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Hello all- Happy New Year !
I will be in Vegas from Friday 1/7 until wee hours of Saturday 1/15 in order to participate in the Carnivale of Poker. Will play the opening limit holdem event for sure and then probably just lots of live action.
(Any game Diane is in, is "live'!)
Hope to see some of you there. Come on up and say Hi if you have a chance. I will be the over-weight, middle-aged, short hair, big mouthed broad terrorizing the mid-limit holdem games at Harrah's/Bellagio/Mirage.
Diane
Diane wrote:
"I will be the over-weight, middle-aged, short hair, big mouthed broad"
God, talk about having things in common.
I will be the over-weight, middle-aged, no hair, big mouthed guy
Looking forward to having coffee with you!
Vince.
I'll be the over weight, middle aged guy with hair & shades and telling bad jokes at the table - I'd be the one check raising the little old lady. :-)
I look forward to getting together with both Vince and Rounder and anyone else from 2+2 who happens to be there and is socially inclined.
Page me or find me through the floor people in the poker rooms at Harrah's/Bellagio/Mirage. I will be playing 16-18 hours a day if all goes according to my normal poker routine.
I travel with my faithful laptop also if you want to send an email to arrange a meeting as well.
Happy New Year, Diane
I guess I'll be looking for you at the Mirage.
"I guess I'll be looking for you at the Mirage. "
I know that's your line but I will be looking for you at the Mirage now that Mason has piqued my interest in the Mirage's come back.
Vince
Vince,
I'll be eating lunch at the Mirage and Harrah's and it's not at the buffet. Bring plenty of cash.
Sincerely,
mah
NO computer meltdowns(except for 2+2).
NO terrorist attacks.
NO mass suicides(cults).
Now the onslaught of "I Survived Y2K" type tee shirts.
Disappointing wasn't it. I bought all that tinned food for nothing.
Andy.
I hear that! And what in the hell am I supposed do with all these new packs of batteries I bought in anticipation of The Six-Month Blackout? I'm up to my ass in Duracells.
thats the problem with you city boys. you go out and get the batteries but put them in the wrong place. what are you trying to do, light up your life?
I'm sure Lady Gambler would be interested in taking those batteries off your hands at a discount. She needs a fresh and constant supply for her 10" solemate, BBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
just curious.... he got suspended at Blair for asking a girl if her prom date ran on bateries.
he's awesome, but not named perry.
take care.
alex
But that was a funny line, I'll have to remember it.
Now you take that back. LG is one of the gang and doesn't deserve that treatment.
Hi everyone,
I am going to be at the COP in Vegas. I plan on introducing myself to Rounder and Dianne and any other 2+2 forum folks that may be there. In the past I have met Dick from Phoenix, Paul Feeney and Fossilman (whom, incidently, I haven't seen much here on the forum lately). I did a little thinking about those meetings and thought that my impressions might be of interest and maybe even some value for future first time face to face meetings.
Dick from Phoenix was in Vegas last spring or early summer. He came to Bellagios. I believe he met David and when David wouldn't talk to him he settled for me. I guess he knew that if David wouldn't have anything to do with him, Mason certainly wouldn't either. so I guess he didn't bother. (BTW- The stuff about David and Mason isn't true but Dick did meet with me.) Dick is a Gentleman. He had me paged. We shook hands and he sat at my table and we talked. I offered to stop playing and go to the bar and kibitz for a while but if my memory serves me correctly Dick was on a Vegas kitchen pass and had to meet his wife shortly He preferred to sit and talk at the table. We discussed , David and Mason, of course. Talked a little about our families. We didn't talk much poker at all. Before I knew it Dick was gone. As quickly as we met we parted.
Last month I played in a Foxwoods Tourney. I made arrangements with Paul Feeny to meet him down there one Sunday. I made sure that I didn't let Z know. I know he hates PF and wanted to stay on Z's good side. Yes, he has a good side. No Brenda it's not his hair. Anyway I found Paul at a 1-5 stud table wearing his Green Bay Packer hat just as he described. I moseyed over to him and gave him a $1 chip that we had bet about my being there on Sunday. He got up from the table and enthusiastically pumped my hand up and down. He had a big grin on his face and he just made me feel like he was glad to see me. I liked that. We walked over to the cashiers cage and stood there for a few minutes. We traded salutations and talked about 2+2 and Fossilman. He hadn't met Fossil yet and we talked about my satellite experience with the big man. We talked for approximately 15 minutes. Not anything specific, not much about poker. Just small talk. Paul then returned to his game and I went to the tournment area.
Fossilman and I had an interesting thing happen the first time we met. I wrote about it on the Tournament forum. We actually didn't meet. He was in the 2 seat and I was in the 1 seat of a NL holdem tourney. I knocked him out of the tourney. He walked off before I could introduce myself. I had a very good idea it was him because of the 3 wierd looking fossil things he keeps in front of him. He is a very YOUNG nice man by the way. Fossil does not apply to his age. The next time I was down to FW, the day I met Feeney, I introduced myself to Fossilman (Greg Raymer). I took him by the arm and led himover to Paul Feeney and intrduced him to Paul. We all stood there for a few minutes and exchanged salutations and made some small talk. After a while Paul sat down and started playing again. Fossil went off to 20-40 Holdem and I went back to the tourney area.
One thing I find interesting about these three meetings is that with each meeting we exchanged salutations, talked briefly for about 15 minutes. Talked a little about the forum but not much about poker. Then we each went on our own merry way. Another interesting thing about two of these meetings is that on later visits to FW I ran into both Paul and Fossil again. On each occaision it was like meeting with an old friend. I felt very comfortable around both of them. As if I had known them for many years. I don't know how they felt but I felt like we were more than acquaintances. Funny because we had only met face to face once before and I felt those initial meetings were a little awkward from the "what the heck do we do know" point of view.
Well that is my little story. Hope it didn't bore you too much. Hope it in someways helps when we meet in the future. I am looking forward to meeting you all.
Vince.
Vince,
Your just a softie in life, but not at the table. Good luck in LV and I'll keep an eye out for the Fossil. I hope you meet everyone out in LV and have some laughs, because that's what it's all about, until you get to the table.
Paul
cop in vegas. you are getting just like PF. i hate you both.
I should be playing some poker during the COP at The Mirage. (For those of you who don't know The Mirage room under the leadership of Donna Harris is making quite a comeback, and in my opinion is the best run room in Las Vegas.) If anyone sees me please say hello. Also, if I can, I would be glad to join a few of you at the buffet. I don't want to set up anything at the moment since I don't know my schedule. But I do expect to get out some.
Vince,
I have met Dick by accident one night at Casino Arizona we were discussing eBay Auction stuff if I recall he was in 1 seat and I was in 3 seat. We player a few hands and he said are you Rounder. I said how did you guess that. It was fun. I wish I was in the game that night but it was during my fuzzy time and shouldn't have even been there but I was impressed with Dick's play and seems to me he carried off a few racks to the cage.
As most know I did meet Big John in LA all 6'8" of him and we had some fun at the Seniors I also had the privilage of meeting Rick N. and his student really nice people. I met Johnny Chan that night too but he was stuck big and not in the mood for conversation :-)
There have been others I have met after the fact like th guy who said Hey I was at that table at Gila River which seat were you in.
So much for the rambeling, it's 1:10am in Chicago and I am wide awake. Looking forward to getting back to Arizona - I sure miss the tournament action. Ring action here is great but my 1st love is tournaments.
We miss you too. The action has dried up at the tourneys with you gone.
JG
Jim I'll be at Gila on wed evening for the HE tournament pls. ID yourself to me OK. I think I know who you are but I am not sure.
Hi,
I was there last night. Looked for you. The only thing really distinguishing from your picture was the wristwatch with black band. Didn't see anyone like that or that I thought was you. I was the guy who flamed out 11th and made a couple short stacks very happy.
I wasn't there last nkght - sick as a dog - flu - I really wanted to go. I'll almost for sure be at casino arizona tomorrow for the NL HE tourmanent.
See ya.
Lots of times we just meet by coincidence. I had exchanged e-mails at least once with Rounder, on some Forum subject, so I knew his name. Then one night, I was playing at Casino AZ and I got into a discussion with this guy about eBay - finally he was nice enough to offer to review some of my listings and help me; he gave me his name and e-mail address, and I recognized the name! I said, "Oh - Are you Rounder?" You have never seen anybody look so surprised - you would have thought I had discovered that Clark Kent was Superman.
Oh, Rounder, I checked my records. I carried lots of racks away because I was down 140 earlier and had to reload - but I did finish up about 100 that night. My notes say that the rest of the players were quite live.
My recollection of Rounder's play is that he was folding everything - I've certainly had nights like that. Anyway, that is an indication that he walks the same walk that he talks.
