the poker god...
The endless poker game has many flops, turns, and rivers that run wild. Today the SPM saw a pre-flop sign from the poker god himself. He was in the big blind with suited rags, playing from the emotionally charged Border Town. His mind clouded with visions of grandeur, he was committed to defending his blind to the death.
The fly in the ointment, was the lady in the red visor. When the bet came to her, she hesitated for just a moment, it looked like she would muck the hand. Then without warning her stacks mysteriously fell to the felt. Her face lit up like a Christmas tree, "a sigh from god," she professed, and raised.
The SPM lives by his commitments, except when face with an act of god. He mucks the winning hand. The lady in the red visor was on a religious rush. The SPM beaten, battered, and victimized by a lady in a red visor. Border Town where the poker god speaks to those with the insight to lessen.
SPM,...in a state of awe...
damn, SPM..you forgot the best part...I won the hand!..hehe
As an aside...I defended you, quite vociferously I may add, from the Extra Terrestial. Seems he found his courage after you left the table. I told him that we constituents from Any2CardTown would not tolerate any backstabbing to our Mayor and that he should open his mouth and offer his comments when you are there. I then got in a rather nasty check raise against him..two as a matter of fact, when I slow played pocket aces and the flop gave us both a set...hehehe..oh the trials and tribulations of the non-believers, SPM.
Great job desire, I usually don't even talk to him, he makes me crazy.
Yes, you won the hand, I thought it was just to obvious to state. I went to a home game after I left Hollywood. Went to bed at 5:00am. The SPM is burnt out. Taking the next couple of days off to re-group. See you on the felt soon.
SPM,...a burnt out hold'em junkie...
P.S. I thought your computer prossor was caput?
Hello Desire and SPM,
I really enjoyed playing with you "guys" yesterday and hope to see you again soon. I don't think I've ever seen Desire so steamed when called by Ace high and lost. Desire you must have given something away to have that person call and win with only an ace.
SPM I read a disturbing post in medium stakes. Take a look and tell me what you think. You'll know what I mean when you see it.
"Rook"
The only thing I did wrong that hand was to not figure in the idiot factor.
That guy went to the main game and was cleaned out in ten minutes.
heh..see ya soon, Rook
Sorry, Jim, but the SPM attacked this annoying low life 2CC with one liners, hard for a dealer to take control of smart a_ _ comment, that didn't last longer than a nana-second.
This 2CC is a big pain in the A_ _ ! Who will slow roll the nuts. He congratulates the player who turns his hand up, with his, nice hand, comment, giving the player a false feeling he has won the hand. Then he turns his hand over and shows the nuts. I have seen him do this over and over and over again. This is poor sportsmanship.
Give me another opportunity and I'll do it again. Some guys just need a slap in the head now then. This 2CC several months ago, almost lost a hand with his slow rolling and comment "Nice Hand". My comment then was, " you almost got what you deserve" the 2CC then said in a loud and clear voice F_ _ _ you Suburban! He went on my s_ _ _ list that day and their he stays.
SPM,...able to spot an A_ _ H_ _ _ from a mile away...
Desire,
Hello love. I didn't bust out I made my qouta and left. Thanks for the free money.
HeHe my a-- "Rook"
Am on sorry-ass laptop. A friend showed me how to hook up my monitor, keyboard and mouse to it. :))
see ya soon...dont let the piss-ants ruin your picnic.
:-)
The Hold'em horses were at the gate waiting for the race to begin, on the first day of the week. The race was a 6 day furlong event. It was the Two Towns & a Valley claiming race. The favorite horses were from the Valley of Patience Stables (VoPs), even money. The Any2card Town Stables (A2CTs) were represented but the early line had them at 8-1. The Border Town Stables (Bts) had a long shot, they had claimed during the previous week. The Suburban Poker Horse, 15-1, an emotional charged nag, a front runner, who had been know to tilt in the stretch.
It would be a long six day furlong marathon and the smart money was on the VoPs. The gate opened and the race was off to a fast start. The horses from the A2CTs position themselves just behind the BTs horse. The SPH was leading and it looked like he was a speeding rush that couldn't be caught. The crowd cheered, it was not the triple crown but it was exciting.