Dick
rounder only played tight because you were watching. he is a certifed loose player. badger our resident expert on loose players will agree if asked. as i understand it rounder would call a frog out of a well.
You got my number Zee man.
…this past Thursday Rick Nebiolo and his student (I'm not sure how anonymous she wants to be at this time, so I won't call her by name here.) took a little trip down to Oceans Eleven. I met them, and after playing well into the evening we spent some time talking in the lounge. I recognized Rick immediately . The star of the Caro tells video, he had that big screen (well, okay, small screen) presence that surely must have helped the video's casting director discover him. His student was all that he has said, and an extremely nice person too. She was very complimentary about my writing, making me feel a little like a big shot, almost up there with, say, Ray Leitner (Remember him?). But seriously, I could tell that she was a true student of the game, having approached it on a whole new level since beginning her tutelage with Rick. ("But Rick, it was a loose, passive game. It was the player on the button who raised first…")
We talked poker, life, the internet, the state of the cardroom industry in So. Cal. (you know, the cramped bathroom at a certain small cardroom, the important stuff). Rick is a great guy, as you can probably tell from his posts. The bits of poker talk told me that he also plays the game as well as his posts indicate. He was also very good about asking me not how I'd "done" in my game, but how I'd "played" (See the end of my first guest essay here.), which was, uh, a relief for me on this particular day. :-/
I expect to head up to L.A. one day in a week or so and will rendezvous with Rick and "student" as well as scott, who will be causing trouble at CalTech. (Come to think of it, I wonder if that's around the time Paul Feeney's arch nemesis will be in the area. Oh Zeeman…?) Between us we will surely figure out the meaning of poker and the answers to more profound questions like, "Did AlexB get his harmonica?". Stay tuned.
i haven't heard the scoop on the harmonica. and trouble is just my nickname. my real name is havoc.
scott
John,
It was certainly a pleasure meeting you. I hope I didn't seem to tipsy as my student kept switching my half empty cocktails with her barely touched ones when I wasn't looking. She is pretty sneaky which should be an indicator of poker talent.
I was surprised to later learn that you had one of your worst days of the year in poker. I spent most of the afternoon and evening at the next table (we played the 9/18 kill holdem - John was in the 40/80 holdem), and it seemed to me that your table presence was outstanding. If you were feeling any pain I doubt your opponents could tell from your attitude and demeanor. You are writing about the fine points of tilt in Poker Digest and I would guess you are about as tiltproof as they come. So I would say you can "walk the walk" as well as "talk the talk" on this subject.
Anyway, we hope to see you and scott in a week or so or whenever you can get up to Los Angeles.
Regards,
Rick
to buy it for me. Take it easy on scott, John. Scott is riddled with over 5 ulcers. I keep telling him to stop betting only on the long-shots at the track, but he says its the only way he can feel alive. Well, I hope he can learn enough from you to keep up that expensive habit. Of course, you know all about playing poker to fund expensive habits, don't you......
alex
relief for ulcers:
1. avoid stress (horse racing etc. poker is OK)
2. try Pepcid and stuff like that (preferablely see a doctor who knows about ulcers (might need an antibiotic if H. Pylori are suspected).
3. try sexual release (I'll leave him to decide on which form).
that's a start
One day a few months ago I walked into Sandia Casino in Albuquerque. Put my name on the board and started watching a hold'em game. There were two players with a lot of chips in front of them. They were young guys and decked out in Bronco's caps, shirts, and jackets. I started watching them play and I was astonished as to how well they played as their style is so rare in this casino. When I got home that evening I started thinking that one of the guys was probably Guy Downs (GD). I e-mailed him later and asked him if that was him and sure enough it was. I haven't seen him since he won that big jackpot. I can vouch that Guy and his friend play very well.
I'm getting my poker education in a local LV casino,4-8 jackpot poker.My purpose for being there is to move up asap and make money. I don't consider poker recreation. I'm at the 250 hr mark and my game is coming along nicely.However,what screams out at me is the amount I have paid in tokes,jackpots and rake.In trying to improve this scenario,I need some input on dlr tokes.I tip 50C a pot,and avg 2+ pots per hr.What do I get for this fee? The dlrs are pleasnt and mumble thanks,its not their fault or mine that the casino does'nt pay them much,and they rely on tokes.I've lost a few very good hands on mis-deals but we are all human.There have been a few angle shooters and I've never seen a dlr do anything to stop it.I'm always polite and courtious to dlrs,but am considering only tipping when they do something exceptional.
Consider: Even the slowest game gets 20 hands/hour dealt. (It's actually usually closer to 30.) If everyone tipped the dealer .50 (or if the average tip/pot was .50--same thing) then the dealer would make $10/hr+minimum wage+benefits, or well over $15/hour. This is not a starvation wage by any means. So if I tip .50/hand (and I do; $1 if I win a large pot) I am doing my part that the dealer makes at least $15/hr. And that's enough compensation in my book, especially since I'M not making that much what with the rakes (and tokes, and jackpot drain...)
Nothing says you have to toke - I hear Bill gates the richest man in the world who plays 3/6 HE does not toke dealers or wait staff - what a guy - I toke $1 on larger pots - if the dealer is a jerk she gets nothing there are 2 dealers on my s--t list both women.
You have to figure the tokes, jackpot and rake are gonna cost $5 per pot that's $150 or so off the table - money you can't win. So make your pots count.
Stiff all dealers. Dealers deserve to make more money so if you don't toke they will be forced to get an education providing them with a better living that doesn't depend on the handouts of the over taxed customers of poker parlors. Many dealers also smoke cigarettes. Never toke a smoking dealer. They will just turn around and spend the money on cancer producing carcinogens. Second hand smoke will permiate the air causing well meaning non smoking peace loving gamblers to become ill and die prematurely from second hand smoke. Make a New Year's resolution and refrain from contributing to the escalation of death by association. Do not toke smoking poker dealers. Join the cause now.
I look at a dealer toke as a loan I will collect with interest. Most play (poorly) and give back the largess to the generous customers.
Exception to a poor playing dealer is a great playing one. I put the ratio at about 90%(poor)/10%(very good)
I dout that there are 10 Great poker playing dealers in this whole country let alone 10%. Oh you said very good. Make that 15.
Vince.
Tokes are not a loan, they are a gift. Never to return, unless the dealer gets off duty and joins your game.
-Danny
That is what I was alluding to. DUH!
You're right, I glazed over your message a little too quickly. Sorry.
Danny
Me and 2 dealers went out into the parking lot on New Years eve and did a few tokes ourselves. It was delightful. Not since Vietnam was I so *%$*#4-$$. What a way to begin a new year. Oh yes I lost 200 in a 2-4 holdem game i think.
Are you who I think you are Ray Zee?
Nope, not Ray Zee, but now if i see him, i can offer him some maui wowie. as long as it lasts.
In CT, where I play H/L (5-10 to 10-20) most of the time, the rake is so high that you really cannot afford to toke. They pool tokes at Foxwoods, and as far as I'm concerned pooled tokes are simply another form of a rake. Think about it, when you rake the pot, the house collects an amount from potential winnings, takes it to the back room, and a portion goes to paying the employees. When you pool tips, the same thing happens, except that all of it goes to paying the employees. I am sure that the dealers don't really care whether 50% or 80% of their compensation comes from tokes or hourly wages. And, if Joe Shmo tips 1 penny or 1 hundred dollars after winning a given pot, it would have a totally insignificant effect on that dealer's weekly cut. If we all stopped tipping, I guarantee the house would increase the rake in order to keep the same caliber of dealers. So, if there is a difference between a pooled toke and a rake, please explain it to me. Elsewhere, if a dealer stays focused upon the game (ie. does their job), the rake is reasonable (compared to CT it always is), and the tips are not pooled, I'll toke 50c on any reasonable split hand and a buck on a scoop. If a dealer doesn't keep an eye on the game or does something ridiculous, I won't tip. There definitely are dealers on my s**t list, who I will never toke, no matter what. There is enough to pay attention to at the table without having to do the dealers job for them also.
Hello all- In the past I have organized meal get togethers for the group at rgp that travels the tournament trail. Now that I have been frequenting 2+2 as well as rgp, I am also interested in meeting any of you that would like to break bread together.
Two meal gatherings/opportunities have been established and I would like to extend a personal invitation to the 2+2 faithful who will be in Vegas at that time.
I take the liberty of inviting you since I serve as the unofficial/self-appointed hostess of the group. (No one else bothers.....typical men....always leave meals to the women)
So as hostess, you are all welcome to join me and my other internet poker friends.
Breakfast Monday Jan. 10 9:45 am @Mirage Buffet
Lunch Wednesday Jan.12 1 pm @Mirage Buffet
I will be outside the buffet entrance a few minutes before the appointed time. Will be wearing either my green Packers sweatshirt or my red University of Wisconsin Badgers sweatshirt. Tall, short hair, big mouth,etc. etc.
Regards, Diane from Green Bay
Hey Diane,
My son works for University of Wisconsin. Gene mapping project. Got his masters there.
I will try and make the breakfast on Monday. Don't let that keep the rest of you away.
Vince.
I'll try to attend the Wednesday lunch.
SPACE:1999
Hey, Space 1999 is ironic. You just don't understand the British psyche :-)
As for the dumbest, well give me a month and I might get it down to a shortlist of a few hundred.
Andy.
I disagree. That was one of my favorite shows.
In no particular order:
Hot'l Baltimore Supertrain Speak Up America Anything with Alan Thicke Almost anything with Tony Danza(Taxi was good in spite of him) Almost anything with Judd Nelson(ditto) San Pedro Beach Bums Joanie Loves Chachi Fish(starring Abe Vigoda; how many prostate & impotence jokes can there be?) The Shields & Yarnell Hour(one trick pony) Pink Lady & Jeff(no trick pony)
Favorite prematurely cancelled shows:
Homefront Cupid(just recently cancelled, starring Jeremy Piven) 60 Minutes Point/Counterpoint segment replaced by insufferable Andy Rooney
I've got your answer in one word:
Ricki.
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I have called Binions Horseshoe and they do not even know! I ended up buying the tapes from ConJel for $15 each, but they did not have the 99 WSOP....
Binions doesn't even have the 1999 tape out yet. I understand it will be on ESPN one day - hopefully before the next WSOP.
January 19th on Discovery Channel
Check your local listing for time.
It's posted in the events fourm section
I purchased the 99" WSOP off the internet. I don't remember if I got if thru Conjelco or Gambler's book club. Not to burst anyone's bubble but the video is not very good compared to the 98" WSOP.
Dice
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1.Ken Shamrock(shootfighting) 2.Igor Vovchanchin(sambo) 3.Mark Kerr(greco-roman wrestling) 4.Rickson Gracie(Brazilian jujitsu) 5.Frank Shamrock(shootfighting) 6.Bas Rutten(pankration, thai boxing) 7.Pedro Rizzo(vale tudo) 8.Sakuraba(judo) 9.Marco Ruas(vale tudo) 10. Vitor Belfort(Brazilian jujitsu)....comments?
I think you are watching too much SUPER FIGHTS
Actually they were fun to watch. You mean you don't like the TANK?
What about Hulkster and Macho man.
Actually Ali was the greatst of all time.
Rocky Marciano
As Ali himself said, "I'm the greatest heavyweight of all time, but the greatest fighter of all time was Sugar Ray Robinson".
I wouldn't disagree with the champ.
a boxer couldn't handle any of those guys outside a boxing match. you can lock up a boxer's elbows and break his knees etc. maybe use some guntings (i am unsure of the spelling. it's the tactic of attacking the attacking limb from an indonesian martial art.) boxer's may have impressive chins but i wouldn't bet their thighs to last too many rounds with kickboxer.
it's still not very important, though.
scott
Here's my all-time pound for pound greatest boxers list:1.Ray Robinson 2.Ali 3. Kid Gavilan 4. Ray Leonard 5.Joe Louis 6.Archie Moore 7. Henry Armstrong 8.Roberto Duran 9.Mickey Walker 10. Jake LaMotta .....any comments?
If you're talking about Boxing and not more "extreme" styles, or techniques of other types of fighting, to leave off Rocky Marciano and Jack Johnson is a mistake. If you don't know who Jack Johnson is, go way back in your history books and you'll find him.
By the way, do you think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman?
shooter
Even though in a no-holds barred street fight Tank could easilly beat DeLahoya, Trinidad, Roy Jones, Tyson, Hollyfield, and Lewis in one night, he does not belong with the guys that I have listed above. Pedro Rizzo and Maurice Smith both ko'd Tank with shin kicks, Vitor Belfort ko'd Tank with elbows to the back of his neck, and both Don Frye and Oleg Taktarov guillotine choked him.
1. Dave Semenko 2. John Ferguson 3. Gordie Howe 4. Dave Brown (just ask Stu Grimson) 5. Ali ( had to drop him to 5th 'cause he can't skate too well)
Hey you old dudes out there with Marciano and Ali. That's ancient history. Kojee is talking about the real bad boys where everything goes but eye gouging and biting. My vote is for Dan Severin who actually beat Shamrock
boxing's still beautiful. especially the lower weights. but i wouldn't take the boxer against these guys in an alley fight.
scott
Tougest guy: anyone with a gun
Kojee,
Cassius Clay aka Ali was the greatest boxer IMO. He was in prison for his prime years 5. He was the greatest, but I still feel shortchanged, because we missed his prime. Thank you Vietnam, and I don't feel shortchanged because they ended that war just in time because that was the only lottery I ever won. God bless all those that served in Vietnam and any war that are either dead or living.
paul
Gene LeBell, Hayward Nishioka, and Carlson Gracie could have finished off Ali (in his prime) in less than one minute in a no-holds barred street fight. Boxing has way too little tools at its disposal. I agree that Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali were the greatest boxers of all time but they wouldn't have been able to defend themselves against kicks, throws, chokes, takedowns, armbars, kneebars, leglocks,etc. In addition, LeBell and Gracie were also masters of biting, fishhooking, and eye gouging. Ali couldn't even beat Inoki despite the fact that Inoki wasn't allowed to do takedowns and submission holds....and Inoki was only a second class grappler!!!
if i remember right ali was stripped of his boxing title but never served anytime in prison.
Stripped of his title and unable to fight for THREE years (not 5), the case was overturned in the Supreme Court. He never served time.
Ever hear of a man named Alexander Kerelen? Hes an undefeated-for eight years- heavyweight greco wrestler. If we learned anything from the ultimate fighting, its that wrestlers dominate all other fighters. Unfortunately, the wrestlers in the competition were not that great. If Dan Severn can do well, theres about a hundred other heavyweight wrestlers (greco or freestyle) that could do even better. Alexander Kerelen is the best wrestler therefore the best fighter. He also weighs 300 lbs in the offseason-solid muscle.
I heard that Alexander Karelin actually competes in no holds barred fights in Russia/Armenia/Ukraine, but I do not know his record. I also don't know if he is any good in the art of submissions. Ultimate fights are won by submissions, not by pins as they do in greco-roman. By the way, I'm just gonna assume that "Ivan Putski" is an alias and not your real name. Putski was a very strong man and great pro wrestling performer. Probably a real shooter/hooker as well. In his prime he could have easily defeated Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Spinks, and Shavers in no holds barred fighting.
For boxers, ity has to be JAck Johnson (1915) and Jack Dempsey--he was a very violent man, a killer. Ali was a teriffic boxer, but he had the benefit of media hype. Ask Ali who the greatest boxer was, and if he wants to tell you the truth, he'll say Johnson.
Grapplers (not wrestlers) is what Kojee peobably meand are probably the toughtest because of their ability to fight on their backs or on the ground which is where most fights end.
I've made a resolution to keep a careful account of my Bankroll for this coming year. I've set up a spreadsheet which includes: Date, Location, Table Stakes, Hours Played, Session Gain/Loss, Total BR.
Am I leaving anything out?
Also, what about gambling expenses? Should I deduct them from my total BR, such as travel to/from the card room (I take the bus) and books by our illustrious 2+2 hosts? I don't plan on including food, since I'd be eating anyway.
thanks for your comments, J.
Try to eat in casino if it's free and tips small ( I saw world champion of poker order 2-3 free foods and tipped $1 american),sleep in restroom so you can save bus fare. You will SURVIVE.
I like a notation section for any extra ordinary hands or situations - maybe a state of mind note.
Expenses - I don't keep track except for travel to out of town tournaments.
And you deduct those from your bottom line? Reading your posts, I take it you play in many tournaments that require travel. Your BR must be very large, so I'm wondering how much these expenses eat into your overall percentage, if you do deduct them from your playing roll.
thanks, J.
The travel is a cost of doing business. I deduct the flight and hotel room from winnings. I have made all trips profitable to date with the exception of the 99 WSOP - that was only because I over did the super satellites and didn't play eneough of the single table satellites and ring games. I wanted to win that 10K seat real bad.
Jordan, I gave up new years resolutions year ago, but that was before I was a poker player. :) This year, i resolved to faithfully maintain my bankroll. I am also doing a better job of maintaining an accurate log of every session that I play. The columns i have are date/limit/location/buy-in/hrs. played/and profit-loss I am keeping it all in a notebook, that way I can cross reference to a seperate area, where I keep notes about the session and note any interesting hands.