The first three days of the race and the competition was being crushed by the SPH, he was 16 stack lengths ahead of the pack. The horses from the VoPs laid in the middle of the pack waiting for the right moment to charge the leader. The A2CTs had the rail and where beginning to position them selves for a move on the leader. With the race half over, the SPH had a handsome lead, but he was beginning to show signs of fatigue, could he hold that lead?
Spinning out of the turn the pack was closing on the heals of the SPH, he was only ahead by eight stack lengths. The stretch run was a cloud of dust and a hi oh silver.
The crowd was on their feet Go! Go! Go! they cried, as the VoPs toughest horse Stoney Rocks charged the the leader. The A2CTs razor sharp closer Beat You At The River turned on the speed and raised put crowd into a cheering frenzy. At the finish line it was almost a photo finish but the SPH, the long shot, won by 3 stack lengths. Sometimes an early lead is your only hope of winning.
SPM,...boy I'm out of breath, time to regroup in the stable...
I have a friend who will spend a week in Vegas first part of March. While the car races will be of primary interest ,he will play poker at night. He's looking for low limit around 4-8. I suggested The Orleans for tourns. but not sure about ring games. He's only played in Montana where the games are loose. Where can he find the best games at that limit? Thanks .
Mandalay bay (sp), orleans also has good ring games as well as the tourneys, I also play palace station but its a different type of game there, playing for the huge bad beat jackpots makes an intresting game.
It has recently been discovered that many of the 10-20 Hold-Em players at Hollywood Casino have concealed the fact that they own one or more Rolex watches while some even have collections of them. This is extremely disturbing to the Midnight Marauder. While some players are very open about their extensive business empires, massive gun collections, second to none artwork collections, other players hide the fact that they are writing poker books, flying out to Vegas to have afternoon lunch with Sklansky and Malmuth, hold huge blocks of Berkshire stock, diamond collections, own Rolex watches, coin and stamp collections, antique gun collections and walk in safes in their home. This clearly puts the Midnight Marauder at a great disadvantage and play will have to be adjusted accordingly based on the "Rolex Factor" thus forth.
There's a reason for this. My company pays for me to wear a rolex watch. Every month or so, I have to pawn this watch in order to cover my hold'em losses. My company then must buy me a new one. I've been playing in that room for 2 years now. So there's little wonder why all the players now have an extensive Rolex collection!
Kevin
I assume that the Rolex Factor will include steeling the blinds of the rich and famous. I am neither rich nor famous. I have swiss army pocket watch with big numbers so I can see them.
Santa gave it to me for christmas. The note said when you play Hold'em it's a war and you need the right equipment to win a war.
SPM,...ready to do battle...
Midnight,
I have a casio - I hope that does not count enought to incur the wrath of the Marauder.
Just a thought...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
this really happened: i was going back over hpfap 21st century edition while playing paradise 5 10 he... just went thru starting hands and realized (again) i was playing too many hands... got to page 40...the first two cards:live blinds...
i also was the bb..got dealt AK just like pictured in the book...two aggressive players called from early position (just as mentioned in book)..so i did not raise...checkraised on 4th street...after A hit the turn won a nice pot...so what...still it freaked me out...good luck all...i am going to open the book to what you do when you flop quads...
In Seven-Card Stud for Advanced Players we have a discussion of how to play quads when you make them on fourth street. Of course, you'll have to buy the book.
i went to page 84 and 85 of 7cs fap by SM&Z; quickly boned up on quads play...results to follow...how could anyone not have this book..it is a joy to read...but nothing about raising sheep in montana,,,gl
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Rook,
You're not whom I think you are then. I am talking about the guy that was sitting directly to my left.
Oh goddernit wait..is this ADAM???? ***GGGROWL***
Adam is the Rook, and if my memory is correct, you gave him a L. Bobbit, every time he was in a hand with you, Friday 15/30 hold'em.
SPM,...trying not to get heads up with the queen of wit..
Desire,
Now You Know.
"Rook"
The action is great here. And the clean (smoke-free) air is even better. I'm really enjoying playing with strangers, or at least more unknowns than the other places I play. And I've seen some old friends who live here.