I hope I keep my resolution and stick to it!
Does anyone know if Treasure Island Casino (which is south of the Twin Cities) has hold'em? Thanks.
No, there is no poker in Minnesota at all. In April, Canterbury Park race track will be opening a card club with all sorts of poker games.
Right now, the casinos in Minnesota only offer Blackjack and slots.
What a fun state.
Wisconsin is no better. I hate to think that I have to travel to Iowa or Illinois to play cards.
Thanks for the response.
Jon,
I'll be heading out there June 29th-July 2. I have to check on a few things out there. Maybe we could hook up one of those days. Email me if your interested.
Paul
Come on, it's approaching 3 MONTHS !!
Maybe he's waiting for a winning session.
Michael,
You know, somebody criticized him here for posting losing results. Couple that with his own observation, where he basically pointed out the same thing, maybe you're right about him wanting to wait for better results(even if you did sound like you were half kidding). Anyway, I hope that's not the case because I love to read about his High Limit ring game experiences, Win or Lose! I could care less about tournament results, here or abroad.
For what its worth, I saw Phil playing some high limit 7CS and O8 at the Taj in December. I think it was $400/$800 and he was very queit, and the entire table was constantly rinning him. So he mst have been stuck. And to top it off, the TV screens in the poker room were replaying a video of the first USPC main event no-limit hold'em final table where Phil blew off a big chip lead and finished 2nd to Ken Flaton. To quote Phil- "Brutal!"
i saw him playing too at the taj in december. he was playing 400/800 hold'em against johny chan and two other faces i recognized, but couldn't place a name. all phil could do was complain about his bad beats and one in particular to chan in which chan outrdew him on the river cost phil i think around 8,000. he was complaining to his friends walking by how he lost around 30,000 during a particular dealer's half hour. grow up, phil, it wasn't the dealers fault. I must say this, it was very entertaining watching four guys playbing at these limits. they each had one year of my college tuition infront of them. well, maybe someday.
This may sound ridiculous, but I'd pay 10 bucks for a seat with an un-obstructed view of the table where I could watch people like Phil playing 400/800 Hold'em. I'd love every second it.
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I just read for the second time a post by Tom Weideman on rgp and a new response. It concerns corporate sponsorship of poker and Tom is just brilliant.
Look for the thread called Ranking Tournament Players by Gim Geary. Tom Weidman has a response on 01/4/00 at 12:43.
Gee, I thought I used to know how to insert a direct link but then again this is a newsgroup (oh yeah, I could have linked to deja.com).
Anyway, it is time for Pollitically Incorrect on the tube and Dennis Prager is on.
Good Night,
Rick
,
I am going to be in San Jose for a conference next week and want to get some poker hours in. Can someone give me a rundown of clubs near the Fairmont Hotel?
Theres 2 card rooms in San Jose: Bay 101 and Garden City. Both are big, and spread 2-4 up to high limits. I don't know where your hotel is, so I can't say which is closer, although if you're near the airport Bay 101 is just nearby. Low limit games are beatable but table selection is important. I prefer GC only because the players chairs are more comfortable.
The Fairmont is downtown. Neither club is that close. You will need to take a cab. (Should be < 10$) Here are some criteria to help you decide:
Food - Garden City. Not even close. Try the prime rib or smoked porkchops.
Omaha/8 - Bay 101 has 4/8 1/2 Kill - Garden City 2/4 or 3/6.
7 Card Stud - Bay 101 has 4/8 High only (call first, does not go every night). Garden City has hi-low split (3-6 or 4-8 - not sure?)
Lowball draw - only at the Garden City
Low-limit Holdem (2-4, 3-6, 6-12) - both have "good" games.
Mid-limit Holdem (15-30, 20-40) - Bay 101 will have several, usually must-move. Garden City will have one. Games at both places can be wild.
Hi-limit Holdem (30-60, 40-80, 60-120) - only at Bay 101. Probably only 1 game. Probably tough.
And that's about it.
maybe worm can tell you which clubs have tables with the least gum under them.
Are there any cardrooms in the Orlando area?
No. There are games less than 50 minutes away on the Sun Cruz boat in Cape Canaveral. Pretty loose games of one round Omaha H/L one round HE, and other tables with 7CS H/L. Sometimes there is a pot limit HE/Omaha H/L. There are some very good players in that game. I would say that in each higher limit game other than pot limit you will be playing with regulars, half or whom are very good players, the other half good players who just play too loose (possibly because its only a five hour cruise). Other than that your only choice is the Indian Casino in Tampa, which has a sort of mini-tournament structure.
Wow, a huge improvement. Tweak it to put the newest posts on top and it'll be the nuts. This allows one to read while it loads. Thanks Chuck?
What exactly does Digestify mean for the 2+2 site? Probably I am not spotting a link.
D.
it actually is kind of a code. if you break it down into parts it becomes obvious to all. dige(did you) stify (stiff the dealers). since people that do this dastardly thing at times get the wrath of many, those people use code. if you have problems with this code i suggest pig latin.
Wells not BobaLink!!!
Digitfri!!!!
http://atlascopy.com/index.htm
You might want to check this out if your tired of spending $26 for ink catridges. You can buy bulk ink 16oz for $24 and refill your current catridges you are using with a syringe and needle. Make sure you order the correct ink for your particular catridge as there are as many of those as sand in the beach Z just hit into. My catridge holds 27mls~1oz so doing the math thats 16 refills for $24 dollars. And someone else can figure out the rest. It covers the ante's.
Paul
i tried using ink for cartriges but when hit all the bears did were get mad as hell. very dangerous indeed.
Paul,
You wrote: "You can buy bulk ink 16oz for $24 and refill your current catridges you are using with a syringe and needle."
Doesn't the blood from the needle mess up the ink?
Rick
Rick,
Go see the movie End Of Days if you want to see blood ink.
paul
ok. if anyone is actually doing these, please let me know (by post preferably. i want to build support. soon everyone will be doing number theory.) also, if anyone has any questions, post or email me. if you want me to check your thinking or explain something, i would do so gladly.
remember these statements may be true or false. you are supposed to determine if a statement is true. if it is true, then prove it. otherwise, try to salvage the statement. that means changing it a little to make it true. maybe add an hypothesis or something.
1. if n is an odd integer then 8|n^2-1 (| means divides)
2. a,b,c are in Z (the integers). if a|b and a|c then a|(b*r+c*s) for all r and s in Z.
3. a and n are integers greater than 1. if a^n-1 is a prime then a = 2 and n = a prime.
4. imagine the cartesian plane. we call points with integral coordinates lattice points. no triangle whose vertices are lattice points can be an equilateral triangle.
there are also some numerical exploration questions about continued fractions. i am just going to try to describe a continued fraction.
take any rational number r/s. this is equal to some integer a plus some remainder k/s, where k is less than s. but this remainder is equal to the reciprocal of a number larger than 1, s/k. which is then equal to b + l/k, where l 29/11=2 + 7/11=2 + 1/(11/7)=2 + 1/(1 + 4/7)=2 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 + 3/4))
= 2 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 +1/3)))
these will come up later.
scott
Hope this "proof" to the first problem doesn't have too many holes.
>>1. if n is an odd integer then 8|n^2-1 (| means divides)
if n is odd it can be defined as n=2x+1 where x is any integer or 0.
therefore n^2-1=(2x+1)(2x+1)-1=4x^2 + 4x + 1 - 1=4(x^2 + x)
if x is even then (x^2 + x)=2y where y is any integer.
if x is odd then x^2 is odd. then (x^2 + x) is even and equals 2y where y is any integer.
if x is 0 then (x^2 + x)=0. 8 doesn't divide 0 therefore n cannot equal 1. Statement must be modified.
since (x^2 + x)=2y for any integer, (n^2-1)=8y.
8|8y therefore 8|n^2-1 if n is an odd integer other than 1.
good, except 8 does divide 0. 8*0=0, so there exists an intger, namely 0, such that 8*a=0.
scott
Don't laugh too hard.
2. a,b,c are in Z (the integers). if a|b and a|c then a|(b*r+c*s) for all r and s in Z.
b=ax and c=ay where x and y are in Z.
therefore (br + cs)=(axr + ays)=a(xr + ys)
since x,y,r,s are integers, (xr + ys) is an integer
therefore a(xr + ys)=aq where q is in Z.
a|aq therefore a|(br + cs)
anyone who's laughing is not laughing at you. thy're probably laughing at me. well, whatever makes them happy.
scott
If David Sklansky is NOT a (multi) millionaire then why on earth should I take advice from him?
Anyone that has been in the business as long as he has-written as many books--and been playing poker professionally should CERTAINLY be a (multi) millionaire by now.
If he is NOT then I will never listen to any advice he gives out ever again. I mean really!
That would be like taking investment advice from someone that drives a Ford Taurus. Now comeon.
Without revealing confidential information about Mr. Sklansky's portfolio, I can tell you that it is quite substantial indeed.
Who cares how much money David has, worry about going heads up against him in a tournament, thats what matters. Besides he has done a lot more for the game of poker than one can imagine. Forget the advice, thats not all that he has brought to the game.
I usually advise my clients that speculating is not wise as there is so much of it now in the markets. I have no doubt that Mr. Sklansky's poker advice is extremely sound and is contributions to this game are legendary.
because you should be picking your investments randomly.
alex
the question is not whether David is a multimillionair or not. it is that if you play poker and gamble and do not understand what he says you will certainly not become a millionair. also sam waldon drove on old pickup truck till he died. and jeff brazos just bought a new volvo and traded in his honda civic.
Hump A Trump,
He may have been but since he purchased exclusive rights to my DIAMOND CAVE in South Africa, (Zee inspected it of course) he may need a loan Lumpy.
"Under The Boardwalk"
Actually I do drive a brand new Jaguar Vanden Plas but not so much to impress my readers as to, well never mind that's my business.
I'm always looking to up my bankroll (especially after decembers)
By the way where do you park it? Maybe I can sell it for parts.
Dave Sklansky says,"Actually I do drive a brand new Jaguar Vanden Plas but not so much to impress my readers as to": 1. Impress the babes 2. Depress his male friends 3. Smell the real wood interior 4. Drive fast 5. Support the garage mechanics 6. all of the above
Maybe David plays golf!
P.S I do like the 5 choices though.
Maybe he's made millions gambling, but he's broke because he has your taste in women.
How ridiculous. The idea that lifestyle or physical possesions is a sound indicator of one's wealth is eronneous Anyway, regardless of his personal worth, your desire to ignore his writings for whatever reason won't get you anywhere. Forget about how much money David Sklansky has managed to accumulate, worry about learning the concepts he teaches and start working on making that first million of your own.
Oh wait, you're Donald Trump, you allready have millions...never mind.
Last week it was a rumor. Since the 3rd has passed, can anyone tell us if the Taj Mahal poker room did indeed go non-smoking?
Thanks.
I was wondering about that too, esp. since I posted the rumor.
Just got off the phone with the poker room. It's still a rumor. Oh Well. One can only hope.
Danny
I sent a note to Tommy Gito about it. Guess he does not check his email. I'll be down there this weekend. I'll try to find out.
I was down at the Taj over the Christmas weekend. The players were talking about it then. I hope it wasn't just a rumor. I was almost choking on the smoke in there. Lousy ventilation.
I find the ventelation better at the Taj than at the Trop. I was just there and I had to take 2 showers and burn my clothes to get the tobacco stench out. . .Not to mention the screaming headache.
All part of the job, I guess. . .
shooter
The Vancouver casinos are now smoke-free. Many smokers like yours truly are in a constant state of tilt. Easy money! Come on down..er...up.
great they will get my business. see you in the spring when i come thru the mattress.
i cant believe a person a smart as you is as stupid as you.
Ray,
Dumbest thing I have ever done in my life - no doubt about it. Peer pressure working as a busboy when I was 14 years old got me started and I have been hooked ever since.
To be honest, while I have had some difficulty with the new no smoking rule, I am actually happy about it. It forces me to smoke less. As well, the place smells a whole lot better. My wife commented the other day that for a change my shirt didn't stink of cigarette smoke when I came home.
I've heard the same thing -- that they actually like the non smoking law here -- from many other smokers. Some have even used it as an opportunity to quit. (I here that prescription drug that reduces the craving is good.)
Also Ray said "...when I come through the mattress". I'm afraid Paul's starting to get to him.
La Vida Loca or Mambo No.5? Or is it something else?
Well, with the second verse the same as the first, which is the acid test for redundancy, I'm voting for I'm Henry the VIII I am, By those lovable Herman's Hermits. And as we all remember Herman's name is Peter Blair Dennis Bernard Noone.
"Coming Down Again" by The Rolling Stones 5:55. Album "Goats Head Soup". Z's specialty that he serves on Superbowl Sunday when the "Rams" play.
Meet you by the "Stump."
paul
actually a ram is a sheep. if you ever come up to montana i have a cute one with a black face for you. bbbaaaaaaaah
You guys aren't even close. The correct answer is "One More Night," by Phil Collins.
JG
Lighting Hopkins,I Once was agambler but I bet my money wrong
I vote for "Live and Let Die", for the simple reason that it has this line:
"And in this ever-changing world in which we live in..."
Dan,
I agree completely! And, if it's sung "And in this ever chang-in world in which we live in," it's far worse.
Old Joke:
A Texan strolls across the yard at Harvard University. He stops a tweedy looking type and asks, "Can y'all tell me where the library's at?" The professor replies, "Sir, at Harvard we don't end our sentences in prepositions." "Well, excuse me," comes the reply, "Can y'all tell me where the library's at--Asshole!"
The Bird is the Word?
- Andrew
ill go with surfer bird but what about 100 bottles of beer on the wall.
Ray,
I still have not heard anyone finish singing the song.
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How about Backstreets by Bruce?
He says "hiding on the backstreets" 30 times in that song.
Danny S
A pox on your house for dogging the Boss. Backstreets is a masterpiece, and every one of those "hiding on the Backsteets" has more power and emotional impact than the previous one.
Ah...don't get me wrong. I love the Boss, have seen him in concert many times and I like Backstreets.
Still with 30 "hiding on the backstreets" it has to rate up there as redundant
Danny-
As a guy from Philadelphia (am I right?), don't you just love this one from Atlantic City:
"Down here there's just winners and losers,
and don't get caught on the wrong side of that line."
How about Mony, Mony?
I got it! "You are so beautiful to me" by Joe Cocker.
2nd half of Hey Jude
Also Grand funk kept getting closer to his home
He's a loser.......a song about Gary Carson. Close second Yesterday.....song about Gary Carson before he played poker the first time.
x
It might be the same theme, but at least it moves around the orchestra pit a bit while going nowhere.
The RnR equivalent would be Chicago who took the same sound, recorded it 179 times and distributed it over a 30-yr catalog, tho granted it's a catchy little hook.
JG
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I think I read all the responses and can't believe you all missed it:
LOVE TO LOVE YA, BABY by Donna Summer?
Louie, Louie.....The Kingsmen. Not only is it redundant but unintelligible.
I used to know someone who knew the lyrics.
It's a Small World!!
Every nite at 10 I'd lay her again. Louie Loueye OOhh, oohh.
Now what's so HARD about that.
FAP
It's Me and My Arrow
Another long night at the tables last night, and wound up on the negative side on 3 out of 4 sessions played. I'm one of the few players who's not afraid or ashamed to give exact figures. . .I'm playing on a limited BR of less than $1,000, so I'm stuck on the 2-4 tables. But I can't help but think that I'd be wiser to move up, even though my BR doesn't can't afford it.
Here's the play that burned me over and over again last night: Holding quality cards, I'm forced to back off every time the board comes up 3 suits. So here I am, holding best hand up to the turn on numerous occasions, betting it up and turning the rest of the table into a calling station. Then the river comes, shows a third suited card and someone makes a flush. Finally I realized: ALL LOW LIMIT PLAYERS PLAY ANY SUITED CARDS. And when you have 8 callers, it's bound to bite you in the ass every time, because EVERY suit is being represented at the flop. So, if the flop comes 2 diamonds, the clubs, hearts, and spades all drop out and one or two callers are just waiting for the 3rd to drop. It was maddening, and I wound up leaving down over $150 thanks to this (as well as a few other) low limit bulls**t screwings.
Finally I went to a higher limit and found myself above water, though marginally. I'm sure many of you will tell me that the numbers are on my side in the long run, but in the short term it was VERY frustrating.
any comments?
shooter
Read my post under Texas Hold'Em: Can you win without losing your mind. I share your frustrations, and like Bill Clinton, I feel your pain :) That said, I modify my hand rankings when I play with the chowderheads in the 2-4 and 3-6 numbnuts contests. Since everybody plays everything---some people would call if dealt two BLANK cards: The big pairs drop in value. Essentially they are like any other pair where you usually have to flop trips to win. You might try laying off the hammer until you see the helping flop, or the helped-nobody garbage flop. This will decrease your earnings slightly but will also decrease your variance, not to mention your likelihood of going insane when KK gets cracked by 93---three times in an hour. Also, hands like Ax suited go WAY up in value, and most Kx suiteds become playable. Unsuited connectors (98, 65, and so forth) are also much more valuable when you play with loonies. Also, keep in mind that the short-term variance in this type of gsme is kind of drastic. Hang in there and try to think in terms of the long run.