I met Rick Nebiolo and watched him play for awhile. He didn't play a hand while I was watching. I can only assume he was playing tight for my benefit, or he just wasn't dealt 82s or Q9o during this time.
The food is OK, not as bad as some have said. And it's only $2 per entree. The collections are punitive. I guess that's the price you pay to play poker in a healthy environment.
I've only been shot once since I've been here. Just a flesh wound. I need to practice my zig-zag running when going to the car.
Brett,
High praise indeed!
No smoke, tight playing local celeb, cheap bad food, big rakes, and poor shots in the parking lot.
Makes me wanna go to LA. Are the LaBrea tar pits still there?
Abe
Not sure, but I think the LaBrier tar pits are somewhere around the Mirage.
Hollywood Park must be stepping up their security.
-Don
Welcome to muggerville capitol of the left coast 3 Bet Brett.
If you want some further excitement take the BLUE LINE Metro train about midnight, immediately you know your in the wrong side of town or place.
I carry to and from all the clubs around LA area, instant protection is sure protection from Tyrone the mugger.
I had my first trip to the LA card barns back in October, and met Rick N at HG. I was staying with friends in Westminster and driving home one night actually got to see my first cop takedown on the street with guns drawn and pinning the guy to the sidewalk and all that. Here in Canada, the cops just say, "Please stop, sir." and the criminals comply.
So when I get back to my buddy's house, and tell him how I saw America's Most Wanted live 2 blocks from HG, he just yawns.
From-Rick Campbell's -Trivia Quiz Book
What is the highest mountain in the World?
Answer will proceed tomorrows trivia question.
SPM...remember this, I didn't write them...
Answer: The stack of chips belonging to Mr. Cappy when he is hit with the deck.
heh
The highest mountain in the world is located in the Pacific ocean, but I don't know the name of it. Dino
Depends on how you define "highest". If "highest" means elevation in relation to sea level, obviously its Everest. If "highest" is defined as closest to the sun, then its one of the volcanoes in South America, I think it might be Cotopaxi but it could be another one. If by "highest" you mean largest elevation gain from base to top its some formation in the pacific ocean but i have no idea what the name is.
GEEKS, ALL OF YOU. GEEKS I SAY.
Just cuz you thought the answer was Disney's Magical Kingdome...
Just kidding... : )
Atwood,
Just out of curiousity, how can this volcano be lower than Everest in relation to sea level, yet is closer to the sun? I don't follow...please explain.
Thanks, Tony
At this moment the southern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun. The peak on earth that is closest to the sun changes with the seasons.
like you really care :)
How can the absolute height of a mountain be measured by season or time? If you do that, Death Valley can be closer to the sun at a given time of day. I think the measurement is the furthest point from the center of the earth.
Tony
you asked how can a mountain is south america be closer to the sun then everest.With the southern part of the earth tilted towards the sun that distance is shorter from the mountians in the south then everest in the north.Since the position of the earth changes I agree we should use a fixed point such as sea level.
Everest is the name of its highest peak.
--After all humanity is gone from the face of the planet, will the mountains and the flowers and the animals all lose their names?
nt
:-)
In a book called "What Are the Odds? Chance in every day life" they talk about a guy who was offering the following bet:
The gambler gives even money odds that in 4 rolls of a die, at least one 6 would come up. If no 6's came the gambler would lose the bet. He correctly reasoned that in one roll of the die, the chance equaled 1 in 6 that a 6 would come up. He incorrectly reasoned that in 4 rolls, the chance was 4 in 6, or 2/3, that at least one 6 would come up (1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6). The correct chance, rounded to 2 decimal places, is .52.
The author does not give the math to show how he got .52. How did he arrive at that number?
In calculating the odds of one particular card coming out on the turn or river, I always used the formula of 1/47 (2.127%) + 1/46 (2.173%) = 4.3%. But clearly this type of logic does not work for the die example. Six rolls obviously does equal a 100% chance of a 6 coming out.
Later in the chapter he talks about the gambler giving another bet where he gives even money that in 24 rolls of a pair of die, he will roll at least 1 double 6. The gambler incorrectly thinks the odds are 24/36, but the author says the real # is .49, again with no supporting math.