Don't forget the high drop. If your paying in California, a $3 drop on the 2-4 is the same cost for 6-12 at many places.
Badger probably knows someone making 6 figures playing 2-4 but I think may be very hard show much profit in this structure.
Of course you do need the right BR, so you will have to decide whether to take shots or wait til you acquire more money.
It would not be a reason to move up because the whole table will play any two ( possibly suited ) cards. This is just free money. Read John Feeney's article in PD about developing the right attitude.
D.
Shooter I'd like to help but give some indication of the cards you are playing and where.
I pair in a game like this ain't much. Your big pairs go way down in value against so many random hands. Connected cards making nut straights and Axs making nut flushes are good hands in this sort of game. Good rule is - if you don't hit the flop hard get out - it will save you alot of bets chasing cards.
Thanks for your input Rounder. I read your posts every time, and gain a lot from them.
I usually play at the Trop in AC. I'm becoming one of the 'familiar faces' there. I have about 40 hours of table time in the last month, 35 at the 2-4 game, and about 5 at 3-6. So far I've done much better per hour at 3-6.
As for the cards I play, I try to play by HPFAP's guidelines, though I haven't memorized their hand grouping chart. I generally only play big suited connectors and big pairs from early position, sometimes one-gapped suited if they have eyes. On the button I play down to about 66, TJo, 67s,. Looking it up, that's somewhere between Groups 5 and 6. Maybe too low, but I take into account how loose the individual game is. To tell the truth, I've been thinking of lowering my early position requirements, since there are ALWAYS 6-9 callers pre-flop. I can pretty much expect it every hand, and raises aren't much of a warning to get out, since I've seen the most UNBELIEVABLE raises in these games. I saw a guy raise from UTG with J5s and take the pot with one of those 3 suited boards I was complaining about in my original post.
Hope this helps, and I look forward to your comments.
shooter
That is why I like Axs so much alot of good things happen with this hand wheel, trips with A kicker, AA on the board etc. lots of combos all winners.
Pairs go up pre flop too - flop a set and you are in business and there isn't much difference between a set of 6's and 2's is there. Connected cards are important too they make the nut straight if you use both and you get to make another straight as opposed to one gappers. Grp one and big suited are all good here too.
I wish you success.
Good advice, but I'm wondering: If I see the flop on SO many different hands, will the price of paying to see the flop 40-60% of the time wipe out the gains I'll make when I do screw the table the way they screwed me? By the sound of our posts, the advice for these low limit games is to loosen up a lot. I had always read that the secret for loose games is to tighten up. Maybe I'm mistaking 'loose' for 'ignorant', which is really what these players are. They probably wouldn't know what the word 'loose' means in terms of poker. Hell, the biggest winner at the table was an old guy who turned to me and said "What's it mean when you say 'NUT flush'?
see what I'm up against?
I'm talking about playing the connected cards in late position no where else. play the smaller pairrs in med to late and the group oneish hands in early.
This should keep you to about 25% of the hands.
I play much more stud, so my playing Holdem is simply to get a feel for the game. I have read the books and practiced on a computer, but here is absolutely no substitute for live games, and a lot of them. The analogy might be masterbation vs intercourse. Anyway, I really believe the only reason to play 24 or lower games to to simply see how the cards behave and to see how people react. It is a basic training of sorts. You must keep your head and play according to the odds. In low limit games, low suited connectors are frequently played too loosely. In stud, it's live cards. In holdem, it's high cards.
Just made my final travel arrangements for the COP - I'll be arriving 7am on Sat the 15 and out the next morning. I am coming to play in the $500 NL HE tournament. Hope to see some of you there.
Missed two tournaments today one is real easy money so I feel like I lost. Flu sucks. Anyone want to play phone poker? I'll deal from here and tell you what you got.
:-)
well i guess till you get better we will get bombarded by posts.
I have just moved to san diego and I need to know where is the best place to play. I live near downtown, approximately at I-805 and I-8.
I play holdem, 7cs, hi-lo stud, and O8. I usually play lower limit, anywhere from 2-4 up to 6-12, sometimes playing as high as 10-20, (depending on the games,how loose etc). I also love tournaments and need to know where and when the small $$ tournaments are (100$ or less). Are there any small $$ no-limit HE tournaments? Limit HE? 7cs?
any help would be appreciated
new guy
You are about 1/2 hour from Oceans 11 in Oceanside take freeway North to Oceanside and follow the signs.
You live about a 7 minute drive from the Lucky Lady on El Cajon Blvd. They have hold'em at the limits you're looking for (S.D. is pretty dominated by hold'em.). I'm not sure if they have O8, don't think they have any sort of stud yet.
Your next closest cardroom is the Village Club on Broadway in Chula Vista -- maybe 15 minutes south taking 805 to the H street exit. They have hold'em, O8, and some 1-4 stud h/l.
Viejas is straight out I-8 about 30 minutes, and Sycuan is similar, but harder to find the first time. They have smoke, but the games you're looking for.
Oceans Eleven has all the games (no stud high though) and is about 35 min north (take I-8 straight north to where it becomes I-5 and keep going about 30 min from there to Mission Blvd in Oceanside where you'll see a big "Casino" sign on the right.). IMO, it's probably the most professionally run cardroom in the area, though you may find the Village Club or Lucky Lady more "homey".
Sycuan has a Limit HE tournament, $13 buy in, no rebuys, and you get a $30 for $20 buy in coupon to use the same day. I know they do 3-6 and 4-8 HE after the tourney. Times are at 10am and 6pm Sat and Sun and I think 10am M-F. I'll be there most Sunday mornings for a while.
Stopped by the Commerce to meet John Feeney and small caps scott. When I got there, Rick Nebiolo and his student were heavily involved in a 9-18 Hold'em game. In one hand, Rick limps in with J10o, is raised by his student with 99's, flop comes 78x, check, bet, call. Turn 9, bet, raise, reraise, call. River pairs the board and student takes down nice pot. I mentioned to student that she may have learned everything she can from her current mentor and might have to consider moving up a little. I told her that D. Sklansky has a new Jaguar and might consider taking on a student with her qualifications. ;< )
I met scott, James H. and TJDJ (Ted Jou). Here's these three guys, still in their teens, on break from their Universities, whooping it up with some juicy low limit action. They were playing, having a great time, and actually savoring the flavor of casino action that so many of us "veterans" just take for granted. This should be the future of poker, young people coming in and tasting the heady thrills of victory, surviving the inevitable losses and coming back from them by studying and improving their games.
I met John Feeney only briefly as he was totally immersed in what looked like a very good $50-100 game that was being spread using $10.00 chips. It was a little weird seeing guys shove in a stack to raise on the turn or river. This is another young guy who looked comfortable in his environment. Where he is today is where the "young turks" will probably be in five or six years if they continue to participate and study.
It will be a great thing for poker if we can continue to attract people with this much promise to our game.
John - Good to see a Big John Post here again.
Wish I was there would like to meet the "turks" I was gonna be there this weekend except for the flu getting me down.
I still get excited everytime I enter a card room - savoring the flavors well you're a bit more poetic than I but I get this exuberance that is hard to describe. It is the feeling I used to get when I was wrestling and I was entering the mat for the match - this wave would come over me and I'd change from this nice affable gragerious guy to this monster with one goal to pin my opponent any way possible within the limits of the rules (I was disqualified in a sectional contest once because of over exerburance).
i hope you're feeling better. i am looking to be in la this summer, so i am sure i'll get a chance to meet you.
is over exuberence against the rules?
scott
Big John -- As brief as it was, it was a real pleasure meeting you. I was sorry you couldn't stay longer and have dinner with us. (Well, "midnight meal" might be a better term.) I did get to hear a good story of yours, though (the tree and the "owl"), from Scott. I'll definitely see you again in the coming months at one place or another.
I had exactly the same reaction to seeing these young guys enjoying their cardroom experience. I saw Scott just after he had sat down in a 2-4 stud game. He had a look of attention and focus that said, "Alright, I'm here, I'm playing, let's go." I was sure that if he didn't win it wouldn't be because he didn't bring more intensity (and obviously more thought) to the game than any of the other players. (He did win that night, btw -- quite a sizable win for the limit. Casino losing streak [of one] officially broken.)
I happened to walk across the the casino floor with James H. just after he had cashed out his own sizable win. He was really excited to have discovered how beatable the games were. Then we linked up with Scott and Ted, who has *also* won (not a bad little parlay), and it was just really fun to see their enthusiasm as they talked about what they'd just experienced. I think they had more fun than anyone else there that night (and at the Commerce, that's a lot of "anyone"s).