IN the "I need the math Please" thread on this forum. the author states That..." I always use the formula 1/47...1/46 to calculate the odds of one particular card coming on either the turn or the river. I ask the author.>
If in fact you are playing with a 52 card deck. And there are 47 left in the deck.Five cards are out. Three for the Flop and Two in your hand. How many cards does your opponent have.
A.
Stop! You're gonna lose this one.
vince
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The easiest way to figure the first proposition is
1 - (5/6)^4 = .5178
The double 6 problem was first tackled by Pascal. You could just multiply 35/36 by itself until the fraction equals 1/2. After 24 times you have .494
So the gambler has a slight edge in each case.
Paul Talbot
The craps table will always take your money in the long run. Leave your formulas at home and hope you get lucky.
SPM,...able to seven out faster than white on rice...
Both of these problems are solved by the binomial distribution-cumulative terms.
The formula for r or more successes in n trials is:SnCrp to the r power q to the n-r power.
in the first example it is the chance of 1 or more 6's in 4 trials p=.1667 and in 2nd it is 1 or more successes in 24 trials p=.0278
Looking for a couple more players for a Pot Limit home game in Chicago. If you are interested email me at eslmn1@msn.com thanx eric
Talked with both at Bellagio last weekend and played 15-30 for about 3 hours w/Vince(he's a good player). Both are supernice guys I hope to see during the WSOP.
Also spoke to Mason and briefly met Hosh. Sorry I missed MAH in Reno.
The semi-TEARS blind structures of the Orleans tourneys are great; very noticeable difference. And the pure TEARS system during the NLHE in Reno was fantastic. Difficult to describe, but once you've played a TEARS tourney(esp. NL) you'll never go back. Orleans room rates $45/70.
Bruzio's seafood restaurant in the Rio is absolutely out of this world. Expensive, but well worth it. I got two combination cocktails(shrimp-crab legs-lobster meat; $16.99 ea.) and could barely finish them. Best cocktail sauce I've ever had. Mason, loosen up and take Charmaine there sometime. :)
For you single guys, the 'talent' walking around the Rio on a Sat. night is truly world class. I assume they're all going to Club Rio. Be sure you're dressed up.
If you want to hear rock and roll the way it was meant to be played, catch Thin Lizzy. The venue was bad and it was very late when they came on, but they were true pros about it. John Sykes sounds as much like Phil Lynott as one could hope for, and what a guitar duo he and Scott Gorham are(TL launched the entire careers of Metallica and Def Leppard among others, but that's another thread). Tommy Aldridge hasn't aged a day in 20 years. If you see them, stand stage left(in front of Gorham) else his guitar gets somewhat lost in the mix.
The floorpeople and dealers were nice and efficient in Reno, but something about that town rubs me wrong. Doubt I'll go back, 'less I go to Tahoe someday. Chevy's in the Hilton has horrible service, but Johnny Rockets has great burgers. I posted a NLHE hand on the Tournament Forum if you're curious. The sidegame action, at least at the $10-20 to 20-40 levels was very good in both HE and O8.
Had nice (brief)conversations w/Freddy Deeb(his cousin[great player] lives in UT), Miami John, Daniel N, Scotty N, John Bonetti and Max Shapiro. Saw TJ blowing money at the craps table...sigh...
Kathy Liebert barked at me when I told her KK88 is a better hand than AXXX preflop in PLO, and Melissa Hayden called me "rude" for saying "all in" w/o pushing in my stack during a NLHE satellite. I always did have a way with women. I guess Vince and I need to take $100 each to the Wal-Mart clothing aisle, then head off to Club Rio some Saturday night.... :)
See, Vince, not one word 'bout that 82 of clubs....
BillM,
Another fellow 2 + 2 poster I was happy to meet. My pleasure really. Enjoyed our brief time at the table together. Sorry to hear that your Reno experience was not all that good. But you seem to still have managed to have a good time on your trip. As did I. Bill, pointing out the 8c,2c IS "mentioning a word abour it." I'm wondering how you are going to justify your comment about me: "he's a good player", after witnessing my play with regards to the 8c,2c,? If I remember correctly I raised preflop and won the hand with a flush. What a country! What a player! SPM should be proud. Any 2 cards can win.