Aside from Scott, who at this point is pretty set on pursuing some serious poker, I don't how involved these "Young Turks" will get with the game. But it's clear that they have the abilities to go as far with it as they would ever want to. Even if they just keep it as a regular hobby as they pursue things like physics research, I can envision the time when some veteran players are going to be buzzing about these tough young players popping up in the poker world.
Rick and "student" were gracious and fun as ever. Rick is teaching her expertly, but I have a feeling he's learning a thing or two from her about how to have fun at the game.
John,
I'm sorry I couldn't stay also. The Commerce was my fourth cardroom stop of the day, having played some 4-8 Hold'em at Hawaiian Gardens while waiting to collect on a long overdue debt. I then spent 4 hours at the Normandie in the 15-30 lowball before running over to Crystal Park and playing the NL Hold'em tournament. By the time I got to where you guys were, I was a tired old man. I did perk up a little when small caps scott mentioned he might like to try a little small ring game NL Hold'em action, but nothing much came of it.
It is exciting when you see that the best and the brightest are being attracted to our game. The "Young Turks" certainly qualify in that regard. I figured that if I could get scott involved in some NL ring game action he would be "hooked" like I am and then we'd have an elequent voice on the forums to advocate big bet poker.
Send me an email the next time you are heading up our way and we'll hook up for dinner. I hope that 50-100 worked out well for you.
it wasn't that late old man. i definitely would have lost some money at nl if it would have kept you going through dinner.
actually, when my high school game gets back together we usually play a couple rounds nl. i want to learn big bet poker. it's fun and will probably be more so when i cease to completely suck at it.
scott
Big John -- The 50-100 did go well. The Nebiolo jinx was broken. I'm expecting to make it up to L.A. pretty regularly this year. So I'll certainly be in touch. I'm guessing that as time goes by you'll see scott in some NL games as well as every other structure and game type you can shake a stick at. I might even dip my toe in it if the blinds were small enough that I wouldn't be setting too much money on fire. (TM Badger) (I'm still fuming over a tiny pot-limit game I played with friends some time ago. Twice I got myself and another guy pretty much all in by the flop holding KK. Both times he drew out. It was like a rack of chips each time. I need a fresh start. :-/)
so are big john and rick (and rick's student is quite a cool woman), but the point of this post is mr john feeney.
everyone in jimbo's and ted's dorm thought we were being abducted by a pedophile when we drove off in a car with someone we met on the internet. someone almost called the cops. the people at this school are paranoid and juvenile. one stupid thing they do is dump water on people's heads who break rules during dinner. like getting out of your seat or throwing food. i hadn't seen someone throw food in 10 years. apparently the people here don't meet strangers at bars. i mean really, what were the odds you were a lunatic? i am a gambling man and i liked my odds.
fortunately for everyone involved, you were not a pedophile. or if you were, you managed to restrain yourself. for that, i thank you.
when i'm here this summer, i'll come down to san diego for a while. we'll have a car and everything.
scott
Well, when you tell them it's a guy from a gambling site on the internet, and he's driving you to a huge gambling den... Whew! Glad no one turned me in.
You've now played on both coasts, Scott, in your first two shots at cardroom poker. That says something. I'm not sure what -- but definitely something. Anyway, the summer sounds good. See you later, guys..
scott,
I'm confused. "They" dump water on you if you get out of your seat during dinner? Who is "they"? Do they have waiters at these fancy schools? Food police? Super skinny blond chicks with tatoos who think they are doing you a big favor by cleaning the counter in front of you when a stupid hamburger costs $5?
BTW, the odds against John Feeney being a lunatic based on his writing was 4.1 to one against. The average pro poker player would be a 2 to 1 favorite to be a lunatic. That means that John Feeney is 8.2 times less likely to be a lunatic as the average pro poker player. Correct me if I'm wrong on the math but please be warned that I am a lunatic and know it. Lunatics do not like being corrected.
Regards,
Rick
Yes, there are food police here. They are generally referred to as "waiters", but they're really instruments of a totalitarian food service regime. Anyhow, the convenience of having someone serve you your food is well worth adhering to a few simple rules (or am I showing my communist tendencies again).
Come to Caltech sometime and you can see for yourself - guests don't get wet, their hosts do for any rules they break. Don't take Scott's word for it, see for yourself how crappy this school really is. The only upside is the easy money in the .50-1 poker game, but now that we've discovered casino poker, I'm not quite sure what this school is good for anymore.
x
no, i am flying home tonight. but i will probably be able to get up there this summer.
scott
After sitting down at the 2-4 table and realizing how easy it was going to be to walk away with over 50 dollars, I had a hard time pulling myself away to watch some of the old timers in action. I was hoping to see some of the action at your super high limit game, but as I said, I was not about to get up when people insisted on throwing money at me. We will have to do this again, maybe next time we'll swing by San Diego, so we can catch you on your own turf.
-james H.
James,
You wrote: "I was not about to get up when people insisted on throwing money at me."
What were you doing? Lap dances? Don't come to Hollywood Park or I will definitely have to call security for this sort of behavior. I guess they are pretty damn lax at the Commerce.
Regards,
Rick
P.S. If you can get away with lap dances, you should sit in with those rich old ladies who play pan. I hear they tip real well. You could make more big bets per hour than Rounder.
John,
Actually the hand between my student and I went a bit differently. I was in the BB with Jd Td and she limped UTG and four other players called. The flop came 8h 7h 3d. I was thinking of betting at this with my two overcards and inside straight draw (the hand had several people capable of folding). As I was thinking, she was already reaching for her chips so I checked, she bet, two called and then I called with my inside straight draw, overcards, and back door flush. I really need to work with her to elininate the bad habit of reaching for chips too soon.
Anyway the turn came an offsuit nine. This is my dream card but I already planed in advance to checkraise if I saw that she would reach for her chips. She did so I was able to trap one player for a turn bet before she and I put in three raises head up. I was pretty sure she had a set. The river paired the eight and she lept out of her seat as she bet. I just called and showed the table my cards so all would know we had legit hands.
We never softplay one another and winning each others chips somehow is a little sweeter than winning ordinary chips. Usually after a while one of us takes a table change anyway. We don't need each other in our games.
Regards,
Rick
Rick,
I stand corrected on the particulars of the hand. While you were telling me about it, I was probably a little bit distracted by watching how adroitly your student was collecting and stacking those newly won chips. I did notice that it didn't take you very long to reacquire those lost stacks once you made that table change and no longer had to contend with your aggressive student on your left. (I wonder how much of her improved results at poker comes from having great position on the best player at her table?);<)
If you teach as well as you play, I see a whole new career ahead of you.
Hi Big John,
It was nice seeing you again. The last time I met you and Rounder at Crystal Park, I did not have a chance to stand up from the game I was playing as I thought we would have a chance to catch up at the bar. Last Saturday, I was able to come and stand up close to you and I can't believe how tall you are. I was already in my most spiked high heels so I can at least look at you eye to eye but I could not even come close.
Thanks for complimenting me on my play and also the time I played at CP, I strive to do my best all the time but as Rick pointed out, I still have a lot of tells which I intend to correct as it's costing me some of my winnings.
It was nice meeting the 2+2'ers at the Commerce Casino. This was my second time to meet John Feeney and I told him how his articles/essays and his posts have helped me a lot in my game strategy. (By the way, I have learned a lot from all your posts also and from the other posters of the forum and from all the poker books I have read.) However, most of my poker knowledge is credited to Rick who is really the best when it comes to teaching. He will not stop pinpointing my mistakes until he knows for sure that I finally got it and I won't do it again.
After our poker session, John Feeney, small caps scott, James H., TJ, Rick and myself had a midnight snack/dinner/cocktails at the California Grill and I had a chance to talk to everyone who are as enthusiatic as me when it comes to poker. All of us had a great time and the following day, the troop with the exception of John Feeney went to play at Hollywood Park. We all played separate games but I think everyone went home a winner that night.
I hope to meet a lot of the 2+2'ers in the future. My first time I met you and Rounder, I did not even consider you two as strangers, we had so much to talk about, (thanks to the forum), it seemed like I've known you both for a long time. The forum brings down the barrier. This happened again the first time I met John Feeney and also when I met small caps scott, James H. and TJ. It really is a pleasure!
Wait till you meet ol' Izmet Smoothtalker Fekali!
I'm coming over soon.
BTW, please say hello to Mrs. Grace Rosenfeldt at the Crystal Park (she's a poker host/prop there), if you have a chance.
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Hi Izmet,
Rick and I will be looking forward to seeing you. It will be a pleasure meeting one of my favorite posters. Who knows, maybe a lot of the 2+2ers will also have the chance to meet with you and us when you are in town. Just keep us posted.
We will say hi to Grace Rosenfeldt for you if we have a chance to go to CP.