Vince
No, Vince, you CAPPED it pre-flop w/the 82.
CAPPED it? Oh! Gee whiz, what a country! What a player! I did win the hand didn't I?
Vince.
P.S. Bill if I remember correctly I was stuck and running not so good and this hand turned things around for me. Of course I was certainly on tilt.
Have you been discussing hand selection with Rick?
>>played 15-30 for about 3 hours w/Vince(he's a good player)<<
So Abe needs to work on his game?
Guess I have to agree with both statements.
"Cool Guy" Abe
Hello,
I will be taking my annual trek to Vegas with another poker Buddy - Rick K - for Super Bowl. I will be arriving Wednesday evening and look forward to losing my money to the local pros - It would be great to meet some of you and play a few hands at the same table (Note: NOT AGAINST!!). :)-
I will probably play at the Mirage on Thursday - from what I remember they have a NL tourney and a 20/40 game on Thursdays - can anyone confirm?
I will most likely be at Bellagio on Fri-Sat-Sun in the 8/16, 15/30, and 30/60.
Hopefully you all will be nice and not beat me up too bad - If any fellow posters want to get together for a beer - let me know.
I am planning on taking my laptop so I should be able to check email and post while on the trip. Would any Hollywood Aurora players be interested in a trip update - probably have a lot of time if I lose my bankroll in the first day.
Ok thats all for know. All responses appreciated.
Just some thoughts...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Go with you to Vegas are you nuts! Now Hollywood Casino County will be wide open with you gone. The fish will come out from under the heavy rock you put on them. It will be a free for all.
Vegas pro's beware, the Rock of the Mid West is coming your way. After his last trip to Vegas, rumor has it he bought an apartment building and paid cash.
You can recognize him by his play and speech pattern. Plays like a rock, talks like a fish.
SPM,...now I don't have to worry he'll show up in the game I play in...
Mike,
I would be interested in hearing how you are doing throughout your trip.
"Rook"
Like "Rook" I would be very interested in how you are doing in Vegas.
Rook - Midnight M,
I will post a brief trip report and let you know how it is going - when I am not out front holding a sign saying will work for food because I lost all my money.
Just a thought...
Michael D. (Soccer/Sucker Mike D)
Hello All,
I have been this forum for close to a year or so now. At first, I just read, then I posted a fair amount, and now I mostly post in other topics.
I am leaving for Vegas on Wednesday and looking forward to my trip but one of my greatest concerns has prompted this post. It is also the reason I do not respond as much to some of the situational plays that are discussed here.
I have been playing poker since I was a kid and have really played a lot the last 3-4 years. I have tried to read and learn as much as I can. I truly love the game.
With this in mind, I have found that, at least for me personally, it is a huge part of the game to know where you stand in the hand. I find that in games I am familiar with, my wins are much greater and I make the right play more of the time (which still is not often enough). When I am in a game with unfamiliar opponents, I find myself to be at a pretty big disadvantage at times, especially when I am in a game with 4 or more regulars in Vegas or Arizona.
Whenever I read one of the medium stakes posts and I think about responding, the same question always comes to mind - and that is what are the players tendencies in this situation that I am up against. I find that somewhat difficult to portray or understand without being at the table.
My question is am I putting too much into this? I have read and seen most of Caro's stuff and "Tells" per say is not what I am referring to. Obviously, I think we all come across idiots who have such huge tells it is ridiculous - but most of the time they are not regulars - at least where I play. I guess what I am talking about is a sense or feel for the game and how players are playing at certain times. I am talking about knowing when and how to avoid traps, picking up reads on who might be on a bigger draw based on their action in a hand, who almost always limp reraises with AA or KK, etc. I believe that things such as this in the 10/20, 15/30. & 20/40 games at Hollowood Casino in Aurora, Illinois are a huge factor in how I do there.
Carrying it a step further, with regards to this sense (for lack of a better word), I am not sure if I have it or not. I am also not sure if one can put a value on it if it does exist and what that value would be worth in a limit game in particular. I do know, I am much more comfortable at a table if I feel I have a sense for what is going on and know the tendencies of most of the players.
I love this forum, I read almost all of the m