I know I'd try to make it. I'd love to meet the Slovenian jammer.
John,
"Student" just left. We were talking about how great it would be someday to have a big group of posters all sitting around a table and having drinks and stuff. Maybe even Abdul, Mason, Gary Carson and Badger would show up along with Mr. Sklansky himself. That would be an interesting mix. The main problem would be setting it up so that only one person would be allowed to talk at the same time and this may be some sort of mathematical impossibly.
Regards,
Rick
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Big John,
She has so much poker potential it drives me crazy when she makes a fundamental mistake regarding the way she puts out her bets. That is why I wrote that post above. Of course both of us know that even veteran players make this mistake. Anyway, I think I was a little hard on her in my post as she played the hand very well. And yes, having a tough tricky player like her on my left is a nightmare. I didn't have much chance to win money until I changed tables.
Because she is so attractive and ladylike people may underestimate her intelligence. She was in college at fifteen! She can respond to an email on some poker problem I send her with a full page of analysis and she can write it in about five minutes. She doesn't even use nor need a spell checker. Her concentration and focus is fantastic at the table. If she wants to, she can easily join those players' Abdul talks about in his deleted articles. I think she has a better shot and beating 40/80 or bigger holdem then I do if she works hard. But then again, she has a fantastic career as an executive. Few poker players at any limit do as well as she does. So she will probably keep playing poker as a part time thing. This is why she doesn't want her name mentioned on the forum. Big companies still frown on top employees playing in card clubs. Too bad, because she is the classiest player at the table I have ever seen. She has world class manners and is a world class person. But I'll still try to win her chips as she will try to win mine :-).
Regards,
Rick
P.S. I can't see taking on any more students. Anyone else would be a let down.
i enjoyed meeting you too. you are in fact as large as the lengends led me to believe. it was a great experience. last summer, the government paid me about 11 dollars an hour to do math research. i have a standing offer for this summer. but apparently caltech can beat that and i can play poker for 8 hours a day. it is looking very likely that i will spend this comming summer in la. so i am looking forward to that low limit nl game.
scott
Hi scott,
It was a pleasure meeting you and James H. and TJ. Hope you had fun and always remember the goodies at the Korean restaurant. Wasn't that something else? Your visit was too short but when you come back to visit California this summer, let's get together again, you and James H and TJ and the rest of your friends.
Hi scott,
It was a pleasure meeting you and James H. and TJ. Hope you had fun and always remember the goodies at the Korean restaurant. Wasn't that something else? Your visit was too short but when you come back to visit California this summer, let's get together again, you and James H and TJ and the rest of your friends.
It was most certainly a pleasure meeting some of the poker greats of 2+2. Although some of you were burdened with responsiblities like a family etc, you all managed to retain some of the spirit of college students just out to have a good time at all costs. You make your living, or a substantial portion thereof, playing a game. You guys rule.
I found the casino a great place for an 18-year-old to be. While they claim that people of our age are not allowed into these places, I found out otherwise shortly after I met Big John.
I was sitting at a 2-4 Hold'em table and a new dealer sat down. While he was dealing his second hand, he asked me, "Did you get carded coming in?" I, being an honest individual, responded, "No." He told me, "You look so 17." "16 probably," another player quipped. I checked my cards and smiled. He continued dealing.
The casino is great.
with Big John saying he is posting less for awhile and that crazy Paul Feeney (PH) preoccupied over on the sports forum stuff and Vince has become y2k neutralized it seems so nice around the forums. what a wonderful life.
now if we can do something with all the animals that hang around (badger, worm, hamster,ratso) that drive me nuts.
Shoot em, clean em, cook em, eat em and mount em. Unless you only want to hold em.
Ray,
Is that something you do every Millenium or are you just getting itchy for some of my Bro's money on the Left Coast.
Good Luck
Pheeney, Faul
Ray,
While I am staying away from posting to the forums directly relating to poker theory and strategy, I see no harm in my posting to the exchange forum. I think it is better to confine chit chat and off-topic postings to an area where "serious" participants won't be frustrated from having to wade through posts of no interest to them.
I have been giving your poor Mexican Stud Braceros a little break since right before Christmas after posting large back-to-back wins against them. I decided to play 50 hours of 15-30 and 25 hours of 30-60 to make sure that my bread and butter lowball skills don't deteriorate or atrophy. I don't want to wind up as one of those sad figures whose skills become so eroded from disuse that they have to hide out in some lean-to up in the northern wastelands, surviving on berries and roots and royalties, hoping to stumble across a dead elk, bear or opossum to liven up a winter's stew.
I often wondered what you did up in Montana to turn an honest dollar in your semi-retirement until I read your advertisement so cleverly hidden in the subject header. BTW, do you do windows?
aint no possums in montana
anymore. they've all become stew.
scott
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I am a 10-20 or 15-30 holdem player and wonder if any casinos in Tunica Mississippi ( or any place other than California or Las Vegas for that matter) have games with those limits.
I would like to travel to other places in the country and play...so any information would be helpful. Thanks.
LAM
10&20 is played in most areas with public casinos. in fact its played all over the world. find a place you want to go and give the casino a call and ask.
Tunica has great games at the Horseshoe just for what you are looking for. They spread several $10-20, 15-30, 20-40 and higher games every day.
Call 1-800-303-7463 for more information. Kenny Lambert is the poker room manager, Jim Presley is his assistant and Anita Estep handles the room reservations.
Come to SARGE and try it out or come down any weekend for great games and super people. One of my favorite spots.
Diane from Green Bay
There is a lengthy thread on RGP regarding Womens events at the WSOP and other events. Basic arguement is since there is nothing physical about poker why have the womens events.
The discussion has branched off to arguements about woman not doing very well in the Big one seems Barbara Enright is the only lady to make the final table since it's inception.
I can see why women are not making it to the hights as men - I put it down to emotion, aggression and testosterone but I'm just an old MCP.
There are any number of great women poker players but the question remains do they deserve to have their "OWN" tournaments I think it degrades their abilities - it is 2000 - maybe it is time to do away with women only tournaments.
Comments.
lets face it, (all) human cultures like to have (gender) segregated social events. since it is 2000, lets just accept that. (and if it does degrade their skills, well, so much the better.)
brad
MCP,
Do a Title IX for TNMTS like the wizards did in MA, so as to eliminate meaningless MEN sports like GOLF, LACROSSE, HOCKEY, FOOTBALL, ETC. I enjoy woman's sports probably as much as anyone, but to sacrifice MEN'S sports to make things equal IFR.
MCP with a TWIST
I have always maintained that women should have their own cardrooms. Would you like to invest?
Yes I agree and let me buy the first couch with straps.
You are right that there is no physical reason to have separate events for women. The decision, however, is not based on physical considerations but marketing; and, within common sense constraints, I believe businesses should have the right to market their products or services as they see fit. If I don't like what they are doing, I have the right not to patronize them, to complain, etc.
On a related note, why are there seperate shooting and archery events for men and women?
Considering that success at poker depends directly on how dispassionate, coldly calculating, and bloodthirsty one can be over a period of time, I strongly disapprove of women and men playing together in the same poker tournament events. We guys would never have a prayer!!! (Parenthetically---I DO love the enchanting way the little dears giggle when they make threes full of deuces on the river to beat my Ace-high flush.)
Rounder,
If you ever get to a final table, short handed with Barbara Enright, you'll never again argue that emotion, aggression and testosterone were legitimate factors in that men vs. woman outcome. Barbara will have the biggest set of "balls" at that table, I guarantee it! She is a super aggressive player shorthanded, and would put you to the test.
No arguement from me here John. She was at the Sr's and liked to play 45s like the nuts. Just wondering why they still have gals events at tournaments.
Well, I guess it is time for Diane to respond.
I don't want or need Ladies only events. There was a time and place for them when it was still necessary to have an easy way for women to break into the game. but that is no longer the case.
We can hold our own with you fellows. Barbara, Susie, Kathy L, Kathy K, Linda J etc and many others have shown that we can compete on equal footing and in WSOP open events.
The Ladies event at WSOP has been a tradition for years, but it has outlived it's need and should be eliminated.
Diane from Green Bay
anyone know where/when some especially weak games are in the phoenix area. i usually play at casino arizona in the late afternoon, 10-20.
just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on day of week or time of day or different place to play.
brad, (posting from work to kill time)
Brad,
I think the Casino Az. 10-20 is one of the worst in the area. Of course there is always Gila river and Ft Mcdowell. The 20-40 ato Casino Arizona is very loose compared to the 10-20 and they are spreading 15-30 too.
ja, 10-20 is pretty tough and tight, but i cant really play any higher because of bankroll limitations.
thanks
brad
Brad - have you tryed the 4-8 6-1
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